Every season, a few interviews need just a bit more space than we can fit into our regular format. When the full interview can't fit into one hour, we catch up in between seasons to give an unedited conversation.

Originally released as part of "The Future of Test Scores", we had so much more to share from our conversation with Kristoffer Toribio, Manager of International Admissions at Orange Coast College in Costa Mesa, California, and Past President of International ACAC. During this extended interview, he weighs in on the international perspective, the right of passage the tests have become, and the role of tests in the rising direct admissions options.