Welcome to The Trade Talks Podcast, where we celebrate the blue-collar trades and everything they stand for! Join us every other Saturday for the Trade Talks Podcast and every Wednesday from 3-4 PM for the Trade Talks Live as we dive into national news, review trade websites, and share tips on mindset growth to help you succeed. Don't miss this hour of insights, inspiration, and practical advice!

n this episode of The Trade, Roger Wakefield sits down with a seasoned plumber who went from the mortgage industry to the trades out of necessity—and built a career that led him to serve on the Texas plumbing board, influence regulations, and help grow a successful business. They dive into: Starting a plumbing career later in life (and why it's NOT too late) The reality of working your way from apprentice to master plumber How a family plumbing business grew into a high-revenue operation The difference between transactional vs. relationship-based service How plumbers can earn $100K–$175K+ (and what it really takes) Why soft skills and communication matter just as much as technical ability Behind-the-scenes insights into plumbing laws, licensing, and the Texas board The truth about tunneling, training, and the future of the trade If you've ever thought about leaving a desk job for the trades—or you're already in plumbing and want to level up—this conversation is packed with real-world insight you won't hear anywhere else.

👉 Whether you're 20 or 50, this episode proves it's never too late to build a successful career in the skilled trades.