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Lisa Zambetti and RCP Producer Paul Francis Sullivan sit down with former FBI agent Bobby Chacon to discuss the witness protection program. Bobby describes his experience putting witnesses into the program, the process of keeping people safe and his involvement on the movie GoodFellas.

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Laura Richards talks with special guest David Challen, the son of Sally Challen, who is currently in prison serving an 18 year sentence for the murder of Richard Challen in 2011.

During her trial jurors were told that she attacked him with a hammer whilst he ate his lunch at the kitchen table of the former marital home.

David is leading the charge to free his mother from prison and tells Laura about what it was like growing up at home and what his mother and father's relationship was really like behind closed doors.

Since Sally's conviction, the concept of coercive control has been introduced into law following the successful Domestic Violence Law Reform Campaign spearheaded byLaura Richards in partnership with Women's Aid and Sara Charlton Charitable Foundation. 

Given the advances in law and analysis of coercive control, Sally's murder conviction is now being looked at with fresh eyes and challenged in the courts setting a precedent in UK law.  To read more about Sally's case and to help support Sally go to:

https://www.justiceforwomen.org.uk/sally-challen/

#FreeSallyChallen

For more information about coercive control and the domestic violence law reform campaign go to:

https://paladinservice.co.uk/harassment-legislation/domestic-violence-campaign/

#CoerciveControl

For more information about the register for serial stalkers and domestic abusers go to:

https://paladinservice.co.uk/serial-perpetrator-register-and-order/

To sign the petition

https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-create-a-stalker-s-register

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@David_Challen

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The Real Crime Profile team (Laura Richards, Lisa Zambetti and Jim Clemente) conclude their illuminating discussion with retired FBI profiler and forensic linguist James "Fitz" Fitzgerald who worked on the original case when he was in the FBI. More profiling, detailed analysis and insight about he bank heist, the 9 page letter and the murder of Brian Wells.

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The #RCP team are joined by special guest ret. FBI profiler and forensic linguist Jim “Fitz” Fitzgerald who continues to share his insights from his work on the case and his analysis of the 9 page letter.

The team weigh in on the next twist in the case “the frozen body in the freezer” and debate Marjorie Diel-Armstrong’ relationship with Bill Rothstein, along with the catalyst for Marjorie’s “fall from grace”.

Don’t miss our latest episode analysing the twists and turns of the Netflix true crime docuseries “Evil Genius: The True Story Of America’s Most Diabolical Bank Heist.”

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The #RCP team are joined by retired FBI profiler and forensic linguist James “Fitz” Fitzgerald and continue their analysis of the Netflix show “Evil Genius” which focuses on the bank robbery, which resulted in the death of Brian Wells in Erie, Pennsylvania.

Fitz worked on the case and profiled the 9-page letter when he was in the FBI. We discuss his analysis of the letter and what it reveals about the author and the architect of what has been called “America’s most diabolical bank heist”. Our listeners will not want to miss Fitz’s searing insights. 

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The RCP team weigh in and offer their insight and analysis about the death of Brian Wells, which is the focus of the Netflix show ‘Evil Genius: The True Story Of America’s Most Diabolical Bank Heist’ co-directed by Trey Borzillieri and Barbara Schroeder. 

Brian Wells, a local pizza delivery man, held up a PNC Bank with a bomb collar around his neck and a cane gun. He had two pages of elaborate handwritten instructions - a detailed scavenger hunt - leading him from place to place, both to steal $250, 000 and pick up new instructions, with the promise of freedom if he completes the tasks in time. 

Having left the bank he was stopped by police in a parking lot. Having cuffed him and sat him on the ground some 25 minutes later, the bomb starts to beep. The beeping escalated until the moment it exploded, killing Brian Wells. The bomb squad arrived too late.

Was he part of this elaborate plan to rob the bank or a victim exploited and manipulated by others? The #RCP team discuss the facts, the evidence and the footage in the documentary. 

Health warning: please be advised that this podcast contains graphic content about the case and autopsy. 

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Laura Richards and Lisa Zambetti continue their interview with Melissa Moore, the daughter of Keith Jespersen, whose terrible moniker was “The Happy Face Killer”. 

He murdered at least 8 women during the early 1990s and at least one victim, Daun, survived.

Melissa talks about the difficult meeting with Michelle, Taunja Bennett’s sister, her discussions with her father about killing the victims and the impact it’s had on her life and family.

We ask the difficult questions about what was going on behind closed doors and whether were there any warning signs that he was a danger to women and girls? 

We re-balance the narrative by talking about the victims, honouring their names and lives, remembering them and learning from their deaths:

#HerNameWasTaunjaBennett

#HerNameWasClaudia

#HerNameWasCynthiaLynRose

#HerNameWasLaurieAnnPentland

#HerNameWasJane

#HerNameWasSusanne

#HerNameWasAngelaSubrize

#HerNameWasJuliaAnnWinningham

#HerNameISDaunRichert-Slagle

@MelissaGMoore

Melissa’s show “Monster in my Family”

https://youtu.be/7ugV8zPHgH8

Melissa’s book “Shattered Silence”

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shattered-Silence-Untold-Killers-Daughter/dp/1599552388

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Laura Richards and Lisa Zambetti interview Melissa Moore, the daughter of Keith Jespersen, whose terrible moniker was “The Happy Face Killer”. 

He murdered at least 8 women during the early 1990s and at least one victim, Daun, survived.

We ask difficult questions of Melissa about her life: what was going on behind closed doors; were there any warning signs that he was a danger to women and girls, and highlight the lessons to be learned.

We re-balance the narrative by talking about the victims, honouring their names and lives, remembering them and learning from their deaths:

#HerNameWasTaunjaBennett

#HerNameWasClaudia

#HerNameWasCynthiaLynRose

#HerNameWasLaurieAnnPentland

#HerNameWasJane

#HerNameWasSusanne

#HerNameWasAngelaSubrize

#HerNameWasJuliaAnnWinningham

#HerNameISDaunRichert-Slagle

@MelissaGMoore

Melissa’s show “Monster in my Family”

https://youtu.be/7ugV8zPHgH8

Melissa’s book “Shattered Silence”

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shattered-Silence-Untold-Killers-Daughter/dp/1599552388

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To mark the one month anniversary of the arrest of the #EastAreaRapist #GoldenStateKiller we have a very special episode dedicated to all the victims, survivors, thrivers and families and those who never gave up.

The RCP team were joined by brave and courageous Jane Carson-Sandler, who was brutally victimised by the East Area Rapist. Jane tells her story about what happened and her journey from victim, to survivor, to thriver. We were delighted that Mike Morford, from Criminology podcast, weighed in on the discussion live at CrimeCon, Nashville.

#VictimsVoice

#VictimsMatter

#CrimeCon

#Nashville

#NeverGiveUp

#JusticeIsHere

#HesGoingDown

Show notes

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Listen to Part 2 of the fascinating interview with Scott Paterno, Joe Paterno's son. Please be advised this may be triggering for some who have experienced abuse. 

Jim Clemente and Lisa Zambetti zero in on what was known at the time and compare and contrast it to what viewers saw in the movie "Paterno", where Joe Paterno is played by Al Pacino.

Jim talks about the critical nine page report that he wrote after profiling perpetrators for three years to identify the warning signs of "nice guy aquaintance" perpetrators. 

This is a must read for everyone if you want to learn how to better protect your children and friends from child sexual vicitmisation.

Show notes

Child Sexual Victimisation Report by Jim Clemente

http://www.paterno.com/Resources/Docs/Background-On-Child-Sexual-Victimization.pdf

If you have been affected by sexual victimisation you can contact:

www.malesurvivor.org

www.stopitnow.org

www.darknesstolight.org

www.safe4athletes.org

1in6.org

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