What do Cole Hatter and Brad Lea both have in common? The desire to force-multipliers of good in the world.

“If you’re not giving back, you’re going to go out of business,” both agree.

Cole is a writer, award-winning speaker, and entrepreneur chats with Brad Lea about his annual conference, Thrive. Inspired by the success of Tom’s, the footwear company that makes headlines with their philanthropic business model, Thrive teaches entrepreneurs how to make their money matter.

How to get big enough that your wealth can help others? Check out Brad and Cole’s stories of “making it,” and the struggle it took to get there in this episode of Dropping Bombs.