This bonus episode marks a first for us, and that's because our guest, Kim Spradlin-Wolfe, was actually a Survivor champion about ten years ago. This means she can claim some next-level mental and physical toughness, so suffice it to say that Melanie and I - as a couple of Enneagram 9s - are fascinated.

Kim also has anew show coming out on HGTV, so we talk about that along with a fun project she and Melanie are working on. You're going to love listening to her, and we got such a kick out of having time to sit down and talk with her.

We'll be back in a couple of days with our regular episode for the week (278). Hope y'all enjoy!

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