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Viv Read of Complexability joins us from Brisbane, Australia! We talk about complexity, sensemaking, and co-creating value for clients and customers – even in times of crisis and upheaval!

Viv has extensive experience as a manager and consultant in systems change, stakeholder engagement, culture change, and strategy and innovation. Building on expertise developed in major workplace reform projects for organizations such as Lend Lease, Carlton United Breweries, Department of Employment.

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

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