It’s a double-guest extravaganza as The Ringer senior staff writer Kevin O’Connor joins Dave and Chris to talk about Nikola Jokic’s recent NBA championship win, and how to identify talent. Later, writer (and Chris’s first boss out of college!) Andrew Leland joins the pod to talk about his experience with retinitis pigmentosa and common misconceptions about blind people.

Host: Dave Chang and Chris Ying

Guest: Kevin O'Connor and Andrew Leland

Producer: Victoria Valencia, Cory McConnell, Gabi Marler, Euno Lee

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