Chelsea and Layton unpack the discipline of being fully present in the recovery journey from porn. The conversation analyzes the roadblocks created by unhealthy focus on our past mistakes or future anxieties. Personal stories and Biblical text are used to give real-life applications throughout the discussion.

Molly Bertles shares her journey of overcoming personal struggles with masturbation and shame, and how she found freedom through biblical counseling. She discusses the challenges women face in addressing sexual sin, the importance of community and openness, and the role of social media in shaping perceptions of sexuality. Molly emphasizes the need for understanding God's design for sex and the power of sharing one's story to help others find healing and hope.

You Are Not Alone by Molly Bertles

Transforming Love Course (Harvest USA)

Chelsea and Layton have one of their most nuanced conversations yet — tackling a question that many couples quietly wrestle with:

"Is it okay to replace pornography with images or videos of my spouse?"

This episode dives deep into the gray areas of sexuality, desire, and healing — exploring where connection becomes consumption, and how couples can pursue intimacy that's rooted in love, honesty, and holiness.

Chelsea and Layton share openly from their own journey through betrayal, healing, and rebuilding trust. Together, they unpack:

• The difference between lust and desire — and why motive matters

• How shame, rationalization, and avoidance can quietly sabotage intimacy

• Why true connection costs something — and how pictures and videos can bypass that cost

• The role of the Holy Spirit and discernment in navigating complex sexual questions

• What it looks like to pursue peace, wisdom, and mutual trust in your marriage

Have you ever felt like your spouse or partner couldn't possibly understand the damage that porn has created in your life?

In Episode 109, Chelsea and Layton sit down to unpack the wounds and struggles that have been some of their greatest sources of frustration. Through sharing their individual experiences as a porn consumer and a betrayed spouse, they offer insights that helped them heal and work together towards true empathy and compassion.

Chelsea and Layton explore the story of Jesus and the woman at the well, discussing themes of sexual brokenness, personal transformation, and the healing power of faith. They emphasize how Jesus meets individuals in their struggles, offering them hope and a new identity through His grace. The conversation highlights the significance of living water as a metaphor for true satisfaction and fulfillment, contrasting it with the emptiness of addiction and sin.

Ellen Dykas is Harvest USA's Director of Equipping for Ministry to Women. She's authored several mini-books, a women's curriculum, a devotional, and, most recently, Jesus and Your Unwanted Journey: Wives Finding Comfort After Sexual Betrayal. She joins Liberator to discuss the challenges and trends in women's ministry, particularly focusing on sexual sin and the impact of betrayal in marriages. The conversation highlights the growing awareness of women's sexual struggles and the opportunity for churches to provide resources and support for healing.

HarvestUSA.org

Jesus and Your Unwanted Journey: Wives Finding Comfort After Sexual Betrayal

Hope In Your Heartbreak-6 Session Video Discipleship Resource

Chelsea and Layton discuss the importance of taking your partner's pain seriously and the role of validation in relationships. They explore how emotional responses can impact communication and the significance of mirroring feelings to foster understanding. The conversation emphasizes proactive steps to support partners, the importance of love languages in healing, and the need for compassionate communication.

Chelsea and Layton discuss the complexities of addressing root problems related to pornography and emotional struggles. They cover the importance of self-analysis, inviting God into the healing process, and the role of community and mentorship in personal growth. The conversation emphasizes the need for honesty and commitment to change, providing practical steps for listeners to embark on their own journeys of healing and freedom.

Chelsea and Layton discuss their relationship mantra, "Have fun together!" They emphasize the importance of taking breaks from grief, being intentional about building intimacy, and rediscovering joy in everyday moments. The phrase has been especially helpful while navigating challenges in betrayal and addiction. Practical steps are provided for couples to reconnect and have fun, highlighting the significance of shared experiences and the need for both partners to feel valued and pursued.

Lisa Whittle joines the show to explore the complex issues surrounding body image, self-worth, and the impact of cultural narratives on personal identity. Together we discuss the challenges women face regarding body image, the influence of pornography, and the importance of understanding one's worth through a biblical lens. Lisa is the best selling author of multiple books and Bible studies, including Jesus Over Everything and her latest, Body and Soul. She is the founder of several online communities, a seasoned book and ministry coach, and host of the popular Jesus Over Everything podcast.

LisaWhittle.com

Body and Soul: A Biblical Look at the Whole Person God Created You to Be