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Explore the complex and fascinating intersection of AI and human cognition with our special guest, Natalie Monbiot. Discover how John Boyd's groundbreaking concepts like the OODA Loop can help us navigate the rapidly expanding AI landscape. We'll dissect the risks of excessively relying on AI for decision-making, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach where AI serves as a catalyst for human innovation, not a substitute for human creativity and thought.
Join us as we venture into the ethical and governance challenges posed by AI avatars and AI twins in the corporate world. Natalie shares compelling insights on maintaining transparency, accountability, and control in AI applications, offering a roadmap to responsibly harness AI's potential. We also touch on how AI can redefine customer experience, creating new value while preserving the essential human touch in service delivery and decision-making.
Finally, we ponder the evolutionary implications of AI on society and employment, drawing parallels with current legislative efforts to safeguard human interests. From intellectual property issues in the age of AI to exploring the boundaries of AI consciousness, this episode challenges traditional notions and highlights the importance of a human-centered perspective in AI development. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that aims to ensure a future where AI and humanity not only coexist but thrive in harmony.
John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words:
“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”
March 25, 2025
Flow Learning Lab
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Explore the complex and fascinating intersection of AI and human cognition with our special guest, Natalie Monbiot. Discover how John Boyd's groundbreaking concepts like the OODA Loop can help us navigate the rapidly expanding AI landscape. We'll dissect the risks of excessively relying on AI for decision-making, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach where AI serves as a catalyst for human innovation, not a substitute for human creativity and thought.
Join us as we venture into the ethical and governance challenges posed by AI avatars and AI twins in the corporate world. Natalie shares compelling insights on maintaining transparency, accountability, and control in AI applications, offering a roadmap to responsibly harness AI's potential. We also touch on how AI can redefine customer experience, creating new value while preserving the essential human touch in service delivery and decision-making.
Finally, we ponder the evolutionary implications of AI on society and employment, drawing parallels with current legislative efforts to safeguard human interests. From intellectual property issues in the age of AI to exploring the boundaries of AI consciousness, this episode challenges traditional notions and highlights the importance of a human-centered perspective in AI development. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that aims to ensure a future where AI and humanity not only coexist but thrive in harmony.
John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words:
“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”
March 25, 2025
Flow Learning Lab
Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast
Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation
Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:
https://www.aglx.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsulting
https://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandrivera
https://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccrone
Stay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.
Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch:
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