It’s the third of four special episodes dedicated to the London International Horse Show at Excel, and who doesn’t love the sight of small furry ponies racing around the arena? The Shetland Pony Grand National is an institution in its own right, and delights audiences every year. In this episode, Katie and Tania chat to Sebastian Garner, the man behind the Shetland Pony Grand National, and ex-jockey Claudia Groves about how it shaped her journey with horses.

Tania talks elbows and getting stains out of white jods, while Katie’s husband joins the duo to share his expertise on making delicious mulled wine.

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