David and Curtis talk to Dr. Derwin Gray about his career path from college football to the NFL to seminary and, ultimately, to the founder and pastor of Transformation church, a multi-ethnic congregation in South Carolina. Dr. Gray talks about his new book, How to Heal Our Racial Divide and David and Curtis ask him about political and racial tensions in church, critical race theory, and how he proposes reaching a church that's polarized on political and racial grounds.

Show Notes:

-How to Heal Our Racial Divide by Derwin Gray

-Desert News: "Leaning on Jesus to heal America's racial divide"

-Follow Derwin Gray on Twitter

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