Older & Wilder

Election Whiplash, Running Fuel, and Finally Getting an Estate Plan

Joy and Claire discuss the aftermath of a “crazy” election week. They reflect on how podcasting affects confidence and self-perception, then pivot to aging and skincare, including face taping/sleep wrinkles, Botox, and “smoothies.” They share upcoming travel and holiday plans, plus updates from a Peru WhatsApp group about vicuña textiles. Conversation turns to running goals, trail-race training, fueling and chafing lessons, and using “We Run That” audio coaching. Finally, they celebrate meeting an estate planner to set up trusts/wills, update parents’ documents, and discuss executor choices and state-specific trust updates.

00:00 Welcome Back and Election Week

01:16 Voting in Utah vs Colorado

02:16 Social Media and Division

03:14 Targeted Ads and District Maps

05:02 Map Daddy Kornacki Moment

06:29 Podcasting Confidence and Editing

08:29 Hearing Your Own Voice

10:40 Aging Faces and Facelift Talk

12:53 Frownies and Sleep Skincare Hacks

15:25 Thanksgiving Plans and Family Updates

16:40 Mexico Road Trip and Border Crossing

18:17 Peru WhatsApp and Vicuña Heirlooms

20:41 NYC Marathon and Moab Race Plans

23:41 Marathon Mental Blocks

24:42 Fueling Women Runners

26:18 Skinny Fat Stigma

27:17 CrossFit Split Training

28:12 Turning 50 Marathon Dream

29:09 Trail 15K Training Plan

30:12 Accidental Eight Miles

32:08 Gels And Hydration

34:38 Chafing And Gear Lessons

35:20 Run That Audio Coaching

36:28 Estate Planning Wins

41:35 Trust Mistakes To Avoid

45:18 Election Meme Reality Check

45:50 Preteen Deodorant Talk

47:04 Vaccine Week Aftermath

47:57 Wrap Up And Goodbye

Heidi Klum’s Severed Hand, ADHD Pumpkin Hyperfixation, and Bracing for the Time Change

Joy and Claire recap Halloween, daylight savings, and celebrity costumes. They discuss fatigue with headlines about celebrities’ changing faces and the culture of cosmetic procedures. They share Halloween parenting realities, including last-minute costume changes, and describe joyful neighborhood trick-or-treating and small-town celebrations. Claire details a stressful website rebrand launch plus upcoming travel and plans for Miles’ birthday party in Grand Junction. They talk decorating ambitions and a broken giant skeleton rehomed via Facebook Marketplace. They request family-friendly Las Vegas restaurant tips and discuss coping with seasonal darkness, SAD lights, mindfulness, and winter reframes, plus running gear and workouts. They briefly update Bake Off, praising Nigella, and share where to follow the show.

00:00 November Catch Up

00:33 Heidi Klum Hand Costume

02:52 Celebrity Face Tweaks

05:05 Zoom Mirror Effect

06:03 Kids Halloween Costume Drama

09:13 Neighborhood Trick Or Treating

11:58 Birthday Party Marathon

12:40 Rebrand Launch Scramble

14:33 Holiday Rush Reality

15:52 Decorating Plans And Bones

19:44 Permanent Lights Sticker Shock

20:51 One Year In New Town

22:06 Holiday Decor Timing

22:27 Halloween Cleanup Blues

23:20 Thanksgiving Travel Plans

23:59 ADHD Spouse Detour

25:22 Butter Pumpkin Saga

29:52 Quirks Both Ways

32:49 Couples Therapy Wisdom

34:30 Vegas Food Recs

35:06 Election Day Check In

35:57 Daylight Savings Shift

39:01 Winter Running Plans

40:26 Gear Talk Nike Kiger

41:06 Run Coach and Treadmill

42:10 Wrap Up and Bake Off

Feedback Forms, Miles Turns 11, and Unsponsored Favorites

Joy and Claire share a playful marriage “feedback forms” idea and Claire’s deal with Brandon to grow her hair until her 40th birthday. They compare cleanliness habits and celebrate Miles turning 11, reflecting on how hard the early parenting years were for Claire due to postpartum depression, contrasted with how fun elementary years feel now. Claire describes running with Miles and they plug Synergy’s upcoming rebrand, voting, Halloween candy and “you don’t have to earn your treats,” skincare products, recent movies, and an Aesop room spray gift tip.

00:00 Hat Day Catch Up

00:35 Hair Deal With Brandon

01:42 Marriage Feedback Forms

02:31 Dusty Cars And Dog Hair

05:45 Miles Turns Eleven

08:14 Running With Miles

09:38 Calf Cramp And Shoe Trouble

15:23 Work Rebrand And Supplements

18:10 ButcherBox And Grocery Costs

20:29 Voting And Halloween Season

22:40 No Need To Earn Candy

24:48 Favorite Candy And Trick Or Treaters

25:32 Neighborhood Group Chat

26:04 Halloween Street Party Plans

26:25 Suitcase Walk Comedy

28:34 Favorite Halloween Candy

29:22 Dog Safety Chocolate Grapes

31:03 Vet Influencer Skincare Talk

31:49 Face Masks Frownies Smoothies

34:39 Movie Sequels Chat

38:53 Australia Souvenirs Aesop Spray

42:14 Running Shoes Toenail Drama

46:12 Wrap Up And Listener Requests

A Whirlwind Portugal Work Trip, Jet Lag Adventures, and Life Updates from Moab

Joy and Claire catch up on recent life events. Joy shares a whirlwind work trip to Porto, Portugal and intense jet lag despite trying the Time Shifter app. She recounts sightseeing, great Portuguese food (including egg custard pastries), a port tasting, and a late-night misadventure walking three miles back to the hotel. Claire updates on family visits in Moab, Utah travel tips about weak mixed drinks, Miles turning 11 with major growth, Halloween costumes, their Mexico Thanksgiving road trip plans, landlord updates on their Longmont tenants and heavy Moab rain canceling the Moab 240 race.

00:00 Welcome Back Check In

01:35 Portugal Trip Reveal

03:21 Acquisition Culture Shock

04:35 Jet Lag Survival Tools

07:03 Porto Sightseeing Day

07:35 Nausea Dinner Disaster

09:26 Three Mile Walk Home

11:09 Late Dinners Work Grind

13:44 Food Markets And Port

16:56 Sardines 101 Tips

19:13 Harry Potter Bookstore

21:52 Homecoming Dog Stories

26:43 Utah Visitors And Travel Tips

28:00 Utah Pour Spouts

28:56 Moab Travel Tips

29:08 Soccer Weekend Recap

29:33 Miles Growth Spurt

30:56 Birthday Plans Rec Center

31:40 Halloween Costume Builds

35:23 One Year in Moab

37:19 Road Trips and Baja Plans

39:47 Renting Out Longmont House

42:11 Moab Schools and Safety

45:56 Moab 240 Flooded Race

47:48 Bake Off Delay and Signoff

Opting Out of Nutrition Insanity with EC Synkowski

https://optimizemenutrition.com/podcast/agoodnutritionbook/

Joy and Claire welcome back nutrition coach EC Synkowski (Optimize Me Nutrition), creator of the 800 Gram Challenge and author of A Good Nutrition Book, to discuss escaping fear-based, overly optimized diet culture shaped by CrossFit, paleo, and macro tracking. EC shares her past disordered eating and argues most people—“the worried well”—need fewer rules and less obsession, focusing instead on practical, sustainable basics and validated health markers like cardiovascular risk. She explains her approach and three pillars method: start with 800 grams of fruits and vegetables daily without restriction, then add adequate protein (about 0.7 g per pound, often 100–120 g), and finally address calories with minimal deficits starting from current intake for long-term adherence and enjoyment. They also discuss genetics, avoiding transformation-photo marketing, and simplifying meals with repeatable foods like beans and potatoes.

00:00 Welcome Back And Guest Intro

02:38 EC Origin Story And Diet Rabbit Holes

06:51 Optimization Culture And The Worried Well

08:36 Simple Rules Of The Road

15:25 Three Pillars And 800 Gram Challenge

17:08 Protein Hype And Practical Targets

19:14 Calories For Sustainability

20:39 Breaking Food Rules And Trusting Your Body

24:25 Stop Overoptimizing Diet

25:06 Why Simple Advice Fails

25:29 Rules vs Intuitive Eating

26:54 Letting Go of Tracking

29:20 Protocol Culture and Control

31:24 Influencers Genetics Reality

34:48 800 Gram Daily Basics

36:14 Repeat Meals Decision Fatigue

39:08 Beans and Potato Satiety

42:32 Wrap Up and Where to Find

Lindsay Lohan’s Comeback, Florida Pool Days, and Pop Culture Rabbit Holes

Joy and Claire chat about October 3rd pop-culture nods and Lindsay Lohan’s comeback. They discuss Ted Lasso’s new storyline, unseasonably warm fall weather, and work updates. Claire recaps a Florida trip to Bradenton/Anna Maria Island with lots of kid pool time, a touristy date-night dinner, an aquarium visit with manatees, and seafood. They also cover running gear and headphones, Act+Acre hair products, early Botox trends, Madonna’s butt implants, Kim and Khloé Kardashian impressions, Taylor Swift’s new “Showgirl/Encore” songs and videos, decluttering keepsakes, and Claire planning her 20th high school reunion.

MAGNESIUM

00:00 October 3rd Pop Culture

00:41 Lindsay Lohan Comeback

03:39 Ted Lasso Catch Up

04:49 Autumn Mindfulness

05:29 Magnesium Work Talk

07:38 Florida Pool Vacation

11:32 Seafood Travel Cravings

13:18 Japan Trip Planning

14:18 Headphones Running Update

15:13 Haircare Act and Acre

17:19 Hair Serum vs Mousse

17:33 Botox at 19 Debate

19:04 Madonna Butt Implants

21:00 Good Hang and Kardashians

24:11 Taylor Showgirl Backlash

34:20 Running Gear Optimization

37:01 Gross Keepsakes and Hoarding

40:53 High School Reunion Drama

45:41 Wrap Up and Bake Off Plans

Aging Out of Fucks: Midlife Brain Shifts

Joy and Claire discuss upcoming travel and Claire shares enjoying runs guided by a British-accented DJ coach, switching her weightlifting to evenings for convenience, and the great on-ear headphones review. They talk about Joy's Santa Fe anniversary trip and a Big Thief concert with incredible people-watching and praise for lead singer Adrianne Lenker’s musicianship. They then unpack Ellen Schur’s “Aging Out of Fucks,” linking midlife hormonal/neurological changes to reduced people-pleasing, less self-censorship, energy prioritization, authenticity, and social stigma around women being “difficult.”

00:00 Welcome and Drinks Chat

01:25 Needy Dogs Take Over

04:27 Dog Boarding Moab Dilemma

06:53 Travel Plans Florida Trip

07:44 Night Workouts and Running

09:56 Sleep Guilt and Chronotypes

16:05 Running Gear and Pop Culture

17:38 Santa Fe Anniversary Concert

20:01 Haircut Appointment Drama

21:33 Aging Out of Fucks Explained

31:57 Work Filters and Authenticity

38:28 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Estate Planning Part 2: Wills, Trusts, LGBTQ Families, and Picking the Right Attorney (with Zach Anderson)

Joy and Claire welcome back Zach Anderson for a Part 2 focused on listener questions. He explains how to “fire” an attorney, how attorneys may withdraw from clients, and what to look for in a divorce lawyer—especially communication, proactivity, and balancing negotiation with litigation costs. The conversation covers confirmatory/stepparent adoptions in reciprocal IVF situations, legal barriers for trans birth-certificate sex changes requiring surgery in Nebraska, and how legal change often comes through private practice. Zach defines guardianships and conservatorships, stressing planning to avoid burdening others. They compare wills, trusts, and transfer-on-death deeds, emphasize updating beneficiaries, and offer ways to start estate-planning conversations with parents.

00:00 Welcome Back Zach

02:02 Quadplex With Friends

04:00 Neutral Third Parties

05:25 Firing Your Attorney

09:09 Divorcing An Attorney

10:37 Choosing Divorce Counsel

16:10 Reciprocal IVF Adoption

19:47 Trans Name Change Barriers

24:15 Changing Law From Within

25:56 Doing Good Doing Well

26:57 When Cases Escalate

27:27 Costs and Client Counseling

30:32 Guardianships Explained

31:34 Moral vs Legal Duty

36:02 Wills Trusts and TOD Deeds

37:36 Beneficiaries and Special Needs

40:55 Custom Plans Not Templates

42:59 Unequal Inheritances Talk It Out

45:31 How to Talk to Parents

47:19 Messy Now or Messier Later

51:36 Wrap Up and Where to Follow

Joy and Claire catch up after Joy’s birthday weekend, which included friends, cupcakes and IKEA closets. They discuss decluttering excess clothes and shoes and Scott’s “optimization” impulse leading him to gift Claire Shokz open-ear running headphones. Updates include a permitted Arches hike, an upcoming Santa Fe anniversary trip to see Big Thief, quick-fire Q&A on small purchases, fitness and running, Bake Off podcast plans, recharging tips, brow products for thinning brows, and excitement for Halloween and an Elizabeth Holmes documentary; Ilona Maher likes their Instagram post.

00:00 Welcome Back Birthday Haze

01:05 Magnesium Sleep Wins

01:56 New Closet Delivery Day

03:04 Watching The Delivery Grind

05:36 DIY Drawers And Frames

07:29 Dimitri The Tasker

09:41 Meet Gino Handyman Hero

13:17 Closet Costs And Clutter

16:05 Decluttering Shoes And Sales

18:03 Running Influencer Headphones

19:57 Scott Wants To Optimize

21:45 Small Ears Tragus Problem

22:48 Scott’s Headphone Obsession

24:48 Ilona Maher Likes the Post

25:31 Arches Permit Hike Recap

27:27 Machu Picchu Family Bits

28:27 Santa Fe Trip and Quickfire

29:05 Under $50 Favorites

30:10 Fitness and Running Plans

31:56 Bake Off Podcast Returns

33:08 Ghost Haunting Picks

34:21 Recharge and Brow Tips

36:54 Tiny Joys and Fall Treats

39:06 Wrap Up and Where to Find Us

Joy Turns 49, Lila's Release, and Midlife Mindset Resets

On Joy’s 49th birthday episode of Older and Wilder, Joy and Claire reflect on years of podcasting, privacy in the internet age, and September nostalgia. Joy shares a major update about Lilas. They discuss the emotional toll of puppy raising, current dog life with River, Haynes, and new puppy McCoy. Joy talks about recent body dysmorphia, balancing rest vs pushing through, nervous-system reset, training for a Moab trail race, and Delia’s nostalgia at Target.

00:00 Birthday Kickoff

00:57 Privacy And Cybersecurity

03:26 Manitou Birthday Plans

04:10 September Nostalgia

05:56 High School Sports Memories

07:33 Gary Amber And Pella

10:34 Leela Released From Training

13:07 Adopting Leela To Friends

18:04 Puppy Raising Reality Check

20:28 Dog Quirks And Car Chaos

24:55 McCoy The Prom King Pup

26:26 Hormonal Body Dysmorphia

27:41 Posting Versus Talking

30:53 Breaking Restriction Spirals

32:39 Fitness Influencer Pressure

36:07 Rest Versus Hustle

38:45 Nervous System Reset Hacks

40:25 Rules for Real Recovery

45:57 Bougie Gym Master Plan

47:33 Moab Trail Race Prep

50:23 Delias Target Nostalgia

52:25 Wrap Up and Goodbye