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  • Summer Hits: BTS - Butter (with Jenna Andrews)

    In summer 2020, BTS released “Dynamite,” their first single recorded entirely in English. The song shot up the charts, became one of the most successful YouTube videos in history, and won over pop radio, which had stubbornly refused to play their songs in Korean. Now, in summer 2021, BTS have topped themselves again with “Butter,” yet another English-language bop that melts like … well, you get it. BTS member Jimin told Variety that they wanted to make an “easy-listening,” fun song, and it arrived as a much-needed distraction from the interminable global pandemic.

    With everyone constrained by travel restrictions, the song was written over WhatsApp, a collaboration achieved via text and voice notes sent between South Korea and the U.S. Jenna Andrews, one of the songwriters, says the track went through at least 50 rewrites to reach perfection. The final single is a tightly produced, less than three-minute song in which every moment is a hook. It shifts nostalgically from ’80s Prince to ’90s Michael Jackson through 2000s EDM, each second highlighting BTS’s musical savvy and distinctive vocal performance.

    In our kick-off episode of Switched on Pop’s Summer Hits series, Andrews spoke about how she worked with BTS to craft this song remotely and map out every throwback reference. In the second half of the episode, we speak with Bora, a prominent BTS translator who presents the case for why we should hear “Butter” as the first step down the BTS rabbit hole, especially into their Korean-language discovery.


    Songs Discussed

    • BTS - Butter, Dynamite, Silver Spoon, Dope, Dis-ease
    • Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal, Rock With You, Man In The Mirror, Remember The Time, Bad 
    • Usher - “U Got It Bad”
    • Daft Punk - Harder Better Faster Stronger

    • More

      • Bora’s BTS Rabbit Hole Playlist
      • ARMY translators' lyric translations: 
      • doolset lyrics – BTS Lyrics in English
      • BTS TRANSLATIONS – (do you, bangtan / do you bangtan?)
      • Lyrics — BTS-TRANS/BANGTANSUBS
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        37 min
      • Pop’s Worst Kept Secret ft. Emily Warren

        In 1974 country music, singer songwriter, Dolly Parton got wind that Elvis Presley wanted to record her new song, “I Will Always Love You.“ According to Dolly, the deal fell through when Elvis's manager demanded 50% of the publishing revenue. Dolly refused, released the song herself, and years later arranged a more equitable deal with Whitney Houston, who of course made it a massive hit. 


        It's a juicy bit of industry history that actually speaks more to our current reality than you might think. What Elvis’s management did, demand a cut of the publishing revenue on top of the money he'd already make from album sales and live shows, is not an anomaly. 


        Songwriter, Emily Warren knows this all too well. Emily's a songwriter and performer in Los Angeles. You've heard her on the show before in part, because she's written some huge hits, including Dua Lipa’s “New Rules” and The Chainsmokers “Don’t Let Me Down.” 


        What happened to Dolly in ‘74 has happened a lot to Emily. She says that countless times, after an artist decides to record a song of hers that she wrote without any involvement with the artist, she'll get an email from the artist's management team, asking for a cut of her publishing. She says the emails are polite, but the mask and implied arrangement: give us a cut of the publishing they say, or we won't put out the song. 


        So Emily's started talking to other established songwriters she knows, Tayla Parx, Ross Golan, Justin Tranter, and Savan Kotecha—they've all been asked to give up publishing. Together they decided they wanted to do something about this practice. So they formed an organization called The Pact, a group of music professionals who refuse to give publishing away for songs where artists do not contribute. Their goal is to make the music business more equitable for the creative laborers.


        Songs Discussed

        Dolly Parton - I Will Always Love You

        Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You

        Dua Lipa - New Rules

        The Chainsmokers - Don’t Let Me Down

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        29 min
      • 40 Years Later, Japanese City Pop is Still Crashing the Charts (with Cat Zhang)

        If you listen to a lot of music on YouTube, you may have been recommended a video. The thumbnail image is a striking black-and-white photo of a Japanese singer named Mariya Takeuchi. The song, “Plastic Love,” is a lush disco track with deep groove, impeccable string and horn arrangements, and a slow-burn vocal performance from Takeuchi. When the song was released in 1984, it sold 10,000 copies. Today, it’s racked up over 65 million views since its posting in 2017.  

        How did the relatively obscure genre of Japanese City Pop, an amalgam of American soul and funk and Japanese songcraft from the 1970s and 80s, become the sound of the moment? For Pitchfork’s Cat Zhang, City Pop’s heart-on-its-sleeve emotions and slick production resonates with the nostalgic leanings of much contemporary pop. Sampled by artists like Tyler the Creator and inspiring original material from bands around the globe, City Pop has much to tell us about cultural exchange, technology, and the enduring universal power of slap bass. 

        Songs Discussed:

        Miki Matsubara - Stay With Me

        Mariya Takeuchi - Plastic Love

        Makoto Matsushita - Business Man Pt 1

        Tatsuro Yamashita - Marry-go-round

        Anri - Good Bye Boogie Dance

        Boredoms - Which Dooyoo Like

        Toshiko Yonekawa - Sōran Bushi

        Takeo Yamashita - Touch of Japanese Tone

        Mai Yamane - Tasogare

        Young Nudy ft Playboi Carti’s - Pissy Pamper

        Tatsuro Yamashita - Fragile

        Tyler The Creator - GONE, GONE / THANK YOU 9

        Sunset Rollercoaster - Burgundy Red


        Check out Cat’s article The Endless Life Cycle of Japanese City Pop on Pitchfork

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        32 min
      • J Cole’s The Off Season and the Power of the 12/8 Shuffle

        J Cole is one of the most successful rappers of his generation, someone who racks up hits while sustaining critical acclaim. But that isn’t necessarily a good thing. Cole’s sixth studio album “The Off Season” finds a musician struggling to stave off complacency and keep his skills sharp. In a short documentary about the album, Cole describes the album as an attempt to “push himself,” a sentiment reflected in a line from the Timbaland-produced track “Amari”: “If you solo these vocals, listen close and you can hear grumbling.” Cole is never satisfied on this album, pushing his technique to the breaking point through verbal dexterity and rhythmic complexity.

        One way Cole stays on his toes is through the use of a trap beat melded with one of the oldest grooves in pop: the 12/8 shuffle. He’s far from the only artist to make use of an often overlooked, but iconic meter. Why does this pattern keep us moving? And where did its unique sound come from? We have a theory about that...

        Songs discussed:

        • J Cole - Amari, Punching the Clock, The Climb Back, Interlude
        • Brief Encounter - I’m So in Love With You
        • Adam Lambert - Another Lonely Night
        • Carly Rae Jepsen - Run Away With Me
        • Disclosure ft Sam Smith - Latch 
        • Steely Dan - Aja
        • Toto - Roseanna 
        • Led Zeppelin - Fool in the Rain
        • Kanye West - Black Skinhead
        • Billie Eilish - Bury a Friend
        • Vulfpeck ft Bernard Purdie and Theo Katzman - Something

        • Watch Bernard “Pretty” Purdie: The Legendary Purdie Shuffle

          Read more on The Off Season in Craig Jenkins in-depth review on Vulture.

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          32 min
        • ICYMI Rina Sawayama Reimagines the 00s

          One of our favorites artists right now is Rina Sawayama. She works with her producer Clarence Clarity to make this mash up of sounds from the late 90s and early aughts. She in particular recasts Max Martin pop and Nu Metal — too styles that rarely converged — to make compelling songs with a strong anti-consumerist message. I spoke with Rina Sawayama last summer about her debut eponymous album Sawayama and she shared with me the stories behind her songs XS and STFU. We're rebroadcasting our interview with her from last summer.

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          21 min
        • Vijay Iyer on why jazz has always been political

          When you think of jazz, you might think of La La Land, luxury car commercials, or fancy dinner parties. Cool, sophisticated, complex, jazz today seems to signify the epitome of class and taste. For pianist Vijay Iyer, that view gets the music completely wrong. Jazz isn’t cool. Jazz is countercultural. Jazz is alive and relevant. Jazz fights racism and injustice. And for those reasons, maybe we shouldn’t be calling this music “jazz” at all.

          With a trio of Linda May Han Oh on bass and Tyshawn Sorey on drums, Iyer has recorded a new album, Uneasy, that continues the defiant political legacy of improvised music. Through songs that tackles the Flint water crisis, the murder of Eric Garner, and social unrest, Iyer connects to the key of issues of our day without saying a word. While his songs speak to our chaotic present and crackle with fierce urgency, they also reach back to elders like John Coltrane, Geri Allen, and Charles Mingus—musicians who never shied away from a fight. 

          Songs discussed:

          Charlie Parker - Ko Ko

          Charles Mingus - Fables of Faubus, Original Faubus Fables

          Vijay Iyer - Children of Flint, Combat Breathing, Uneasy

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          32 min
        • Introducing Galaxy Brains

          Today we’re sharing something a little different - a new TV and film show from the Vox Media Podcast Network that we think you’ll like called Galaxy Brains. On Galaxy Brains, entertainment writer Dave Schilling and Mystery Science Theater 3000’s Jonah Ray explore a big, mind-expanding question raised by a TV show or movie, and take it way, way too seriously. In the preview episode we’re sharing today, they explore why the once-panned musical comedy Josie and The Pussycats may have actually been a sharp critique of capitalism that was well ahead of its time. It’s weird. It’s funny. We’ll hope you’ll give it a listen, then go follow Galaxy Brains on your favorite podcast app.

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          35 min
        • Turns out Willow Smith rocks

          Willow Smith has a new Paramore-inspired emo-slash-pop punk track with a formidable drum groove powered by Travis Barker. Over churning guitars she sneers at fake friends: "smile in my face, then put your cig out on my back." As Nate and Charlie headbanged along to we found ourselves asking "why did we sleep on Willow Smith?"

          Maybe because we had not taken Willow seriously, knowing her only as the nine (!) year-old singer behind the precocious hit "Whip My Hair" back in 2010. In the ensuing decade, your hosts missed out on the rise of a talented musician. Her slow-burn, consciousness-expanding, galaxy-brain funk track "Wait A Minute!" from 2015 showcased the voice of a full-fledged artist. So why couldn't we hear her? Whether because we perceived nepotism or industry sleight-of-hand as the cause of her success, or maybe because we just didn't think a celebrity kid could also have anything to say worth hearing.

          Whoops. And it's not just Willow. Turns out the whole Pinkett-Smith clan have discographies worth taking a closer listen to. Who knew Jaden was sampling 1930s jazz wailer Cab Calloway? Or that Jada fronted a death metal band who got booed for being Black in a white genre? Or that the much-maligned "Getting' Jiggy Wit It" by Big Willie Style himself....actually bangs?

          Songs discussed:

          Willow Smith - Transparent Soul, Wait A Minute!, Whip My Hair

          Osamu - Koroneko No Tango

          Jordy - Dur dur d'être bébé!

          Wicked Wisdom - Bleed All Over Me

          Jaden Smith - Icon

          Cab Calloway - Hi De Ho Man

          Will Smith - Gettin' Jiggy Wit It

          Sister Sledge - He's the Greatest Dancer

          The Bar-Kays - Sang and Dance

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          32 min
        • Julia Michaels’ Songwriting Superpowers

          For nearly a decade, Julia Michaels has penned hit songs for the biggest acts in pop music. She is adept at turning people’s vulnerabilities into memorable hooks — think Justin Bieber’s “Sorry” or Selena Gomez’s “Lose You to Love Me.” There are countless others, but all of them share distinctive traits. Where many songwriters might turn to the simplest, almost nursery-rhyme-level lyrics to get the message across, Michaels does the opposite. She crams as many words as possible into each phrase. Her lyrics sound spoken. On her own hit song, her 2017 debut solo single “Issues,” she sings, “Bask in the glory, of all our problems / ’Cause we got the kind of love it takes to solve ’em”; it earned her a Song of the Year nomination at the 2018 Grammys, along with a Best New Artist nod. Her rhyming may sound accidental, but that’s the pop-song illusion. Michaels’s idiosyncratic phrasing has symmetry and her rhyming is indeed purposeful, all to illuminate her primary subject: the infinite recursions of human relationships. After releasing three EPs and countless singles of her own, Michaels has just released her first full-length album, Not in Chronological Order. On this week’s episode of Switched on Pop, Nate and Charlie try to identify Julias Michaels songwriting superpowers and then Charlie speaks with Michaels about how the vagaries of the heart inspire an endless stream of songs.

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          43 min

        About Switched on Pop

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        Listen closer to pop music, and hear how it moves us. Hosted by musicologist Nate Sloan & songwriter Charlie Harding. From Vulture and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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