What do you do when you report the news and your rights are being debated in the news? Patricia Karvelas is one of Australia's most well known journalists who last came out to a sales assistant who incorrectly assumed she was shopping for her husband. When Patricia started coming out as a young person, people told her she'd be in for a "hard life". But as she's grown up, Patricia has seen Australian society change to become a place where her family is surrounded by a supportive and accepting community, she is comfortable being her full self at work and where marriage equality is legal. In this episode Patricia shares with Sean about dabbling as a butch lesbian (before realising she could be herself and still be a lesbian), coming out around her kids and navigating the 2017 marriage equality postal vote both as a journalist and a queer woman. If this episode brought up any feelings for you or you want more information, these resources may help you: QLife: Call 1800 184 527 for a free phone service every day from 3pm – midnight. Visit their website www.qlife.org.au for a free webchat Minus18: Australia’s LGBTQIA+ charity. Follow them on social @minus18youth or visit their website on www.minus18.org.au for resources, events and training for your school or workplace Lifeline: Call 13 11 14 for 24-hour crisis support If you want to be a part of the Come Out Wherever You Are community, you can follow us on Instagram: @comeoutwhereveryouare @seanszeps @patskarvelasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.