Today’s episode is a very special one as I bring you part three of Phil & Dan’s parenthood journey.

20 months have passed since we last heard from Phil and Dan about their surrogacy journey. Previously on the podcast we have covered from the decision to undergo surrogacy overseas, to finally bringing their daughter Penny home. Today, we are joined by their surrogate America, the remarkable woman who played a pivotal role in their parenthood story.

In this conversation, we delve further into their surrogacy journey. America shares her side of the story, from the application process to forming a profound connection with Phil and Dan, and ultimately, giving birth to Penny.

We explore some of the challenges of surrogacy, maintaining a long-distance friendship with each other and the surprises that parenthood has brought to all of them. And, of course, we peer into the future, discussing what lies ahead for Penny, their parenting journey, and their bond.

It's an episode filled with love - make sure you have checked out our previous two episodes.