In this episode Coach Chris sits down with surf student Johan Kugelberg to listen (and sometimes drift off) while Johan runs away with the show. Typically in surf coaching sessions, Chris is accustomed to being the expert while Johan plays the very studious pupil. But when sitting down to talk otherwise, its clear the tables have turned. In a setting of conversation and thoughtful discussion, Johan is the expert of eloquence, & your host is the kook without words.