Pascal Hügli is a former journalist and currently an investment manager at Maerki Baumann. The bank is one of the leading financial institutions in Switzerland that offers exposure to Bitcoin and other digital currencies. 

In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz,  Pascal discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in a bank, how whales and clients with big positions are selling BTC, why he wrote a book, and what he thinks the future holds. 

You can follow Pascal on X: https://x.com/pahueg 

Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pascal-huegli/ 

Pascal also has a great podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@lessnoisemoresignalpodcast 

You can buy Pascal's book here: https://www.ricardosalinas.com/en/librobitcoin 

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

05:15 - Pascal's podcast

10:18 - Pascal's new book with Ricardo Salinas

15:10 - Bitcoin's role in banking and institutional adoption

20:19 - Market dynamics and why we see so much selling

25:16 - The impact of BlackRock and other financial institutions

26:53 - Do clients of Maerki Baumann like Bitcoin or Bitcoin ETFs more?

30:15 - The human element in Bitcoin and its community

32:36 - Fiat vs. Bitcoin: Can it co-exist for the next century?

36:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies and their impact

41:08 - The rationality of Bitcoin investments

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Parker Lewis is the Head of Business Development at Zaprite, a tool and a new way to collect Bitcoin payments online. Additionally, he’s also the Author of the book ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Parker discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in Bitcoin companies, how Bitcoin will soon eat up all the world’s wealth, and what motivated him to write his book.

You can follow Parker on X: https://x.com/parkeralewis 

You can buy Parker’s book here: https://academy.saifedean.com/product/gradually-then-suddenly-hardcover/?v=adab7b701f23 

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00:00 - Intro

00:45 - Why Bitcoin community hubs are important

05:37 - Understanding Bitcoin and Parker’s book

12:25 - The problem with fiat money

19:00 - Bitcoin as a solution to economic issues

23:39 - Bitcoin as a store of value vs. a medium of exchange

29:29 - The future of Bitcoin payments

33:05 - Adoption and the acceptance of Bitcoin in businesses

39:14 - Parker’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio

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Efrat Fenigson hosts the “You’re The Voice” podcast and is a public advocate for Bitcoin worldwide. She came onto the scene at BTC Amsterdam in 2023 and BTC Prague 2024, where she gave talks about the dangers of CBDCs and how Bitcoin can be an exit. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Efrat discusses her journey into Bitcoin, why she decided to take a closer look a few years ago, how she started her podcast, why she’s educating against CBDCs, and what Bitcoiners can do in the future. 

You can follow Efrat on X: https://x.com/efenigson 

You can subscribe to Efrat’s podcast here: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice 

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00:00 - Intro

00:29 - Efrat’s journey into Bitcoin

05:23 - Understanding CBDCs vs. Bitcoin

10:01 - The future of CBDCs and the global financial system

20:18 - The risks of CBDCs and financial control

30:09 - Personal finance and the Bitcoin standard

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Peter Dunworth is a partner at the Bitcoin Advisers and has had a successful career in various family offices. Originally from Australia, he’s best known in the Bitcoin community globally for his Bitcoin outlook and work in orange pilling HNWIs. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Peter discusses what led to him discovering Bitcoin, why he was so convinced early on, what importance multisig wallets play in Bitcoin adoption, and how he’s actively orange pilling more family offices. 

You can follow Peter on X: https://x.com/peterbtcadviser 

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00:00 - Intro

02:45 - Bitcoin’s current landscape and future outlook 

15:15 - The evolution of Bitcoin in family offices 

30:03 - Self-custody and the future of Bitcoin investments

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Paolo Ardoino is the CEO of Tether, the world's largest stablecoin issuer, and the CTO of Bitfinex. Paolo discovered the cypherpunk movement in his early teens and has been fascinated by the movement. This led to him discovering Bitcoin in 2013 and joining Bitfinex a year later. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Paolo discusses the evolution of Tether’s USDT stablecoin, how they use Bitcoin as a backing asset, why they decided also to use gold and treasuries as reserves, and why they invested billions of dollars in companies and projects to further evolve the space. 

You can follow Paolo on X: https://x.com/paoloardoino 

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00:00 - Intro

03:10 - Early life and Paolo’s introduction to technology

06:19 - Paolo’s transition from technology to finance

12:23 - Paolo’s rise to CTO of Bitfinex and CEO of Tether

16:08 - The success of Tether and its impact on digital assets

20:21 - The importance of self-custody in Bitcoin

30:00 - Investing in Bitcoin startups and Paolo’s outlook for the future

43:38 - Paolo’s Bitcoin position in his portfolio

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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Michael Saylor is the chairman and founder of MicroStrategy. In the Bitcoin community, he’s known as the Bitcoin Gigachad. Since 2020, he has been buying Bitcoin and putting it on the company’s balance sheet. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Michael discusses why he decided to buy Bitcoin and use it as a strategic reserve asset, what that journey was like inside the company, why he sees Bitcoin as the biggest mission in his life, and what the next ten years will look like. 

You can follow Michael on X: https://x.com/saylor 

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00:00 - Intro

00:56 - What does it mean to be in the Nasdaq 100?

02:40 - How much capital will flow into MicroStrategy?

03:58 - What is Michael’s plan with the ATM offering?

18:34 - How should millennials allocate their Bitcoin exposure?

24:36 - The opportunity with debt and the market to get more Bitcoin

42:15 - Why the Bitcoin strategy is the no-brainer solution for businesses

49:23 - Michael’s take on the Microsoft Bitcoin vote earlier this month

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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Dennis Porter is the co-founder and CEO of Satoshi Action Fund, where he and his team work closely with lawmakers to make Bitcoin-friendly legislation. Dennis is the go-to resource for information about Bitcoin adoption amongst policymakers.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Dennis discusses Bitcoin's success in the recent U.S. elections, why the Bitcoin vote is growing rapidly, how likely it is that other nations will adopt Bitcoin, and what we can expect from the U.S. in the coming months.

You can follow Dennis on X: https://x.com/Dennis_Porter_ 

Find out more about the Satoshi Action Fun here: https://www.satoshiaction.io/ 

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00:00 - Intro

01:35 - What has changed in the interest of nation-states?

03:54 - What is the motivation behind the Bitcoin vote in the U.S.?

07:18 - Do lawmakers take Bitcoin and its incentives seriously?

08:53 - Is the younger generation pushing Bitcoin in politics?

09:46 - How big can Bitcoin and proper legislation become?

12:47 - What’s going on with Bitcoin and politics in China?

14:07 - What does it take for a Bitcoin-friendly bill?

15:25 - Will nation-states also mine Bitcoin?

17:48 - When will a strategic Bitcoin reserve bill happen?

19:58 - Why we need to take action! 

21:15 - What’s Dennis’ motivation?

22:20 - Bitcoin allocation in the portfolio

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Fred Krueger is a former Wall Street trader and businessman who has a PhD in Operations Research / Applied Math from Stanford University. He is well known for his videos and takes on the Spot Bitcoin ETFs on X and YouTube.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Fred gave us an insight into the world of spot Bitcoin ETFs, why Wall Street is bullish about Bitcoin, and what we can expect from them going forward. 

You can follow Fred on X: https://x.com/dotkrueger 

Follow Fred on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoinkrueger 

Find out more about him on his website: https://www.fredkrueger.org/ 

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00:00 - Intro

02:00 - Fred’s background on Wall Street

09:26 - Why Fred is betting on the upcoming bull market

21:18 - Why did the Bitcoin price drop with the ETF hype?

23:40 - Fred’s take on the price drop despite all the positive signals

30:10 - Why Bitcoin is the better form of money

35:50 - How is Fred investing into Bitcoin? 

43:38 - Fred’s closing thoughts

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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Preston Pysh is the co-host of the Investor’s Podcast and general partner at Ego Death Capital. He initially discovered Bitcoin because he was interested in the returns but quickly learned more about the network. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Preston explains why more and more institutions will allocate, what the Fed got wrong in the past, and why he invests in Bitcoin companies to build a better future.

You can follow Preston on X: https://x.com/PrestonPysh 

Follow Preston’s Investor’s Podcast at: https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/ 

Find out more about Ego Death Capital at: https://egodeath.capital/ 

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00:00 - Intro

03:25 - Preston’s journey into Bitcoin

09:03 - Why everyone is suddenly talking about Bitcoin

16:07 - The reason why the monetary supply is expanding

23:35 - How the Cantillon Effect is ruining investors and businesses

28:45 - Why Preston is only investing in Bitcoin and Bitcoin businesses

34:55 - How companies like MicroStrategy help in institutional adoption

38:16 - Has Donald Trump actually understood Bitcoin?

41:09 - Will Game Theory play out with Bitcoin?

47:16 - How hyperinflation will help Bitcoin thrive

52:10 - Why traditional finance is leaning into Bitcoin

55:14 - Preston’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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Adam Back is the CEO and founder of Blockstream and has been involved in Bitcoin since its beginning. Before working in Bitcoin, Adam had already been working on various e-cash solutions and how to use encryption to protect users' privacy. He’s one of the earliest cypherpunks in the industry. 

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Adam shares his journey into Bitcoin, how Blockstream is working on scaling Bitcoin, why encryption is key, and how the Bitcoin community and companies need to improve their services to onboard more people into the Bitcoin network. 

You can find Adam on X (Twitter) here: https://x.com/adam3us 

You can find out more about Blockstream here: https://blockstream.com/ 

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00:00 - Intro

01:55 - How does Adam see the future of Bitcoin scaling

07:20 - Why certain investors are happy with custodial services

08:10 - How Greenlight and Breez helped with the Relai Lightning wallet

15:35 - Why integrating all the Bitcoin scaling solutions into one service is key

20:15 - Where on the spectrum is Liquid? Is it custodial or non-custodial?

28:00 - How Liquid and different layers can facilitate the orange pill process

33:10 - Why Bitcoin is so much more than just savings technology

36:00 - Do we need more layers on top of Bitcoin for other use cases?

46:00 - We need to keep networks permissionless and open

48:50 - Adam’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 25 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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