Lewis Ludlam is the latest player to sit down with England Rugby Podcast: O2 Inside Line as season four continues and the Northampton Saints flanker talks about his musical past, including the instruments he taught himself to play and being in school productions, his intriguing family ties and how he nearly ended up on an episode of Bargain Hunt.

The forward also talks about the struggles he had at club to becoming an England international, how he got himself into painting and how he repaid a particular primary school teacher with match tickets for his England debut. You'll also hear from second row George Kruis has he talks about his dream dinner with the guests, food and ambience.

The pod has returned for an extended weekly run over the next few months covering the rest of England's matches and will be speaking to players who are out in Japan.

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