In July 2023, Spain took over the presidency of the council of the European Union, the first transfer of this position since the introduction of de-risking into the bloc’s relationship with China. Johannes Heller-John talks with Mario Esteban, full professor at the Centre for East Asian Studies of the Autonomous University of Madrid and Senior Analyst at the Elcano Royal Institute, about the Spanish-China relationship, the role of China during Spain’s Council Presidency and the Agenda of the upcoming EU-China Summit. Together with his colleague Hugo Armanini, Mario wrote the chapter on Spain in this year’s report by the European Think-tank Network on China (ETNC).