Relai Bitcoin Podcast

Kent Halliburton is the CEO and co-founder of Sazmining. He has a background in the energy sector, especially the solar industry, and, out of curiosity, was introduced to Bitcoin. These days, he's building data centers for miners worldwide and working hard to make Bitcoin available to everyone.

In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Kent discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he got started in the mining industry, what Sazmining stands for, how renewable energy will transform the industry, and what to expect in the future.

You can follow Kent on X: https://x.com/khalliburton

Visit Sazmining’s website here: https://www.sazmining.com/

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

02:54 - The vision of Sazmining

05:57 - Renewable energy and mining

12:06 - Innovative ideas to use heat in mining

14:45 - Sazmining's business model and how they operate

21:05 - The community and role of Bitcoin miners in there

24:35 - Bitcoin mining model explained in simple terms

29:12 - Identifying key geographical hotspots in mining

34:03 - The future of energy sources and storage

39:02 - Innovations and future plans of Sazmining

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Patrick Heusser is the Head of Lending at Sentora and one of the most established experts in Bitcoin in Switzerland. He has been writing about and researching digital assets for almost a decade and is keen on contributing to new financing models for the ecosystem.

In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Patrick discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why Bitcoin treasury companies are interesting but require careful differentiation between early adopters and copycats, and how the space is expected to evolve.

You can follow Patrick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heusser/

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

03:10 - The revolutionary impact of Strategy

05:56 - Financial models in Bitcoin acquisition

09:01 - The role of retail investors in Bitcoin

12:08 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies

14:46 - Metaplanet's unique use case as a treasury company

18:05 - Emergence of new Bitcoin treasury companies

20:53 - Market dynamics and the treasury hype cycle

23:58 - The importance of MNAV in treasury evaluations

27:04 - The risk of over-hyped treasury companies

30:14 - The future of potential Bitcoin banks

36:12 - Outlook on the future in the space

47:55 - Patrick's Bitcoin position in his portfolio

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Pierre Rochard is the CEO of the Bitcoin Bond Company and the host of the Bitcoin for Corporations podcast. He’s also one of the most vocal people out there on X about all things Bitcoin, bonds, and treasury companies.

In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Pierre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join get into mining first and why he moved on from his role at Riot, what opportunities await us with Bitcoin bonds and why he is so bullish for the future.

You can follow Pierre on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre

And subscribe to his podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@BitcoinForCorporations/

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

03:10 - Bitcoin all-time highs and conversations about it

06:16 - Retail vs. institutional investors in Bitcoin

12:15 - Self-custody vs. institutional custody

15:08 - The impact of the spot Bitcoin ETFs

24:21 - Mining strategies and what miners think like

32:42 - Financial engineering and Bitcoin bonds

38:08 - The future of private credit and Bitcoin lending

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The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.

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🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:

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Disclaimer: Relai is authorized to provide crypto-asset services in Switzerland and across the European Union under the MiCA regulatory framework. The company is actively expanding its services to EU member states following the completion of passporting notifications.

Alexandre Laizet is the board director of Bitcoin strategy at Capital ₿, Europe's first Bitcoin treasury company based in France.

In this conversation with Relai CEO, Julian Liniger, Alexandre discusses his journey into Bitcoin, what motivated him to join the board of a Bitcoin treasury company, and how these companies will evolve in the future.

You can follow Alexandre on X: https://x.com/AlexandreLaizet

Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandre-laizet/

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

02:15 - Bitcoin’s unique value proposition

05:10 - The mechanics of Bitcoin treasury companies

10:25 - Fundraising strategies for Bitcoin treasury companies

15:10 - Risks ans opportunities in Bitcoin treasury investments

26:25 - The future of Bitcoin treasury companies

35:10 - Market dynamics and competition amongst treasury companies

41:40 - The role of Bitcoin treasury companies in private markets

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The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.

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🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:

🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/

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Pascal Hügli is a former journalist and currently an investment manager at Maerki Baumann. The bank is one of the leading financial institutions in Switzerland that offers exposure to Bitcoin and other digital currencies.

In this conversation with Relai's Head of Communications, Joël Kai Lenz, Pascal discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in a bank, how whales and clients with big positions are selling BTC, why he wrote a book, and what he thinks the future holds.

You can follow Pascal on X: https://x.com/pahueg

Or connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pascal-huegli/

Pascal also has a great podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@lessnoisemoresignalpodcast

You can buy Pascal's book here: https://www.ricardosalinas.com/en/librobitcoin

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⏱ Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

05:15 - Pascal's podcast

10:18 - Pascal's new book with Ricardo Salinas

15:10 - Bitcoin's role in banking and institutional adoption

20:19 - Market dynamics and why we see so much selling

25:16 - The impact of BlackRock and other financial institutions

26:53 - Do clients of Maerki Baumann like Bitcoin or Bitcoin ETFs more?

30:15 - The human element in Bitcoin and its community

32:36 - Fiat vs. Bitcoin: Can it co-exist for the next century?

36:45 - Bitcoin treasury companies and their impact

41:08 - The rationality of Bitcoin investments

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The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date.

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🎓 Get Smarter About Bitcoin:

🧠 Free Bitcoin Mini‑Course: https://relai.app/21-bitcoin-basics/

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Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.

Parker Lewis is the Head of Business Development at Zaprite, a tool and a new way to collect Bitcoin payments online. Additionally, he’s also the Author of the book ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Parker discusses his journey into Bitcoin, why he decided to work in Bitcoin companies, how Bitcoin will soon eat up all the world’s wealth, and what motivated him to write his book.

You can follow Parker on X: https://x.com/parkeralewis

You can buy Parker’s book here: https://academy.saifedean.com/product/gradually-then-suddenly-hardcover/?v=adab7b701f23

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00:00 - Intro

00:45 - Why Bitcoin community hubs are important

05:37 - Understanding Bitcoin and Parker’s book

12:25 - The problem with fiat money

19:00 - Bitcoin as a solution to economic issues

23:39 - Bitcoin as a store of value vs. a medium of exchange

29:29 - The future of Bitcoin payments

33:05 - Adoption and the acceptance of Bitcoin in businesses

39:14 - Parker’s Bitcoin allocation in his portfolio

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

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Efrat Fenigson hosts the “You’re The Voice” podcast and is a public advocate for Bitcoin worldwide. She came onto the scene at BTC Amsterdam in 2023 and BTC Prague 2024, where she gave talks about the dangers of CBDCs and how Bitcoin can be an exit.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Efrat discusses her journey into Bitcoin, why she decided to take a closer look a few years ago, how she started her podcast, why she’s educating against CBDCs, and what Bitcoiners can do in the future.

You can follow Efrat on X: https://x.com/efenigson

You can subscribe to Efrat’s podcast here: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice

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00:00 - Intro

00:29 - Efrat’s journey into Bitcoin

05:23 - Understanding CBDCs vs. Bitcoin

10:01 - The future of CBDCs and the global financial system

20:18 - The risks of CBDCs and financial control

30:09 - Personal finance and the Bitcoin standard

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.

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Peter Dunworth is a partner at the Bitcoin Advisers and has had a successful career in various family offices. Originally from Australia, he’s best known in the Bitcoin community globally for his Bitcoin outlook and work in orange pilling HNWIs.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Peter discusses what led to him discovering Bitcoin, why he was so convinced early on, what importance multisig wallets play in Bitcoin adoption, and how he’s actively orange pilling more family offices.

You can follow Peter on X: https://x.com/peterbtcadviser

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00:00 - Intro

02:45 - Bitcoin’s current landscape and future outlook

15:15 - The evolution of Bitcoin in family offices

30:03 - Self-custody and the future of Bitcoin investments

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.

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Paolo Ardoino is the CEO of Tether, the world's largest stablecoin issuer, and the CTO of Bitfinex. Paolo discovered the cypherpunk movement in his early teens and has been fascinated by the movement. This led to him discovering Bitcoin in 2013 and joining Bitfinex a year later.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Paolo discusses the evolution of Tether’s USDT stablecoin, how they use Bitcoin as a backing asset, why they decided also to use gold and treasuries as reserves, and why they invested billions of dollars in companies and projects to further evolve the space.

You can follow Paolo on X: https://x.com/paoloardoino

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00:00 - Intro

03:10 - Early life and Paolo’s introduction to technology

06:19 - Paolo’s transition from technology to finance

12:23 - Paolo’s rise to CTO of Bitfinex and CEO of Tether

16:08 - The success of Tether and its impact on digital assets

20:21 - The importance of self-custody in Bitcoin

30:00 - Investing in Bitcoin startups and Paolo’s outlook for the future

43:38 - Paolo’s Bitcoin position in his portfolio

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Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 50 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time.

Disclaimer: Relai services are exclusively recommended for Swiss and Italian residents.

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Michael Saylor is the chairman and founder of MicroStrategy. In the Bitcoin community, he’s known as the Bitcoin Gigachad. Since 2020, he has been buying Bitcoin and putting it on the company’s balance sheet.

In this conversation with Relai CEO Julian Liniger, Michael discusses why he decided to buy Bitcoin and use it as a strategic reserve asset, what that journey was like inside the company, why he sees Bitcoin as the biggest mission in his life, and what the next ten years will look like.

You can follow Michael on X: https://x.com/saylor

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00:00 - Intro

00:56 - What does it mean to be in the Nasdaq 100?

02:40 - How much capital will flow into MicroStrategy?

03:58 - What is Michael’s plan with the ATM offering?

18:34 - How should millennials allocate their Bitcoin exposure?

24:36 - The opportunity with debt and the market to get more Bitcoin

42:15 - Why the Bitcoin strategy is the no-brainer solution for businesses

49:23 - Michael’s take on the Microsoft Bitcoin vote earlier this month

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