John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a younger person and tells us about the time a man took his wife on a balloon ride 11 miles up.

Plus, a conversation about the death of nuance, and why the internet has turned our conversations into shouting matches.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Walking Shoes: "Just as expensive as running shoes, but you get to go slower".

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