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0:28 Steven’s years at OpenAI 2:23 An insider's view of the AI boom 11:59 The real meaning of “Feel the AGI” 16:45 AI safety’s rationalist kernel 24:39 What’s really driving the AI arms race(s)? 29:55 Is stifling China’s AI development smart? 44:31 Dario Amodei’s geopolitical naivete 56:34 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Steven Adler (https://stevenadler.substack.com). Recorded May 21, 2025.

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