No Way Out

Spatial Web + Active Inference: Beyond LLMs | Dan Mapes


Listen Later

Send us a text

 🌐 **Spatial Web + Active Inference = Intelligent Planet**  
  Dan Mapes (Versus AI, Spatial Web Foundation) joins *No Way Out* to **destroy LLM myths** and reveal **FEP-powered 3D web**


What if the web didn’t just host pages—it hosted intelligence? We sit down with Dan Mapes, director of the Spatial Web Foundation and co-founder of Verses AI, to unpack how a shared protocol, digital twins, and Active Inference could turn today’s internet into a living, learning fabric that understands space, time, and context. Instead of one giant model, imagine thousands of expert AIs—cardiology, ports, power grids—each built by domain leaders, all interoperable and discoverable like websites. That’s not hype; it’s a shift from a 2D information web to a 3D web of intelligence.

We explore Karl Friston's Free Energy Principle and Active Inference with real-world stakes: energy efficiency closer to brains than data centers, autonomous decisions that don’t break when the world changes, and robotics that adapt without million-dollar pre-training. Dan explains how world models evolve through sensing and action, why protocols matter more than monoliths, and how decentralization enables hyper‑local solutions that still plug into a global network. From OODA to flow, meditation to geometry, we connect the mental models behind invention with the engineering that makes it durable.

The implications are huge: smart cities that coordinate in real time, supply chains that sense and respond, and a path from LLM content tools to embodied, autonomous systems. We also talk culture and economics—why abundance eases control, how institutions adapt like they did after the printing

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

Flow Learning Lab

Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast
Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation

Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:
https://www.aglx.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsulting
https://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandrivera
https://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccrone

Stay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.
Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch:

The No Bell Podcast Episode 24
...

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

No Way OutBy Mark McGrath and Brian "Ponch" Rivera

  • 4.6
  • 4.6
  • 4.6
  • 4.6
  • 4.6

4.6

39 ratings


More shows like No Way Out

View all
EconTalk by Russ Roberts

EconTalk

4,261 Listeners

Jocko Podcast by Jocko DEFCOR Network

Jocko Podcast

30,804 Listeners

War on the Rocks by Ryan Evans

War on the Rocks

1,070 Listeners

The Fifth Column by Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch

The Fifth Column

2,880 Listeners

Modern War Institute by Modern War Institute at West Point

Modern War Institute

768 Listeners

The Proceedings Podcast by U.S. Naval Institute

The Proceedings Podcast

211 Listeners

Modern Wisdom by Chris Williamson

Modern Wisdom

3,938 Listeners

DarkHorse Podcast by Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

DarkHorse Podcast

5,316 Listeners

Urban Warfare Project by John Spencer

Urban Warfare Project

227 Listeners

GoodFellows: Conversations from the Hoover Institution by Hoover Institution

GoodFellows: Conversations from the Hoover Institution

689 Listeners

Irregular Warfare Podcast by Irregular Warfare Initiative

Irregular Warfare Podcast

404 Listeners

School of War by Nebulous Media

School of War

471 Listeners

Honestly with Bari Weiss by The Free Press

Honestly with Bari Weiss

8,703 Listeners

The Foreign Affairs Interview by Foreign Affairs Magazine

The Foreign Affairs Interview

449 Listeners

The Winston Marshall Show by Winston Marshall

The Winston Marshall Show

431 Listeners