German political scientist, author and climate activist Tadzio Müller is pretty dark. But even he’s having trouble coping with the news. So he’s reading dystopian climate fiction, because it’s less depressing. Most recently, friend-of-the-show Stephen Markley’s The Deluge.

Given the week that’s in it we of course had to talk about the wildfires but also the rise of Alice Weidel and Tadzio decoding her “Windmills of Shame” comment, which to a non-German just sounds like Trump with better writing but to this German sounds a lot more purposeful and sinister. 

Tadzio argues it would be a mistake to ignore the fact that there is a coherent political strategy at work behind those kind of daft-sounding comments that fly in the face of supposedly overwhelming support for climate solutions whether they’re from AfD, Donald Trump, or Nigel Farage.

Tadzio has his own book out - available later this spring in English - the rough translation of the title is Between Peaceful Sabotage and Collapse: How I Learned to Love the Future Again. But don’t wait - after you listen or watch this third chat between your friendly neighbourhood neoliberal shill here and this German gay communist being far more articulate in English than the native speaker, subscribe to his “Peaceful Sabotage” newsletter to get a sense. Unlike the grumpier, earnest end of the climate movement, the great thing about Tadzio is that he (despite being as prone to depression as I am) is just so damned funny. But we did our best to keep him honest - despite the fact that when we first spoke a year ago we both made some predictions about 2024. If anything, his dark foreboding low-balled how bad the year would be. 

In 2025 I think we’re probably more in sync. And careful listeners will hear him trail “Collapse Camp” - a successor to “climate camp” - which will be apparently a mini-festival at the end of August where you can share bushcraft and other survival tips for coming climate catastrophes while also doing the things festivals are generally known for. We’ll keep you informed. 

In this episode:

00:00 Introduction: Shame and Guilt in Politics 

01:02 The Rise of Fascism in Germany 

03:12 The Collapse of Societies 

08:33 Climate Change and Irrationality 

23:20 The Politics of Catastrophe 

38:34 A Rainbow Family and Right-Wing Politics 

39:12 Facing Fears and Political Solidarity 

39:42 FEMA and Fascist Militias 

41:39 Redefining Progressive Politics 

42:22 Personal Anecdotes and Community Engagement 

44:24 The Emotional Labor of Acceptance 

47:32 Solidarity and Collective Prepping 

49:38 Dystopian Futures and Political Realities 

55:00 Enemies and Political Negativity 

01:07:56 Looking Forward: Collapse Camp and Future Plans

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