The world has become dependent on trade with China, so much so that . We’ve become so we’ve been prepared to overlook human rights violations. But is that about to change? President Trump has managed to convince world leaders to ditch Huawei from their telecoms networks on fears that their equipment could be snooping on us. But, could it also be that Huawei makes twice as much money as the US’s Cisco, the world’s next biggest telecommunications equipment provider? In this week’s podcast Phil Dobbie asks Prof Steve Keen whether the world can do without China, and are hypocritical trading with them if we believe their behaviour is that bad?

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