Every season, a few interviews need just a bit more space than we can fit into our regular format. When the full interview can't fit into one hour, we catch up in between seasons to give an unedited conversation.

Originally released as part of "The Future of Test Scores", we had so much more to share from our conversation with Perry Robinson, Happily Retired School Counselor, and Vice President for Enrollment, and Past President of Wisconsin ACAC, who talks about the history of the test-optional movement, weights test-optional and test-blind policies, and discusses how families are reacting to these changes.