Polite Conversations

In this episode, I reflect on the past year of unbelievable horror… the excuses and legitimizing we’ve seen from the media and our politicians, how deeply entrenched tropes of ‘civilized’ vs ‘barbarian’ are. I also take a closer look at Ta-Nehisi Coates’ recent interview on CBS morning as well as his interview with Jon Stewart.

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Links:

Ta-Nehisi Coates’ recent interview on CBS https://x.com/cbsmornings/status/1840749848703770679?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Coates’ interview with Jon Stewart: https://youtu.be/d0-y0X51Xtw?si=yXmRVqczuKIAq1kx

How Israel's Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html

On centering supporters over victims of this genocide: Rationalizing the Horrors of Israel’s war in Gaza https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/rationalizing-the-horrors-of-israels-war-in-gaza

Widespread, systemic sexual abuse, r*pe and torture of Palestinian detainees:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-29/ty-article/.premium/idf-police-raid-sde-teiman-prison-detain-soldiers-suspected-of-abusing-detainee/00000190-fe2c-d22a-abfe-ff2c10c20000

https://x.com/ha_matar/status/1817885626458337336?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/29/palestinian-prisoners-israel-jails-abuse/

https://jacobin.com/2024/07/israeli-soldiers-accused-of-rape-and-torture-of-palestinians

Right to r*pe rallies break out in Israel: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners

My old Rogan episode where I discussed Jon Stewart a bit: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4JSlLjzkQMDNvy4DlOcmoZ?si=2Khz5EDzSya8aTwyclrJPw

The largest cohort of paediatric amputees in history: https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-children-who-lost-limbs-in-gaza

More women and children were killed in Gaza over the past year than any other conflict over the last two decades: https://time.com/7049499/oct-7-anniversary-israel-hamas-hezbollah-iran-future/

Zionist Columbia professor tweeting that Coates is not above ‘r*ping young women at a music festival’ https://x.com/melnickjeffrey1/status/1845145257593249901?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Additional awful takes about Coates’ criticism of Israel: https://x.com/aymanmsnbc/status/1845293374233846226?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

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This is pt 2 of my conversation with Adi Callai, of the Rev & Reve Youtube channel. Adi grew up in Israel, researches counterinsurgency and military philosophy. He recently put out quite a radical, remarkable, well-researched video titled, ‘The Gaza Ghetto Uprising’.

In this part of the conversation we discuss topics that have largely been downplayed or ignored by western media, like the use of the Hannibal Directive on Oct 7, as well as the silence of many large leftist content creators, the weaponizing of #metoo and feminist discourse. We also talk about the blatantly eliminationist rhetoric on the ‘Two Nice Jewish Boys podcast’.

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Links:

IDF ordered Hannibal Directive on Oct 7 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

Israeli forces accused of killing their own citizens under the 'Hannibal Directive' during October 7 chaos: “The doctrine, written in 1986 in response to the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers in Lebanon, gave permission for Israeli forces to fire on enemies holding their comrades hostage — even at risk to those hostages. Its authors said the directive did not allow captives to be killed, but critics say that over time an interpretation spread through the military that it was better to kill comrades than to allow their capture.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430

Translation of Giora Eiland’s gen ocidal article https://x.com/pixieofdeath/status/1726267178201362438?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Canada suspends ‘some’ arms exports to Israel https://www.democracynow.org/2024/9/11/headlines/canada_suspends_some_arms_export_licenses_to_israel

IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spokesman-says-hamas-cant-be-eliminated-will-remain-in-gaza-if-no-alternative/

Mehdi Hasan vs Benny Morris - Head to Head https://youtu.be/Amz2Sf1JMDE?siXKSqtA1KQrtJFf

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Joining me for this episode is Adi Callai, of the Rev & Reve Youtube channel - With an unusual perspective for someone who grew up in Israel. Adi researches counterinsurgency and military philosophy …& recently put out quite a radical, remarkable, well-researched video titled, ‘The Gaza Ghetto Uprising’.

In this part of the conversation we talk about topics such as; atrocity propaganda, the weaponization of identity for colonial purposes, pinkwashing, Refaat Al-Areer, the inversion of narratives (like Israel accusing Palestinians of using human shields while using human shields themselves). All this and more.

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Links:

The Gaza Ghetto Uprising: https://youtu.be/Pt_1k7nSv1M?si=R0nIvAdNXkQxPBPZ

Antisemitism, Weaponized: https://youtu.be/5MVIh6Rnzog?si=k7A6aJ02r_AKn-22

Hen Mazzig admits he was a paid contractor for the government of Israel:https://forward.com/israel/412206/did-this-pro-israel-superstar-work-as-a-secret-agent-on-college-campuses/

Smotrich self-IDs as a fascist homophobe: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000

NY Times “investigation” of mass r*pe by Hamas falls apart https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-ny-times-investigation-mass-rape-hamas-falls-apart

Israeli media has debunked the ultra-Orthodox group Zaka's gruesome October 7 atrocity stories, but the American press won't do it. https://theintercept.com/2024/02/27/zaka-october-7-israel-hamas-new-york-times/

New York Times Exposé Lacks Evidence to Claim Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence Oct. 7 https://www.democracynow.org/2024/3/1/nyt_anat_schwartz

An investigation into a New York Times story is causing internal chaos at the company https://www.npr.org/2024/03/03/1235606433/an-investigation-into-a-new-york-times-story-is-causing-internal-chaos-at-the-co

The unravelling of the New York Times 'Hamas r*pe' story https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-listening-post/2024/3/2/the-unraveling-of-the-new-york-times-hamas-rape-story

The New York Times pulled a high-profile episode of its podcast “The Daily” about sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 amid a furious internal debate about the strength of it’s original reporting https://theintercept.com/2024/01/28/new-york-times-daily-podcast-camera/

Israeli soldiers are using Palestinian civilians as human shields in Gaza to enter and clear tunnels and buildings they suspect may have been booby-trapped, a leading Israeli NGO and newspaper have reported. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps

Israeli protesters rally for 'the right to r*pe' prisoners https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners

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⚠️ Content Warning: discussion of Israel's assault on Gaza Hey folks, Here’s some of what I’ve been feeling lately. I will need to make some changes.

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My guests for this episode include science ‘influencer’ Mr. @Evopsychgoogle, evolutionary biologist Kevin Bird @thebirdmaniac on Twitter and anthropologist Cathryn Townsend @cathryntownsend

On this part of the panel we discuss the panelists’ recent article in Stat News (linked below), on how this type of junk science continues to be legitimized to this day, despite glaring errors in the data. We discuss self-described ‘scientific racist’ Richard Lynn as well as E.O. Wilson, Steven Pinker, Sam Harris, Charles Murray and their contributions to race ‘science’.

We also talk more broadly about how the Intellectual Dark Web has played a major role in reviving it in recent years.

Links:

The Panelists’ article that we discussed in the beginning of the episode: Journals that published Richard Lynn’s racist ‘research’ articles should retract them https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/20/richard-lynn-racist-research-articles-journals-retractions/

My previous episodes with Mr. @evopsychgoogle: Pt 1 - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jSFhcmT6xNJ4JOwbEkscE?si=JnGZZ36GTNSVYKr0dYz4Fg

Pt 2 - https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gvuP3xLyqKSpJgTjf43A3?si=AenT06jVTuGNc-pd6W4BtA

My Miniseries on Sam Harris ‘Woking Up’ https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1caIpbHnvDjKu0Ph4DA0Nb?si=DxI59yjtRjuDV7rQSv9cEw&pi=u-kmAFEyuTRNiJ

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Other Related articles:

Quinn Slobodian article about the Pioneer Fund and The Bell Curve: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-white-man-unburdened-slobodian-schrader

The Tainted Sources of The Bell Curve: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/01/the-tainted-sources-of-the-bell-curve/

Free book by William Tucker on The Bell Curve: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-41614-9

Primary research articles debunking Lynn:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S104160801000035X?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608009001071?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909003675?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609001470?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909002475?via%3Dihub

https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/tzr8c https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/26vfb https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608024000141?via%3Dihub

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Here’s the first part of my 3-part discussion on race ‘science’. In this part I talk about my own observations of the slimy tactics and talking points the IDW/Heterodox race ‘science’ fans tend to use. It’s a journey through some of the wildest IDW race ‘science’ clips I could find - From Molyneux and Rubin discussing brain size & race to Sam Harris platforming and defending Charles Murray.

The next 2 parts will be a panel featuring various scientists/academics. Including returning guest, Mr. @Evopsychgoogle from Twitter.

Consider this episode a primer for the panel discussion.

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Here’s a recording of the Twitter Space from Friday Aug 2nd, ICYMI.

Joining me on this Space was political writer/podcaster (and former rightwinger) Matthew Sheffield. As always, please note, Twitter Spaces are live events, and unfortunately the sound is never as good as the usual podcast audio, since u can only functionally use Spaces on the mobile app.

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If the *bad* kind of weirdness was an Olympic sport, it would be hard to pick a winner. There are so many unhinged rightwing takes to choose from. We discussed a whole lot on this Space - Seems like years worth of stuff, but it really just covers the past couple of weeks; The assassination attempt on Trump, the weird culty prop bandages, JD Vance, couches & dolphins, Biden stepping down & endorsing Kamala (this was recorded pre Walz being picked, so that isn’t mentioned), the weird rightwing meltdowns about Kamala being both of Indian heritage and being black….the rightwing outrage about the Olympics, JK Rowling and others plunging to new levels of transphobic madness, the Olympics allowing genocidal war criminals to participate - all that and more, right here.

Links:

Police warned Secret Service of a suspicious person at Trump rally before gunman opened fire, source says https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/-police-warned-secret-service-suspicious-person-trump-rally-shooting-rcna161933 Diapers for Trump: https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-supporters-wear-nappies-13129050

Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA wearing diapers https://www.salon.com/2018/03/25/how-a-diaper-protest-led-to-the-implosion-of-a-conservative-student-group/

Rowling’ s horrendous tweet about Imane Khelif which is still up at the time of this writing https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1819488996356964754?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Khelif’s opponent apologizes https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

Loomer goes full birther about Kamala https://x.com/eyesontheright/status/1819240726003106181?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Loomer calls Kamala a ‘brain dead bimbo’ : https://x.com/eyesontheright/status/1815958476721369094?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Paris Olympics organisers apologise to Christians for unintentional Last Supper parody https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/28/paris-olympics-organisers-apologise-to-christians-for-last-supper-parody

Before Going MAGA, J.D. Vance Reportedly Brought Baked Goods to His Trans Friend: A former Yale classmate says Trump’s VP pick brought them treats while they recovered from top surgery. https://www.them.us/story/jd-vance-trans-friend-law-school-baked-goods-conservative-turn

Vance searching for woman + dolphin https://x.com/atrupar/status/1816849447407456694?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

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