How close did we come to losing our democracy during four years of Trump — and what will it take to strengthen our democratic institutions? In this episode, Hillary speaks with two people who have tackled these questions. First, we hear from writer and journalist Masha Gessen, who reflects on the perils of autocracy and shares a bold idea for how to move forward. 

Then, Hillary catches up with Rashad Robinson, who, as the head of Color of Change, has been on the frontlines of holding elected officials and corporations accountable to Americans. 

Masha Gessen is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of ten books, including Surviving Autocracy, the National Book Award-winning The Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia, and The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin. 

Rashad Robinson has been the president of Color of Change (COC), the nation’s largest online racial justice organization, since 2011. Under Rashad’s leadership, COC has expanded its reach from 1.7 to more than 7 million members. 

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