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S01E32 - Daniel E. Saros on Digital Socialism and the Abolition of Capital (Part 2)
Part 2 of the in depth interview with Daniel E Saros.
While many are unsatisfied with capitalism and critique it in highly sophisticated ways, there are few concrete proposals for a socialist mode of production that could replace the capitalist one. Daniel E. Saros has developed such a proposal in his book "Information Technology and Socialist Construction – The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism" which we discuss at length over the course of two episodes.
Shownotes
Information on and works by Daniel E. Saros
Saros, E. Daniel. 2014. Information Technology and Socialist Construction. The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism. Oxfordshire: Routledge:
https://www.routledge.com/Information-Technology-and-Socialist-Construction-The-End-of-Capital-and/Saros/p/book/9780415742924
Saros, E. Daniel. 2019. "Information Technology and the Socialist Mode of Production: A Simulation of the Point Allocation System". Preprint. Annual Meeting of American Economic Association 2020 (zuletzt aufgerufen Dezember 2020):
https://www.aeaweb.org/conference/2020/preliminary/paper/YhNBnTeh
Selected works:
https://works.bepress.com/daniel-saros/
On the historical socialist calculation debate
The Austrians (selection)
Mises, v. Ludwig. 1990. Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth. Auburn: Ludwig von Mises Institute. (full book):
https://cdn.mises.org/Economic%20Calculation%20in%20the%20Socialist%20Commonwealth_Vol_2_3.pdf
Hayek, F. A. 2011. “The Use of Knowledge in Society”. Mises Daily Articles:
https://mises.org/library/use-knowledge-society
Hayek, F. A. 2005. "Economics and Knowledge". Mises Daily Articles:
https://mises.org/library/economics-and-knowledge
Hayek, F. A. 1963. Collectivist Economic Planning. London: Routledge:
https://cdn.mises.org/Collectivist%20Economic%20Planning_2.pdf
Wiki on the Austrian School of Economics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
The Socialists (selection):
Lange, O. 1936. “On the Economic Theory of Socialism: Part One”. The Review of Economic Studies, 4(1): 53–71:
https://www.jstor.org/preview-page/10.2307/2967660?seq=1
Neurath O. 2005. “Economic Plan and Calculation in Kind”. In Otto Neurath Economic Writings Selections 1904–1945. Vienna Circle Collection, vol 23. Wiesbaden: Springer:
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/1-4020-2274-3_14
Barone, E. 2012. “THE MINISTRY OF PRODUCTION IN THE COLLECTIVIST STATE”. Giornale Degli Economisti e Annali Di Economia, 71(Anno 125)(2/3): 75–112:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/43828055
D. Dickinson. 1933. “Price Formation in a Socialist Community”. The Economic Journal, Volume 43, Issue 170, 1 June 1933: 237–250:
https://academic.oup.com/ej/article-abstract/43/170/237/5267408?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Marx, Karl. 1887. "Capital Volume I". marxists.org:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf
Marx. Karl. 1878. "Capital Volume II". marxists.org:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/index.htm
Free online courses by David Harvey "Reading Marx's Capital":
http://davidharvey.org/reading-capital/
Other historical voices (selection):
Schumpeter, Joseph A. Capitalism. 1976. Socialism and Democracy. London: Routledge. Full book:
https://eet.pixel-online.org/files/etranslation/original/Schumpeter,%20Capitalism,%20Socialism%20and%20Democracy.pdf
Socialist Calculation Debate 2.0
Saros, Daniel E. 2014. Information Technology and Socialist Construction – The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism. London: Routledge:
https://www.routledge.com/Information-Technology-and-Socialist-Construction-The-End-of-Capital-and/Saros/p/book/9780415742924
Cockshott, Paul and Allin Cottrell. 2000. Towards a new socialism. Nottingham: Russell Press. Full book:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf
Phillips, Leigh and Michal Rozworski. 2019. The People’s Republic of Walmart. London: Verso:
https://www.versobooks.com/books/2822-the-people-s-republic-of-walmart
Morozov, Evgeny. 2019. "Digital Socialism?". New Left Review vol. 116/117:
https://newleftreview.org/issues/II116/articles/evgeny-morozov-digital-socialism
Spufford, Francis. 2010. Red Plenty. London: Faber and Faber. (novel):
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6481280-red-plenty
Dyer-Witheford, Nick. 2013. "Red Plenty Platforms". Culture Machine vol. 14:
https://culturemachine.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/511-1153-1-PB.pdf
Fuchs, Christina (Hg.). 2020. Communicative Socialism/Digital Socialism. tripleC: Communication, Capitalism & Critique 18 (1): 1-285:
https://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/1149
Phillips, Leigh and Michal Rozworski. 2019. "Yes, a Planned Economy Can Actually Work". Jacobin Magazine:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/03/economic-planning-walmart-democracy-socialism
Malloy, Michael. 2019. "Economic Planning and Degrowth: How Socialism Survives the 21st Century". New Socialist:
https://newsocialist.org.uk/economic-planning-and-degrowth/
additional shownotes
Wiki Ayn Rand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
Curtis, Adam. 2011. All watched over by machines of loving grace. London: BBC:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x60xjdl
Wiki on "zero-knowledge proofs":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
Willoughby, John. 2017. “Book Review: Information Technology and Socialist Construction: The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism”. In Review of Radical Political Economics vol. 50(2): 427- 443:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0486613416665833
Redecker, v. Eva. "Refiguring Revolution. A new Theory of Radical Change". Essay. Academia.edu (zuletzt abgerufen Dezember 2021):
https://www.academia.edu/39903778/Refiguring_Revolution._A_Critical_Theory_of_Social_Transformation_introduction_and_content_table_transl._by_Lucy_Duggan_
Hahnel, Robin und Michael Albert. 1991. The Political Economy of Participatory Economics. Princeton: Princeton University Press:
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691003849/the-political-economy-of-participatory-economics
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Episode Keywords:
#FutureHistories, #Podcast, #DanielSaros, #JanGroos, #Interview, #Planwirtschaft, #Society, #Democracy, #Communism, #Planarchy, #SocialistCalculationDebate, #Hayek, #Marx, #KarlMarx, #PlanningDebate, #DigitalSocialism, #Socialism, #PlannedEconomy, #AssociationalSocialism, #DemocraticPlanning, #Revolution, #HeterodoxEconomics, #Marxism, #Parecon, #RobinHahnel, #MichaelAlbert, #FutureHistoriesInternational,
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Part 2 of the in depth interview with Daniel E Saros.
While many are unsatisfied with capitalism and critique it in highly sophisticated ways, there are few concrete proposals for a socialist mode of production that could replace the capitalist one. Daniel E. Saros has developed such a proposal in his book "Information Technology and Socialist Construction – The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism" which we discuss at length over the course of two episodes.
Shownotes
Information on and works by Daniel E. Saros
Saros, E. Daniel. 2014. Information Technology and Socialist Construction. The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism. Oxfordshire: Routledge:
https://www.routledge.com/Information-Technology-and-Socialist-Construction-The-End-of-Capital-and/Saros/p/book/9780415742924
Saros, E. Daniel. 2019. "Information Technology and the Socialist Mode of Production: A Simulation of the Point Allocation System". Preprint. Annual Meeting of American Economic Association 2020 (zuletzt aufgerufen Dezember 2020):
https://www.aeaweb.org/conference/2020/preliminary/paper/YhNBnTeh
Selected works:
https://works.bepress.com/daniel-saros/
On the historical socialist calculation debate
The Austrians (selection)
Mises, v. Ludwig. 1990. Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth. Auburn: Ludwig von Mises Institute. (full book):
https://cdn.mises.org/Economic%20Calculation%20in%20the%20Socialist%20Commonwealth_Vol_2_3.pdf
Hayek, F. A. 2011. “The Use of Knowledge in Society”. Mises Daily Articles:
https://mises.org/library/use-knowledge-society
Hayek, F. A. 2005. "Economics and Knowledge". Mises Daily Articles:
https://mises.org/library/economics-and-knowledge
Hayek, F. A. 1963. Collectivist Economic Planning. London: Routledge:
https://cdn.mises.org/Collectivist%20Economic%20Planning_2.pdf
Wiki on the Austrian School of Economics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
The Socialists (selection):
Lange, O. 1936. “On the Economic Theory of Socialism: Part One”. The Review of Economic Studies, 4(1): 53–71:
https://www.jstor.org/preview-page/10.2307/2967660?seq=1
Neurath O. 2005. “Economic Plan and Calculation in Kind”. In Otto Neurath Economic Writings Selections 1904–1945. Vienna Circle Collection, vol 23. Wiesbaden: Springer:
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/1-4020-2274-3_14
Barone, E. 2012. “THE MINISTRY OF PRODUCTION IN THE COLLECTIVIST STATE”. Giornale Degli Economisti e Annali Di Economia, 71(Anno 125)(2/3): 75–112:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/43828055
D. Dickinson. 1933. “Price Formation in a Socialist Community”. The Economic Journal, Volume 43, Issue 170, 1 June 1933: 237–250:
https://academic.oup.com/ej/article-abstract/43/170/237/5267408?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Marx, Karl. 1887. "Capital Volume I". marxists.org:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf
Marx. Karl. 1878. "Capital Volume II". marxists.org:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/index.htm
Free online courses by David Harvey "Reading Marx's Capital":
http://davidharvey.org/reading-capital/
Other historical voices (selection):
Schumpeter, Joseph A. Capitalism. 1976. Socialism and Democracy. London: Routledge. Full book:
https://eet.pixel-online.org/files/etranslation/original/Schumpeter,%20Capitalism,%20Socialism%20and%20Democracy.pdf
Socialist Calculation Debate 2.0
Saros, Daniel E. 2014. Information Technology and Socialist Construction – The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism. London: Routledge:
https://www.routledge.com/Information-Technology-and-Socialist-Construction-The-End-of-Capital-and/Saros/p/book/9780415742924
Cockshott, Paul and Allin Cottrell. 2000. Towards a new socialism. Nottingham: Russell Press. Full book:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf
Phillips, Leigh and Michal Rozworski. 2019. The People’s Republic of Walmart. London: Verso:
https://www.versobooks.com/books/2822-the-people-s-republic-of-walmart
Morozov, Evgeny. 2019. "Digital Socialism?". New Left Review vol. 116/117:
https://newleftreview.org/issues/II116/articles/evgeny-morozov-digital-socialism
Spufford, Francis. 2010. Red Plenty. London: Faber and Faber. (novel):
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6481280-red-plenty
Dyer-Witheford, Nick. 2013. "Red Plenty Platforms". Culture Machine vol. 14:
https://culturemachine.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/511-1153-1-PB.pdf
Fuchs, Christina (Hg.). 2020. Communicative Socialism/Digital Socialism. tripleC: Communication, Capitalism & Critique 18 (1): 1-285:
https://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/1149
Phillips, Leigh and Michal Rozworski. 2019. "Yes, a Planned Economy Can Actually Work". Jacobin Magazine:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/03/economic-planning-walmart-democracy-socialism
Malloy, Michael. 2019. "Economic Planning and Degrowth: How Socialism Survives the 21st Century". New Socialist:
https://newsocialist.org.uk/economic-planning-and-degrowth/
additional shownotes
Wiki Ayn Rand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
Curtis, Adam. 2011. All watched over by machines of loving grace. London: BBC:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x60xjdl
Wiki on "zero-knowledge proofs":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
Willoughby, John. 2017. “Book Review: Information Technology and Socialist Construction: The End of Capital and the Transition to Socialism”. In Review of Radical Political Economics vol. 50(2): 427- 443:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0486613416665833
Redecker, v. Eva. "Refiguring Revolution. A new Theory of Radical Change". Essay. Academia.edu (zuletzt abgerufen Dezember 2021):
https://www.academia.edu/39903778/Refiguring_Revolution._A_Critical_Theory_of_Social_Transformation_introduction_and_content_table_transl._by_Lucy_Duggan_
Hahnel, Robin und Michael Albert. 1991. The Political Economy of Participatory Economics. Princeton: Princeton University Press:
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691003849/the-political-economy-of-participatory-economics
If you like Future Histories, you can support the show on Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/join/FutureHistories?
Write me via [email protected] and join the discussion on Twitter (#FutureHistories):
https://twitter.com/FutureHpodcast
or on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/FutureHistories/
www.futurehistories.today
Episode Keywords:
#FutureHistories, #Podcast, #DanielSaros, #JanGroos, #Interview, #Planwirtschaft, #Society, #Democracy, #Communism, #Planarchy, #SocialistCalculationDebate, #Hayek, #Marx, #KarlMarx, #PlanningDebate, #DigitalSocialism, #Socialism, #PlannedEconomy, #AssociationalSocialism, #DemocraticPlanning, #Revolution, #HeterodoxEconomics, #Marxism, #Parecon, #RobinHahnel, #MichaelAlbert, #FutureHistoriesInternational,
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