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We’ve all heard the saying: winners never quit and quitters never win. But what if it turns out they do? In this episode, Kristen is joined by two fearless guests who are reshaping the way we think about quitting.

First, she sits down with Annie Duke, a former professional poker player, bestselling author, and sought after consultant in the decision-making space. Throughout her career, Annie has achieved great success by knowing when to walk away — her $4 million in tournament winnings certainly proves that! Annie shares her unconventional wisdom about quitting, and why having the courage to do it can help us reach our goals faster.

Later in the episode, you’ll hear from Esther Mireya Tejeda, Chief Marketing Officer at Anywhere Real Estate Inc. She talks about not being afraid to pivot away from ideas that aren’t working and try new things in order to transform companies into the best versions of themselves.

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Annie Duke: Former Professional Poker Player, Decision-Making Strategist, and Author

Esther Mireya Tejeda: Chief Marketing Officer at Anywhere Real Estate Inc.

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This week, Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers talk about the Trump Organization’s tax fraud conviction, why workers at The New York Times went on strike and ChatGPT, a shockingly articulate AI chatbot.

In the Plus segment: How to tackle holiday gifting.

Podcast production by Anna Phillips.

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Artificial intelligence is growing in leaps and bounds, and everywhere from Big Tech companies like Google to small teams like OpenAI are developing more and more convincing chatbots. Is the world ready for convincing, talking computers? 

Guest: Alex Kantrowitz, host of the Big Technology podcast.

Host: Emily Peck

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The Biden administration’s Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are both staffed with accomplished progressives who are proving more aggressive than their predecessors in either the Trump or Obama eras. But can Big Tech be tamed?

Guest: Leah Nylen, reporter for Bloomberg News 

Host: Lizzie O’Leary

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This week, Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers talk about the CEO shakeup at Disney, shrinkflation, and Sam Bankman-Fried’s unusual post-scandal media appearances.

In the Plus segment: the controversy over Balenciaga’s new ad campaign.

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Dating back to the Arab Spring, Twitter’s potential for real-time organizing has been a selling point. But trying to find information on China’s “Zero COVID” protests reveals just how vulnerable the now-understaffed platform is to manipulation.

Guest: Joseph Menn, cybersecurity reporter for the Washington Post. 

Host: Lizzie O’Leary

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Victor’s job—at its core—is to change the world. But he feels like he’s plateaued within his large humanitarian and development organization, and is now on the verge of jumping ship. On this episode of How To!, Annie Duke, author of Quit: The Power Of Knowing When to Walk Away, helps Victor decide if he should recommit to his current job or move on to something else. She explains the cognitive biases that prevent us from quitting and reveals why most of us quit things far too late. 

If you liked this episode, check out: “How To Uproot Your Life.”

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The option to “buy now and pay later” over installments exploded over the past two years, thanks to people being flush with stimulus cash and shopping online during the pandemic. But is this new, underregulated industry a useful line of credit or another path into debt?

Guest: Paulina Cachero, personal finance reporter for Bloomberg.

Host: Lizzie O’Leary

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 This week, Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers are joined by New York Times Magazine writer and Fleishman is in Trouble author Taffy Brodesser-Akner to talk about wealth, class and the media industry, specifically through the lens of the Fleishman is in Trouble book and new limited TV series.

In the Plus segment: what is everyone thankful for this Thanksgiving?

Podcast production by Anna Phillips.

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After decades as America’s booming industry, tens of thousands of tech workers have been laid off in November alone. Is the venture-capital, low-interest-rate wind leaving the sails temporary or is this the end of the hunt for “the next big thing?”

Guest: Timothy B. Lee, reporter for Full Stack Economics covering labor markets, technology, and housing.

Host: Lizzie O’Leary

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