Do you remember the age of surf mags? Before social media took over, magazines were the primary way to stay in the loop of what was happening in the surf world. In this conversation, Holly and Sunshine Makarow, a former competitive surfer who helped develop women's surf media, chat about Sunshine's professional life as well as her reflection of women's representation in surfing over the years. After surfing professionally in the late 90s, Makarow launched Surf Life for Women, a magazine that pushed for women to be at the forefront of surf media and be recognized more for their talent and less for their sex appeal.

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Episodes produced and edited by Emma Roggenkamp.