We interviewed Sabas Joosten, Head Sommelier at De Librije, a Three Michelin Star restaurant in Zwolle, The Netherlands.  De Librije has consistently been considered one of the top 50 restaurants in the world for many years, taking particular pride in its wine pairing for the tasting menu.  We ask Sabas about the Dutch market, how to make sustainable profit in the on-trade, how to curate a wine list for top end food, how a Coravin wine list works and what they have done to 'pivot' during lockdown.