A combustible exchange that Jonathan has described as one of his immediate favorite conversations with anybody on or off a podcast, there is so much heat on this one it almost feels like it needs a warning label! Speaking openly about the false prophets of our time during this "revelation of the real," but also the ways in which all of us are having to grapple with our essential human frailty, being forced to acknowledge we have really never been in control of our lives. And yet "the truth shall set you free," and there's nothing but liberation in this fiery conversation between friends!