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Thomas Umstattd Jr.: So in this episode, as you’ve probably figured out, we’re going to be talking to Kevin Kaiser. And for those of you who don’t know who Kevin is, Kevin is a marketing guru, one of the guys I respect the most in terms of what he has done marketing wise for Ted Dekker. Some of you know who Ted Dekker is. Kevin has been Ted’s Brand Manager and Marketing Manager for the past eight years.
I first met Kevin back in 2010 at Thriller Fest and of course two marketing guys getting together. We started talking, and it was one of those immediate friendships where you just go, “OK, I like this guy. He’s bright. We’re going to be friends for a long time.” And we have become great friends.
So Kevin, welcome to the Novel Marketing Podcast.
Kevin Kaiser: Well, thanks for having me guys. This is going to be a lot of fun. There’s no telling what kind of havoc we’re going to wreck.
Thomas: The interweaves will be broken by the time it’s this episode is done.
Kevin: It will. They’ll be burning up.
Thomas: This episode may void the warranty of your Android phone.
James Rubart: So Kevin, if you don’t mind, let’s just dive right in. You’ve had a career in marketing fiction and in creating brands, and you’ve done it extremely successfully which is not a claim a lot of marketing people can make. So talk to us about what you’ve done differently.
Kevin: Yeah. Well, I think in hindsight, I don’t know what I’ve done differently. You use the G word. You used the guru word.
Thomas: I’m sorry. I’m sorry.
Kevin: It’s OK. I definitely would not call myself a guru. I would consider myself somebody who just kind of experiment and figure things out.
James: So you experiment with best-selling author brands on high stakes.
Kevin: And more importantly, with other people’s money. That’s the key. I’ve had the great opportunity to work with some high level talent, some best-selling authors. And I really – it’s a weird story of how I ended up doing it. I could not have planned out my career the way it has worked out. But it has put me in places where I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I wasn’t from inside publishing, and so I didn’t know what rules were. I didn’t know what was impossible.
And that turned out to be maybe my greatest strength so I could try a lot of different things and experiment and do it with people who had an audience because having an audience, starting with an audience kind of covers a multitude of sense because you know you’re going to have a certain number of people that are going to come anyway. And so, you just want to enable them and empower them as much as you can. That’s a different ballgame and starting from zero.
Thomas: That’s a great point. I haven’t thought about that because you had a chance probably to look at and say, “All right. This one worked. This one didn’t. We could have made this one better by doing this,” as you went along.
Kevin: Yeah, exactly. And honestly, when it comes to the marketplace, I mean things have changed in the past couple of years but I went into it when you could still at least somewhat buy eyeballs and buy attention. If you can get a book on a shelf, if you could have really good relationships with retailers or if you had a forum or an email list, you could effectively reach people even if you are on Facebook like in 2008, 2009, you could reach people without having to pay for it.