Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg joined The Verge’s deputy editor Alex Heath for an in-depth conversation about the company’s new high-end, mixed reality headset, the $1,499 Quest Pro, and why he isn’t backing down from building the metaverse. Zuckerberg and Heath also talked about the future of social media, why he enjoys “being doubted,” and the growing concerns about TikTok’s Chinese ownership.

Links:
The Meta Quest Pro is a cutting-edge headset looking for an audience
Xbox Cloud Gaming is coming to the Meta Quest
​​Apple’s mixed reality headset will reportedly come with an M2 chip
We finally got our hands and eyes on the PlayStation VR2
Apple’s app tracking policy reportedly cost social media platforms nearly $10 billion 
Mark Zuckerberg took on China in a speech defending free expression
Why BeReal is breaking out
Elon Musk is buying Twitter, probably?

Transcript:
https://www.theverge.com/e/23161228

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Today’s episode was produced by Creighton DeSimone, Vjeran Pavic, and Jackie McDermott and it was edited by Callie Wright.
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Mark Zuckerberg on the Quest Pro, future of the metaverse, and more

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Last week, TikTok filed a lawsuit against the US government claiming the divest-or-ban law is unconstitutional — a case it needs to win in order to keep operating under Bytedance’s ownership. There’s a lot of back and forth between the facts and the law here: Some of the legal claims are complex and sit in tension with a long history of prior attempts to regulate speech and the internet, while the simple facts of what TikTok has already promised to do around the world contradict some its arguments. Verge editors Sarah Jeong and Alex Heath join me to explain what it all means.

Links: 


TikTok and Bytedance v Merrick Garland (PDF)

TikTok sues the US government over ban | The Verge

Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden’s desk | The Verge

The legal challenges that lie ahead for TikTok — in both the US and China | The Verge


Why the TikTok ban won’t solve the US’s online privacy problems. | Decoder 

Biden signs TikTok ‘ban’ bill into law, starting the clock for ByteDance to divest it | The Verge


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Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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TikTok's big bet to fight the ban bill

Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen has been at the top of my list of people I’ve wanted to talk to for the show since we first launched — he’s led Adobe for nearly 17 years now, but he doesn’t do too many wide-ranging interviews. I’ve always thought Adobe was an underappreciated company — its tools sit at the center of nearly every major creative workflow you can think of — and with generative AI poised to change the very nature of creative software, it seemed particularly important to talk with Shantanu now.

Adobe sits right at the center of the whole web of tensions, especially as the company has evolved its business and business model over time. And now, AI really changes what it means to make and distribute creative work. Not many people are seeing revenue returns on it just yet and there are the fundamental philosophical challenges of adding AI to photo and video tools. What does it mean when a company like Adobe, which makes the tools so many people use to make their art, sees the creative process as a step in a marketing chain, instead of a goal in and of itself?

Links: 


How Adobe is managing the AI copyright dilemma, with general counsel Dana Rao 


Adobe Launches Creative Cloud (2012)


What was Photoshop like in 1994? 

Photoshop’s Generative Fill tool turns vacation photos into nightmares - The Verge

New York Daily News, Chicago Tribune, and others sue OpenAI and Microsoft - The Verge

The FAIR Act: A New Right to Protect Artists in the Age of AI | Adobe Blog

Adobe’s Firefly generative AI tools are now generally available - The Verge

This Wacom AI debacle has certainly taken a turn. - The Verge


Transcript: 
https://www.theverge.com/e/23917997

Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Why Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen is confident we'll all adapt to AI

Today, we’re going to talk about the smart home — one of the oldest, most important, and most challenging dreams in the history of the tech industry. The idea of your house responding to you and your family, and generally being as automated and as smart as your phone or your laptop, has inspired generations of technologists. But after decades of promises, it’s all still pretty messy. Because the big problem with the smart home has been blindingly obvious for a very long time: interoperability. 

Yet there are some promising developments out there that might make it a little better. To help sort it all out, I invited Verge smart home reviewer Jen Tuohy, who is one of the most influential reporters on the smart home beat today. Jen and I break down how Matter, the open source standard, is trying to fix these issues, but there is still a lot of work to do. 

Links: 

Matter is now racing ahead, but the platforms are holding it back — The Verge


2023 in the smart home: Matter’s broken promises — The Verge


Smart home hubs: what they are and why you need one — The Verge


My smart kitchen: the good, the bad, and the future — The Verge


How bad business broke the smart home — The Verge


The smart home is finally getting out of your phone and into your home — The Verge



Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. 

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Why the tech industry can’t crack the smart home

Today, I’m talking with Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath, whom I first interviewed on the show back in 2021. Those were heady days — especially for upstart EV companies like Polestar, which all seemed poised to capture what felt like infinite demand for electric cars. Now, in 2024, the market looks a lot different, and so does Polestar, which is no longer majority-owned by Volvo. Instead, Volvo is now a more independent sister company, and both Volvo and Polestar fall under Chinese parent company Geely. 

You know I love a structure shuffle, so Thomas and I really got into it: what does it mean for Volvo to have stepped back, and how much can Polestar take from Geely’s various platforms while still remaining distinct from the other brands in the portfolio? We also talked about the upcoming Polestar 3 SUV and Polestar 4 crossover, and I asked Thomas what he thinks of the Cybertruck.

Links: 

Can Polestar design a new kind of car company? — Decoder


The Polestar 3 isn’t out yet, and it’s already getting a big price cut — The Verge


The Polestar 4 gets an official price ahead of its debut — The Verge


Polestar makes the rear window obsolete with its new crossover coupe — The Verge


Volvo and Polestar drift a little farther apart — The Verge


Polestar gets a nearly $1 billion lifeline — The Verge


Car-tech breakup fever is heating up — The Verge


Polestar is working on its own smartphone to sync with its EVs — The Verge


Polestar’s electric future looks high-performing, and promising — The Verge


Electric car maker Polestar to cut around 450 jobs globally — Reuters




Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23912151

Credits: 
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath on life after Volvo and weathering the EV slowdown

Today, Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins and I are going to try and figure out Tesla. I said try — I did not say succeed. But we’re going to try. That’s because Tesla has been on a real rollercoaster these past two weeks, in terms of its stock price, its basic financials, and well, its vibes.

If you’ve been following the company, you know that that gap between what the business is and how its valued has been getting bigger and bigger for years now – and lately, with Elon Musk saying he’s going all-in on autonomy and announcing a robotaxi event in August, it seems like we’re getting closer to a make or break moment, especially as competition in the broader EV market heats up. 

Links:

Tesla reaches deals in China on self-driving cars — NYT


Elon Musk goes ‘absolutely hard core’ in another round of Tesla layoffs — The Verge


Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to dozens of deaths — The Verge


Elon Musk says Tesla will reveal its robotaxi on August 8th — The Verge


A cheaper Tesla is back on the menu — The Verge


Tesla’s profits sink as the company struggles with cooling demand — The Verge


Tesla lays off ‘more than 10 percent’ of its workforce, loses top executives — The Verge


Tesla recalls all 3,878 Cybertrucks over faulty accelerator pedal — The Verge


Elon Musk says it’s “time to reorganize” Tesla — The Verge


Elon Musk lost Democrats on Tesla when he needed them most — WSJ



Credits: 
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Mark Zuckerberg on the Quest Pro, future of the metaverse, and more

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