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Kieran Cavanna, the founder and CIO of Old Farm Partners and former head of external managers at Soros Fund Management joins Other People’s Money to break down his high-conviction approach to thematic investing, explaining why "making the main thing the main thing" is the secret to capturing outsized returns in the public markets. From his time working under legendary macro investor Scott Bessent to his current focus at Old Farm Partners, Kieran shares how he identifies "asymmetric" opportunities where the upside is massive and the downside is protected. If you've ever wondered how the world’s most sophisticated allocators source managers and structure co-investments to beat the market, this is an interview you can't miss.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:17 Soros External Managers

03:36 What Makes Great Managers

07:01 Spotting Skill Vs Luck

08:47 Risk Management

12:37 Geography and Benchmarks

15:21 Style Drift and Communication

18:57 Fees and Multi Strat Debate

22:30 Spinouts and Independence

26:47 Co-Investing in Public Markets

30:06 Allocator Base and Drawdown Focus

31:12 Family Office Allocators

32:13 Private Credit Shift

36:57 Big Launches Small Wins

38:40 AI CapEx Main Event

41:26 Defense Tech Next Theme

42:44 Asymmetry Not Binary

44:51 Cross Sector Blind Spots

49:51 Crowded Trades Unwind

52:58 Macro Themes Bottom Up

57:37 Risks and Hedging

59:42 Thematic Investors Podcast

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In this episode of the OPM podcast, Avery and Co. founder Sean Emory explains why he firmly rejects the stagflation narrative and believes the consumer remains in fine shape. Emory argues that despite the psychological impact of higher gas prices, strong tax refunds and a stable housing market are continuing to support consistent consumer spending. He breaks down how this stable macroeconomic view aligns with his fundamental investment approach, detailing high-conviction bets on consumer-oriented companies like Clear Secure and First Watch. The conversation also explores how Emory leverages these macro insights alongside bottom-up analysis to identify long-term value in technology platforms such as Block, Zoom, and Omnicell.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:26 Avery Investing Style

02:56 Oil Shock Consumer Check

06:27 Housing Inflation Outlook

10:37 K Shaped Economy

13:50 AI, Employment, and Flows

18:06 Pictet AI-Enhanced Equity ETFs

19:41 Using AI for Investment Research

28:12 How AI is Making Trading More Short Term

31:09 Block ($XYZ) Investment Thesis

36:26 Zoom ($ZM) Investment Thesis

43:35 Defining Small Caps

45:57 Omnicell ($OMCL) Investment Thesis

53:42 Zillow ($Z) and Airbnb ($ABNB) Investment Thesis

54:58 Zillow Flywheel Explained

01:02:02 Housing Catalysts

01:04:30 Waiting Out AI Valuations

01:07:31 SpaceX IPO Speculation

01:09:31 Outro

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Max Wiethe sits down with Ben Topor, founder of Titan Capital Partners and author of Decoding the Software Landscape, to unpack the seismic shifts happening in the tech investment world. Topor explains how AI is commoditizing the software application layer and shares why the recent correction in software valuations makes this a prime time to invest. The conversation also delves into the booming secondary market, the structural differences between US and Israeli tech hubs, and how startups can build unbreachable AI-proof moats through distribution and proprietary data. Finally, Topor reveals the strategic tactics founders use to outmaneuver tech giants by moving in silence and misdirecting competitors.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

02:10 Mapping the Software Landscape

03:45 What AI Changes in Software

09:13 AI Led M&A Wave

13:36 Valuations and Timing

15:34 Secondaries Liquidity Thesis

17:33 Pictet AI-Enhanced Equity ETFs

19:08 How Titan Buys Secondaries

21:07 Why Companies Stay Private

23:00 Finding Category Leaders

26:47 Reading Financial Symptoms

28:37 Mispriced Gems or Turnarounds?

31:25 Exit Paths Today

35:17 Investing in Israel

38:16 Cybersecurity Edge

41:08 Too Much Capital

43:38 AI Proof Moats

45:17 What Counts as Data

46:40 Private Credit Risks

50:36 Down Rounds Reframed

53:51 Titan’s Value Add

57:18 Competitive Maneuvering

01:02:37 Conclusion

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Emerging market outperformance is turning investors’ heads and in this episode of Other People’s Money, Robert Koenigsberger, CIO and founder of multi-billion dollar EM alternative asset manager Gramercy, explains why the macro environment has emerging markets looking more developed than some developed markets, particularly in how swiftly their central banks acted to combat inflation. He also explains how passive index investing can do damage to an emerging market portfolio and why the typical EM approach focusing on exposure is all wrong. Koenigsberger also dives into the structural advantages of emerging market private credit over its developed market counterparts, emphasizing the importance of local networks, senior secured collateral, and having a positive influence on corporate governance.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:36 Pictet AI ETFs

01:54 How EM Investing Evolved

02:48 Why EMs Outperformed

04:08 Debt vs Equity Returns

06:09 Policy Convergence EM vs. DM

08:33 Diversifying Beyond Dollar

11:30 EM Private Credit

14:57 Pictet AI ETFs

16:32 Why Borrowers Choose Private

21:06 Defining EM Alpha

25:23 Index Construction Pitfalls

28:57 True Distress and Asymmetry

33:14 China Property Deep Value

35:15 Picking Winners at Five Cents

38:33 Sovereign Timing Checklist

40:07 Sanctions and “Uninvestibility”

43:37 Structuring Downside Control

44:58 Creditor Groups Collaboration

48:55 Restructuring Deal Template

50:23 Warrants Windfalls Risks

53:19 Governance in Private Credit

59:02 Underwriting People Networks

01:02:43 Hedging Without Shorting

01:05:49 Allocator Case for EM Credit

01:08:40 Liquidity Myths and Cycles

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Join Max Wiethe on "Other People's Money" as he sits down with world-renowned performance coach Dr. Gio Valiante. Dr. Valiante has spent decades coaching elite performers, from PGA Tour champions like Jordan Spieth to legendary portfolio managers at Point 72 and Citadel. In this deep-dive podcast, Dr. Valiante pulls back the curtain on the psychology of the world’s most successful investors. He explains that top traders operate with the discipline and optimization of elite athletes—"investor athletes"—who must manage fear, detach from ego, and master their environment.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:42 Pictet ETFs

00:55 Why Pods Took Over

03:04 Culture and Incentives Matter

05:19 Fear in Trading Explained

08:53 Embarrassment and Risk Aversion

12:03 Playing to Win vs Not Lose

13:21 Elite Funds Audit Process

14:34 Regret and Missed Trades

19:21 Pictet AI ETFs

20:56 Detaching from Short Term PnL

22:21 Weekends Recovery for PMs

24:15 Handling Weekend News Cycles

28:41 Regulation Favors Big Platforms

32:30 Spinoffs Vs Bootstrapping

33:29 Bootstrapped Edge

34:33 Leaving Pod Shop Reality

36:05 Situated Cognition Explained

37:55 Culture Sparks Ideas

39:43 Mandates and Opportunity Cost

41:17 Ego Identity and Seat

45:04 Capital Cycles Perspective

48:46 Entitlement Versus Humility

54:39 Performance Hierarchy

57:57 Why Hedge Funds Matter

01:00:18 Masters Picks and Wrap

01:01:54 Pictet AI ETFs

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Nadia Martin Wiggen, Director at Svelland Capital joins Other People’s Money for a timely update on energy and shipping markets in light of the “5-day pause” Truth Social post that sent equity markets ripping higher and oil prices dipping lower. She explains why Svelland Capital believes May is the real timeline for controlling the Strait, how refining margins and refined product hoarding create a persistent bid for oil and gas, and how global energy supply chains have shifted with many ships sailing well outside of typical trade routes in their quest for alternative sources of oil. She also touches on how a protracted crisis would harm Asia, Australia, and emerging markets the most.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:46 Reaction to Trump Announcement and State of the Strait

01:57 Strait Reality Check

05:53 Oil Flows and Bottlenecks

09:32 Asia Scrambles for Supply

12:55 China Refined Export Ban

14:01 Demand Destruction Thresholds

15:05 Military Path to Reopen

17:09 CORN Mid Roll

18:46 New Oil Price Floor

21:28 Broader Market Repricing

25:06 Shipping Rates and Europe Pull

27:33 Export Bans and Hoarding Spiral

30:11 US Refining Edge and Australia

34:37 LNG Shortfall and Europe Risk

41:00 Long Term Diversification

41:33 Trading Signals and Logistics

45:16 Most Vulnerable Products

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In this episode of Other People's Money, Max sits down with Chris Morris, President of LandFund Partners, to explore why they believe U.S. row crop farmland is the ultimate hard asset. Chris details how farmland performed as a portfolio diversifier during the Great Financial Crisis and explains why the relative value compared to other regions and essentially free access to 300-years of groundwater them has focusing on the U.S. Mid-South region. He highlights global water scarcity, food security, and inflation as macro drivers for this farmland, but he also argues that rising values and yields from technological improvements and increased demand for non-farming purposes like solar power are how they have delivered S&P 500 beating net returns since 2021.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:40 Teucrium SOYB

01:00 Investing in Farmland

04:26 Diversification and Correlation

06:07 Real Assets and New Macro Risks

09:13 Scarcity and Water Thesis

10:48 Protein Demand Multiplier

12:45 How Farmland Returns Work

15:00 AI and Renewable Energy

15:41 Teucrium SOYB

17:02 Community Impact and Ethics

20:21 Who Buys Farmland?

22:47 Why the Mid-South

26:33 Valuation Gap Explained

28:25 Water Rights and Water Scarcity

35:06 Solar Leases Beat Crops

39:23 AI Boosts Farm Profits

42:22 Regenerative Farming and the Three Fs

44:35 Iran Conflict Inputs and Crops

48:26 Subsidies and Rent Security

54:02 Fund Focus and Growth Plans

57:30 Conclusion

Maredith Hannon, Head of Business Development at Wisdom Tree Digital, joins Other People’s Money to discuss how tokenized real-world assets are taking off at a pace eerily similar to the early growth of ETFs. Crypto enthusiasts have long touted the potential for fund vehicles to be tokenized and put on chain. That story is quickly becoming a reality with rapid AUM growth and established players like WisdomTree with over $100B in AUM quickly launching funds from money market and equity to alternatives like private credit. Hannon also discuss the additional utility that on chain funds provide and how they are giving access to retail and institutional clients alike with platforms like WisdomTree Prime and WisdomTree Connect.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

00:54 The Rise of Tokenization

02:20 WisdomTree's Tokenized Funds

04:35 Comparing ETFs and Tokenized Funds

10:35 User Experience in Tokenized Assets

20:29 Regulation and Future of Tokenized Funds

25:12 Tokenized Private Credit

26:01 Liquidity and Redemption in Private Credit Funds

28:08 Secondary Market and Peer-to-Peer Transfers

29:34 Transparency and Daily Updates

37:10 Future of KYC and Identity Verification

43:12 Global Expansion and New Use Cases

46:10 Getting Started with WisdomTree Prime

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Steven Novakovic, Managing Director of Educational Programs at CAIA, discusses the monumental shift from strategic asset allocation to the Total Portfolio Approach (TPA), a change recently highlighted by major moves at CalPERS. The conversation explores the evolving landscape of private markets, specifically how secondary markets are providing crucial liquidity and entry points for investors dealing with slowed distributions and the "denominator effect". Novakovic also provides a candid look at the friction between hedge fund fees and beta-heavy returns, arguing that sophisticated limited partners will not pay for beta. As alternative investments become more accessible to retail wealth, he emphasizes the critical need for education regarding evergreen funds and the unique risks of private market liquidity. Finally, the episode looks forward to 2026 educational initiatives at CAIA.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Governance Changes in Pension Plans

00:45 Strategic Asset Allocation vs. Total Portfolio Approach

03:24 Early Adopters and Global Trends in TPA

05:06 Benchmarking and Decision-Making Shifts

09:58 CalPERS Case Study: Governance and Tactical Opportunities

17:32 Impact on Managers and Investment Strategies

22:08 Current Market Trends and Private Credit

25:54 Private Equity Distributions and Secondary Markets

35:32 Reinvesting Portfolio Proceeds

36:39 Understanding Secondary Market Buyers

37:09 Benefits of Secondary Allocations

39:14 Challenges and Strategies in Secondary Markets

45:03 Hedge Funds vs. Equity Markets

46:35 Evaluating Hedge Fund Performance

49:02 Active Management and Fee Structures

56:53 Educating Investors on Alternatives

01:03:00 CAIA's Educational Resources

01:05:44 Upcoming CAIA Programs

In this episode of Other People’s Money, Matt Ober, General Partner at Social Leverage, discusses how the data economy is evolving for providers, vendors, and investors. He explains how AI is reshaping data business models, highlights emerging data sources in what he calls the “degenerate economy,” and argues that many alternative data sets once considered sources of alpha are rapidly becoming commoditized beta.

Matt also shares how Social Leverage uses data to make seed stage venture investments, how its approach differs from that of mega VC firms, and where the firm is currently focused. He reflects on his career path from quantitative hedge funds to venture capital and how the expanding role of data shaped his trajectory in the investment business.

Before joining Social Leverage, Matt was Chief Data Scientist at Third Point, where he built the firm’s data analytics and technology platform supporting investments across equities, structured credit, venture capital, and cryptocurrency. Earlier, he was Head of Data Strategy at WorldQuant and a founding member of WorldQuant Ventures, focused on private investments in fintech, data, and technology.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

01:21 The Business of Data

03:28 Data Pricing and AI Impact

04:36 Challenges for Data Companies

07:31 Emerging Data Sets and Buyers

14:25 Social Leverage's Investment Strategy

17:07 Venture Capital Market Dynamics

21:22 Fund of Funds and Network Value

22:40 Insights on Software and AI

25:54 Beehive vs. Substack

29:46 Hedge Fund Journey and Data Evolution

31:41 The Data-Driven Investment Strategy

32:05 Scaling Up: From Millions to Billions

32:24 Global Data Acquisition

32:49 Building a Data-Driven Ecosystem

33:06 Transition to Third Point

33:43 Integrating Data with Investment Processes

34:34 Challenges and Politics in Hedge Funds

35:49 Evaluating Data Sets and Their Impact

37:43 The Evolution of Data in Investment

38:49 The Role of Data in Hedge Fund Success

43:10 From Hedge Funds to Venture Capital

52:08 The Future of Wealth Management

55:00 The Rise of Prediction Markets

59:35 Conclusion and Final Thoughts