In this week’s episode of The Mindfully Masculine Podcast, Charles and Dan dive into Steven Bartlett’s most-viewed Diary of a CEO interview — his conversation with Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power.

What starts as a look at Greene’s ideas on seduction, confidence, and power turns into a bigger exploration of what really drives human behavior. Charles and Dan unpack the tension between authenticity and performance, confidence and insecurity, attraction and manipulation. They discuss the fine line between influence and deceit — and why the word seduction can mean either self-mastery or self-deception, depending on the intent behind it.

The conversation also moves beyond power dynamics into addiction, codependence, and vulnerability — including how chasing validation can become its own form of addiction, and why genuine confidence has to be built, not performed.

Topics include:

• Why “seduction” can feel manipulative — and how Greene tries to reframe it
• The difference between cultivating attraction and playing games
• Power as self-control vs. control over others
• The role of confidence, competence, and comfort in your own skin
• Masks, roles, and authenticity in modern life
• How addiction and codependence mirror our search for control
• What real strength looks like in relationships and leadership

If you’ve ever wondered where healthy confidence ends and manipulation begins, this episode offers a nuanced take on the psychology of power, presence, and connection.

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