Respecting Religion

We return for a bonus episode of season 7, as we look to the new Supreme Court term and say farewell to our co-host, Holly Hollman. Before she leaves, Holly joins Amanda to preview two religious liberty cases the court will hear in the next few months. And, after 25 years of filing briefs with BJC, Holly reflects on some of the big moments during her time here as she heads toward a new chapter in life.

What remedies does a person have if their religious freedom rights are violated in a state prison? In our season 7 finale, Amanda and Holly go in-depth on the disappointing Supreme Court decision in Landor v. Louisiana Department of Corrections – the justices make new law that impacts religious freedom rights and potentially congressional power more broadly. Amanda and Holly also look at ways people are protecting rights in Texas, as the fight continues against mandated Bible readings in public school. Plus, they share a quick rundown of the big Supreme Court decisions in the past two days as justices end this term…and get ready for the next.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 00:35): The Supreme Court's final decisions of the term

We discussed the Landor case on two previous episodes:

• What's at stake: S7 Ep01: The Supreme Court in a New Era
• The oral arguments: S7 Ep05: A Religious Freedom Caes Flying Under the Radar

To read BJC's statement after the decision, to see our brief, and to access other resources, visit our website page dedicated to Landor v. Louisiana Department of Corrections.

Segment 2 (starting at 11:57): Unpacking the Landor decision and dissent

For more reading about Landor:

• Steve Vladek's piece on One First: The Ascension of Westside Mothers
• Liz Reiner Platt's piece in Religion News Service: A Rastafarian's Supreme Court loss shows religious freedom depends on who you are

Segment 3 (starting at 30:37): Taking action – in Texas and beyond

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Learn more about our work combating the problematic reading list in Texas on our website.

Read more in this piece by Sarah Mervosh for The New York Times: Texas Public School Students Will Be Required to Read the Bible

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How is increased immigration enforcement impacting the right to religious freedom? Should some "sensitive" locations be treated differently? Get an update on the twists and turns of this legal issue that has real world consequences for religious freedom, houses of worship, schools, hospitals, and other key places in our community. Holly and Amanda discuss the change in policy from the Trump administration, and they go in-depth on the legal and policy response – including long-term strategies and short-term solutions.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 00:35): A new policy that upended everything

Holly wrote about the change in the sensitive locations policy in her column for our magazine in the spring of 2025: Defending churches and other sensitive locations from government intrusion

Amanda mentioned the online tracker of incidents: ProtectSensitiveLocations.org

Segment 2 (starting at 07:59): The legal response

Learn more about the specific immigration cases on the immigration page of BJC's website.

You can also visit the website of the Law, Rights and Religion Project to see their report on immigration and religious liberty.

Baptist News Global shared an update on the lawsuits last week: Sensitive locations lawsuit amended with more concerns

Segment 3 (starting at 26:28): The policy response

BJC supports the Protecting Sensitive Locations Act (H.R.1061 / S.455). Want to ask your members of Congress to support the long-term solution? Use our simple form, and we'll send an email from you!

Amanda mentioned the following two articles:

• From PBS Newshour: Trump's deportation agenda is about to get a $70 billion infusion from Congress (via the Associated Press)
• From The Hill: House sends reconciliation bill funding immigration enforcement to Trump's desk by Sudiksha Kochi

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Get caught up on all things court-related as Amanda and Holly run through some big decisions and changes over the past few months, including the multiple decisions in cases about posting the Ten Commandments, the dismissal of a legal challenge to the Johnson Amendment, and the Supreme Court's undermining of section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 00:35): A new decision undermining the Voting Rights Act

The BJC Center for Faith, Justice and Reconciliation released a statement about the decision in Louisiana v. Callais that undermined section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

Segment 2 (starting at 09:26): Supreme Court updates: Landor wait, Chiles v. Salazar decision, and cert petitions

We discussed the oral arguments in Landor v. Louisiana Department of Corrections on episode 5 of season 7: A religious freedom case flying under the radar

We talked about Chiles v. Salazar briefly in the season premiere: The Supreme Court in a New Era

Segment 3 (starting at 21:23): Decisions – plural! – in some Ten Commandments cases

BJC released a statement after the decision in Rabbi Nathan v. Alamo Heights, which allowed the state of Texas to require the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms: First Amendment, pluralism both undermined in decision to uphold Ten Commandments mandate for Texas classrooms

Segment 4 (starting at 35:46): Johnson Amendment update

See BJC's resource page on the Johnson Amendment at BJConline.org/JohnsonAmendment.

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The "Christian nation" rhetoric and spectacle we're seeing is not just bad history – it's having real ramifications for religious freedom for all in our country today. Amanda is back from sabbatical, and she and Holly discuss recent developments, including an increase in anti-Sharia legislation and fear-mongering that goes with it. They fact-check last week's congressional hearing on the topic and share Amanda's testimony.

Plus, Amanda and Holly discuss the recent "Rededicate 250" event on the National Mall, which elevated common myths tied to Christian nationalism. People can gather to pray, and there have been public worship gatherings before – so, what made that event different?

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 00:35): Christian nationalism, myths, and "Rededicate 250"

Holly is quoted in this article from Religion News Service by Bob Smietana: A Christian nation? At 250, America is still fighting over what that means

Amanda is quoted in this Washington Post article by Michelle Boorstein, Laura Meckler and Natalie Allison: White House to host 9-hour prayer festival focused on Christian roots of U.S.

Amanda is also quoted in this Wall Street Journal article by By Meridith McGraw and Terell Wright: A 'Revival' on the National Mall: White House Puts Prayer at Center of Washington

Amanda mentioned this wrap-up of the event – which includes some fact-checking – from Religion News Service by Jack Jenkins, Aleja Hertzler-McCain, and Adelle Banks: Trump allies lead thousands in prayer to 'rededicate' America to God on National Mall

You can read Amanda's op-ed in Baptist News Global about the event: When Government Claims God

Segment 2 (starting at 14:45): The latest congressional hearing on anti-Sharia measures

For more on the tragic shooting at the Islamic Center of San Diego, here's a story from the Associated Press by Julie Watson, Michael Biesecker, and John Seewer: San Diego mosque shooters met online and left writings expressing hate, FBI says

BJC released a statement on the shooting, which you can read on our website.

The House Judiciary Subcommittee on Constitution and Limited Government held a hearing on May 13, 2026, titled "Sharia-Free America:Why Political Islam & Sharia Law are Incompatible with the U.S. Constitution: Part II." We played Amanda's opening statement, as well as a portion of the opening statement of Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md.

You can watch the entire hearing and learn more on the website of the House Judiciary Committee.

You can read Amanda's written testimony at this link.

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Amanda is back from sabbatical, and Respecting Religion is returning with all-new episodes on Thursday, May 21. Tune in for analysis of various court decisions impacting religious freedom -- including the mulitple decisions about mandates to post the Ten Commandments. Plus, Holly and Amanda will discuss a disturbing trend in anti-Muslim sentiment and the rise of Christian nationalism tied to celebrations for America's 250th birthday.

Join us on Thursdays for these conversations and more in the coming weeks.

See all episodes of Respecting Religion on our website: BJConline.org/respectingreligion

What do people mean when they say we were founded as a "Christian nation"? Is that true?

Revisit this 2019 conversation on the political and religious history behind that idea. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler talks with Dr. Steven Green, author of Inventing a Christian America: The Myth of the Religious Founding, about the political history of this concept, including how, when and why it originated. They also discuss misguided claims that the Ten Commandments are the basis of our legal system. On the second half of the episode, we hear from church historian Bill Leonard on what religious leaders said and did during the founding of the United States and how that relates to the freedoms we have today.

This conversation was part of our podcast series on the dangers of Christian nationalism, first released on August 14, 2019.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 02:22): Steven Green on the political history of the idea

This program originally aired August 14, 2019, as episode 3 in our 10-part BJC Podcast series on the dangers of Christian nationalism.

Dr. Steven Green is the Fred H. Paulus Professor of Law and Affiliated Professor of History and Religious Studies at Willamette University. His most recent book – released in 2022 – is Separating Church and State. He is the author and co-author of several books, including Inventing a Christian America: The Myth of the Religious Founding; Religious Freedom and the Supreme Court; and The Third Disestablishment: Church, State, and American Culture, 1940-1975.

Segment 2 (starting at 21:18): Bill Leonard on the religious history of the idea

The Rev. Dr. Bill Leonard is the founding dean at the Wake Forest University School of Divinity, who now holds the title of "professor of divinity emeritus." He has written some 25 books, and his research focuses on church history with particular attention to American religion, Baptist studies, and the Appalachian religion.

During the episode, Amanda Tyler mentions an article he wrote for Baptist News Global: Legislating 'In God We Trust': using the state to do the Church's work.

To learn more about BJC's work countering Christian nationalism, visit ChristiansAgainstChristianNationalism.org or BJConline.org/ChristianNationalism. You can also access our discussion guide to go with this podcast series.

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Is the separation of church and state in the Constitution? How does Christian nationalism overlap with white supremacy? Why do we keep seeing so many proposals to post the Ten Commandments? In this wide-ranging conversation from 2024, Amanda Tyler talks about these issues and more as she discusses her book "How to End Christian Nationalism" with the Rev. Dr. Bill Leonard.

"How to End Christian Nationalism" is a vital companion for countering the dangerous ideology, and it is available from your favorite local bookseller.

This conversation was recorded Oct. 29, 2024, and was first released Nov. 7, 2024.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 01:30): Amanda Tyler and Bill Leonard on "How to End Christian Nationalism"

You can order Amanda's book, How to End Christian Nationalism, wherever you get your books. Visit EndChristianNationalism.com for more information.

The Rev. Dr. Bill Leonard is the founding dean at the Wake Forest University School of Divinity, who now holds the title of "professor of divinity emeritus." He has written some 25 books, and his research focuses on church history with particular attention to American religion, Baptist studies, and the Appalachian religion.

You can watch a video recording of this conversation (and entire podcast) on BJC's YouTube channel.

This event was a partnership between Knollwood Baptist Church, First Baptist on Fifth, and Ardmore Baptist Church – all three churches are located in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

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Christian nationalism was on full display at the ReAwaken America tour, which was a series of conferences that fused Christian language and symbols with conspiracy theories and election denials. Amanda went inside a Miami event in 2023, and she shared her experiences in this podcast – from assembly-line baptisms to the reaction of the crowd as speakers moved seamlessly from religious worship songs to calls for political violence.

This episode originally aired May 18, 2023, and it is our most downloaded show of all time.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 01:18): The Christian nationalism of the ReAwaken America tour

Amanda and Holly discussed the ReAwaken America tour in episode 5 of season 4: Christian nationalism and the midterm elections

This conversation was originally Episode 22 of Season 4.

Amanda and Holly mention this article about the ReAwaken Tour in The New York Times by Michelle Goldberg: Whose Version of Christian Nationalism Will Win in 2024?

Amanda wrote a response to Michael Flynn's call for "one religion" in 2021, published by Baptist News Global: If you're paying attention to Christian nationalism, you won't be shocked by Michael Flynn's call for 'one religion under God'

Segment 2 (starting at 06:08): The Pastors for Trump event

Amanda and Holly mentioned this article on the Pastors for Trump group by Peter Stone for The Guardian: Pro-Trump pastors rebuked for 'overt embrace of white Christian nationalism'

During this segment, we played a clip of Pastor John Bennett speaking during the Pastors for Trump event in Miami.

Segment 3 (starting at 16:14): ReAwaken America, baptisms, and our counter-witness

Amanda and Holly mentioned Brian Kaylor's reporting on the ReAwaken America tour. You can see his twitter thread with clips from Miami and read his piece in the A Public Witness newsletter, which is part of the Word&Way network: Michael Flynn's Soup for the Soulless

For more about Baptism and different ways Christian denominations approach it, check out this story from 2001 by the PBS program Religion and Ethics Newsweekly.

BJC and Faithful America created electronic billboards that were on trucks and a boat in Miami. See the video of the billboards in this post on the @EndChristianNationalism Instagram account.

Visit ChristiansAgainstChristianNationalism.org to explore the resources provided by the Christians Against Christian Nationalism movement.

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A 2022 decision from the Supreme Court continues to sow confusion and misguided claims four years later. Today, we're revisiting our conversation on the Kennedy v. Bremerton decision, where the Court ruled for a public school official and abandoned long-standing Establishment Clause protections in ways that harm the religious freedom rights of students. Hear Amanda and Holly react right after this decision and ponder just what, exactly, would actually constitute "coercion" for this Court. The Supreme Court did not overrule the previous school prayer cases with the decision, but it did gut some of the consensus that protects the religious liberty rights of everyone at public schools.

This conversation was recorded in front of a live audience on June 29, 2022, and was first released July 7, 2022.

SHOW NOTES

Segment 1 (starting at 02:57): Not solving a problem, but creating one: Kennedy v. Bremerton decision

You can read the Bremerton opinion here, written by Justice Neil Gorsuch. Justice Sonia Sotomayor's dissenting opinion includes photos of the prayer practice at issue (see pages 9 and 10 of the dissent, which are on pages 49 and 50 of the opinion PDF document).

We released three podcasts on this case:

• We previewed the case in April 2022 in Episode 14 of Season 3 in an episode titled "#NoPrayToPlay."

• We recapped the oral arguments in Episode 15 of that same season: "The coach is the loudspeaker and the field is his classroom: Recapping the arguments in Kennedy v. Bremerton"

• We released this episode as our season 3 finale. The full episode is titled "Not solving a problem, but creating one: Dissecting the Kennedy v. Bremerton decision"

Segment 2 (starting at 26:51): Concluding thoughts

For all of BJC's resources on this case, visit BJConline.org/Bremerton.

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