It was ten years ago today that my wife, Louise and I recorded the first podcast episode of LOA Today. Ten years later, we celebrate that first episode with guest Ivan Zhang. Ivan is the founder of Pennyworks. He is a former portfolio manager for DRW Trading Group in Chicago, which has no customers, clients, investors or third party funds.  This was a fun interview! We ended up exploring some of the challenges involved in starting a business within the context of a broader topic of abundance vs. scarcity. I want to take a moment to thank all of my fans and listeners who have stuck with me all of these years. I look forward to continuing our ongoing conversation with you for the next ten years! Ivan's Pennyworks website:  https://www.pennyworks.com/ Follow the LOA Today podcast: https://www.loatoday.net/follow