Haircuts, Rec Center Workouts, a Bozeman Concert, and Remembering Chris Moore

Joy and Claire catch up on Claire's new haircut, including a subtle side undercut meant as a low-maintenance nod to her former mullet, and her small-town Moab salon experience. They discuss how making friends in a new town can hinge on community spaces. Joy commits to the rec center, explores the weight room, and embraces fun classes like BodyPump rather than rigid “should” rules about fitness. Joy shares gardening projects as a coping outlet, her interest in quirky workouts like Kangoo Jumps, and a question about Trader Joe’s small talk. Updates include a new puppy-raising dog, McCoy, Moab’s sudden heat and the dogs’ sunbathing, a Montana trip to Bozeman for a Marcus Mumford concert disrupted by very drunk attendees, upcoming travel and Pride event help in Lincoln, and a reflection on the 10-year anniversary of Barbell Shrugged host Chris Moore’s sudden death and the impact of their final interview.

00:00 Welcome and No Chat

00:36 New Haircut and Undercut

01:25 Mullet Nostalgia and Styling

03:41 Peloton Hair Inspiration

04:40 Moab Salon Behind Gelato

05:53 Small Town Friend Talk Bagels

08:10 No Church Get a Gym

09:51 Rec Center Weight Room Return

13:26 Workout Rules and Stacy Sims

16:18 Gardening Soreness and Aging

17:48 Kangoo Jumps and Fitness Fads

19:05 Trader Joe's Small Talk

21:08 McCoy the New Puppy

22:24 New Puppy Vibes

23:00 Moab Summer Heat

23:39 Dogs Sunbathing

25:00 Turf Yard Update

25:33 Bozeman Trip Recap

28:35 Concert Crowd Chaos

31:21 Travel Plans Ahead

32:15 Nebraska Pride Weekend

33:48 Taylor Wedding Rumors

35:26 Swiftie Easter Eggs

39:04 Remembering Chris Moore

44:15 Wrap Up and Goodbye

A ’90s Party, AI Anxiety, and an Unexpected Brushfire Bust

Joy and Claire chat about the fast passage of time, a full moon, and Claire’s ’90s outfit for a decades-themed 40th birthday party—complete with butterfly clips, a choker and mini backpack borrowed from her daughter—sparking nostalgia about music, school routines, and teen insecurities. They discuss aging and appearance pressures amplified by phones, Zoom, Botox, facelifts, and celebrity standards, plus skepticism about gurus after a flawed Stacey Sims hydration take. The conversation turns to AI: fears, a papal critique, productivity benefits, data-center controversies, and how AI accelerates workplace expectations. Claire shares a Moab encounter with an engineer connected to the James Webb Space Telescope, highlighting creativity in STEM. Joy recounts spotting and reporting an arsonist starting a brush fire near I-25, leading to an arrest. They close with product notes (Act&Acre hard water shampoo, sun gloves, ORLY breathable polish, Ilia SPF skin tint).

00:00 Welcome and June Time Warp

00:53 Full Moon and 40th Party

01:21 Clueless Outfit Breakdown

03:50 Reunions and Disposable Cameras

06:10 90s Bedrooms and Bunk Beds

07:46 90s Routines and Hair Hacks

10:02 Chumbawamba Grasslands Story

11:13 Teen Insecurities Then Now

13:20 Mirrors Phones and Zoom Face

16:02 Facelifts Ozempic and Gurus

18:18 Hydration Myth and Electrolytes

19:45 Commercialization and GLP-1 Talk

20:30 Pharma Ads Culture Shock

21:15 AI Anxiety and The Pope

22:47 AI at Work and Data Centers

27:35 Moab Ice Cream NASA Encounter

34:55 Arsonist Spotted and 911 Call

41:23 Rec Center Fitness Reset

42:37 Products and Pet Peeves

47:41 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Memorial Day Plans, Jellycat Shopping, and the GLP-1 Cultural Debate

Joy and Claire catch up over Memorial Day weekend, sharing family activities in Moab, recurring McDonald’s order mishaps, an e-bike picnic, paddleboarding plans, and a quick Arizona trip for a friend’s daughter’s high school graduation. They discuss the cliquey dynamics of making friends in a Utah town with a strong LDS subculture plus humorous travel stories including a seatmate chewing tobacco on a plane. A highlight is Scott’s Chicago shopping spree at a Jellycat store, buying a sold-out grumpy turtle for Miles. They then address Instagram responses about GLP-1 medications, emphasizing benefits for metabolic health while criticizing cultural trends toward extreme weight loss, unsafe normalization, marketing, and stigma. They end with favorite products: Theraface red-light mask, ILIA makeup, and the Intake nose opener.

00:00 Memorial Day Catchup

00:34 Makeup At 7 AM

01:05 McDonalds Order Chaos

03:02 Park Picnic And Paddleboard

03:40 Arizona Graduation Trip

05:46 Hibachi And Choir Memories

08:29 Mormon Town Culture Shock

10:52 Making Friends In Moab

14:02 Jellycat Store Adventure

20:59 Library Pets And Dog Tales

23:21 Brandon Phone Jump Scares

24:19 Gross Plane Seatmate Story

25:47 Travel Brings Out Weirdness

28:26 Short Person Overhead Bag Hack

29:21 GLP-1 Nuance Not Judgment

33:51 Culture Shift Toward Waif Era

38:27 Health First Not Weight Loss

40:17 Marketing Profits and Safety Concerns

44:27 Vitamins Malnutrition and Hair Loss

45:57 Favorite Products and Wrap Up

Blue Otter Financial Planning:

Joy and Claire welcome back Lenet Rivas to discuss her new business, Blue Otter Financial Planning, launched after a layoff and inspired by conversations at a Surf with Amigas retreat. Lenet shares her background in financial aid at Emory, then Fidelity and investment management, and explains leaving product- and target-driven models to offer flat-fee planning for people—especially women—who don’t meet typical $500K asset minimums. They discuss consolidating scattered old employer 401(k)s into an IRA, aligning investments with risk tolerance and time horizon, and how target-date funds often default people into mismatched allocations; Joy describes gaining confidence, discovering a pension, and improving results after adjusting investments. The episode also covers money shame, patriarchy in finance, spending vs. saving mindset, and practical questions to ask parents about estate plans, accounts, and wills.

00:00 Meet Lenet and Blue Otter

01:19 From Taxes to Entrepreneurship

04:15 The Retreat Seed and Layoff Leap

06:51 Traveling While Building the Plan

09:40 Who Blue Otter Serves

13:33 Joy’s Account Consolidation Win

15:28 Money Fear and the KFC Analogy

22:01 Fixing Default 401k Investments

27:05 Target Date Funds vs ETFs

28:22 Confidence to Manage Your 401k

29:13 Fix Your 401k Mix

29:42 Shame And Money Talk

31:28 Beating The Patriarchy

33:20 From Saving To Spending

36:16 Facing The Real Numbers

40:37 Family Money Planning

42:26 Questions For Parents

47:39 How To Work Together

49:50 Why Blue Otter

52:18 Coffee Cart Dreams

53:58 Where To Find Lenet

54:22 Final Wrap And Goodbye

Mother’s Day on the Green River, Moab Race Meetup, and Puppy Turn-In Updates

Joy and Claire chat about early wake-ups, airline announcements, and pilot “too much detail” stories. They share Mother’s Day plans to float the Green River “Daily” near Moab and discuss refining their rafting boat packing system. From their Peru group chat, they float the idea of an unofficial Moab meet-up around a trail race weekend (15K, half, marathon, 50K) and advise booking hotels over pricey Airbnbs, noting the April 24, 2027 date. They discuss nostalgia for No Doubt, a gory dark-comedy film “Send Help” starring Rachel McAdams and directed by Sam Raimi, and Joy finishing the climbing docuseries “The Dark Wizard.” Joy previews Lilas' upcoming CCI puppy turn-in, talks puppy-raising realities and grief, answers Q&A on Mind Pump, finding a workplace mentor, and dog toy recommendations for strong chewers.

00:00 Podcast Welcome

00:47 Pilot Oversharing Stories

03:04 Listening In Flight

03:49 Flight Tracking Anxiety

05:01 Pentagon Twin Day

06:16 Mothers Day Float Plan

08:30 Rafting Gear Systems

10:14 Moab Race Meetup Idea

13:09 Where To Stay In Moab

15:19 No Doubt Nostalgia

17:24 Send Help Movie Review

19:40 Dark Wizard Doc Update

21:21 Climbing Doc Obsession

23:18 Leila Turn In Emotions

26:30 Service Dog Reality Check

28:20 Haynes Toy Chase Antics

30:46 Puppy Raising Community

32:17 Mind Pump Bros Take

34:55 Finding Work Mentors

39:12 Toys For Strong Chewers

44:17 Moab Meetup And Wrap

Social Media Breaks, Peru Reset, and What We’re Watching & Reading

Claire and Joy open with Arrested Development jokes and then discuss how meme culture and news consumption feel bleak, leading Joy to describe a mental-health-improving Peru “hard reset” of staying off social media, avoiding push notifications, and getting news from traditional outlets instead. They reflect on feeling helpless about Supreme Court decisions and on social media outrage/cancel culture, citing “Therapy Jeff” and mentioning Mel Robbins. Claire shares family updates, including Evie’s Beauty and the Beast dance recital and Miles’ extra energy now that he’s between sports, plus a chat about slow unpacking and liking Away luggage. They recommend HBO’s climbing docuseries “The Dark Wizard” about Dean Potter, discuss Lena Dunham’s memoir and Girls, and Claire lists recent fiction reads while panning The Comfort Crisis, before plugging their Instagram, TikTok, and email.

00:00 Welcome and Hop Ons

00:22 Arrested Development Quotes

01:39 Meme Days Check In

02:21 Social Media Detox

03:54 Supreme Court Spiral

06:47 Peru Airplane Mode

08:16 Therapy Influencer Drama

11:28 Dance Recital Chaos

15:28 Post Trip Unpacking

17:44 Away Luggage and Points

19:37 Dark Wizard Docuseries

22:20 Climbing Subculture World

23:51 Climbing Brotherhood

24:20 Rivalry and Territorialism

25:24 Dean vs Alex Debate

26:02 El Cap Ethics

27:30 Watching Free Solo

29:11 Series Recommendation

29:32 Lena Dunham Memoir

33:15 Girls Fame Fallout

37:25 Fiction Book Picks

39:20 Comfort Crisis Rant

42:37 More Reads and Wrap

43:15 Social Media Goodbye

Peru Post-Trip Blues, Surf Retreat Highlights, and Planning Japan 2028

Joy and Claire recap travel and post-trip depression after Peru, including Claire extending her trip for a Peru surf retreat in Chiama with Surf with Amigas, riding unusually long left waves, visiting archaeological sites, and seeing the preserved “Lady of Cao.” They describe a stressful Cusco-to-Lima flight delay due to the plane being too heavy, resulting in many bags left behind, and praise guide Leo for getting everyone’s luggage recovered before flights home. They discuss planning a Go Ahead Tours Japan trip for May 2028, outline the “Japan for Women” itinerary, and how they’ll share signup info. Back home, Joy starts a new job at Headspace as director of therapy, Scott also gets promoted, and they plan to puppy-raise again by taking over a six-month-old yellow lab named McCoy after turning in Lilas.

03:15 Not Saving Memories

03:47 Trip Photos Exception

04:42 Peru Travel Day

06:37 Surf Retreat Highlights

07:31 Peru History Shock

08:21 Pisco Sour Hangover

11:24 Lost Luggage Drama

15:33 Post Trip Blues

18:05 Japan 2028 Tease

20:50 Back to Work Updates

22:13 Puppy Raising Again

23:46 Meet McCoy

24:25 Collar Scholars Week

26:10 Dogs Want Dinner

26:41 Summer Schedule Chaos

28:36 Trips And Concerts

29:21 Dean Potter Doc

33:58 Van Life Reality Check

36:15 Gym Pricing Rant

40:22 Garage Gym Plans

41:35 Wrap Up And Plugs

Older and Wilder Live in Peru: Sacred Valley Reflections, Machu Picchu Magic, and Leo’s Tour-Guide Legends

Joy and Claire record a live “Older and Wilder” episode reflecting on how group travel with EF Go Ahead Tours removes the stress of planning and creates immersive cultural experiences. Travelers share motivations (community, FOMO, bucket-list Machu Picchu) and favorite moments: Machu Picchu, Incan archaeological sites, a community lunch and ceremony, women’s weaving cooperative, cooking class, churros in Lima, cathedral art, bus rides on narrow roads, and an ’80s dance party/karaoke on the train. Guide Leo explains his path to tour directing, love of sharing Peru, and encourages visitors to explore beyond Machu Picchu, including food, Arequipa, Nasca lines, and the Amazon.

00:00 Live From Peru

01:04 Sacred Valley Vibes

02:25 Unplugging From News

04:34 Why Peru Happened

05:30 No Planning Needed

06:54 Trip Community Magic

09:13 Passing The Mic

10:42 Traveler Stories Begin

12:52 Train Karaoke Memories

19:12 Big Picture Takeaways

22:02 Churros And Bus Skills

25:18 Cooking Class Chaos

26:40 Machu Picchu Highlights

27:27 Weaving Cooperative Magic

28:36 FOMO And Friendship

30:06 Why Group Trips Matter

31:30 Cusco Culture Layers

32:42 Unrepeatable Travel Moments

34:57 Dogs Dances And Daily Life

37:05 Cat Shoutouts And Cathedrals

38:44 Pride And Shared Culture

42:44 Thanking Leo The Guide

46:12 Leo Origin Story

51:58 Leo Moments And Next Trips

55:48 Japan Plans And Farewell

Easter Morning, River-Trip Hypothermia, and Peru Prep!

Joy and Claire trade stories about kids and childhood Easter traditions like egg hunts, church, and family meals. Claire recounts a spring-break rafting trip on Utah’s Upper San Juan River including visiting cliff-dwelling sites, a layover day, and a sudden thunderstorm. They discuss upcoming travel to Peru, interest in a future Japan trip, Joy’s promotion, and tips for altitude prep.

02:35 Kids Lovies and Stuffy Names

03:24 Childhood Easter Traditions

04:26 Easter Outfits and Memories

06:42 Holiday Meals and Spring Vibes

07:50 Weird Headlines and Politics

09:01 Rockies Day and Dairy Queen Secret

10:23 Party Adults and Breaking Rules

13:46 Upper San Juan River Trip Setup

15:29 Storm Rapid and Hypothermia Scare

21:28 Off the Grid and Camp Food

22:23 Camp Meals Done Right

23:06 Savory Smores Hack

23:57 Kids Camp Freedom

25:11 Walkie Talkie Pro Tip

25:55 Buying A Raft Rig

29:43 Rigging Ammo Can Chaos

31:43 Leaky Boat And Kayak Story

33:07 Peru Trip Schedule

33:55 JT Ashes And Goodbyes

35:07 Summer Travel Sprint

37:58 Raft Guide Reunion

39:46 Altitude Sickness Prep

41:23 Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

House-Sitting in Arizona, Tracking Teens, and Planning a Japan Trip

Joy and Claire chat about pet and house-sitting. Joy describes a nostalgic “time warp” weekend with her friend’s nearly-18-year-old daughter, running into a high school friend’s younger sister, and hanging at the mall. They discuss modern teen tracking tools (Life360, car cameras) and balancing safety with independence, plus kids’ self-navigation skills. In Q&A, they cover folding fitted sheets, cleaning quirks, favorite clothing items, sweet vs savory brunch, and announce a Japan group trip for May 2027. Joy also shares updated thyroid/antibody management, sleep needs, views on workout programs, and recurring podcast lore like “he vapes now.”

01:45 Moab Sitter Plug

04:30 Girls Weekend Time Warp

08:05 Mall Nostalgia

09:32 Tracking Kids Debate

13:16 Freedom Versus Safety

17:11 Bus Schedules Growing Up

17:57 Q and A Kickoff

18:08 Fitted Sheet Fails

20:11 Cleaning Quirks Confessions

22:01 Favorite Clothing Picks

26:03 Outfit Repeats Debate

27:00 Beauty Myths That Stick

27:50 Brunch Sweet Or Savory

28:34 Japan Trip Details

30:55 Thyroid Antibodies Update

35:58 Sleep In Your Forties

38:12 Weightlifting Programs Review

40:20 He Vapes Now Lore

43:18 Love Languages Ranked

46:03 Rapid Fire Favorites

46:50 Name Change Thoughts

48:31 Wrap Up And Japan Feedback