Triple Crowner and American Perimeter Trail designer Rue McKenrick drops by the JFM Pod studio to chat with Doc about his creation of a 12,000-mile trail that circumnavigates the contiguous United States.  During this very unique interview, they discuss the art of backpacking, efficiency vs. effectiveness, unchecking a box, contributing to the greater good, and the sacrifice that goes into the creation of such a trail.  Oh, and there's that time where Rue was out on the trail and had no idea a pandemic had swept the planet.  You don't want to miss this one.

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