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The Circuit of Success Podcast with Brett Gilliland
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The Circuit of Success Podcast with Brett Gilliland episodes
- Lessons in Leadership from a Former Ranger & Green Beret | Phil Kornachuk
Have you ever wondered what it takes to become an elite military leader? Or how the lessons learned in the military can be applied to everyday life and business? In this podcast episode, host Brett Gilliland interviews Phil Kornachuk, a former member of the Second Battalion Rangers and Green Berets for 22 years. Phil’s journey from a young Canadian recruit to a highly respected leader in the US Army is filled with valuable insights and lessons that can inspire and empower individuals and organizations.
One of the recurring themes in Phil’s story is the power of belief and opportunity. Throughout his career, Phil had leaders who saw his potential and encouraged him to apply for officer training. Their belief in him gave him the confidence to pursue his dreams and excel in his military career. Phil’s experiences highlight the importance of believing in oneself and giving others the chance to grow and succeed.
Phil’s time in the military taught him valuable lessons about leadership and bravery. He emphasizes the importance of aligning actions with values and facing challenges head-on. Whether it’s in combat or everyday life, Phil believes that true bravery comes from staying committed to one’s values and taking calculated risks. His experiences in the military have shaped his perspective on success and bravery, and he now uses his expertise to help others become better leaders.
Another key takeaway from Phil’s story is the significance of planning and execution. Phil emphasizes the need for a clear purpose, a well-thought-out plan, and thorough rehearsals to avoid catastrophic failures. Whether it’s in military operations or business endeavors, having a solid plan and executing it consistently is crucial for success. Phil’s insights on planning and execution can be applied to various aspects of life, from personal goals to professional projects.
Phil believes in investing in oneself and continually evolving to become a better version of oneself. He emphasizes the value of fundamentals and how even elite organizations still focus on them with precision and intensity. Phil also discusses the importance of having a vision, a plan, and the right mindset and executing them consistently. He encourages business leaders to focus on their why and the impact they want to have, rather than just the bottom line. Phil’s journey from military service to starting his own business is a testament to the power of personal growth and evolution.
Phil Kornachuk’s story is a powerful testament to the transformative power of leadership and personal growth. His experiences in the military have shaped his perspective on success, bravery, and the importance of aligning actions with values. Through his company, Stonewater Training, Phil now helps individuals and businesses develop high-performance leadership skills. Whether it’s through believing in potential, planning and execution, or investing in personal growth, Phil’s insights can inspire and empower individuals and organizations to reach their full potential.
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1 hr 4 min - Interview with Craig Berube – Former St.Louis Blues Head Coach
Welcome to another episode of the Circuit of Success podcast! In this edition, we sit down with none other than Craig Berube, former NHL player and coach, for an in-depth exploration of his remarkable journey through the world of hockey. Berube’s narrative is nothing short of captivating as he shares the highs and lows of his hockey career, from his humble beginnings to his triumphant moments on the ice. Join us as we uncover invaluable insights and lessons learned from one of hockey’s most respected figures.
Highlights Include:
From Player to Coach: Delve into Berube’s journey from aspiring player to esteemed coach, fueled by unwavering determination and passion for the game.
The Power of Constructive Criticism and Mindset: Learn how Berube’s mindset and openness to feedback paved the way for personal and professional growth.
Coaching Philosophy: Gain insights into Berube’s coaching style and his strategies for building trust, fostering communication, and adapting to change.
Leading the St. Louis Blues to Victory: Experience the excitement as Berube shares his role in the historic triumph of the St. Louis Blues during the 2018-2019 season, culminating in a Stanley Cup victory.
A Passion for Hockey and a Drive for Success: Discover Berube’s enduring passion for the game and his relentless pursuit of excellence, serving as an inspiration to hockey enthusiasts everywhere.
Join us as we lace up our skates and dive into the world of hockey with Craig Berube. Don’t miss out on this episode of the Circuit of Success podcast! Subscribe now for more captivating conversations with industry trailblazers.
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49 min - Hidden Speakeasy in St. Louis | Interview with Gerard Craft
Join us as we delve into the captivating story of Gerard Craft, renowned chef, and entrepreneur, as he shares his remarkable journey from a troubled childhood to becoming a highly successful chef and business owner. In this thought-provoking podcast episode, Craft opens up about his early passion for photography, his decision to pursue a culinary career, and the challenges he faced along the way. Filmed at the hidden speakeasy, NOTA, located at The Foundry in St. Louis, this episode offers a unique backdrop for Craft’s inspiring insights. Discover the key values, training methods, and empowering leadership strategies that Craft implemented to create a positive company culture in his own restaurant. Gain valuable insights into the importance of embracing change, building a strong foundation in business, and the power of continuous learning. Craft’s inspiring experiences will leave you motivated to embrace failure as an opportunity for growth and to lead with honesty and feedback. Don’t miss this engaging conversation that explores leadership, culture, and the transformative power of following your passion, all set against the backdrop of the hidden speakeasy, NOTA, at The Foundry in St. Louis.
Check out the video interview here!
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I am your host,00:00:15.000 –> 00:00:18.000
Brett Gilliland, and today I’ve got Gerard Craft00:00:18.000 –> 00:00:19.000
with me Gerard what’s going on, my man.00:00:19.000 –> 00:00:22.000
How are you? I’m great. Thanks for having00:00:22.000 –> 00:00:23.000
me. You probably don’t know this because I00:00:23.000 –> 00:00:24.000
don’t even know if you check your own00:00:24.000 –> 00:00:27.000
Instagram messages, but I sent you a message00:00:27.000 –> 00:00:28.000
in April two thousand eighteen.00:00:28.000 –> 00:00:30.000
Really? I did. That’s Craft. And now here00:00:30.000 –> 00:00:33.000
we are. No. January of two thousand twenty00:00:33.000 –> 00:00:33.000
four.00:00:34.000 –> 00:00:35.000
That’s alright, man. You’re a busy guy. I’ve00:00:35.000 –> 00:00:38.000
been good at checking my, like, normal message00:00:38.000 –> 00:00:40.000
you know, my emails, my texts.00:00:41.000 –> 00:00:43.000
I like to share those messages because it’s00:00:43.000 –> 00:00:45.000
life’s about persistency as you know. You guys00:00:45.000 –> 00:00:48.000
stay pleasantly persistent, but our mutual friend, Katie,00:00:48.000 –> 00:00:50.000
call your introduce to two of us and00:00:50.000 –> 00:00:51.000
thank you, Katie, for sure.00:00:52.000 –> 00:00:53.000
Why don’t you explain to people that are00:00:53.000 –> 00:00:55.000
watching this right now? Where are we at00:00:55.000 –> 00:00:55.000
right00:00:55.000 –> 00:00:58.000
so we are at Noda, which stands for.00:00:58.000 –> 00:01:00.000
None of the above. It’s our speakeasy00:01:01.000 –> 00:01:03.000
here at the city foundry, but we’re kind00:01:03.000 –> 00:01:06.000
of through some tunnels in the basement Yeah.00:01:07.000 –> 00:01:09.000
Hidden away. It’s amazing. Absolutely amazing. Do we00:01:09.000 –> 00:01:11.000
share how we get down here or is00:01:11.000 –> 00:01:12.000
that kind of a secret?00:01:12.000 –> 00:01:14.000
You can yeah. I mean, there’s a there’s00:01:14.000 –> 00:01:17.000
a door up at the top on foundry00:01:17.000 –> 00:01:18.000
Way with,00:01:18.000 –> 00:01:20.000
a red light Gilliland00:01:20.000 –> 00:01:22.000
if that light is on,00:01:22.000 –> 00:01:23.000
then you can pop in and, you know,00:01:23.000 –> 00:01:24.000
hopefully we have some some space.00:01:28.000 –> 00:01:29.000
I love it. And if it’s not on,00:01:29.000 –> 00:01:31.000
it means you’re just not open, or does00:01:31.000 –> 00:01:32.000
it means it’s full? Yeah. It means we’re00:01:32.000 –> 00:01:34.000
not open. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Well, hey, man.00:01:34.000 –> 00:01:36.000
Let’s dive in if we can and, get00:01:36.000 –> 00:01:38.000
listeners a little lay of the land. I00:01:38.000 –> 00:01:39.000
told you I’d start with kinda what’s your00:01:39.000 –> 00:01:41.000
backstory of what’s made you the man you00:01:41.000 –> 00:01:42.000
are today.00:01:42.000 –> 00:01:43.000
Yeah. So,00:01:44.000 –> 00:01:46.000
you know, grew up in Washington, DC.00:01:47.000 –> 00:01:47.000
And,00:01:50.000 –> 00:01:51.000
you know, got into00:01:52.000 –> 00:01:54.000
far too much trouble as a kid. And00:01:54.000 –> 00:01:55.000
ended up,00:01:57.000 –> 00:02:00.000
finishing school, I should say, out in, Northern00:02:00.000 –> 00:02:01.000
Idaho00:02:01.000 –> 00:02:02.000
at a,00:02:03.000 –> 00:02:03.000
at,00:02:04.000 –> 00:02:05.000
school for, you know,00:02:06.000 –> 00:02:07.000
troubled kids.00:02:07.000 –> 00:02:10.000
And when I was there, I got to00:02:10.000 –> 00:02:11.000
do00:02:12.000 –> 00:02:13.000
sort of an apprenticeship00:02:13.000 –> 00:02:15.000
with a photographer. And so I started getting00:02:15.000 –> 00:02:18.000
really into snowboard photography. We were up in00:02:18.000 –> 00:02:20.000
the mountains, so it was kinda perfect for00:02:20.000 –> 00:02:22.000
all of that. I had always been interested00:02:22.000 –> 00:02:24.000
in photography and done a lot,00:02:25.000 –> 00:02:27.000
growing up. And so got to really, you00:02:27.000 –> 00:02:29.000
know, see kind of the professional side of00:02:29.000 –> 00:02:32.000
it. And, you know, we were doing everything00:02:32.000 –> 00:02:34.000
from skiing and snowboarding00:02:34.000 –> 00:02:35.000
to wake boarding,00:02:36.000 –> 00:02:38.000
on skateboarding in in the summer.00:02:38.000 –> 00:02:41.000
And then I moved to Salt Lake City00:02:41.000 –> 00:02:44.000
after that school to go to Gilliland00:02:44.000 –> 00:02:46.000
to continue my photography.00:02:46.000 –> 00:02:48.000
And while I was there, I ended up00:02:48.000 –> 00:02:50.000
dropping out of college. And00:02:52.000 –> 00:02:54.000
you see a pattern of school not working00:02:54.000 –> 00:02:55.000
out for me.00:02:56.000 –> 00:02:57.000
But I00:02:58.000 –> 00:02:59.000
took a job00:02:59.000 –> 00:03:01.000
just kind of in the morning, I took00:03:01.000 –> 00:03:03.000
a job washing cars.00:03:03.000 –> 00:03:05.000
And at night, I took a job washing00:03:05.000 –> 00:03:07.000
dishes. And, you know, still was doing my00:03:07.000 –> 00:03:09.000
photography. Gilliland00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:12.000
everything, but the photography wasn’t really paying any00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:15.000
money. It was, you know. Right. Right. Yeah.00:03:15.000 –> 00:03:17.000
It was like a trade stuff trying to00:03:17.000 –> 00:03:19.000
get in the door with different professional hot,00:03:19.000 –> 00:03:22.000
snowboarders and stuff like that. But00:03:22.000 –> 00:03:24.000
really fell in love with the kitchen when00:03:24.000 –> 00:03:26.000
I was in there and a00:03:27.000 –> 00:03:28.000
career advisor00:03:29.000 –> 00:03:31.000
told me I should think about, going to00:03:31.000 –> 00:03:32.000
culinary school.00:03:32.000 –> 00:03:33.000
And so I want to,00:03:34.000 –> 00:03:37.000
Salt Lake City Community College. Mhmm. And00:03:38.000 –> 00:03:41.000
studied culinary arts while I was still kind00:03:41.000 –> 00:03:41.000
of working00:03:42.000 –> 00:03:44.000
at this this place called Fats Grill. I00:03:44.000 –> 00:03:45.000
mean,00:03:45.000 –> 00:03:46.000
super high end luxury.00:03:48.000 –> 00:03:51.000
Nothing like Nota. This was Although it was00:03:51.000 –> 00:03:52.000
a very clean,00:03:54.000 –> 00:03:56.000
you know, bar with pool hole,00:03:57.000 –> 00:03:59.000
you know, pool Gilliland,00:04:00.000 –> 00:04:02.000
But but it was it was definitely not00:04:02.000 –> 00:04:05.000
a a real refined spot. Right. And didn’t00:04:05.000 –> 00:04:06.000
you go on to work at one of00:04:06.000 –> 00:04:08.000
the best restaurants in San Fran and some00:04:08.000 –> 00:04:10.000
other places around the country? I did not00:04:10.000 –> 00:04:13.000
go to San Francisco. So I, from there,00:04:13.000 –> 00:04:14.000
I actually went in,00:04:15.000 –> 00:04:17.000
did a work study at the Ritz in00:04:17.000 –> 00:04:17.000
Paris00:04:18.000 –> 00:04:18.000
and,00:04:20.000 –> 00:04:23.000
went out to Los Angeles to the,00:04:23.000 –> 00:04:26.000
Chateau Mamont Hotel. That’s what I was thinking00:04:26.000 –> 00:04:26.000
about. Yeah.00:04:27.000 –> 00:04:28.000
And so I was a sous chef out00:04:28.000 –> 00:04:29.000
at the Chateau Marmont,00:04:31.000 –> 00:04:32.000
and00:04:32.000 –> 00:04:34.000
stashed at a place in New Jersey for00:04:34.000 –> 00:04:37.000
a while called Gilliland Inn which was kind00:04:37.000 –> 00:04:39.000
of on a five acre organic,00:04:41.000 –> 00:04:41.000
farm00:04:42.000 –> 00:04:42.000
and,00:04:43.000 –> 00:04:46.000
just outside of New York City. So It00:04:46.000 –> 00:04:47.000
was a Relay Chateau property,00:04:48.000 –> 00:04:50.000
all tasting menus.00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:52.000
And I think that was about the the00:04:52.000 –> 00:04:53.000
scariest place I ever00:04:54.000 –> 00:04:54.000
ever worked.00:04:56.000 –> 00:04:58.000
But it was amazing. It was just a00:04:58.000 –> 00:04:59.000
very intense,00:04:59.000 –> 00:05:00.000
atmosphere.00:05:01.000 –> 00:05:03.000
And, you know, very driven people you know,00:05:03.000 –> 00:05:05.000
all the people that worked there are all,00:05:05.000 –> 00:05:07.000
you know, super successful today. You know, so00:05:07.000 –> 00:05:10.000
I was I was definitely in over my00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:11.000
head, but, you know, in the best kind00:05:11.000 –> 00:05:12.000
of way. Right?00:05:13.000 –> 00:05:14.000
So did you look to those guys and00:05:14.000 –> 00:05:17.000
gals for leadership and advice, or was it00:05:17.000 –> 00:05:18.000
cut throat and it didn’t work that way?00:05:18.000 –> 00:05:20.000
Like, what what was the environment like in00:05:20.000 –> 00:05:21.000
a restaurant like that? Yeah. I mean, they00:05:21.000 –> 00:05:23.000
they were all, like, pretty cutthroat, but it00:05:23.000 –> 00:05:24.000
was, you know,00:05:25.000 –> 00:05:28.000
you know, everybody was helpful. And,00:05:28.000 –> 00:05:30.000
as long as you were trying and and00:05:30.000 –> 00:05:31.000
pushing and,00:05:32.000 –> 00:05:34.000
you know, so everywhere you went, you were00:05:34.000 –> 00:05:36.000
just trying to kind of learn as much00:05:36.000 –> 00:05:38.000
as as humanly possible.00:05:39.000 –> 00:05:40.000
So I’m a go back to when you00:05:40.000 –> 00:05:40.000
went,00:05:41.000 –> 00:05:42.000
out from from the East Coast to the00:05:42.000 –> 00:05:44.000
West Coast to finish school. Like, what was00:05:44.000 –> 00:05:46.000
it about you or maybe your upbringing? I00:05:46.000 –> 00:05:48.000
don’t know what it is, but my fascinated00:05:48.000 –> 00:05:50.000
by guys, that and guys and gals that00:05:50.000 –> 00:05:52.000
that do something like that and have a00:05:52.000 –> 00:05:55.000
pretty dramatic, you know, event happen. And then00:05:55.000 –> 00:05:57.000
all of a sudden, now you fast where00:05:57.000 –> 00:05:59.000
you’re at in two thousand twenty four. Right?00:05:59.000 –> 00:06:00.000
Like, what do you think it was specifically00:06:00.000 –> 00:06:02.000
about you that made you00:06:02.000 –> 00:06:04.000
go a different route than maybe you could00:06:04.000 –> 00:06:05.000
have gone?00:06:06.000 –> 00:06:07.000
I don’t know. You know, I think I’ve00:06:07.000 –> 00:06:09.000
always been, you know, a fan of the00:06:09.000 –> 00:06:11.000
road less traveled. And,00:06:12.000 –> 00:06:14.000
and I don’t know if that made all00:06:14.000 –> 00:06:15.000
the difference. You know, but,00:06:17.000 –> 00:06:19.000
I’ve I’ve definitely always appreciated00:06:19.000 –> 00:06:20.000
the struggle.00:06:21.000 –> 00:06:23.000
And I I don’t know why that is00:06:23.000 –> 00:06:26.000
because there’s probably a horrible trait. Probably something00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:28.000
I should talk to a therapist about, but,00:06:29.000 –> 00:06:30.000
but I, you know, I always wanted to,00:06:30.000 –> 00:06:33.000
you know, do things on my own and,00:06:34.000 –> 00:06:36.000
you know, do things the hard way for00:06:36.000 –> 00:06:37.000
some reason.00:06:37.000 –> 00:06:38.000
And00:06:38.000 –> 00:06:40.000
I think when I was looking to finally00:06:40.000 –> 00:06:41.000
open a restaurant,00:06:42.000 –> 00:06:43.000
I didn’t wanna go back. You know, my00:06:43.000 –> 00:06:45.000
old family’s from New York Gilliland00:06:46.000 –> 00:06:46.000
DC,00:06:46.000 –> 00:06:48.000
and I didn’t wanna go back there and00:06:48.000 –> 00:06:50.000
kind of fail in front of everybody. I00:06:50.000 –> 00:06:53.000
kinda wanted to, you know, branch out on00:06:53.000 –> 00:06:54.000
my own, do my own thing.00:06:55.000 –> 00:06:58.000
And again, you know, I it worked out00:06:58.000 –> 00:07:00.000
somehow, but god,00:07:00.000 –> 00:07:02.000
probably not the smartest way. You know, I00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:05.000
could have opened in New York City around00:07:05.000 –> 00:07:06.000
family. And,00:07:07.000 –> 00:07:10.000
yeah, you know, had all sorts of family00:07:10.000 –> 00:07:13.000
friends coming in. But, thankfully, Saint Louis really00:07:13.000 –> 00:07:15.000
welcomed me. So And talk about that. So00:07:15.000 –> 00:07:17.000
what brought you to Saint Louis? I read00:07:17.000 –> 00:07:19.000
that story. I think that’s pretty cool. Yeah.00:07:19.000 –> 00:07:21.000
I mean, it was, again, I was twenty00:07:21.000 –> 00:07:22.000
five years old. So,00:07:23.000 –> 00:07:25.000
I look at twenty five year olds now,00:07:25.000 –> 00:07:27.000
and I’m, like, oh my god. What the00:07:27.000 –> 00:07:28.000
hell is that? Like, I was, like, twenty00:07:28.000 –> 00:07:29.000
five.00:07:30.000 –> 00:07:33.000
You know, so, you know, wasn’t always thinking00:07:34.000 –> 00:07:37.000
entirely clearly, but, you know, I, I knew00:07:37.000 –> 00:07:39.000
I wanted to do something on my own.00:07:39.000 –> 00:07:40.000
I wanted to get out. And,00:07:41.000 –> 00:07:43.000
you know, I had seen some stuff, and00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:46.000
I think, like, Bonapati magazine or something like00:07:46.000 –> 00:07:48.000
that about Saint Lewis, and I think an00:07:48.000 –> 00:07:50.000
American place had just opened,00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:53.000
Monarch restaurant was00:07:53.000 –> 00:07:56.000
was doing really Brett. And I just read00:07:56.000 –> 00:07:59.000
about Kevin Nash in buying Sydney Brett Craft,00:07:59.000 –> 00:08:01.000
and he had just come from, like,00:08:02.000 –> 00:08:03.000
Martine Barastaghi00:08:03.000 –> 00:08:06.000
in Spain and Daniel Gilliland00:08:06.000 –> 00:08:07.000
New York. And so00:08:08.000 –> 00:08:09.000
I was like, oh, that’s kind of a00:08:09.000 –> 00:08:11.000
cool Gilliland now I used to have a00:08:11.000 –> 00:08:13.000
weird hobby of00:08:13.000 –> 00:08:15.000
I still have a weird hobby of staying00:08:15.000 –> 00:08:17.000
up late and looking at real estate.00:08:17.000 –> 00:08:18.000
And,00:08:19.000 –> 00:08:21.000
just kind of started looking at real estate00:08:21.000 –> 00:08:21.000
in00:08:22.000 –> 00:08:25.000
Saint Louis and stumbled upon this ad that00:08:25.000 –> 00:08:28.000
was, wine bar for sale, which00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:31.000
looking back at niche, when niche was not00:08:31.000 –> 00:08:33.000
at, it was dirt floors, hole in the00:08:33.000 –> 00:08:34.000
ground, no00:08:34.000 –> 00:08:35.000
electricity.00:08:35.000 –> 00:08:37.000
I was like, how was this a wine00:08:37.000 –> 00:08:38.000
bar? Right.00:08:39.000 –> 00:08:42.000
But, yeah, then I, I just kind of00:08:42.000 –> 00:08:45.000
came here on, New Year’s Day,00:08:47.000 –> 00:08:47.000
in00:08:48.000 –> 00:08:51.000
two thousand five. And I I literally signed00:08:51.000 –> 00:08:54.000
it on the spot. And I remember my00:08:54.000 –> 00:08:55.000
brother, like, do you have a lawyer?00:08:56.000 –> 00:08:57.000
Are you what are you doing? What’s a00:08:57.000 –> 00:08:59.000
lawyer? How are you looking for?00:09:00.000 –> 00:09:00.000
So,00:09:01.000 –> 00:09:02.000
thankfully, I had my brother,00:09:03.000 –> 00:09:05.000
investing and on my side because he was00:09:05.000 –> 00:09:07.000
able to at least he local at all?00:09:07.000 –> 00:09:09.000
Dear me. No. My brother lives in London.00:09:09.000 –> 00:09:10.000
Okay. But he was at least able to00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:13.000
to, you know, help me make some,00:09:14.000 –> 00:09:17.000
my brother’s like you. He’s in finance. Okay.00:09:17.000 –> 00:09:19.000
So That’s funny. Yeah. Yeah. So what I00:09:19.000 –> 00:09:20.000
mean, when you think about that that move,00:09:20.000 –> 00:09:23.000
did you did you picture success in your00:09:23.000 –> 00:09:25.000
or was that just something you’re like, this00:09:25.000 –> 00:09:26.000
is my passion. I’m gonna follow it, and00:09:26.000 –> 00:09:28.000
then it’s successes happen? Like, what, like, what00:09:28.000 –> 00:09:30.000
was it like if you look back to00:09:30.000 –> 00:09:31.000
the twenty five year old Gerard? I think00:09:31.000 –> 00:09:33.000
I always envisioned six success, but I think,00:09:33.000 –> 00:09:34.000
you know,00:09:34.000 –> 00:09:36.000
that vision of success is00:09:37.000 –> 00:09:38.000
is continually00:09:38.000 –> 00:09:40.000
changing. Right? You know, I think my my00:09:40.000 –> 00:09:43.000
first vision of success was know, a successful00:09:43.000 –> 00:09:45.000
neighborhood restaurant. And,00:09:45.000 –> 00:09:47.000
you know, I had been eating a lot00:09:47.000 –> 00:09:49.000
at a restaurant called prune in New York00:09:49.000 –> 00:09:50.000
Gilliland00:09:50.000 –> 00:09:52.000
there was a place called the tasting room00:09:52.000 –> 00:09:54.000
in New York, and these were kinda like00:09:54.000 –> 00:09:57.000
very small, but but kind of progressive and00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:58.000
different restaurants.00:09:59.000 –> 00:10:01.000
And and that’s kind of the between that00:10:01.000 –> 00:10:03.000
and kind of what was going on in00:10:03.000 –> 00:10:06.000
some of the small restaurants in Paris at00:10:06.000 –> 00:10:06.000
the time,00:10:07.000 –> 00:10:07.000
And,00:10:08.000 –> 00:10:10.000
in Spain, you know, that’s kind of where00:10:10.000 –> 00:10:12.000
I was where I was looking to. I00:10:12.000 –> 00:10:15.000
think what happened was a lot different.00:10:15.000 –> 00:10:17.000
And, you know, I think,00:10:18.000 –> 00:10:20.000
I I didn’t quite understand. I think the00:10:20.000 –> 00:10:23.000
demographics that I was gonna be serving00:10:23.000 –> 00:10:25.000
when when we opened these. I thought I00:10:25.000 –> 00:10:27.000
thought we were gonna be serving a lot00:10:27.000 –> 00:10:28.000
of younger people,00:10:28.000 –> 00:10:29.000
you know,00:10:29.000 –> 00:10:30.000
young professionals Gilliland00:10:31.000 –> 00:10:32.000
you go to New York. What what do00:10:32.000 –> 00:10:35.000
you see in HIP new restaurant. And I00:10:35.000 –> 00:10:37.000
think I actually got a much older client,00:10:37.000 –> 00:10:38.000
though, coming from,00:10:39.000 –> 00:10:40.000
ledoux00:10:40.000 –> 00:10:42.000
and, you know, the suburbs.00:10:42.000 –> 00:10:46.000
And and not entirely from my area. And00:10:46.000 –> 00:10:46.000
and00:10:47.000 –> 00:10:49.000
and I think there there was definitely a00:10:49.000 –> 00:10:51.000
little bit of a of a struggle in00:10:52.000 –> 00:10:54.000
in what people wanted out of us and00:10:54.000 –> 00:10:56.000
what we were actually doing. Yeah. Isn’t it00:10:56.000 –> 00:10:57.000
funny when you think you Brett this business00:10:57.000 –> 00:10:59.000
plan and and what’s you think’s gonna happen00:10:59.000 –> 00:11:02.000
that it rarely ever works that way. Yeah.00:11:02.000 –> 00:11:04.000
So we were successful. Yeah. But00:11:05.000 –> 00:11:07.000
not in the way that we had planned00:11:07.000 –> 00:11:10.000
on being successful. What do you think, being00:11:10.000 –> 00:11:12.000
the entrepreneur that you are in places like00:11:12.000 –> 00:11:14.000
this, which is amazing. I absolutely love this.00:11:14.000 –> 00:11:15.000
And the walk down here is one of00:11:15.000 –> 00:11:17.000
the coolest things I’ve ever seen. I’m not00:11:17.000 –> 00:11:18.000
just saying that.00:11:18.000 –> 00:11:21.000
From an entrepreneurial standpoint, what what do you00:11:21.000 –> 00:11:22.000
think that you can share from a restaurant00:11:23.000 –> 00:11:24.000
world to the to the business person or00:11:24.000 –> 00:11:26.000
the, you know, the lawyer that whoever’s watching00:11:26.000 –> 00:11:28.000
this right now? What do you see the00:11:28.000 –> 00:11:30.000
similarities that can be learned from your world00:11:30.000 –> 00:11:32.000
into the business world?00:11:32.000 –> 00:11:34.000
Oh my god. I mean, you know, we00:11:34.000 –> 00:11:35.000
are in the business world. So,00:11:36.000 –> 00:11:38.000
you know, I think it’s all00:11:38.000 –> 00:11:39.000
applicable,00:11:39.000 –> 00:11:41.000
really, you know, and I think,00:11:42.000 –> 00:11:45.000
flip that around a bit. I have learned00:11:45.000 –> 00:11:48.000
a lot from the quote unquote business world.00:11:48.000 –> 00:11:51.000
And I think it was in two thousand00:11:52.000 –> 00:11:52.000
and twelve.00:11:53.000 –> 00:11:55.000
We were opening pasteria,00:11:56.000 –> 00:11:57.000
which was our fourth restaurant00:11:58.000 –> 00:11:59.000
at the time, and00:12:00.000 –> 00:12:02.000
I was really, really struggling.00:12:03.000 –> 00:12:05.000
And I was struggling to to really manage00:12:05.000 –> 00:12:08.000
them all. They were all doing really well.00:12:09.000 –> 00:12:11.000
But all of a sudden I was managing00:12:11.000 –> 00:12:11.000
four places00:12:12.000 –> 00:12:14.000
and figured out I couldn’t really micromanage00:12:15.000 –> 00:12:18.000
four places. Yep. And and I didn’t quite00:12:18.000 –> 00:12:19.000
see it like that. I just at the00:12:19.000 –> 00:12:21.000
time saw it is, everybody sucked.00:12:23.000 –> 00:12:26.000
And why was everybody sucking and and not00:12:26.000 –> 00:12:28.000
doing what they were supposed to do? And,00:12:28.000 –> 00:12:29.000
you know,00:12:29.000 –> 00:12:30.000
you know,00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:32.000
after a little bit came to the realization00:12:32.000 –> 00:12:33.000
is00:12:33.000 –> 00:12:35.000
because I sucked.00:12:35.000 –> 00:12:37.000
Yeah. It looks thin. Yeah. You know, I00:12:37.000 –> 00:12:39.000
sucked. That was a horror manager.00:12:39.000 –> 00:12:40.000
And,00:12:40.000 –> 00:12:42.000
I’d never really learned how to00:12:42.000 –> 00:12:43.000
to manage.00:12:44.000 –> 00:12:45.000
Right? You know, like,00:12:45.000 –> 00:12:47.000
in a restaurant when you’re being trained as00:12:47.000 –> 00:12:49.000
a chef, at least back then. It was,00:12:49.000 –> 00:12:51.000
you know, again, it was very cutthroat. It00:12:51.000 –> 00:12:54.000
was very kind of military brigade system.00:12:54.000 –> 00:12:57.000
It was, you know, I’m the chef. Yes,00:12:57.000 –> 00:12:57.000
chef.00:12:58.000 –> 00:13:00.000
You know, if I tell you to do00:13:00.000 –> 00:13:00.000
something,00:13:00.000 –> 00:13:02.000
you better fucking do it and you better00:13:02.000 –> 00:13:04.000
do it fast and you better do it00:13:04.000 –> 00:13:04.000
right,00:13:05.000 –> 00:13:06.000
to be pissed,00:13:06.000 –> 00:13:08.000
you know, and you, you know, it was00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:09.000
it was a lot of leading out of00:13:09.000 –> 00:13:12.000
fear and and stuff. And, you know, I00:13:12.000 –> 00:13:15.000
had I re read this book called Delivering00:13:15.000 –> 00:13:17.000
Happiness. Have you ever read that one? Sean00:13:17.000 –> 00:13:18.000
Anchor, maybe. Tony,00:13:19.000 –> 00:13:22.000
Shay Okay. Who, found out I never know00:13:22.000 –> 00:13:24.000
if I’m saying his last name, right? But00:13:24.000 –> 00:13:26.000
founded Zapos. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And,00:13:27.000 –> 00:13:31.000
and, you know, that that just clicked all00:13:31.000 –> 00:13:32.000
of a sudden. I mean, it was it00:13:32.000 –> 00:13:34.000
was sometimes you read a book00:13:34.000 –> 00:13:35.000
right when you need to read a book.00:13:35.000 –> 00:13:37.000
Yeah. And that was that book. And it,00:13:38.000 –> 00:13:40.000
then introduced me to,00:13:44.000 –> 00:13:45.000
tribal leadership.00:13:46.000 –> 00:13:48.000
And so tribal leadership then kind of like,00:13:49.000 –> 00:13:51.000
gave that a voice, gave that a language,00:13:51.000 –> 00:13:52.000
you know, and, you know, we started to00:13:52.000 –> 00:13:54.000
talk about, you know,00:13:56.000 –> 00:13:56.000
we.00:13:56.000 –> 00:14:00.000
Right? You know, and and your language and00:14:00.000 –> 00:14:03.000
and how the way you speak really kind00:14:03.000 –> 00:14:04.000
of affects,00:14:04.000 –> 00:14:07.000
you know, everybody around you, and it also00:14:07.000 –> 00:14:08.000
affects00:14:08.000 –> 00:14:11.000
the way that you’re acting. Right? So everything’s00:14:11.000 –> 00:14:12.000
kind of like a language.00:14:13.000 –> 00:14:15.000
And so, you know, going from eye to00:14:15.000 –> 00:14:18.000
we was the biggest shift in our culture.00:14:19.000 –> 00:14:21.000
And I think that’s the most the culture00:14:21.000 –> 00:14:23.000
part of it’s the most applicable part across00:14:23.000 –> 00:14:25.000
the board. I love that, man. Because I00:14:25.000 –> 00:14:26.000
it’s so true. We talk about our firm.00:14:26.000 –> 00:14:28.000
You know, so is it my firm is00:14:28.000 –> 00:14:30.000
our firm and and my business partner and00:14:30.000 –> 00:14:31.000
I, we’re we’re very locked in on that00:14:31.000 –> 00:14:33.000
one because people wanna be a part of00:14:33.000 –> 00:14:34.000
something. Right? I mean, And and at what00:14:34.000 –> 00:14:37.000
point did you believe in hiring people? I00:14:37.000 –> 00:14:39.000
look back at the amazing Claire back there00:14:39.000 –> 00:14:41.000
who upset all this up. Hi, Claire. And,00:14:42.000 –> 00:14:44.000
like, in in believing in other people and00:14:44.000 –> 00:14:45.000
letting go. Right? Cause that was a big00:14:45.000 –> 00:14:47.000
one for me is when you started having00:14:47.000 –> 00:14:48.000
multiple teammates00:14:49.000 –> 00:14:51.000
is, you know, coming from the janitor to00:14:51.000 –> 00:14:53.000
the CEO, and now you’ve got all these00:14:53.000 –> 00:14:55.000
people, like, at at what point was it00:14:55.000 –> 00:14:56.000
for you? What was the a moment? Do00:14:56.000 –> 00:14:58.000
do you recall that? Yeah. I mean, I00:14:58.000 –> 00:14:59.000
think this was the00:15:00.000 –> 00:15:02.000
a moment. I mean, I was so stressed00:15:02.000 –> 00:15:04.000
out. I was stressed out.00:15:05.000 –> 00:15:06.000
Seriously overweight,00:15:07.000 –> 00:15:08.000
just00:15:08.000 –> 00:15:09.000
angry.00:15:09.000 –> 00:15:10.000
And,00:15:10.000 –> 00:15:13.000
you know, I was just overall miserable, and00:15:13.000 –> 00:15:13.000
I knew00:15:14.000 –> 00:15:16.000
I think, you know, in reading this stuff,00:15:16.000 –> 00:15:18.000
you knew that I had to do a00:15:18.000 –> 00:15:21.000
better job at training people. Right? Yeah. And,00:15:22.000 –> 00:15:25.000
you know, it’s started. It started with me,00:15:25.000 –> 00:15:27.000
but then, you know, as we kind of00:15:27.000 –> 00:15:29.000
started to come together as a group, we00:15:29.000 –> 00:15:31.000
realized that if we can00:15:31.000 –> 00:15:33.000
train people the right way,00:15:34.000 –> 00:15:35.000
you know, and if we can,00:15:36.000 –> 00:15:38.000
instill our values,00:15:38.000 –> 00:15:39.000
across everybody,00:15:40.000 –> 00:15:43.000
then everybody can kind of be thought leaders.00:15:43.000 –> 00:15:45.000
Everybody can kind of start to make their00:15:45.000 –> 00:15:47.000
own decisions based on those00:15:47.000 –> 00:15:50.000
values. Right? And and I think that that’s00:15:50.000 –> 00:15:52.000
the real key. It was kind of like00:15:52.000 –> 00:15:53.000
distilling our core values,00:15:53.000 –> 00:15:56.000
figuring out what made us tick. Yeah. And00:15:56.000 –> 00:15:59.000
then maybe how to teach people how to00:15:59.000 –> 00:16:01.000
think like that. Do you articulate those values00:16:01.000 –> 00:16:02.000
to people? Like, would would they be able00:16:02.000 –> 00:16:03.000
to say, hey, maybe they’re on the wall00:16:03.000 –> 00:16:05.000
or whatever? Like, They’re they’re not on the00:16:05.000 –> 00:16:07.000
wall. We we’d we’d do our Brett. And00:16:07.000 –> 00:16:10.000
we we keep it pretty Brett simple. We00:16:10.000 –> 00:16:11.000
only have five00:16:11.000 –> 00:16:13.000
five core values.00:16:13.000 –> 00:16:15.000
So That’s awesome. Yeah. But they can articulate00:16:15.000 –> 00:16:17.000
those, which is a big deal. So how00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:18.000
how do you then adapt to change? So00:16:18.000 –> 00:16:20.000
that was a change. Right? Now, hey, I’m00:16:20.000 –> 00:16:22.000
moving forward. I’ve got these amazing people. I’m00:16:22.000 –> 00:16:24.000
a be a better boss. How did you00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:26.000
adapt to change now to take it to00:16:26.000 –> 00:16:28.000
the level you’ve taken it to today? Yeah.00:16:28.000 –> 00:16:30.000
I think that was kind of a one00:16:30.000 –> 00:16:31.000
foot in front of the other. You know,00:16:31.000 –> 00:16:33.000
I think I came back from, you know,00:16:33.000 –> 00:16:35.000
I at that time, I was on this00:16:35.000 –> 00:16:37.000
long Gilliland,00:16:37.000 –> 00:16:38.000
came back from this trip, you know, just00:16:38.000 –> 00:16:41.000
charged, right? And, you know, let’s go. We’re00:16:41.000 –> 00:16:43.000
gonna change everything overnight.00:16:45.000 –> 00:16:46.000
And, you know, quickly realized00:16:47.000 –> 00:16:48.000
that that00:16:48.000 –> 00:16:51.000
that doesn’t happen. Yep. In fact, I think00:16:51.000 –> 00:16:54.000
when I told her now director of service,00:16:55.000 –> 00:16:57.000
but she was a a server at the00:16:57.000 –> 00:16:58.000
time. I told her that we were, you00:16:58.000 –> 00:17:01.000
know, gonna be making these changes. She just00:17:01.000 –> 00:17:04.000
laughed. Yeah. She Right? I believe when I00:17:04.000 –> 00:17:05.000
see it, dude.00:17:05.000 –> 00:17:07.000
Absolutely. And rightly so. Right? You know? But00:17:07.000 –> 00:17:08.000
I think you gotta show up every day.00:17:08.000 –> 00:17:10.000
Right? I mean, that’s the thing I think00:17:10.000 –> 00:17:12.000
about when growing a business is even on00:17:12.000 –> 00:17:14.000
the days you don’t wanna show up, you00:17:14.000 –> 00:17:15.000
show up. And you gotta walk the walk,00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:16.000
you know.00:17:17.000 –> 00:17:19.000
Yeah. That’s amazing. So, again, change, talk about00:17:19.000 –> 00:17:21.000
COVID, man. That that had to be of00:17:21.000 –> 00:17:23.000
any business that had to be one of00:17:23.000 –> 00:17:26.000
the biggest people, I think, in hospitality, to00:17:26.000 –> 00:17:28.000
make a change, right, during all that. What00:17:28.000 –> 00:17:29.000
what did you learn00:17:29.000 –> 00:17:31.000
as a leader, as an owner, as an00:17:31.000 –> 00:17:31.000
entrepreneur,00:17:31.000 –> 00:17:33.000
as a dad? Like, what did you learn00:17:33.000 –> 00:17:36.000
during that time frame? In COVID? Yeah. Oh00:17:36.000 –> 00:17:37.000
my god.00:17:39.000 –> 00:17:41.000
God, that was really horrible. Wasn’t it? Yeah.00:17:42.000 –> 00:17:44.000
No. I, you know, I think we were00:17:44.000 –> 00:17:44.000
fortunately00:17:47.000 –> 00:17:50.000
you know, hitting hitting peak culture00:17:50.000 –> 00:17:52.000
at that time, which was awesome because it00:17:52.000 –> 00:17:53.000
really00:17:54.000 –> 00:17:55.000
You know, it really no. I really mean00:17:55.000 –> 00:17:58.000
it was awesome because it it really,00:17:58.000 –> 00:18:01.000
everybody was working so well together.00:18:02.000 –> 00:18:04.000
And I think we needed that. Right? We00:18:04.000 –> 00:18:06.000
needed that to get through. We needed everybody00:18:06.000 –> 00:18:09.000
kind of, you know, firing on all cylinders00:18:09.000 –> 00:18:11.000
thinking about everybody else. And,00:18:12.000 –> 00:18:15.000
you know, thinking about ourselves is is one00:18:15.000 –> 00:18:17.000
large team. And I think that’s what really,00:18:17.000 –> 00:18:19.000
you know, if if if COVID taught me00:18:19.000 –> 00:18:21.000
anything is that that works.00:18:21.000 –> 00:18:24.000
Yeah. You know, and that that’s really important.00:18:24.000 –> 00:18:26.000
And you saw, I think a lot of00:18:26.000 –> 00:18:28.000
other businesses, all of a sudden, trying to00:18:28.000 –> 00:18:29.000
kinda scramble,00:18:30.000 –> 00:18:32.000
you know, to to work on this culture00:18:32.000 –> 00:18:33.000
thing,00:18:33.000 –> 00:18:36.000
when all their employees left, you know, and00:18:36.000 –> 00:18:38.000
I think we were in a great great00:18:38.000 –> 00:18:38.000
position,00:18:39.000 –> 00:18:41.000
because of that. Yeah. It’s funny you talk00:18:41.000 –> 00:18:44.000
about that culture is during COVID for us,00:18:44.000 –> 00:18:46.000
it was, you know, being in the finance00:18:46.000 –> 00:18:47.000
world. We were able to obviously have conference00:18:47.000 –> 00:18:48.000
calls and Zoom calls and do a lot00:18:48.000 –> 00:18:50.000
of stuff with clients, but,00:18:50.000 –> 00:18:52.000
you know, as a as a leader, we00:18:52.000 –> 00:18:53.000
had to make a decision that people weren’t00:18:53.000 –> 00:18:55.000
gonna come in the office Gilliland by about00:18:55.000 –> 00:18:57.000
July, I think it was July of twenty00:18:57.000 –> 00:18:58.000
twenty. So only three or four months into00:18:58.000 –> 00:19:01.000
this, our culture said to us,00:19:01.000 –> 00:19:02.000
we wanna be back together.00:19:03.000 –> 00:19:04.000
You know, and so it’s like it was00:19:04.000 –> 00:19:06.000
starting to have a negative effect by not00:19:06.000 –> 00:19:07.000
being together on us. Right? And so it00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:08.000
was cool to be able to make that00:19:08.000 –> 00:19:11.000
change and be like, alright. Signed this form00:19:11.000 –> 00:19:12.000
every day. We’re not taking responsibility to show00:19:12.000 –> 00:19:14.000
up and get sick because nobody knew at00:19:14.000 –> 00:19:16.000
that time. And Yeah. People started showing back00:19:16.000 –> 00:19:18.000
up, and it was amazing how that culture00:19:18.000 –> 00:19:20.000
and those values and that connection was super00:19:20.000 –> 00:19:22.000
important to people Yeah. That made our our00:19:22.000 –> 00:19:24.000
culture start to go in in the right00:19:24.000 –> 00:19:27.000
direction again, which was a big moment. Yeah.00:19:27.000 –> 00:19:29.000
I think kinda let everybody take it the00:19:29.000 –> 00:19:29.000
way they00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:32.000
they were ready to take it. Yeah. Right?00:19:32.000 –> 00:19:34.000
You know, I think there were people that00:19:34.000 –> 00:19:35.000
were ready to come back and00:19:36.000 –> 00:19:39.000
and and work, and we all kind of,00:19:39.000 –> 00:19:41.000
you know, did that. And we tried to00:19:41.000 –> 00:19:44.000
do that in the safest way possible, and00:19:44.000 –> 00:19:44.000
and,00:19:45.000 –> 00:19:46.000
you know, worked a lot with, you know,00:19:46.000 –> 00:19:50.000
a lot of the community leaders, the doctors00:19:50.000 –> 00:19:51.000
in the area that were kind of advising00:19:51.000 –> 00:19:54.000
us and in in giving us good intel00:19:54.000 –> 00:19:56.000
on on how we could maybe do it00:19:56.000 –> 00:19:57.000
more safely00:19:58.000 –> 00:20:00.000
and, trying to help our friends do the00:20:00.000 –> 00:20:01.000
exact same things.00:20:01.000 –> 00:20:03.000
And, you know, I think,00:20:04.000 –> 00:20:05.000
again, we we we had a lot of00:20:05.000 –> 00:20:07.000
voices on the team, and,00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:10.000
we all worked together really well to kind00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:11.000
of push ourselves00:20:12.000 –> 00:20:15.000
through a really, really rough time. So on00:20:15.000 –> 00:20:16.000
the adapting to change,00:20:17.000 –> 00:20:18.000
talk about needs. You you’ve talked about the00:20:18.000 –> 00:20:20.000
restaurant. And and you decided to close it00:20:20.000 –> 00:20:21.000
when it was00:20:22.000 –> 00:20:24.000
booming. Right? Successful. And so, again, last night,00:20:24.000 –> 00:20:26.000
I’m doing my work. I’m researching you. And00:20:26.000 –> 00:20:27.000
I know the story. Right? I was in00:20:27.000 –> 00:20:29.000
St. That happened and and like, hey, there’s00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:31.000
a successful restaurant close, and you normally hear00:20:31.000 –> 00:20:33.000
the other way. Right? So it’s a head00:20:33.000 –> 00:20:35.000
scratcher as a business leader. This thing’s working00:20:35.000 –> 00:20:37.000
the guy had the guts to go out00:20:37.000 –> 00:20:39.000
there and close a successful restaurant.00:20:39.000 –> 00:20:41.000
Walk me through that. What the hell was00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:43.000
going on in your mind when that happened?00:20:44.000 –> 00:20:47.000
You know, I think Nish was always tough.00:20:47.000 –> 00:20:50.000
Right? And Nish was a very tough restaurant00:20:50.000 –> 00:20:51.000
to00:20:51.000 –> 00:20:54.000
operate. And, you know, we started in two00:20:54.000 –> 00:20:56.000
thousand five, and I think we00:20:56.000 –> 00:20:59.000
closed it in in what, two thousand, and,00:21:00.000 –> 00:21:01.000
seventeen.00:21:02.000 –> 00:21:04.000
You know, so that that’s a very long00:21:04.000 –> 00:21:06.000
run for that restaurant. It was a very00:21:06.000 –> 00:21:06.000
personal00:21:07.000 –> 00:21:08.000
restaurant.00:21:08.000 –> 00:21:09.000
And, you know, I know00:21:10.000 –> 00:21:12.000
that I had just passed the reins off00:21:12.000 –> 00:21:15.000
in two thousand fifteen as chef to Nate00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:19.000
Hariford, who now is the successful chicken scratch00:21:19.000 –> 00:21:19.000
restaurant.00:21:22.000 –> 00:21:23.000
And I just00:21:24.000 –> 00:21:26.000
You know, it was it was00:21:26.000 –> 00:21:28.000
it was it’s such a good point that00:21:28.000 –> 00:21:29.000
I never really wanted this this restaurant00:21:33.000 –> 00:21:36.000
to start falling backwards. Yep. And I never00:21:36.000 –> 00:21:38.000
wanted to, you know, be ten years down00:21:38.000 –> 00:21:39.000
the road from there00:21:41.000 –> 00:21:44.000
with everybody being like, oh, yeah. There’s there’s00:21:44.000 –> 00:21:46.000
niche. It’s still there.00:21:46.000 –> 00:21:48.000
You know, like Same old thing. Not the00:21:48.000 –> 00:21:50.000
hot spot anymore or whatever. You know, I00:21:50.000 –> 00:21:53.000
just I I I wanted it to, you00:21:53.000 –> 00:21:55.000
know, I wanted the legacy of niche,00:21:56.000 –> 00:21:58.000
you know, to, to end right there. It00:21:58.000 –> 00:22:00.000
was kinda like that. That moment. We had00:22:00.000 –> 00:22:02.000
won the James Beard award two years before.00:22:03.000 –> 00:22:04.000
It was just kind of00:22:05.000 –> 00:22:07.000
it just felt like that time. Yeah.00:22:07.000 –> 00:22:09.000
Well, take some guts, man. Well, I don’t00:22:09.000 –> 00:22:11.000
know if it’s guts here. Just so we’re00:22:11.000 –> 00:22:12.000
always here. I I think it it is00:22:12.000 –> 00:22:14.000
amazing, but it but you’re right. It’s like00:22:14.000 –> 00:22:15.000
you were talking about our, you know, you00:22:15.000 –> 00:22:16.000
have a senior, I have a senior.00:22:16.000 –> 00:22:18.000
Is it’d be like holding our kids back,00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:20.000
right, not letting them go. And I think00:22:20.000 –> 00:22:22.000
your decision to close that was probably has00:22:22.000 –> 00:22:23.000
catapulted you into another level of belief00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:28.000
growth and expectations. Would you agree with that?00:22:28.000 –> 00:22:30.000
Yeah. And I think, you know, it’s just00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:33.000
kind of it’s it’s allowed us to change00:22:34.000 –> 00:22:36.000
what we do and what I do specifically00:22:36.000 –> 00:22:38.000
Yep. For the company, you know, as opposed00:22:38.000 –> 00:22:39.000
to, you know, being on the line or00:22:39.000 –> 00:22:40.000
or whatever on on00:22:42.000 –> 00:22:44.000
such a regular basis,00:22:45.000 –> 00:22:47.000
and kind of, you know, traveling to represent00:22:47.000 –> 00:22:49.000
niche around the country, which I was doing00:22:49.000 –> 00:22:50.000
all the time.00:22:51.000 –> 00:22:53.000
You know, this allowed me to kind of00:22:53.000 –> 00:22:54.000
really be the CEO00:22:55.000 –> 00:22:57.000
of the company. Yeah. And I actually00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:59.000
do the things that I needed to do00:22:59.000 –> 00:23:01.000
to to grow the company and to, you00:23:01.000 –> 00:23:02.000
know,00:23:03.000 –> 00:23:05.000
give back to our investors and and00:23:05.000 –> 00:23:07.000
and help us Brett to the next level.00:23:07.000 –> 00:23:09.000
How hard was it for you to leave00:23:09.000 –> 00:23:11.000
the kitchen and get into, again, the the00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:13.000
boardroom, if you will, how hard was that00:23:13.000 –> 00:23:14.000
for you? It’s still hard.00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:17.000
Yeah. That’s your passion. That’s your baby. I00:23:17.000 –> 00:23:20.000
I enjoy cooking. I really do. And,00:23:21.000 –> 00:23:23.000
I wouldn’t say I’m the best CEO in00:23:23.000 –> 00:23:23.000
the world00:23:24.000 –> 00:23:26.000
You know, I’m I I know there there’s00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:28.000
there’s far better than than me out there.00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:31.000
I’m constantly trying, but, you know, it it’s00:23:31.000 –> 00:23:33.000
tough to to step away and just kind00:23:33.000 –> 00:23:35.000
of do what you need to do at00:23:35.000 –> 00:23:37.000
the time versus what you want to do00:23:37.000 –> 00:23:40.000
at the time. So talk about building brand.00:23:40.000 –> 00:23:42.000
Obviously, the the the niche group, because there00:23:42.000 –> 00:23:44.000
are heavy restaurants total are there right now?00:23:44.000 –> 00:23:44.000
God.00:23:45.000 –> 00:23:47.000
Well, we have some shifting going on right00:23:47.000 –> 00:23:49.000
now. So it’s it’s messing with my car00:23:49.000 –> 00:23:51.000
at the end of January. A little bit.00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:54.000
You know, we’ve, cinder house, has closed.00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:58.000
And Rockwell. It’s my favorite chicken sandwich downtown00:23:58.000 –> 00:24:00.000
here. So the period period? Yeah.00:24:01.000 –> 00:24:02.000
I’m sorry. I don’t know what that is,00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:03.000
but it’s some good stuff. I do a00:24:03.000 –> 00:24:06.000
meeting there once a quarter. Yeah. Every quarter,00:24:06.000 –> 00:24:08.000
I do a meeting there, an off-site retreat.00:24:08.000 –> 00:24:10.000
So I anybody listening. Take your team off-site.00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:11.000
You go somewhere. You learn. You you think00:24:11.000 –> 00:24:12.000
you strategize.00:24:13.000 –> 00:24:14.000
We always went there, and that’s a chicken00:24:14.000 –> 00:24:16.000
sandwich I had every time. Yeah. No. I00:24:16.000 –> 00:24:18.000
s senator I was one of my favorite00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:19.000
places.00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:22.000
But, you know, it it’s business. We,00:24:23.000 –> 00:24:25.000
you know, we had a five year contract00:24:25.000 –> 00:24:26.000
and,00:24:26.000 –> 00:24:28.000
you know, they’re owned by,00:24:29.000 –> 00:24:31.000
Caesar’s Palace, Okay. And, you know, they wanna00:24:31.000 –> 00:24:33.000
do something, I think, a little more bagasse.00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000
And, you know, it’s not your style.00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:39.000
Well, I, you know, I it’s also just00:24:39.000 –> 00:24:41.000
not me. I’m not I’m not from Vegas.00:24:41.000 –> 00:24:43.000
You know, I am not a Vegas restaurant.00:24:43.000 –> 00:24:44.000
Oh, it’s funny.00:24:45.000 –> 00:24:47.000
But a brands for what strategies,00:24:47.000 –> 00:24:49.000
maybe mindset, thoughts do you have when you00:24:49.000 –> 00:24:52.000
think about your brands, you name your brands,00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:54.000
you design your brands, what what does that00:24:54.000 –> 00:24:56.000
look like? What’s that process look like for00:24:56.000 –> 00:24:56.000
you?00:24:57.000 –> 00:24:59.000
Yeah. So I a lot of research,00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:02.000
you know, we really wanna kind of dive00:25:02.000 –> 00:25:02.000
into00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:04.000
that world,00:25:04.000 –> 00:25:07.000
whatever that might be. And,00:25:07.000 –> 00:25:10.000
you know, so for the, you know, Craft00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:13.000
cocktail world. Fortunately, it’s one that we’ve been00:25:13.000 –> 00:25:15.000
in for a long time because00:25:15.000 –> 00:25:18.000
taste, you know, was one of the00:25:19.000 –> 00:25:21.000
one of the, you know, kind of original00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000
craft cocktail bars in the country. I mean,00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:26.000
there was, you know, there was a couple00:25:26.000 –> 00:25:28.000
dozen at the time that we that we00:25:28.000 –> 00:25:29.000
opened. So,00:25:30.000 –> 00:25:34.000
really kind of immersing ourselves in that experience00:25:34.000 –> 00:25:36.000
and just kinda going through all the details,00:25:36.000 –> 00:25:38.000
you know, what What what does the menu00:25:38.000 –> 00:25:40.000
look like? What do people00:25:40.000 –> 00:25:43.000
really enjoy? What do people want?00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:45.000
Is this a, you know, luxurious00:25:45.000 –> 00:25:47.000
experience, or is it a kind of divey00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:50.000
experience? Is this, you know, which this is00:25:50.000 –> 00:25:50.000
decidedly00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:52.000
luxurious?00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:54.000
Know, how do we want the service to00:25:54.000 –> 00:25:56.000
be? How do we want the00:25:56.000 –> 00:25:58.000
the servers to00:25:58.000 –> 00:26:01.000
to dress? How do we want00:26:02.000 –> 00:26:04.000
the ice to look. What is the lighting?00:26:04.000 –> 00:26:06.000
You know, I mean, there’s we we try00:26:06.000 –> 00:26:08.000
to really dive into every little piece00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:12.000
of that restaurant in that genre,00:26:13.000 –> 00:26:15.000
to try to get it right. Big guys00:26:15.000 –> 00:26:16.000
are little eyes for the bourbon.00:26:17.000 –> 00:26:20.000
For me, no ice. No ice. Yeah.00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:22.000
But, you know,00:26:22.000 –> 00:26:25.000
for if I’m drinking gin and soda,00:26:26.000 –> 00:26:28.000
I have a thing where I actually don’t00:26:28.000 –> 00:26:30.000
like the big ice cube because I kind00:26:30.000 –> 00:26:32.000
of want it to to keep melting a00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:35.000
little bit. Yeah. I think the big ice00:26:35.000 –> 00:26:37.000
has its place. Yeah. You know,00:26:37.000 –> 00:26:39.000
when you don’t want any dilution, you just00:26:39.000 –> 00:26:41.000
want it kind of cold.00:26:41.000 –> 00:26:43.000
But if you wanna kinda dilute it, I00:26:43.000 –> 00:26:45.000
like the, I like the little eyes. I’m00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:47.000
a big ice guy in the bourbon. Yeah.00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:48.000
Not that you really care, but,00:26:50.000 –> 00:26:50.000
so,00:26:51.000 –> 00:26:52.000
locations. So I think for me, we have00:26:52.000 –> 00:26:54.000
eight office locations, and I think, you know,00:26:54.000 –> 00:26:56.000
the hardest part is when you had one,00:26:56.000 –> 00:26:57.000
you could walk to go get a cup00:26:57.000 –> 00:26:59.000
of water and and touch everybody in your00:26:59.000 –> 00:27:02.000
Right? Now with eight locations, you can’t do00:27:02.000 –> 00:27:03.000
that. And you may go months, right, without00:27:03.000 –> 00:27:06.000
seeing somebody. So how do you, one,00:27:06.000 –> 00:27:09.000
touch everybody in in the company, but number00:27:09.000 –> 00:27:12.000
two, how do you, expect the the customer00:27:12.000 –> 00:27:14.000
service to be this, not necessarily the same,00:27:14.000 –> 00:27:16.000
but high value, high customer service at all00:27:16.000 –> 00:27:17.000
the locations?00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:19.000
Yeah. I mean, number one, your manager is00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:22.000
everything. Yeah. Right. Your your GM00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:23.000
is00:27:24.000 –> 00:27:26.000
is the place. You know, whether you whether00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:28.000
whether you think you’re the place or or00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000
not, like that your00:27:30.000 –> 00:27:32.000
your GM is is the person for better00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:35.000
or worse. So, you know, hiring that person’s00:27:35.000 –> 00:27:36.000
huge.00:27:38.000 –> 00:27:39.000
You know, I think always trying to keep00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:40.000
communication00:27:40.000 –> 00:27:42.000
channels open somehow.00:27:42.000 –> 00:27:44.000
Something that we’ve always kind of worked on00:27:44.000 –> 00:27:46.000
and, you know, we’ve we’ve used to different00:27:46.000 –> 00:27:48.000
things like the local company here, Bonfire,00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:52.000
or even just kinda like WhatsApp threads Mhmm.00:27:53.000 –> 00:27:55.000
Stuff like that to really try to00:27:55.000 –> 00:27:57.000
to keep that connection00:27:58.000 –> 00:28:00.000
going. You know? So even if you it,00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
you know, be there in person. Like, for00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:02.000
instance,00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:05.000
Nashville, I I can only get there. Usually00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:08.000
for one week, every five weeks. It used00:28:08.000 –> 00:28:10.000
to be once a month. Now it’s every00:28:10.000 –> 00:28:10.000
five weeks.00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:14.000
You know, so you you still have to00:28:14.000 –> 00:28:16.000
kind of keep some dialogue. And so you00:28:16.000 –> 00:28:18.000
know, and I’ll I’ll go through different things00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:21.000
where I’ll set up, one on ones, you00:28:21.000 –> 00:28:24.000
know, phone calls or group phone calls with00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:27.000
different people to try to again, start talking00:28:27.000 –> 00:28:28.000
about00:28:28.000 –> 00:28:31.000
food, talk about dishes. Let’s talk about wine.00:28:32.000 –> 00:28:34.000
Let’s talk about service. Let’s talk about finance.00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:36.000
Yeah. You know, so try to connect with00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
people at different levels00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:41.000
at different times too. So I don’t want00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:42.000
it to always be like,00:28:42.000 –> 00:28:45.000
just me calling about why the P and00:28:45.000 –> 00:28:46.000
L list sucks.00:28:46.000 –> 00:28:48.000
But, you know, I want it to be00:28:48.000 –> 00:28:50.000
like, yo, you know, let’s let’s talk about00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:53.000
Amelia Romagna. Yeah. Let’s talk about food and00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:56.000
How how much do you let them decide00:28:56.000 –> 00:28:57.000
what’s on the menu?00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
A lot. You have a lot00:29:00.000 –> 00:29:01.000
lot of leeway.00:29:02.000 –> 00:29:05.000
You know, again, you’re you’re hiring professionals Gilliland,00:29:06.000 –> 00:29:07.000
you know, I think00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:10.000
honesty is one of our core values.00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:13.000
And I think that’s where, you know, we00:29:13.000 –> 00:29:15.000
get the these conversations going. Right? You know,00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:18.000
we we’re all very honest with each other00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:19.000
about what’s working.00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:23.000
What’s not working, what’s good, what’s not good.00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
You know, we added hospitality00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:26.000
into those,00:29:28.000 –> 00:29:30.000
core values because I think, you know, in00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
the early days, I was not so nice00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:34.000
about how honest I was Yeah. About everything.00:29:34.000 –> 00:29:35.000
More delivery.00:29:36.000 –> 00:29:36.000
Yeah.00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:39.000
Yeah. Way better delivery. And00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:42.000
Working on your side. Yeah. But, you know,00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:44.000
but it You know, when we when we00:29:44.000 –> 00:29:46.000
first shifted our culture and we were trying00:29:46.000 –> 00:29:48.000
to kinda, like, soften the culture,00:29:49.000 –> 00:29:51.000
like, that honesty piece started to go away00:29:51.000 –> 00:29:52.000
for a little bit. And that what we00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:53.000
realized how00:29:54.000 –> 00:29:54.000
crucial00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
that piece is. And it’s really hard for00:29:58.000 –> 00:29:59.000
people to00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:00.000
to00:30:01.000 –> 00:30:03.000
come to if they’re coming from somewhere else.00:30:03.000 –> 00:30:04.000
Yep. It’s hard for them to hear all00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:07.000
that honesty, and it’s hard for them to00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:07.000
give00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:10.000
all that honesty. But, yeah, I think that00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:11.000
piece is critical00:30:11.000 –> 00:30:12.000
when you have multiple.00:30:13.000 –> 00:30:15.000
Yeah. The feedback’s big. Gilliland if you’re not00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:17.000
opening the feedback as a leader, they’re not00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:18.000
gonna they’re not gonna bring it up to00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:20.000
you as well. Yeah. No. Which is tough.00:30:20.000 –> 00:30:22.000
If you gotta it’s a this is00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:24.000
a fair game over here, you know, this00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000
is, when when you say we,00:30:27.000 –> 00:30:29.000
you know, that means that everybody should be00:30:29.000 –> 00:30:33.000
honest. Yeah. You know, if you’re crappy CEO00:30:33.000 –> 00:30:35.000
and somebody wants to tell you, you know,00:30:35.000 –> 00:30:38.000
why you gotta listen. Yeah. Yeah. And not00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:40.000
respond. Right? Listen is not response.00:30:41.000 –> 00:30:42.000
So if I followed you around, my boy00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:44.000
Matt over here follows you around with cameras,00:30:44.000 –> 00:30:46.000
let’s say, for, you know, the next week.00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:48.000
What what am I gonna see day in00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:49.000
and day out00:30:49.000 –> 00:30:51.000
that that Gerard Craft is not missing.00:30:52.000 –> 00:30:54.000
That I am not missing. Yeah. Like, are00:30:54.000 –> 00:30:56.000
there daily habits for you that are, like,00:30:56.000 –> 00:30:57.000
kinda non negotiables?00:30:59.000 –> 00:30:59.000
Coffee,00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:03.000
a lot of coffee. I have to have00:31:03.000 –> 00:31:05.000
three cups of coffee before I do anything00:31:06.000 –> 00:31:07.000
in the day.00:31:09.000 –> 00:31:10.000
You know, I00:31:10.000 –> 00:31:13.000
go through every single morning and and check00:31:13.000 –> 00:31:14.000
the shift notes.00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
And so I see, you know, what happened00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:18.000
in every single restaurant the night before00:31:19.000 –> 00:31:22.000
from sales to to, you know,00:31:23.000 –> 00:31:25.000
who might be in that we know, what00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:26.000
kind of regulars we’re in,00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:28.000
you know, anything bad that happened00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:30.000
in that service.00:31:30.000 –> 00:31:32.000
Oh, they making notes that, you know, John00:31:32.000 –> 00:31:34.000
and Sally were in and they’re gonna be00:31:34.000 –> 00:31:37.000
okay. So that just shows up Yep. So00:31:37.000 –> 00:31:39.000
it it at the end of every night00:31:39.000 –> 00:31:41.000
or end of every shift,00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:45.000
each manager puts in their shift notes. And00:31:45.000 –> 00:31:47.000
so, again, that goes sales, that goes,00:31:47.000 –> 00:31:49.000
you know, and just what happened. Yeah. You00:31:49.000 –> 00:31:51.000
know, give me give me a synopsis00:31:52.000 –> 00:31:53.000
of00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:54.000
of00:31:54.000 –> 00:31:56.000
what went down last night. And what does00:31:56.000 –> 00:31:57.000
that do for you in that moment? Did00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000
do you do anything with that information? Or00:31:59.000 –> 00:32:01.000
is that more of just let’s let’s watch00:32:01.000 –> 00:32:03.000
this, keep eye on it, or does it00:32:03.000 –> 00:32:04.000
actually change your daily,00:32:05.000 –> 00:32:07.000
Yeah. Some things might need a a direct00:32:07.000 –> 00:32:07.000
follow-up,00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:12.000
you know, or quick quick conversation. Like, what00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:12.000
the hell?00:32:13.000 –> 00:32:13.000
Last night.00:32:15.000 –> 00:32:15.000
You know,00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
or it’s just starting to kind of see00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:20.000
patterns. You know, this is where you really,00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:23.000
you know, just start to get a feel00:32:23.000 –> 00:32:25.000
for for what’s going on. You might say,00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:27.000
Hey, I need to spend I think I00:32:27.000 –> 00:32:28.000
need to spend a little more time00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:31.000
in this restaurant. Right? I need to to00:32:32.000 –> 00:32:34.000
shift more of my energy over here.00:32:35.000 –> 00:32:37.000
You know? Yeah. So I think that that00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:40.000
always kind of like starts my day00:32:40.000 –> 00:32:42.000
with the direction. Then I usually look at00:32:42.000 –> 00:32:43.000
my calendar00:32:44.000 –> 00:32:46.000
which I usually do right before I go00:32:46.000 –> 00:32:49.000
to sleep so I can set five million00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:49.000
alarms.00:32:51.000 –> 00:32:53.000
Because because my memory is really, really bad.00:32:53.000 –> 00:32:55.000
So I need five million alarms through the00:32:55.000 –> 00:32:58.000
day to to remind me that I have00:32:58.000 –> 00:32:59.000
something else00:32:59.000 –> 00:32:59.000
after.00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:00.000
But,00:33:01.000 –> 00:33:04.000
yeah, and then I then I usually kinda00:33:04.000 –> 00:33:04.000
head into00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:08.000
to either my office, which is over at00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:09.000
Boe wood,00:33:09.000 –> 00:33:11.000
or kinda pop into one of the restaurants.00:33:11.000 –> 00:33:12.000
And00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:13.000
Is it exercise,00:33:14.000 –> 00:33:15.000
eating? Is that a I mean, obviously, the00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:17.000
restaurant whatever the heck you want. But is00:33:17.000 –> 00:33:18.000
that is that to be a focus for00:33:18.000 –> 00:33:19.000
you?00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:21.000
Yeah. You know, so00:33:21.000 –> 00:33:22.000
I try to00:33:23.000 –> 00:33:26.000
work out every other day. Yep. It it00:33:26.000 –> 00:33:27.000
a minimum.00:33:27.000 –> 00:33:29.000
And, you know, that’s00:33:29.000 –> 00:33:32.000
usually on, like, a stationary bike trainer.00:33:33.000 –> 00:33:35.000
I live on some mountain bike trails. So,00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:37.000
you know, when the weather’s a little nicer,00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:39.000
I try to try to pop out on00:33:39.000 –> 00:33:41.000
the trails. Nice.00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:42.000
Get outside a little bit. But but that’s00:33:42.000 –> 00:33:43.000
definitely important. And when I’m not doing00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:48.000
that,00:33:48.000 –> 00:33:49.000
is bad. Yeah.00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:51.000
Need to get out. Need to Brett moving.00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
You gotta keep your body moving. Do you00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:54.000
have any of those moments? Like, I I00:33:54.000 –> 00:33:56.000
hate to call them pinch me moments, but00:33:56.000 –> 00:33:58.000
where you kinda you slow down and think00:33:58.000 –> 00:34:00.000
about some of the things that you’re doing00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000
and some of the situations you find yourself00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
in now from from where you’ve come from00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:06.000
to where you’re at now. Because I I00:34:06.000 –> 00:34:07.000
try to do that. Right? I’m like, like,00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
this. For me, this is freaking cool. Like,00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:10.000
this is really cool to do this. These00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
are pinch me moments is what I would00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:13.000
call them. Like, do you have any of00:34:13.000 –> 00:34:15.000
those moments? And do you slow down and00:34:15.000 –> 00:34:16.000
appreciate them enough?00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
You know, I’m I’m pretty hard on myself.00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:19.000
Yeah.00:34:20.000 –> 00:34:20.000
So,00:34:21.000 –> 00:34:23.000
you know, I I’m very grateful00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:26.000
for everything. Yep.00:34:27.000 –> 00:34:29.000
But, you know, I I think it’s really00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:31.000
hard to kind of00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:32.000
look back00:34:33.000 –> 00:34:35.000
and just be like, oh, this is awesome.00:34:35.000 –> 00:34:38.000
Yeah. When when something’s currently not awesome. Right?00:34:38.000 –> 00:34:40.000
You’re like, you know, and there’s kind of00:34:40.000 –> 00:34:43.000
always something that is currently not awesome.00:34:44.000 –> 00:34:44.000
So00:34:45.000 –> 00:34:47.000
every now and then, I definitely try to00:34:47.000 –> 00:34:48.000
do that.00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
You know, but it is tough. I I’m00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:53.000
I do some stuff with,00:34:54.000 –> 00:34:55.000
for team USA00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:57.000
with Boku store, Oh, cool. And and those00:34:57.000 –> 00:35:00.000
are usually pinch me moments because I’m like,00:35:00.000 –> 00:35:02.000
oh my god. What’s going on? Thomas Keller’s00:35:02.000 –> 00:35:05.000
over there? Daniel Blues’s over there. Like,00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:06.000
Paul Bartelodos00:35:06.000 –> 00:35:09.000
over there. Like, you know, we’re all just00:35:09.000 –> 00:35:12.000
talking. And so so some sometimes, you know,00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:15.000
I get in those moments where I’m like,00:35:15.000 –> 00:35:18.000
I probably shouldn’t be here, but somehow I00:35:18.000 –> 00:35:19.000
am.00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:20.000
Yeah. Which is awesome. Can I give you00:35:20.000 –> 00:35:22.000
an exercise on work? Uh-huh. Yeah. So I00:35:22.000 –> 00:35:24.000
do every ninety days. I do what’s called00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000
a gratitude worksheet. I go are you a00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:27.000
pic do you take a lot of pictures?00:35:27.000 –> 00:35:29.000
Yeah. So I go through every ninety days00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:31.000
the calendar quarter. So I just got done.00:35:31.000 –> 00:35:33.000
I go through and look at every picture00:35:33.000 –> 00:35:35.000
I took the last ninety days. And I00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:37.000
actually write down in my journal, like, what00:35:37.000 –> 00:35:38.000
I did. Hey, I’m sitting over here at00:35:38.000 –> 00:35:40.000
this thing, right, for Team USA.00:35:40.000 –> 00:35:42.000
Pretty cool. I did this. I had dinner00:35:42.000 –> 00:35:45.000
with friends here. And so for me, it00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:47.000
helps me every ninety days to look back00:35:47.000 –> 00:35:49.000
on those things that normally I don’t look00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:51.000
back on my pictures. Right? And you just00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:52.000
take them and then you never look at00:35:52.000 –> 00:35:53.000
them again. But what it’s helped me over00:35:53.000 –> 00:35:55.000
the last four or five years, is to00:35:55.000 –> 00:35:57.000
slow down to speed up, but slow down00:35:57.000 –> 00:35:58.000
so I can look at all the things00:35:58.000 –> 00:36:00.000
to be grateful for. And I find myself00:36:00.000 –> 00:36:03.000
in moments like this, knowing I can’t wait00:36:03.000 –> 00:36:05.000
to write this down on March thirty first00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:07.000
that I Brett with Gerard Craft, and we00:36:07.000 –> 00:36:09.000
had an awesome kick ass podcast. Right? Like,00:36:09.000 –> 00:36:11.000
helps me be in the moment. So That’s00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:13.000
cool. For whatever that’s worth, I should definitely00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:14.000
try that. Maybe give it a shot. I’ll00:36:14.000 –> 00:36:16.000
text you March thirty first and tell you00:36:16.000 –> 00:36:17.000
to look at your camera.00:36:17.000 –> 00:36:20.000
Any moments for you stick out where you,00:36:20.000 –> 00:36:22.000
like, this failure, this this thing that wasn’t00:36:22.000 –> 00:36:24.000
going well that sticks out for you that00:36:24.000 –> 00:36:26.000
you wanna share that that you could share00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:28.000
that had a really big moment in defining00:36:28.000 –> 00:36:31.000
moment for you. Oh my god. How many00:36:31.000 –> 00:36:33.000
how many failure moments do I have? You00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:35.000
know, so failure is one of our core00:36:35.000 –> 00:36:36.000
values. Okay.00:36:37.000 –> 00:36:39.000
I love that. Yeah. Well, embracing00:36:39.000 –> 00:36:40.000
it. And,00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
and and not to say, you know, failing00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:45.000
over and over at the same same thing,00:36:45.000 –> 00:36:48.000
but But, you know, we we all really00:36:48.000 –> 00:36:50.000
learn from our failures. Yep. Right? You know,00:36:50.000 –> 00:36:51.000
I think,00:36:52.000 –> 00:36:54.000
I I heard somebody talking recently about you00:36:54.000 –> 00:36:56.000
know, kids who maybe,00:36:57.000 –> 00:36:59.000
everything was easy for them in high school00:36:59.000 –> 00:37:00.000
or something. Right? Like,00:37:01.000 –> 00:37:01.000
you know,00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:03.000
guy who, you know,00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
you know, always had a date who, you00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:08.000
know, captain of the football team or whatever00:37:08.000 –> 00:37:12.000
often struggle later in life because they’re just00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:14.000
They just never had to, like, hustle or00:37:14.000 –> 00:37:16.000
figure it out to, like, get to that00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
Yep. Next level. And,00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
so so I think so many of the00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:22.000
failures in my life So maybe maybe I’m00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:25.000
more successful because I’ve failed so damn much.00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000
It’s like, let’s get a sky break. Yeah.00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:29.000
You know, and and,00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:32.000
increasingly in still do. So I think failures00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:33.000
are always,00:37:35.000 –> 00:37:38.000
always huge. You know, I think niche Nish00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:41.000
was a huge lesson in failure.00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000
And, you know, I think Nish, everybody looked00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:46.000
at Nish, is this, like, trajectory00:37:47.000 –> 00:37:49.000
from two thousand five to, you know, James00:37:49.000 –> 00:37:51.000
Beard award, Foon wine, best new chef,00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:54.000
and just kind of like just kept seeing00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:56.000
these things rack up.00:37:56.000 –> 00:37:57.000
But I think00:37:59.000 –> 00:37:59.000
definitely00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:01.000
there were two times that we were00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:05.000
hairs away from going out of business00:38:05.000 –> 00:38:07.000
that I was talking to people in New00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:09.000
York and DC about jobs.00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:12.000
You know, so00:38:12.000 –> 00:38:14.000
Like, I have been,00:38:15.000 –> 00:38:17.000
you know, two thousand eight financial crisis.00:38:20.000 –> 00:38:21.000
Was was definitely,00:38:22.000 –> 00:38:24.000
you know, it was actually probably two thousand00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:27.000
ten. Right? So, like, the tail and when00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:29.000
everything I feel like in Saint Louis was00:38:29.000 –> 00:38:30.000
was way harder.00:38:32.000 –> 00:38:34.000
And they had just shut our highway down.00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:37.000
Highway forty, which is like the main way00:38:37.000 –> 00:38:39.000
to get to niche back then,00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:40.000
and,00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:43.000
and it was brutal. And, you know, I00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:44.000
think working00:38:44.000 –> 00:38:47.000
working our way through that, you know, taught00:38:47.000 –> 00:38:48.000
us a lot. I mean, it taught me00:38:48.000 –> 00:38:50.000
a lot about finance because Yep. Because I00:38:50.000 –> 00:38:52.000
think I did not00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:54.000
understand finances00:38:54.000 –> 00:38:56.000
as well as I needed to00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:57.000
at that point.00:38:58.000 –> 00:38:58.000
And,00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:00.000
you know, I00:39:00.000 –> 00:39:02.000
you you learned so many of these lessons,00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:04.000
and we call a lot of these things00:39:04.000 –> 00:39:05.000
failure capital.00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:07.000
And,00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:10.000
you know, one one of our biggest failure00:39:10.000 –> 00:39:11.000
capitals was Pirano.00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:15.000
Which we’re reopening now. And it’s like this00:39:15.000 –> 00:39:17.000
this stock that you have. All these failures00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
are things to build on later. So Pirano00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:20.000
didn’t make it downtown.00:39:21.000 –> 00:39:23.000
You know, but here we are seven years00:39:23.000 –> 00:39:24.000
later00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
about to open, you know, in a few00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:28.000
months and to pair00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:29.000
with another one.00:39:30.000 –> 00:39:32.000
You know, I think it’s00:39:33.000 –> 00:39:35.000
sometimes things don’t happen00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:38.000
the way they’re supposed to happen because of00:39:38.000 –> 00:39:39.000
the time.00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:42.000
Right? You know, maybe it was too soon.00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:46.000
Or something like that, you know. So I00:39:46.000 –> 00:39:48.000
don’t know. I stack all my failures00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:50.000
away in a file that I can kind00:39:50.000 –> 00:39:53.000
of reach back to at any point in00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
time. Would would you say you’re a guy00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:55.000
that00:39:56.000 –> 00:39:57.000
do you dwell on the failure for a00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:59.000
long time, or is it kind of bounce?00:39:59.000 –> 00:40:01.000
I because I called the bounce theory. Right?00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:02.000
If I get bad news, I go to00:40:02.000 –> 00:40:03.000
my journal00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:05.000
I mean, literally, it could be within the00:40:05.000 –> 00:40:07.000
hour of, like, alright. Here’s how I’m gonna00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:09.000
get out of this Right? And I try00:40:09.000 –> 00:40:10.000
to create a plan. I’m a planner. Right?00:40:10.000 –> 00:40:11.000
So I try to create a plan of00:40:11.000 –> 00:40:13.000
how I’m gonna get out of that. Is00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:14.000
that something that you do? Are you more00:40:14.000 –> 00:40:15.000
of a,00:40:15.000 –> 00:40:16.000
yeah, maybe I’ll00:40:17.000 –> 00:40:18.000
let it sit there for a while, and00:40:18.000 –> 00:40:20.000
eventually I’ll think of something or like, how00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:22.000
does that work for you? No. I’m a00:40:22.000 –> 00:40:23.000
fighter. Okay. Yeah.00:40:23.000 –> 00:40:25.000
The same way. Right? You’re just gonna put00:40:25.000 –> 00:40:27.000
a plan together and fight. Let’s go. Going00:40:27.000 –> 00:40:28.000
after it in some00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:31.000
way in some way, shit. Probably sometimes I00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
should probably should step back. No problem. But00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:37.000
you’re confirming. Deeper Brett. And, you know, and00:40:37.000 –> 00:40:38.000
and really think it through. But, you know,00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:40.000
I think in those moments, you know, the00:40:40.000 –> 00:40:42.000
fight or flight kinda comes out and you00:40:42.000 –> 00:40:44.000
start going for it. You’re confirming what I’m00:40:44.000 –> 00:40:46.000
saying. The bounce back theory is what I00:40:46.000 –> 00:40:48.000
call it. Right? Because the I’ve seen it00:40:48.000 –> 00:40:50.000
now for twenty two years in business now00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:51.000
three hundred. And when I say earlier, three00:40:51.000 –> 00:40:54.000
hundred and sixty nine interviews later, like, the00:40:54.000 –> 00:40:56.000
most successful people bounce back immediately. Right? They00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:58.000
don’t dwell on it. They don’t have a00:40:58.000 –> 00:40:59.000
pity party. They just get up and they00:40:59.000 –> 00:41:01.000
go and they fight. And whether that’s fighting00:41:01.000 –> 00:41:03.000
or putting your plan together, whatever it is,00:41:03.000 –> 00:41:04.000
you gotta go take action and go make00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:06.000
things happen. And and that’s what, again, I’ve00:41:06.000 –> 00:41:09.000
seen for two decades now the most successful00:41:09.000 –> 00:41:11.000
people don’t dwell on it. They go make00:41:11.000 –> 00:41:13.000
it happen. So I definitely have a little00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:15.000
private pity party for myself.00:41:16.000 –> 00:41:18.000
Pick up customers, you know, get pissed off.00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:22.000
Let’s talk about work life integration. Most people00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:23.000
laugh when I say that because there’s work00:41:23.000 –> 00:41:25.000
life balance. I don’t believe in there’s work00:41:25.000 –> 00:41:27.000
life integration. Right? So you’re opening a new00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:27.000
place.00:41:28.000 –> 00:41:30.000
There’s no balance, man. You’re you’re probably here00:41:30.000 –> 00:41:31.000
doing a lot of stuff. Right? So how00:41:31.000 –> 00:41:34.000
do you work on that work life integration00:41:34.000 –> 00:41:35.000
part in life.00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:36.000
Yeah. You know,00:41:37.000 –> 00:41:41.000
I don’t believe him work like balance. I00:41:41.000 –> 00:41:43.000
don’t think that’s a Yeah. It’s not that00:41:43.000 –> 00:41:45.000
I don’t believe or want it. Yeah. Right.00:41:45.000 –> 00:41:48.000
I just don’t know that it’s always entirely00:41:48.000 –> 00:41:50.000
possible. You know, you For sure.00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000
And I hate for people to tell people00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:55.000
that it is. Right. Right? Like, oh, yeah.00:41:55.000 –> 00:41:57.000
You can be super successful and do all00:41:57.000 –> 00:41:58.000
these things, but00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:01.000
but you’re also only gonna work eight hours00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
a day. And then, like, that’s never gonna00:42:03.000 –> 00:42:05.000
happen. I mean, I’m sure it does, yeah,00:42:05.000 –> 00:42:08.000
occasionally, but it’s is definitely the exception of00:42:08.000 –> 00:42:10.000
the rule. And,00:42:10.000 –> 00:42:12.000
I don’t know. You know, I try to,00:42:12.000 –> 00:42:15.000
do things that that I enjoy doing. I00:42:15.000 –> 00:42:16.000
enjoy creating00:42:17.000 –> 00:42:20.000
You know, I really enjoy this Yep. This00:42:20.000 –> 00:42:20.000
work.00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:23.000
I enjoy the people00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:26.000
that I get to to work with00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:28.000
you know, and then I try to, you00:42:28.000 –> 00:42:31.000
know, like my business partner and I’ll pretty00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:34.000
much do our meetings, like, on a bike00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:36.000
or something like that. So, you know, that’s00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
always a a great way to do it.00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:39.000
I I met up with somebody from meeting00:42:39.000 –> 00:42:42.000
yesterday on a bike, and it was awesome.00:42:43.000 –> 00:42:45.000
You know, so, you know, I would say00:42:45.000 –> 00:42:47.000
to your point of integration, that’s kind of00:42:47.000 –> 00:42:50.000
one of those those types of moments. But,00:42:51.000 –> 00:42:52.000
or, you know,00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:54.000
is some of the things I get to00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
do, you know, some of the the boards00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:59.000
I join or or whatever, you know, involve00:42:59.000 –> 00:43:02.000
some some travel to some really cool places.00:43:02.000 –> 00:43:03.000
And,00:43:03.000 –> 00:43:04.000
you know,00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:07.000
or events, you know, in really cool places.00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:09.000
So I don’t know, you know, try to00:43:09.000 –> 00:43:10.000
have fun with it.00:43:11.000 –> 00:43:13.000
At the same time, but, you know,00:43:13.000 –> 00:43:14.000
it’s,00:43:14.000 –> 00:43:16.000
you know, it’s it’s what you choose in00:43:16.000 –> 00:43:18.000
life. I don’t think everybody needs to choose00:43:18.000 –> 00:43:20.000
that, and I don’t think it you know,00:43:20.000 –> 00:43:22.000
I don’t think being an entrepreneur is for,00:43:22.000 –> 00:43:25.000
as you know, is not for everybody. No.00:43:25.000 –> 00:43:27.000
And that’s where that balance is BS. Right?00:43:27.000 –> 00:43:29.000
Because, again, you could have I I just00:43:29.000 –> 00:43:30.000
got back from a seven or eight days00:43:30.000 –> 00:43:31.000
on vacation.00:43:31.000 –> 00:43:33.000
My work life balance was not there was00:43:33.000 –> 00:43:35.000
no work. Yeah. Right? All fan And then00:43:35.000 –> 00:43:37.000
but then when you got something going on,00:43:37.000 –> 00:43:38.000
you could have a lot more work than00:43:38.000 –> 00:43:40.000
family time. So I agree. I think it’s00:43:40.000 –> 00:43:42.000
BS, and that’s why I like the integration00:43:42.000 –> 00:43:44.000
part. What How do you how do you00:43:44.000 –> 00:43:46.000
personally continue your passion, your drive,00:43:47.000 –> 00:43:47.000
your purpose,00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
staying a student in the game? How do00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:51.000
you how do you do that?00:43:51.000 –> 00:43:53.000
One I read a lot.00:43:54.000 –> 00:43:54.000
You know,00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:56.000
and that’s everything from,00:43:57.000 –> 00:43:58.000
you know, cookbooks to,00:44:00.000 –> 00:44:01.000
to,00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:04.000
leadership books and,00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:06.000
you know, I try to study a lot00:44:06.000 –> 00:44:09.000
and, you know, diving into, to internet, you00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:12.000
know, just to to continue to00:44:12.000 –> 00:44:14.000
learn whatever that may be, that may be00:44:14.000 –> 00:44:17.000
business, that may be leadership, that may be00:44:17.000 –> 00:44:19.000
a new recipe that maybe,00:44:20.000 –> 00:44:20.000
design,00:44:21.000 –> 00:44:22.000
but I’m kind of always00:44:23.000 –> 00:44:23.000
always00:44:24.000 –> 00:44:27.000
looking, always have my eyes open, always00:44:27.000 –> 00:44:28.000
thinking,00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:30.000
and I travel I try to travel as00:44:30.000 –> 00:44:33.000
much as possible, because I think travel Gilliland00:44:33.000 –> 00:44:36.000
reading have been the two biggest influences00:44:37.000 –> 00:44:39.000
in my career period.00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:41.000
Seventy two hours from now, where are you00:44:41.000 –> 00:44:44.000
gonna be? I’m gonna be in Italy. Yeah.00:44:44.000 –> 00:44:45.000
So I guess when this airs, I’ll be00:44:45.000 –> 00:44:46.000
back from Italy, but,00:44:47.000 –> 00:44:48.000
but that’s, you know,00:44:48.000 –> 00:44:50.000
Europe’s my favorite place in the world.00:44:52.000 –> 00:44:54.000
You know, and so getting getting to Italy00:44:54.000 –> 00:44:56.000
is always always a treat. Let’s put it00:44:56.000 –> 00:44:57.000
on the list.00:44:58.000 –> 00:44:59.000
How do you balance risk versus00:45:00.000 –> 00:45:01.000
caution? Right? Cause00:45:02.000 –> 00:45:03.000
this is a risk. Right? The the next00:45:03.000 –> 00:45:05.000
place is a risk. But I think so00:45:05.000 –> 00:45:07.000
many times what I’ve seen is people, the00:45:07.000 –> 00:45:10.000
old saying paralysis by analysis, right, is you00:45:10.000 –> 00:45:12.000
don’t trust your gut. You don’t trust your00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:14.000
business part. You don’t make the decision to00:45:14.000 –> 00:45:17.000
go. How do you manage those two things?00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
I probably don’t manage. I probably take00:45:20.000 –> 00:45:22.000
too I I lean on the too much00:45:22.000 –> 00:45:22.000
risk.00:45:23.000 –> 00:45:25.000
Side of things, and it drives me crazy00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:27.000
when So you’re always looking to risk yourself.00:45:27.000 –> 00:45:28.000
Analytical00:45:28.000 –> 00:45:30.000
about it? No. I’m I’m always taking risks.00:45:30.000 –> 00:45:32.000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m like, yeah. Let’s00:45:32.000 –> 00:45:34.000
let’s do it. Yeah. I think sometimes sometimes00:45:35.000 –> 00:45:36.000
I should, you know, step back a little00:45:36.000 –> 00:45:38.000
more and ask more questions but It doesn’t00:45:38.000 –> 00:45:40.000
wanna walk down a really cool hallway in00:45:40.000 –> 00:45:42.000
this place, man. I mean, this was an00:45:42.000 –> 00:45:43.000
easy one. This the00:45:43.000 –> 00:45:45.000
some some are a little harder00:45:45.000 –> 00:45:46.000
than others.00:45:47.000 –> 00:45:49.000
But, you know, I think I as I00:45:49.000 –> 00:45:52.000
get older, I’m I’m trying to train myself00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
to take a little less00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:56.000
Yeah. Risk.00:45:57.000 –> 00:45:58.000
And00:45:58.000 –> 00:46:01.000
and that won’t be obvious to anybody looking00:46:01.000 –> 00:46:03.000
at all of our plans because we’re00:46:03.000 –> 00:46:06.000
constantly opening, but it’s maybe what I’m opening.00:46:06.000 –> 00:46:06.000
Yep.00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:08.000
That that shows00:46:09.000 –> 00:46:10.000
how I’m pulling back.00:46:12.000 –> 00:46:14.000
Love that. So last few questions here.00:46:15.000 –> 00:46:17.000
When when you hear the word fear, I00:46:17.000 –> 00:46:19.000
ask this question almost everybody is, how many00:46:19.000 –> 00:46:21.000
of the fears you’ve put in your mind00:46:21.000 –> 00:46:23.000
have actually blown up to the magnitude you00:46:23.000 –> 00:46:24.000
put them in your mind to be?00:46:27.000 –> 00:46:27.000
Oh, that’s00:46:28.000 –> 00:46:29.000
that’s interesting.00:46:34.000 –> 00:46:35.000
Well, so far,00:46:36.000 –> 00:46:39.000
so far none of them have. You knocked00:46:39.000 –> 00:46:41.000
out a little earlier. Right? Yeah. And, and00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:42.000
I am a very superstitious00:46:43.000 –> 00:46:45.000
human being. I usually do five knocks on00:46:45.000 –> 00:46:47.000
the bed for some reason. Three on wood.00:46:47.000 –> 00:46:48.000
I don’t know. It’s a weird thing.00:46:49.000 –> 00:46:51.000
I’ve probably driven Claire,00:46:51.000 –> 00:46:53.000
absolutely insane with all of the lines. I00:46:53.000 –> 00:46:55.000
noticed it. I said a couple things Gilliland00:46:55.000 –> 00:46:56.000
you did the three knock in the wood.00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.000
And I’m like, god, that guy’s just like00:46:58.000 –> 00:46:59.000
me, my son, my second son, especially, man,00:46:59.000 –> 00:47:01.000
where he does the five knocks on his00:47:01.000 –> 00:47:03.000
head as well. That, for some reason, that00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:04.000
thing that works, it just puts me at00:47:04.000 –> 00:47:06.000
peace, and I feel good about it. Yeah.00:47:06.000 –> 00:47:09.000
You know, I think fear fears, again, one00:47:09.000 –> 00:47:11.000
of those things that I probably need a00:47:11.000 –> 00:47:12.000
touch00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:14.000
touch more of, you know, and I think00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:14.000
that00:47:15.000 –> 00:47:17.000
that quite honestly, you know, going through the00:47:17.000 –> 00:47:20.000
great recession as a business owner and going00:47:20.000 –> 00:47:21.000
through,00:47:22.000 –> 00:47:24.000
COVID have definitely, you know,00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:27.000
added a little to that. You know, they’ve00:47:27.000 –> 00:47:28.000
they’ve helped me,00:47:29.000 –> 00:47:31.000
be like, hey, everything can be gone00:47:32.000 –> 00:47:32.000
tomorrow.00:47:33.000 –> 00:47:33.000
Yeah.00:47:33.000 –> 00:47:35.000
And I think that’s,00:47:35.000 –> 00:47:37.000
you know, some of those things are important00:47:37.000 –> 00:47:40.000
to to take into account when you’re when00:47:40.000 –> 00:47:43.000
you’re building an actual business. Like, are you00:47:43.000 –> 00:47:44.000
really building a foundation00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
that you can that you can stand or00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:49.000
you’re just kind of building a ton of00:47:49.000 –> 00:47:50.000
stuff on quicksand.00:47:50.000 –> 00:47:52.000
And I think that that’s really my focus,00:47:53.000 –> 00:47:55.000
you know, for the next five years is00:47:55.000 –> 00:47:57.000
is all in in real00:47:58.000 –> 00:47:59.000
large foundational00:47:59.000 –> 00:48:00.000
work.00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:02.000
Yep. So our name of our firm is00:48:02.000 –> 00:48:04.000
visionary wealth advisors. So a name like at00:48:04.000 –> 00:48:07.000
by definition, it’s, you know, helping helping people00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:08.000
achieve a future, right, greater than your past.00:48:08.000 –> 00:48:10.000
And that’s our mission statement, helping you achieve00:48:10.000 –> 00:48:12.000
a future greater than your past. So when00:48:12.000 –> 00:48:13.000
you hear those words,00:48:14.000 –> 00:48:16.000
future greater than past, what comes to mind00:48:16.000 –> 00:48:16.000
for you?00:48:17.000 –> 00:48:19.000
I mean, so, you know, my five year00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:19.000
plan.00:48:22.000 –> 00:48:24.000
Would would kind of be just that. You00:48:24.000 –> 00:48:24.000
know, I think00:48:26.000 –> 00:48:27.000
we we have a pretty set vision of00:48:27.000 –> 00:48:30.000
where we wanna see this company be.00:48:30.000 –> 00:48:32.000
In five years and who we want it00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
to be competing with and,00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:37.000
what field we want it to be playing00:48:37.000 –> 00:48:38.000
on.00:48:39.000 –> 00:48:42.000
And and that is a lot bigger than00:48:42.000 –> 00:48:43.000
it is today.00:48:44.000 –> 00:48:46.000
You know, so so growth is a big00:48:46.000 –> 00:48:47.000
part of our00:48:48.000 –> 00:48:48.000
our vision,00:48:49.000 –> 00:48:50.000
but it’s also,00:48:52.000 –> 00:48:54.000
a very very focused growth.00:48:55.000 –> 00:48:57.000
Yeah. Is that who’s in that room? Like,00:48:57.000 –> 00:48:58.000
how many people are in that room, not00:48:58.000 –> 00:49:00.000
necessarily names? But who how many people are00:49:00.000 –> 00:49:02.000
in that room? And what’s that process look00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:04.000
like for you to to build that vision00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:05.000
out?00:49:05.000 –> 00:49:06.000
Sure.00:49:06.000 –> 00:49:08.000
You know, so our CFO00:49:08.000 –> 00:49:08.000
and,00:49:09.000 –> 00:49:12.000
and our chief operating officer, Kate Wolverton.00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:15.000
I mean, she’s really kinda like00:49:16.000 –> 00:49:17.000
you know, my right hand,00:49:18.000 –> 00:49:20.000
and then the business partners, you know, our00:49:20.000 –> 00:49:21.000
investors,00:49:23.000 –> 00:49:24.000
So they’re sitting here kinda deciding, here’s what00:49:24.000 –> 00:49:26.000
we’re gonna do. Here’s how many restaurants we00:49:26.000 –> 00:49:28.000
wanna open or whatever it may be deciding00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:30.000
that. And then how often are you looking00:49:30.000 –> 00:49:31.000
at that?00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:34.000
All the time. Yeah. Yeah. We’re we’re constantly00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:34.000
evaluating00:49:35.000 –> 00:49:38.000
different different deals on a regular basis. You00:49:38.000 –> 00:49:40.000
know, if I I told people, you know,00:49:41.000 –> 00:49:44.000
Sometimes I think it is worrisome to to00:49:44.000 –> 00:49:47.000
people because because we’re constantly talking about deals.00:49:47.000 –> 00:49:49.000
Yeah. You know, I mean, they’re like00:49:49.000 –> 00:49:51.000
every week. They probably come across your desk00:49:51.000 –> 00:49:53.000
all the time too. Right? And so, you00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:54.000
know, when00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
I think at first, it’s really hard for00:49:56.000 –> 00:49:59.000
some people to be have those conversations and00:49:59.000 –> 00:50:01.000
then you turn those down or whatever. Well,00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:03.000
what happened to that one? Yeah. I’m like,00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:05.000
yeah, it’s gone. Yeah. I didn’t feel right.00:50:05.000 –> 00:50:08.000
You know, so I think we’re we’re evaluating00:50:08.000 –> 00:50:10.000
all the time. So you are the chief00:50:10.000 –> 00:50:11.000
flavor officer00:50:11.000 –> 00:50:13.000
for the hat you’re supporting there. So I’m00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
a City SC, baby. That was awesome. Great00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
for a year. So talk to us about00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:17.000
soccer. What’s,00:50:18.000 –> 00:50:20.000
what are you excited about there? So funny.00:50:20.000 –> 00:50:22.000
I was not a soccer fan growing up.00:50:23.000 –> 00:50:25.000
I played one season of soccer. No. And00:50:25.000 –> 00:50:27.000
I suck. And it really made me mad.00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:30.000
I was I was a great baseball player00:50:30.000 –> 00:50:31.000
at the time, and,00:50:32.000 –> 00:50:33.000
I did not like,00:50:34.000 –> 00:50:36.000
how bad I was. And so that was00:50:36.000 –> 00:50:39.000
it for me. And so it wasn’t until00:50:39.000 –> 00:50:40.000
I got involved with,00:50:41.000 –> 00:50:43.000
Carolyn Kindle. Yep. And,00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:45.000
and00:50:45.000 –> 00:50:49.000
and, Lee Brett over at City SC. Mhmm.00:50:49.000 –> 00:50:51.000
That I started to really fall in love00:50:51.000 –> 00:50:52.000
with soccer.00:50:53.000 –> 00:50:55.000
And, you know, it’s been an amazing journey00:50:55.000 –> 00:50:56.000
so far. I think,00:50:59.000 –> 00:51:00.000
I’ve been working with them for, I guess,00:51:00.000 –> 00:51:04.000
four years. Wow. Now on this. And,00:51:04.000 –> 00:51:06.000
you know, we’re got a lot of really00:51:06.000 –> 00:51:09.000
exciting things planned for the next season.00:51:09.000 –> 00:51:12.000
Season one was was the coolest experience. You00:51:12.000 –> 00:51:13.000
know, I think,00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.000
I I missed one game. I think I00:51:16.000 –> 00:51:18.000
was out of town, but,00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:20.000
And you know, getting to see those games,00:51:20.000 –> 00:51:21.000
the energy,00:51:22.000 –> 00:51:24.000
feeling, you know, getting to work with so00:51:24.000 –> 00:51:25.000
many great local00:51:26.000 –> 00:51:29.000
restaurant partners. Yeah. You know, in in setting00:51:29.000 –> 00:51:31.000
that up. It’s it’s just been it’s been00:51:31.000 –> 00:51:33.000
one of the highlights of my career for00:51:33.000 –> 00:51:35.000
sure. Talk about that real quick. For the00:51:35.000 –> 00:51:37.000
person maybe has not been there or that’s00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:39.000
from another town or city, listen to this.00:51:40.000 –> 00:51:42.000
What’s different about it than say the traditional,00:51:42.000 –> 00:51:44.000
you know, professional sports stadium? Yeah. So it’s00:51:44.000 –> 00:51:46.000
it’s different in a number of ways. When00:51:46.000 –> 00:51:49.000
you go to a a professional stadium00:51:49.000 –> 00:51:51.000
and you see, say, one of you, you00:51:51.000 –> 00:51:53.000
know, some local restaurant there. And and there’s00:51:53.000 –> 00:51:56.000
usually maybe like one or two in that00:51:56.000 –> 00:51:57.000
in that spot.00:51:57.000 –> 00:52:00.000
Oftentimes, it’s actually being run by00:52:00.000 –> 00:52:04.000
the stadium itself. So the stadium managers. Yep.00:52:04.000 –> 00:52:07.000
And so we’ve done things a lot different.00:52:07.000 –> 00:52:09.000
It at, City Park,00:52:09.000 –> 00:52:11.000
and all of our00:52:12.000 –> 00:52:13.000
all of our vendors00:52:13.000 –> 00:52:16.000
run their own stalls So these are all,00:52:16.000 –> 00:52:17.000
you know, local businesses.00:52:17.000 –> 00:52:20.000
And and I think we have something like00:52:20.000 –> 00:52:23.000
twenty four. Wow. Right now, local restaurant partners00:52:24.000 –> 00:52:25.000
throughout the stadium.00:52:26.000 –> 00:52:26.000
And quite often, you see the owner of00:52:26.000 –> 00:52:27.000
all of these businesses right there00:52:31.000 –> 00:52:33.000
you know, whether it’s,00:52:33.000 –> 00:52:36.000
Steve viewing handing out hot dogs, Lauren Nalek,00:52:36.000 –> 00:52:38.000
over there at Balkan00:52:38.000 –> 00:52:39.000
Treatbox.00:52:40.000 –> 00:52:42.000
You know, when they’re standing right there,00:52:42.000 –> 00:52:45.000
you know, working working the events and and00:52:45.000 –> 00:52:46.000
is really made for a unique experience because00:52:46.000 –> 00:52:47.000
I think not00:52:49.000 –> 00:52:50.000
only00:52:50.000 –> 00:52:53.000
are you getting the best of the best,00:52:54.000 –> 00:52:56.000
you know, as far as restaurants, but then00:52:56.000 –> 00:52:59.000
you’re also getting the highest quality from those00:52:59.000 –> 00:53:00.000
because they’re doing it themselves. Yep.00:53:01.000 –> 00:53:02.000
Which is in line with the values of00:53:02.000 –> 00:53:04.000
that organization, hence the name of the team.00:53:04.000 –> 00:53:06.000
I mean, they could have chosen anything, the00:53:06.000 –> 00:53:08.000
logo, the rivers, the arch. I mean, all00:53:08.000 –> 00:53:09.000
the stuff that goes with that, I think,00:53:09.000 –> 00:53:11.000
is cool that they’re connected to the city00:53:11.000 –> 00:53:12.000
the way. And then what they’ve done for00:53:12.000 –> 00:53:14.000
the city is as a family’s you know,00:53:14.000 –> 00:53:17.000
ridiculous. I mean talking about a group of00:53:17.000 –> 00:53:20.000
people who walk the talk. Yeah. I mean,00:53:21.000 –> 00:53:23.000
the the the owners of the ownership group00:53:23.000 –> 00:53:25.000
at City SC and everybody00:53:26.000 –> 00:53:28.000
who works there, you know, my my00:53:30.000 –> 00:53:32.000
My main point of contact is always Matt00:53:32.000 –> 00:53:34.000
Seabek, and I don’t know if you know00:53:34.000 –> 00:53:36.000
him. No. But he’s the chief experience officer.00:53:36.000 –> 00:53:39.000
Down there. So everything you touch at the00:53:39.000 –> 00:53:39.000
stadium,00:53:40.000 –> 00:53:43.000
you know, he’s kind of waiting on in00:53:43.000 –> 00:53:45.000
in some way, shape, or form. And he’s,00:53:45.000 –> 00:53:46.000
you know, obsessive00:53:46.000 –> 00:53:48.000
know, whether it’s, you know, the lighting and00:53:48.000 –> 00:53:49.000
the music and,00:53:50.000 –> 00:53:52.000
you know, you know, when the all the00:53:52.000 –> 00:53:53.000
lights go out at the stadium, you know,00:53:53.000 –> 00:53:55.000
like Such a cool. You know, he’s obsessing00:53:56.000 –> 00:53:58.000
about all that stuff. And it’s it’s really00:53:58.000 –> 00:54:00.000
cool. You know, their whole they have their00:54:00.000 –> 00:54:00.000
own,00:54:02.000 –> 00:54:05.000
production team. You know, making videos and everything,00:54:05.000 –> 00:54:07.000
and all of those guys are like movie00:54:07.000 –> 00:54:09.000
level producers.00:54:09.000 –> 00:54:12.000
They’re they’re incredible. And and again, all you00:54:12.000 –> 00:54:15.000
know, so obsessed with with what they do00:54:15.000 –> 00:54:18.000
and making that experience Brett. And there’s just00:54:18.000 –> 00:54:20.000
no way when you have that many people00:54:20.000 –> 00:54:23.000
who care so much about what they’re doing,00:54:23.000 –> 00:54:24.000
but you’re not gonna have a great experience.00:54:24.000 –> 00:54:26.000
Right. And and the and the experience of00:54:26.000 –> 00:54:28.000
what the fans got from the team. Yeah.00:54:28.000 –> 00:54:30.000
And then the team. Right. I mean,00:54:30.000 –> 00:54:32.000
clients who hold the pitch. Right?00:54:33.000 –> 00:54:35.000
Show up so big and are just also00:54:35.000 –> 00:54:37.000
so nice. Yeah. You know, you know,00:54:38.000 –> 00:54:40.000
definitely took a page from the the cardinals00:54:40.000 –> 00:54:42.000
and stuff like that. These guys are, you00:54:42.000 –> 00:54:44.000
know, class acts. Yep. So talk to us00:54:44.000 –> 00:54:46.000
about what’s gonna be happening stairs here. We’re00:54:46.000 –> 00:54:48.000
we’re in the basement of, city foundry right00:54:48.000 –> 00:54:50.000
now, but you got expats,00:54:50.000 –> 00:54:52.000
expats coming in there. Right? Yeah. If I00:54:52.000 –> 00:54:54.000
say that correctly. Pat Barbecue. Yeah.00:54:55.000 –> 00:54:56.000
Talk to us about that. And that’s opening00:54:57.000 –> 00:54:59.000
sometime this summer. Yeah. So we’re looking at00:54:59.000 –> 00:55:01.000
at June opening. K.00:55:02.000 –> 00:55:04.000
And in the tag line for expats,00:55:04.000 –> 00:55:05.000
expat,00:55:05.000 –> 00:55:07.000
well traveled barbecue.00:55:07.000 –> 00:55:09.000
And, you know, the idea behind it is00:55:09.000 –> 00:55:10.000
to00:55:11.000 –> 00:55:14.000
look through the eyes of American barbecue with00:55:14.000 –> 00:55:16.000
a filter on it. And that filter is00:55:16.000 –> 00:55:18.000
how would you cook American barbecue00:55:19.000 –> 00:55:20.000
if you were living00:55:21.000 –> 00:55:24.000
in Spain. If you were living in Africa,00:55:24.000 –> 00:55:26.000
you know, if you were living in,00:55:27.000 –> 00:55:28.000
in China,00:55:28.000 –> 00:55:30.000
And so, you know, what would your pantry00:55:31.000 –> 00:55:31.000
look like?00:55:32.000 –> 00:55:32.000
And,00:55:33.000 –> 00:55:35.000
you know, how would you season your meat?00:55:35.000 –> 00:55:36.000
How would you00:55:37.000 –> 00:55:38.000
do all of that00:55:39.000 –> 00:55:41.000
to get it close to what you wanted00:55:41.000 –> 00:55:43.000
to cook from home. So this this isn’t00:55:43.000 –> 00:55:44.000
really about00:55:44.000 –> 00:55:47.000
trying to say do Chinese barbecue. Right? That’s00:55:47.000 –> 00:55:50.000
not our our intent. We have no clue00:55:50.000 –> 00:55:51.000
how to make Chinese barbecue.00:55:51.000 –> 00:55:53.000
But this is00:55:53.000 –> 00:55:55.000
about how do we use00:55:56.000 –> 00:55:56.000
those00:55:57.000 –> 00:55:58.000
spices00:55:58.000 –> 00:55:59.000
to create00:55:59.000 –> 00:56:00.000
American barbecue,00:56:01.000 –> 00:56:03.000
like you were living abroad And, you know,00:56:03.000 –> 00:56:05.000
I think when when you talk about those00:56:05.000 –> 00:56:06.000
kind of like flavor00:56:07.000 –> 00:56:09.000
transfers, you know, all of food, I’ve been00:56:09.000 –> 00:56:11.000
obsessed with this kind of forever.00:56:11.000 –> 00:56:13.000
Is that all of food,00:56:14.000 –> 00:56:14.000
is connected.00:56:15.000 –> 00:56:17.000
Right? If you really, really start to look00:56:17.000 –> 00:56:19.000
at, like, all the noodle dishes,00:56:20.000 –> 00:56:22.000
around the world and you don’t see a00:56:22.000 –> 00:56:23.000
connection. You’re insane.00:56:24.000 –> 00:56:26.000
You know, but but you see it all00:56:26.000 –> 00:56:28.000
over the place. You know, you look at,00:56:28.000 –> 00:56:30.000
like, Mexican cuisine and the00:56:30.000 –> 00:56:32.000
the trumpo for the,00:56:33.000 –> 00:56:33.000
al pastor00:56:34.000 –> 00:56:36.000
tacos, but you also00:56:37.000 –> 00:56:38.000
you know, go to,00:56:39.000 –> 00:56:42.000
you know, go to Istanbul and you’ll see00:56:42.000 –> 00:56:44.000
the exact same the exact same thing, but00:56:44.000 –> 00:56:47.000
with different different flavors. So these techniques get00:56:47.000 –> 00:56:49.000
kind of passed around and the flavors00:56:50.000 –> 00:56:52.000
all get passed around. So I’ve I’ve always00:56:52.000 –> 00:56:55.000
been very obsessed with travel and how that00:56:55.000 –> 00:56:56.000
influences00:56:57.000 –> 00:56:59.000
cooking. You know, I think The the word00:56:59.000 –> 00:57:01.000
fusion was thrown around in a lot of00:57:01.000 –> 00:57:03.000
very bad ways for a for a long00:57:03.000 –> 00:57:05.000
time, but quite frankly,00:57:06.000 –> 00:57:07.000
you know, it is you know, some type00:57:07.000 –> 00:57:09.000
of fusion. And,00:57:09.000 –> 00:57:12.000
and I think done done with respect, it00:57:12.000 –> 00:57:13.000
can be really,00:57:15.000 –> 00:57:18.000
really unique and really fun, I think, at00:57:18.000 –> 00:57:20.000
the same time. And a cool location too.00:57:20.000 –> 00:57:21.000
Right? You got a big big balcony up00:57:21.000 –> 00:57:23.000
there, Port. Yeah. So this is a three00:57:23.000 –> 00:57:24.000
story.00:57:24.000 –> 00:57:25.000
Restaurant.00:57:26.000 –> 00:57:28.000
And on the first floor, it’s all,00:57:28.000 –> 00:57:30.000
table service, server,00:57:31.000 –> 00:57:34.000
more like plates of food. Yep. The second00:57:34.000 –> 00:57:35.000
floor is an event space.00:57:36.000 –> 00:57:38.000
And then on the third floor, it’s all00:57:38.000 –> 00:57:39.000
kind of fast casual00:57:39.000 –> 00:57:41.000
giant bar,00:57:42.000 –> 00:57:42.000
huge00:57:42.000 –> 00:57:44.000
patio with garage doors,00:57:45.000 –> 00:57:46.000
astroturf00:57:46.000 –> 00:57:48.000
out there in the stage,00:57:49.000 –> 00:57:50.000
and, you know, more sandwich00:57:51.000 –> 00:57:51.000
oriented.00:57:52.000 –> 00:57:54.000
So, you know, kinda taken from the downstairs,00:57:54.000 –> 00:57:55.000
full plates of barbecue00:57:56.000 –> 00:57:58.000
to how do we, you know, how do00:57:58.000 –> 00:58:00.000
we make that into, you know, kind of00:58:00.000 –> 00:58:01.000
fun handheld00:58:01.000 –> 00:58:03.000
experience upstairs. Yeah. Well, I can’t wait to00:58:03.000 –> 00:58:05.000
be there this summer. That is awesome. Last00:58:05.000 –> 00:58:06.000
question for you.00:58:07.000 –> 00:58:08.000
What would you tell00:58:08.000 –> 00:58:10.000
the Gerard of, the guy that was washing00:58:10.000 –> 00:58:12.000
dishes. Right? Just got out of college. Not00:58:12.000 –> 00:58:14.000
got out of college. Just dropped out of00:58:14.000 –> 00:58:17.000
college and then, was washing dishes. What what00:58:17.000 –> 00:58:17.000
advice00:58:17.000 –> 00:58:19.000
would you give that guy or the person00:58:19.000 –> 00:58:20.000
listen to this right now, man, that may00:58:20.000 –> 00:58:22.000
be in a spot that they think, how00:58:22.000 –> 00:58:25.000
is that guy’s success possible for me? What00:58:25.000 –> 00:58:26.000
advice would you give him? I would say00:58:26.000 –> 00:58:29.000
that the work ethic you are putting in00:58:29.000 –> 00:58:29.000
today,00:58:30.000 –> 00:58:31.000
will directly00:58:32.000 –> 00:58:32.000
translate00:58:32.000 –> 00:58:33.000
into,00:58:35.000 –> 00:58:38.000
to your work ten years from now. Yeah.00:58:38.000 –> 00:58:40.000
Awesome. Awesome, man. Well, thanks so much for00:58:40.000 –> 00:58:41.000
being on the circuit of success. It’s been00:58:41.000 –> 00:58:43.000
awesome having you. Oh, thank you for having00:58:43.000 –> 00:58:44.000
us. Great.59 min - Success from the Green: PGA Pro Tips with Kevin Dougherty
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TRANSCRIPTION
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I’m your host, Brett Gilliland. Today, I’ve got Kevin Doughtery00:00:18.000 –> 00:00:20.000
with me. Kevin, how you doing, my man?00:00:21.000 –> 00:00:23.000
I’m doing great. How about you? I’m doing00:00:23.000 –> 00:00:25.000
great. I’m here in Dallas, Texas. Right?00:00:25.000 –> 00:00:28.000
Yes, sir. It’s where home is, and finally00:00:28.000 –> 00:00:30.000
getting to spend some time at home. I00:00:30.000 –> 00:00:32.000
mean, Kevin after the season ended,00:00:33.000 –> 00:00:35.000
we’ve been on the road everywhere. So it’s00:00:35.000 –> 00:00:38.000
definitely really nice just to be home and00:00:39.000 –> 00:00:39.000
in place.00:00:40.000 –> 00:00:41.000
Nice night at home. Isn’t it? Yeah, as00:00:41.000 –> 00:00:42.000
you’ll you’ll find, because I think you got00:00:42.000 –> 00:00:44.000
a little one. So as those kids get00:00:44.000 –> 00:00:45.000
bigger, even if you’re, if you are at00:00:45.000 –> 00:00:47.000
home, sometimes you’re not at home. So,00:00:48.000 –> 00:00:50.000
well, listen, man. You are Kevin Doughtery. You00:00:50.000 –> 00:00:52.000
are a PGA tour,00:00:53.000 –> 00:00:55.000
player. You know, you’re not just a PGA00:00:55.000 –> 00:00:57.000
tour cardholder. You are PGA tour player, my00:00:57.000 –> 00:00:59.000
man. And so, you know, we go way00:00:59.000 –> 00:01:02.000
back two years ago. We got them elevated00:01:02.000 –> 00:01:04.000
together. You look like a golfer. I think00:01:04.000 –> 00:01:05.000
had my sticks with me. I had the00:01:05.000 –> 00:01:08.000
privilege of playing Muirfield village. You were, at00:01:08.000 –> 00:01:10.000
a golf tournament, I think, at the Corn00:01:10.000 –> 00:01:12.000
Ferry and made for the qualifier, if I’m00:01:12.000 –> 00:01:14.000
not mistaken. And We struck up a conversation.00:01:14.000 –> 00:01:16.000
We ended up being next door neighbors. We00:01:16.000 –> 00:01:18.000
started phoning each other on Instagram, and now00:01:18.000 –> 00:01:20.000
here we are at a podcast. You just00:01:20.000 –> 00:01:21.000
qualified for the PGA tour.00:01:22.000 –> 00:01:23.000
But before we dive into any of that00:01:23.000 –> 00:01:26.000
stuff, man, I wanna start for our listeners,00:01:26.000 –> 00:01:29.000
about a massive lesson that I’ve learned, through00:01:29.000 –> 00:01:31.000
this whole thing. So I’m gonna brag on00:01:31.000 –> 00:01:33.000
Kevin for a minute. I, reached out to00:01:33.000 –> 00:01:36.000
Kevin. Kevin was very nice, gave us of00:01:36.000 –> 00:01:38.000
his time. We did a podcast. Well,00:01:39.000 –> 00:01:40.000
Brett had a computer that was a little00:01:40.000 –> 00:01:42.000
bit older. And,00:01:42.000 –> 00:01:43.000
my,00:01:43.000 –> 00:01:46.000
technology, let’s say, wasn’t great. And it happened00:01:46.000 –> 00:01:47.000
on a couple guest, and I didn’t think00:01:47.000 –> 00:01:48.000
much of it. I thought it was just00:01:48.000 –> 00:01:50.000
a rainy day. It’s bad wifi, but it00:01:50.000 –> 00:01:52.000
really was bad on our time.00:01:52.000 –> 00:01:55.000
And I got off. I was so embarrassed00:01:55.000 –> 00:01:56.000
I’m like, my god. I hope I can00:01:56.000 –> 00:01:58.000
idiot. You know, I’ve had all these guests00:01:58.000 –> 00:02:00.000
on. And now here, Kevin has to give00:02:00.000 –> 00:02:01.000
us his time. He thinks I’m this terrible00:02:01.000 –> 00:02:03.000
person. And and in our minds, we build00:02:03.000 –> 00:02:05.000
these fears. And the people listen to this,00:02:05.000 –> 00:02:07.000
I’m sorry to do all the talking, Kevin,00:02:07.000 –> 00:02:08.000
but we put it in our minds. It00:02:08.000 –> 00:02:10.000
never blows up to our magnitude that we00:02:10.000 –> 00:02:12.000
believe it to be. Right? A hundred percent.00:02:13.000 –> 00:02:13.000
And00:02:14.000 –> 00:02:15.000
I said, you know what, man, I gotta00:02:15.000 –> 00:02:17.000
reach out to this guy on Instagram and00:02:17.000 –> 00:02:18.000
apologize00:02:18.000 –> 00:02:20.000
and, you know, tell him I was terrible00:02:20.000 –> 00:02:22.000
as a host and00:02:22.000 –> 00:02:24.000
kinda eat crow, and then humbly asked him00:02:24.000 –> 00:02:26.000
if he’d even be open to doing it00:02:26.000 –> 00:02:28.000
again. And here’s what I learned, ladies and00:02:28.000 –> 00:02:30.000
gentlemen. He said, yes.00:02:30.000 –> 00:02:32.000
Let’s do it. And I’m like, you know,00:02:32.000 –> 00:02:34.000
in life, we put people on pedestals. Here’s00:02:34.000 –> 00:02:37.000
a PGA tour player. He’s gonna say, no.00:02:37.000 –> 00:02:39.000
What an idiot Brett is? And all those00:02:39.000 –> 00:02:41.000
fears never came true. So, Kevin, you are00:02:41.000 –> 00:02:43.000
the man. I appreciate it. Sorry for the00:02:43.000 –> 00:02:44.000
long intro, but I think it says a00:02:44.000 –> 00:02:46.000
lot about you and your character and who00:02:46.000 –> 00:02:46.000
you are.00:02:47.000 –> 00:02:49.000
Yeah. No. Definitely. Mean,00:02:49.000 –> 00:02:52.000
just because of what I do for a00:02:52.000 –> 00:02:54.000
living doesn’t change who I am as a00:02:54.000 –> 00:02:57.000
person. And I’m technically, I’m at fault as00:02:57.000 –> 00:02:59.000
well. I mean, I completely00:03:00.000 –> 00:03:03.000
I completely whipped our makeup interview00:03:04.000 –> 00:03:06.000
We’re back from Kevin on Monday,00:03:07.000 –> 00:03:09.000
and we had a schedule for Tuesday. And00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:12.000
about 05:00 on Tuesday, I was going through00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:13.000
my calendar. I’m like,00:03:14.000 –> 00:03:16.000
oh, no. Oh, no.00:03:17.000 –> 00:03:18.000
Hey. I thought it was the next day.00:03:18.000 –> 00:03:21.000
And So that’s my fault, but now I’m00:03:21.000 –> 00:03:22.000
glad that we can kind of make it00:03:22.000 –> 00:03:25.000
work and just kind of both being easygoing.00:03:26.000 –> 00:03:28.000
I think that’s pretty important these days to00:03:28.000 –> 00:03:30.000
feel. As if a lot of people have00:03:30.000 –> 00:03:31.000
kind of lost that easygoing,00:03:32.000 –> 00:03:34.000
just kind of roll with the punches and00:03:34.000 –> 00:03:36.000
see how everything turns out. Yep. I think00:03:36.000 –> 00:03:38.000
we both would agree. If if these are00:03:38.000 –> 00:03:40.000
our biggest problems in life, we’re pretty damn00:03:40.000 –> 00:03:41.000
lucky, aren’t we?00:03:41.000 –> 00:03:44.000
We’re doing okay. Yeah. We’re doing just fine.00:03:44.000 –> 00:03:45.000
So let me give a little backstory here.00:03:45.000 –> 00:03:47.000
So another thing I wanna talk about, Kevin,00:03:47.000 –> 00:03:49.000
is, I found in my research to be00:03:49.000 –> 00:03:51.000
awesome, is and I know you guys talked00:03:51.000 –> 00:03:53.000
about this on, on the subpar podcast with00:03:53.000 –> 00:03:55.000
Colton Oss and the sleaze, and those guys00:03:55.000 –> 00:03:56.000
are hilarious. They’re awesome.00:03:57.000 –> 00:03:58.000
Colts coming on soon. I told you, and00:03:58.000 –> 00:04:00.000
I’ve already had the sleaze. So they’re good00:04:00.000 –> 00:04:01.000
guys. But,00:04:02.000 –> 00:04:03.000
people talk about it, and it it’s your00:04:03.000 –> 00:04:05.000
perseverance. You know, you you almost made it00:04:05.000 –> 00:04:07.000
on the tour a couple times You know,00:04:07.000 –> 00:04:09.000
I watched that chip numerous times. It was,00:04:09.000 –> 00:04:11.000
you know, an inch from going in and00:04:11.000 –> 00:04:13.000
and did not go in, which would’ve got00:04:13.000 –> 00:04:15.000
your PGA tour card, thirty one years old.00:04:15.000 –> 00:04:18.000
And now you earn it. Talk about that00:04:18.000 –> 00:04:19.000
grind, man, and talk about that journey of00:04:19.000 –> 00:04:21.000
what you’ve learned to get you to where00:04:21.000 –> 00:04:23.000
you are now, getting right start on the00:04:23.000 –> 00:04:24.000
PGA tour.00:04:25.000 –> 00:04:28.000
Yeah. I just think I’ve surrounded myself with00:04:28.000 –> 00:04:29.000
an incredibly00:04:30.000 –> 00:04:30.000
close00:04:31.000 –> 00:04:32.000
small circle00:04:32.000 –> 00:04:33.000
of support.00:04:33.000 –> 00:04:34.000
And00:04:34.000 –> 00:04:36.000
they’ve kinda beaten it into me that,00:04:37.000 –> 00:04:39.000
I mean, the ultimate goal is is not00:04:39.000 –> 00:04:41.000
making the PJ tour. It’s not00:04:42.000 –> 00:04:44.000
winning a PJ Tourpan. It’s not winning a00:04:44.000 –> 00:04:47.000
major championship. I mean, it’s enjoying this journey00:04:48.000 –> 00:04:49.000
and kind of learning00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:52.000
as you go along the way, and I00:04:52.000 –> 00:04:54.000
feel like I’ve done a job of that.00:04:54.000 –> 00:04:57.000
And that’s definitely been something that’s kept me00:04:57.000 –> 00:04:57.000
going,00:04:58.000 –> 00:04:59.000
even in those00:04:59.000 –> 00:05:02.000
really tough times, like, twenty eighteen when I00:05:02.000 –> 00:05:02.000
finished00:05:03.000 –> 00:05:05.000
twenty six, and the next year I had00:05:05.000 –> 00:05:07.000
a pretty good chance. And00:05:07.000 –> 00:05:09.000
just made a debacle of the last hole00:05:09.000 –> 00:05:09.000
and00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:12.000
just having a very positive00:05:12.000 –> 00:05:15.000
set of parents, a positive wife, my brother,00:05:16.000 –> 00:05:18.000
all my coaches, and then that small circle00:05:18.000 –> 00:05:20.000
of friends that I mean I pretty much00:05:20.000 –> 00:05:21.000
called my family.00:05:21.000 –> 00:05:22.000
They’re all in it with me and that00:05:22.000 –> 00:05:23.000
just kinda00:05:24.000 –> 00:05:26.000
keeps the train going. Yeah. So I heard00:05:26.000 –> 00:05:27.000
on a podcast you were on. It might00:05:27.000 –> 00:05:28.000
have been the subpar when,00:05:29.000 –> 00:05:31.000
I think you sat down with your dad.00:05:31.000 –> 00:05:33.000
Right? And your dad You said, hey, I00:05:33.000 –> 00:05:34.000
don’t know if I wanna do this anymore.00:05:34.000 –> 00:05:36.000
And what what’d your dad tell you?00:05:37.000 –> 00:05:39.000
Yeah. So it was that would’ve been a00:05:39.000 –> 00:05:40.000
COVID year.00:05:40.000 –> 00:05:42.000
And it was kinda like the wraparound season.00:05:42.000 –> 00:05:43.000
So it was a long season.00:05:44.000 –> 00:05:45.000
Nobody really knew00:05:46.000 –> 00:05:48.000
what was gonna happen if we were just00:05:48.000 –> 00:05:50.000
gonna stop playing again if COVID spiked up00:05:50.000 –> 00:05:52.000
again or whatever. So I’m just kinda in00:05:52.000 –> 00:05:53.000
a rut and00:05:53.000 –> 00:05:54.000
I felt like I was00:05:55.000 –> 00:05:57.000
working hard and I was traveling with two00:05:57.000 –> 00:06:00.000
of my really good buddies that had kids.00:06:00.000 –> 00:06:02.000
I didn’t have a daughter at the time,00:06:02.000 –> 00:06:04.000
and they were on the end of their00:06:04.000 –> 00:06:06.000
careers. So they were talking about00:06:07.000 –> 00:06:10.000
kinda wrapping it up, and I kinda fell00:06:10.000 –> 00:06:12.000
into that a little bit. Like Yeah. Easy00:06:12.000 –> 00:06:15.000
to do. Yeah. They seem to be just00:06:15.000 –> 00:06:16.000
fine with it and00:06:16.000 –> 00:06:19.000
So it was after an event, and I00:06:19.000 –> 00:06:21.000
I believe I missed a cut in Utah00:06:21.000 –> 00:06:23.000
and it was a quick flight back to00:06:23.000 –> 00:06:25.000
my hometown in Marietta, California.00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:27.000
Sat down my dad. He was, hey, you00:06:27.000 –> 00:06:30.000
just you kinda seem a little off. Like,00:06:30.000 –> 00:06:32.000
what’s going on? And I told him, like,00:06:32.000 –> 00:06:33.000
I just don’t know00:06:33.000 –> 00:06:35.000
if I wanna do this anymore, I mean,00:06:35.000 –> 00:06:37.000
I vividly remember him saying, like,00:06:39.000 –> 00:06:41.000
right now, you don’t have00:06:42.000 –> 00:06:43.000
a child. You have00:06:44.000 –> 00:06:47.000
a very supportive set of parents, a very00:06:47.000 –> 00:06:48.000
supportive set of in laws,00:06:49.000 –> 00:06:50.000
an unbelievable life.00:06:51.000 –> 00:06:51.000
And00:06:52.000 –> 00:06:54.000
if you can kinda get the same back00:06:54.000 –> 00:06:56.000
on track, like, you can provide for your00:06:56.000 –> 00:06:57.000
family00:06:57.000 –> 00:06:59.000
in more ways and just financially. I mean,00:07:00.000 –> 00:07:02.000
my daughter’s been on my daughter’s been on00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:05.000
forty flights probably. And she’s not even not00:07:05.000 –> 00:07:06.000
even a year and a half old and00:07:07.000 –> 00:07:11.000
different countries. And so and that kinda sparked00:07:11.000 –> 00:07:13.000
something in me. Like, this is something that00:07:13.000 –> 00:07:15.000
I really do wanna do. I’m just need00:07:15.000 –> 00:07:17.000
to get away from just trying to take00:07:17.000 –> 00:07:20.000
the easy way out and almost play victim00:07:20.000 –> 00:07:22.000
a little bit. And, I mean, that was00:07:22.000 –> 00:07:22.000
an amazing00:07:23.000 –> 00:07:26.000
very intimate, like, conversation. I had, like, very00:07:26.000 –> 00:07:26.000
touching.00:07:26.000 –> 00:07:28.000
Yeah. Which I think is huge because it00:07:28.000 –> 00:07:30.000
whether it’s your dad or just a a00:07:30.000 –> 00:07:32.000
friend, a mentor. I mean, I think sometimes00:07:32.000 –> 00:07:34.000
you need to hear. You got you got00:07:34.000 –> 00:07:36.000
people in your corner, and thinking about your00:07:36.000 –> 00:07:38.000
success and and and believing in your success.00:07:38.000 –> 00:07:40.000
Right? And I always say as a leader,00:07:40.000 –> 00:07:41.000
sometimes we have to believe in somebody’s success00:07:41.000 –> 00:07:43.000
more than they believe in themselves, don’t you00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:43.000
think?00:07:44.000 –> 00:07:46.000
Oh, a hundred percent. And00:07:46.000 –> 00:07:48.000
just going back to kinda small circle of00:07:48.000 –> 00:07:51.000
support, and it kinda just dawned on me.00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:52.000
But that same season,00:07:52.000 –> 00:07:54.000
we’re kinda getting towards the end of the00:07:54.000 –> 00:07:55.000
year, and00:07:56.000 –> 00:07:58.000
it was kinda in that same time frame00:07:58.000 –> 00:07:59.000
where I had had that conversation with my00:07:59.000 –> 00:08:01.000
dad. My coach is out with me and00:08:01.000 –> 00:08:02.000
He’s like,00:08:03.000 –> 00:08:04.000
no matter what you end up doing, like,00:08:04.000 –> 00:08:06.000
we’re always gonna be00:08:06.000 –> 00:08:08.000
close. I mean, this relationship we00:08:09.000 –> 00:08:10.000
golf is00:08:10.000 –> 00:08:12.000
business, but then outside of that, it’s friendship.00:08:13.000 –> 00:08:14.000
And because all I want you to do00:08:14.000 –> 00:08:17.000
is just kinda give it your Gilliland00:08:17.000 –> 00:08:18.000
just make sure you get to the finish00:08:18.000 –> 00:08:20.000
line before you make up your mind.00:08:20.000 –> 00:08:23.000
And that was just like00:08:23.000 –> 00:08:25.000
another one of those sparks. And, I mean,00:08:25.000 –> 00:08:27.000
just kind of conversations like that got me00:08:27.000 –> 00:08:29.000
through one of the, like, my down years00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:30.000
and my career. And,00:08:31.000 –> 00:08:33.000
I mean, I look back at them now00:08:33.000 –> 00:08:34.000
and I’m like holy cows or,00:08:35.000 –> 00:08:36.000
I mean, pivotal00:08:37.000 –> 00:08:39.000
kind of turn, like, times or whatever you00:08:39.000 –> 00:08:41.000
wanna call it in in my career.00:08:42.000 –> 00:08:44.000
So very, very grateful for those00:08:45.000 –> 00:08:46.000
conversations and00:08:47.000 –> 00:08:49.000
So talk about the preparation. I think, again,00:08:49.000 –> 00:08:51.000
let’s let’s take the golf course back to00:08:51.000 –> 00:08:53.000
the board room here for work, for leaders,00:08:53.000 –> 00:08:55.000
and, people listening to this, is00:08:55.000 –> 00:08:56.000
your preparation.00:08:57.000 –> 00:08:59.000
What what’s that light for you on off00:08:59.000 –> 00:09:01.000
weeks Obviously, now you’re getting ready to go.00:09:01.000 –> 00:09:03.000
You probably start what in Hawaii in January00:09:03.000 –> 00:09:04.000
here in the next month.00:09:05.000 –> 00:09:08.000
Yeah. And so what’s that preparation like in00:09:08.000 –> 00:09:10.000
the next thirty days. Obviously, Brett the holidays00:09:10.000 –> 00:09:11.000
in there. But what what’s that like for00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:12.000
you?00:09:12.000 –> 00:09:14.000
Yeah. So it’s been amazing.00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:18.000
Just kinda have some downtime and focus on00:09:19.000 –> 00:09:20.000
kind of the way we wanna go and00:09:20.000 –> 00:09:22.000
structure this off season.00:09:22.000 –> 00:09:25.000
The way my personality is is I’m kind00:09:25.000 –> 00:09:28.000
of a leave, like, don’t leave any stone00:09:28.000 –> 00:09:29.000
unturned.00:09:29.000 –> 00:09:30.000
I mean, it goes from00:09:31.000 –> 00:09:33.000
literally when I wake up in the morning00:09:33.000 –> 00:09:35.000
to every meal that I put in my00:09:35.000 –> 00:09:37.000
body to my workouts,00:09:38.000 –> 00:09:40.000
to the ways I structure my practice. I00:09:40.000 –> 00:09:44.000
mean, pretty much speaking just golf,00:09:44.000 –> 00:09:45.000
I mean, I have00:09:46.000 –> 00:09:47.000
fundamental practice,00:09:48.000 –> 00:09:50.000
skill development practice, and then games. And I00:09:50.000 –> 00:09:51.000
try to just separate them00:09:52.000 –> 00:09:54.000
like, one third, one third, one third.00:09:55.000 –> 00:09:57.000
I mean, so there’s a bunch. And what’s00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:58.000
that like? So nothing to Brett, but so00:09:58.000 –> 00:09:59.000
that day, so is that like an eight00:09:59.000 –> 00:10:01.000
hour day? Is that twelve hours? Five for00:10:01.000 –> 00:10:02.000
it? What is that?00:10:04.000 –> 00:10:05.000
I mean, I’d say a normal day. I’d00:10:05.000 –> 00:10:07.000
get up at 6AM,00:10:08.000 –> 00:10:09.000
and00:10:09.000 –> 00:10:12.000
Brett much from six to 06:30, I do00:10:12.000 –> 00:10:15.000
all of my mindfulness stuff. I know we00:10:15.000 –> 00:10:17.000
talked about it a little bit and it’s00:10:17.000 –> 00:10:20.000
just pretty much a way like you were00:10:20.000 –> 00:10:21.000
talking about those thoughts that come into your00:10:21.000 –> 00:10:22.000
mind and some00:10:23.000 –> 00:10:24.000
get bigger.00:10:24.000 –> 00:10:26.000
It’s just a way to00:10:26.000 –> 00:10:29.000
get rid of disruptive thoughts and just don’t00:10:29.000 –> 00:10:31.000
give them any credit because technically they don’t00:10:31.000 –> 00:10:32.000
really mean anything.00:10:33.000 –> 00:10:35.000
So I do that and then I spend00:10:35.000 –> 00:10:37.000
the morning with my daughter and my wife,00:10:37.000 –> 00:10:40.000
and we always do coffee and an unbelievable00:10:40.000 –> 00:10:41.000
Brett, and00:10:41.000 –> 00:10:43.000
by that time, she’s about ready to go00:10:43.000 –> 00:10:45.000
down for a nap, and I’m out of00:10:45.000 –> 00:10:47.000
the golf course at about 10AM. And00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:50.000
depending on who’s out there or00:10:51.000 –> 00:10:52.000
if it’s just myself,00:10:52.000 –> 00:10:53.000
kind of structures.00:10:54.000 –> 00:10:55.000
What I’m gonna do for that day, I00:10:55.000 –> 00:10:58.000
mean, I have kind of my non negotiables00:10:58.000 –> 00:11:00.000
that I have to get done. Every day00:11:00.000 –> 00:11:02.000
with golf swing, short game,00:11:02.000 –> 00:11:03.000
putting,00:11:03.000 –> 00:11:05.000
stuff like that. And then if there’s guys00:11:05.000 –> 00:11:09.000
there, we’ll go play a game and then00:11:09.000 –> 00:11:09.000
come00:11:10.000 –> 00:11:12.000
Brett much pretty much00:11:13.000 –> 00:11:15.000
You’re basically living every guy like me’s dream.00:11:15.000 –> 00:11:17.000
Right, is you do you get permission every00:11:17.000 –> 00:11:19.000
day to go practice your golf game and00:11:19.000 –> 00:11:20.000
go play a game of golf with your00:11:20.000 –> 00:11:22.000
buddies, but really it’s work. And there’s no00:11:22.000 –> 00:11:24.000
air quotes in that. That legitimately is work00:11:24.000 –> 00:11:26.000
and how you’re providing for your family.00:11:27.000 –> 00:11:29.000
Yeah. It definitely is. And now I’ll get00:11:29.000 –> 00:11:30.000
home around00:11:31.000 –> 00:11:32.000
four, 04:30, and00:11:32.000 –> 00:11:34.000
I have a gym here at the house00:11:34.000 –> 00:11:34.000
and00:11:35.000 –> 00:11:37.000
normally my wife works out with me at00:11:37.000 –> 00:11:39.000
the same time. It’s when my daughter’s down00:11:39.000 –> 00:11:41.000
for a second nap, and Yep.00:11:42.000 –> 00:11:43.000
Gilliland,00:11:43.000 –> 00:11:44.000
I mean, I’m00:11:44.000 –> 00:11:47.000
I’m pretty much asleep on the couch every00:11:47.000 –> 00:11:48.000
night at 08:15.00:11:49.000 –> 00:11:50.000
Dang.00:11:50.000 –> 00:11:53.000
Brett at nine. I’m asleep by nine. If00:11:53.000 –> 00:11:54.000
it’s either on the couch, then I have00:11:54.000 –> 00:11:55.000
to roll over into the bed or00:11:57.000 –> 00:11:58.000
I’m in bed pretty early.00:11:59.000 –> 00:12:00.000
Yeah. And another thing I heard too is,00:12:00.000 –> 00:12:02.000
which I loved and I thought this was00:12:02.000 –> 00:12:05.000
really an abundant thinking, which is important. Right?00:12:05.000 –> 00:12:06.000
For anything, but is,00:12:07.000 –> 00:12:09.000
what you do on the road Kevin for00:12:09.000 –> 00:12:11.000
your eating. I mean, how important that is00:12:11.000 –> 00:12:13.000
for you and kinda get detail with that00:12:13.000 –> 00:12:15.000
if you want. But I think And they00:12:15.000 –> 00:12:17.000
ask you, like, you know, that’s not cheap.00:12:17.000 –> 00:12:18.000
Right? And it’s not like,00:12:19.000 –> 00:12:21.000
you know, in in golf, which is what00:12:21.000 –> 00:12:23.000
I love about and kinda don’t like about00:12:23.000 –> 00:12:24.000
it is there’s no there’s not they’re not00:12:24.000 –> 00:12:26.000
signing you an eighteen million dollar a year00:12:26.000 –> 00:12:28.000
contract and hoping you hit, you know, you00:12:28.000 –> 00:12:30.000
know, one eighty for the St. Louis cardinals.00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:32.000
You gotta go out and earn Right? But00:12:32.000 –> 00:12:33.000
you are investing your dollars,00:12:34.000 –> 00:12:37.000
extra dollars into your food prep. So talk00:12:37.000 –> 00:12:38.000
about that.00:12:38.000 –> 00:12:40.000
Yeah. So the nutrition part00:12:41.000 –> 00:12:44.000
kind of dawned on me. It would be00:12:44.000 –> 00:12:46.000
my Brett shirt freshman year of college.00:12:47.000 –> 00:12:48.000
And Oklahoma State, by the way.00:12:49.000 –> 00:12:51.000
Yep. I got injured in college. I fractured00:12:52.000 –> 00:12:53.000
my l five,00:12:53.000 –> 00:12:56.000
and I was out for the spring semester,00:12:56.000 –> 00:12:58.000
and I’m like, this sucks. And that’s when00:12:58.000 –> 00:13:00.000
I got bitness and nutrition.00:13:01.000 –> 00:13:01.000
And00:13:02.000 –> 00:13:04.000
I pretty much told myself that I’m never00:13:04.000 –> 00:13:06.000
under my control, I’m never gonna get hurt00:13:06.000 –> 00:13:07.000
again. If it’s a00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:09.000
small stabilizing00:13:10.000 –> 00:13:12.000
injury that I could have avoided. Like, that’s00:13:12.000 –> 00:13:14.000
not gonna happen in my book.00:13:14.000 –> 00:13:16.000
And so I was just taking the deepest00:13:16.000 –> 00:13:19.000
dive into it and found an amazing guy00:13:19.000 –> 00:13:21.000
that I work with down in encinitas, California.00:13:21.000 –> 00:13:24.000
His name is Robert Yang, very holistic.00:13:25.000 –> 00:13:26.000
He has a very00:13:27.000 –> 00:13:27.000
straightforward00:13:28.000 –> 00:13:29.000
type of way of eating.00:13:29.000 –> 00:13:31.000
And just to kind of give you a00:13:31.000 –> 00:13:32.000
quick preview on that, I mean,00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:34.000
pretty much is00:13:35.000 –> 00:13:37.000
outline or overview of how he’d like you00:13:37.000 –> 00:13:39.000
to eat is the easiest way to maintain00:13:39.000 –> 00:13:40.000
blood sugar00:13:40.000 –> 00:13:43.000
and it’s protein fat and fiber. So00:13:44.000 –> 00:13:48.000
protein is coming from animal. He’s massive into00:13:49.000 –> 00:13:50.000
high quality00:13:51.000 –> 00:13:52.000
organically stores00:13:53.000 –> 00:13:56.000
grass fed cows or pasture raised poultry stuff00:13:56.000 –> 00:13:59.000
like that just because the amino in it.00:13:59.000 –> 00:14:00.000
You can’t00:14:01.000 –> 00:14:02.000
get the amino acids on00:14:03.000 –> 00:14:06.000
a plant based diet versus this animal based.00:14:06.000 –> 00:14:09.000
And I mean, I felt I felt amazing.00:14:09.000 –> 00:14:10.000
And00:14:10.000 –> 00:14:12.000
when I literally wake up00:14:13.000 –> 00:14:15.000
on the dot, I have the most energy00:14:16.000 –> 00:14:17.000
throughout the entire day,00:14:18.000 –> 00:14:18.000
and00:14:19.000 –> 00:14:20.000
I just had to find a way to00:14:20.000 –> 00:14:23.000
have that same thing on the road.00:14:23.000 –> 00:14:24.000
So we just started00:14:25.000 –> 00:14:28.000
renting houses every week, and I just cook00:14:28.000 –> 00:14:30.000
every meal just because I can control00:14:31.000 –> 00:14:33.000
every single thing that goes into it. I00:14:33.000 –> 00:14:35.000
mean, if you go to a restaurant, they00:14:35.000 –> 00:14:37.000
would actually show you what was in00:14:38.000 –> 00:14:40.000
whatever, in a steak and vegetables. I mean,00:14:40.000 –> 00:14:43.000
there’s gonna be terrible oils they use with00:14:43.000 –> 00:14:46.000
it. It’s probably gonna be some sort of00:14:47.000 –> 00:14:49.000
corn syrup or sugar on a sauce that00:14:49.000 –> 00:14:51.000
they put on. I mean, so I’m just00:14:51.000 –> 00:14:53.000
taking out all those factors and I just00:14:53.000 –> 00:14:54.000
feel amazing.00:14:55.000 –> 00:14:56.000
Yeah. I mean, what a commitment. What so00:14:56.000 –> 00:14:57.000
what do you do when you go to?00:14:57.000 –> 00:14:59.000
I mean, obviously you gotta go to events00:14:59.000 –> 00:15:01.000
and, you know, your sponsors, and you go00:15:01.000 –> 00:15:03.000
to nice dinners and all those things. So,00:15:03.000 –> 00:15:04.000
I mean, what do you do if you’re00:15:04.000 –> 00:15:06.000
at a nice high end steakhouse?00:15:07.000 –> 00:15:08.000
How do you order food?00:15:09.000 –> 00:15:11.000
Yeah. I just go pretty much as plain00:15:11.000 –> 00:15:11.000
as possible.00:15:12.000 –> 00:15:14.000
I mean, I’ll just get00:15:15.000 –> 00:15:15.000
a very00:15:16.000 –> 00:15:18.000
basic steak. I mean, say if we’re going00:15:18.000 –> 00:15:20.000
to a steak house, it would be just00:15:20.000 –> 00:15:23.000
a very basic steak, no sauce or anything00:15:23.000 –> 00:15:26.000
like that. And Just get sweet vegetables. And00:15:26.000 –> 00:15:28.000
normally, sometimes they’ll have a big sweet potato00:15:29.000 –> 00:15:31.000
or just white rice or just something kinda00:15:31.000 –> 00:15:33.000
easy like that and just keep it very00:15:33.000 –> 00:15:35.000
simple. I mean Okay. Like, I I don’t00:15:35.000 –> 00:15:38.000
eat any dairy, gluten,00:15:38.000 –> 00:15:40.000
refined, like, I don’t eat any refined sugar.00:15:40.000 –> 00:15:43.000
I’ll eat Brett. But no added sugars or00:15:43.000 –> 00:15:45.000
anything like that. And,00:15:46.000 –> 00:15:47.000
fortunately, I think I got this gene where00:15:47.000 –> 00:15:49.000
I don’t like the taste of any sort00:15:49.000 –> 00:15:50.000
of alcohol.00:15:52.000 –> 00:15:55.000
So I may have tried literally great bottles00:15:55.000 –> 00:15:56.000
of wine, and00:15:57.000 –> 00:15:59.000
high end tequila. It all just tastes like00:15:59.000 –> 00:16:02.000
gasoline to me. It’s like, oh, it’s burns.00:16:02.000 –> 00:16:02.000
Yeah.00:16:03.000 –> 00:16:06.000
So no no bourbon for you. Yeah. No.00:16:06.000 –> 00:16:08.000
For me. I mean, I just put in00:16:08.000 –> 00:16:11.000
all of it completely. So That’s awesome. That’s00:16:11.000 –> 00:16:12.000
awesome. Good for you.00:16:13.000 –> 00:16:15.000
Talk about the, you know, growing up, I00:16:15.000 –> 00:16:16.000
think it’s important.00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:19.000
You you can’t you you and Ricky Fowler00:16:19.000 –> 00:16:20.000
have a relationship. Right? Both from the same00:16:20.000 –> 00:16:21.000
hometown.00:16:21.000 –> 00:16:23.000
Oklahoma State University.00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:26.000
Talk about that. And I know, you know,00:16:26.000 –> 00:16:28.000
you probably kinda right behind you here. You00:16:28.000 –> 00:16:29.000
can see what you can see this blue00:16:29.000 –> 00:16:31.000
back around here. That’s Jackie Joiner, Kersey, one00:16:31.000 –> 00:16:32.000
of the greatest females,00:16:33.000 –> 00:16:36.000
athletes ever. And she’s from, you know, six00:16:36.000 –> 00:16:37.000
miles up the road. And I know a00:16:37.000 –> 00:16:38.000
lot of people that have come out of00:16:38.000 –> 00:16:41.000
that town And they said, they were they00:16:41.000 –> 00:16:43.000
saw somebody do it. Right? They saw Jackie00:16:43.000 –> 00:16:46.000
Joiner, Kersey. And so what about Ricky Fowler00:16:46.000 –> 00:16:46.000
for you?00:16:47.000 –> 00:16:49.000
We came from a little bit of,00:16:50.000 –> 00:16:54.000
small town golf mecca because even outside of00:16:54.000 –> 00:16:54.000
Ricky,00:16:55.000 –> 00:16:57.000
Champions tour player and PJ Tour winner Tom00:16:57.000 –> 00:17:00.000
Pernice Junior. No. He was there. Yeah.00:17:01.000 –> 00:17:03.000
They moved to California because Brooke, his youngest00:17:03.000 –> 00:17:04.000
daughter,00:17:04.000 –> 00:17:07.000
was blind, and there’s a really good acupuncturist00:17:08.000 –> 00:17:10.000
in Southern California. So Tom moved from00:17:11.000 –> 00:17:13.000
Kansas City up to Marietta. So when I00:17:13.000 –> 00:17:14.000
was00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:17.000
When I was growing up, I saw00:17:17.000 –> 00:17:20.000
Tom when he was directly in the prime00:17:20.000 –> 00:17:21.000
of his career on the PJ tour.00:17:22.000 –> 00:17:24.000
And then I also saw Ricky when he00:17:24.000 –> 00:17:25.000
was00:17:26.000 –> 00:17:29.000
eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade when he00:17:29.000 –> 00:17:32.000
was shooting these low sixty scores in these00:17:32.000 –> 00:17:33.000
junior tournaments00:17:33.000 –> 00:17:36.000
Gilliland amateur tournaments and everyone is just like00:17:36.000 –> 00:17:36.000
like00:17:37.000 –> 00:17:39.000
the next coming with Jesus. This dude. Yeah.00:17:41.000 –> 00:17:44.000
And just we struck up a friendship and00:17:44.000 –> 00:17:46.000
practice together every day and00:17:46.000 –> 00:17:49.000
we play with Tom. So, I mean, that00:17:49.000 –> 00:17:51.000
was pretty much we had one other, which00:17:51.000 –> 00:17:52.000
were probably my brother, some of the other00:17:52.000 –> 00:17:54.000
good juniors at the club. I mean, we00:17:54.000 –> 00:17:56.000
had a competitive day,00:17:57.000 –> 00:17:59.000
every single day we were together with00:17:59.000 –> 00:18:01.000
a current PJ tour player,00:18:01.000 –> 00:18:04.000
and then Ricky’s obviously well on his way00:18:04.000 –> 00:18:05.000
to becoming a golf hall of famer.00:18:06.000 –> 00:18:08.000
Yeah. And able to learn from people who00:18:08.000 –> 00:18:10.000
are better than you.00:18:11.000 –> 00:18:12.000
I think is00:18:12.000 –> 00:18:14.000
massive, and that was the main that was00:18:14.000 –> 00:18:16.000
the main reason why I picked Oklahoma State00:18:16.000 –> 00:18:17.000
was00:18:18.000 –> 00:18:21.000
I was gonna be a small fish00:18:21.000 –> 00:18:23.000
in an extremely large pond.00:18:24.000 –> 00:18:27.000
And I was there with Kevin Twain, Morgan00:18:27.000 –> 00:18:29.000
Hoffman, Peter Ulyne,00:18:29.000 –> 00:18:31.000
Taylor Gooch, Wyndham Clark,00:18:32.000 –> 00:18:33.000
and we had to qualify every week. So00:18:33.000 –> 00:18:35.000
I’m trying to figure out ways00:18:36.000 –> 00:18:38.000
to beat these first team all Americans and00:18:38.000 –> 00:18:39.000
if now00:18:39.000 –> 00:18:41.000
US Open champion and live player of the00:18:41.000 –> 00:18:42.000
year. And, I mean,00:18:43.000 –> 00:18:46.000
so just kind of picking choosing from kinda00:18:46.000 –> 00:18:48.000
each player and kinda molding your own and00:18:48.000 –> 00:18:49.000
trying to figure out how to win is00:18:49.000 –> 00:18:52.000
extremely valuable, I think, in my opinion.00:18:53.000 –> 00:18:54.000
Well, I put you on the spot earlier,00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:56.000
so I can’t do it, twice. But, man,00:18:56.000 –> 00:18:59.000
imagine if you had to pick Wyndham Clark,00:18:59.000 –> 00:19:00.000
winning the US Open00:19:00.000 –> 00:19:03.000
or Taylor Guch winning, you know, Catrillion dollars00:19:03.000 –> 00:19:06.000
in the live tour of the year. Right?00:19:06.000 –> 00:19:07.000
That’s00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:09.000
a that’s a hell of a year for00:19:09.000 –> 00:19:10.000
two of your buddies.00:19:10.000 –> 00:19:13.000
Yep. And then, I mean, obviously, Victor, with00:19:13.000 –> 00:19:13.000
the,00:19:14.000 –> 00:19:15.000
yeah,00:19:15.000 –> 00:19:16.000
up and00:19:17.000 –> 00:19:19.000
pretty cool. We walked into we had a00:19:19.000 –> 00:19:22.000
tournament up at Oaktree National, little pro scratch00:19:22.000 –> 00:19:25.000
in Edmund, Oklahoma about three weeks ago, and00:19:25.000 –> 00:19:28.000
you walk into the pro shop and You00:19:28.000 –> 00:19:30.000
got the FedEx cut trophy on one side.00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:31.000
You got to live00:19:31.000 –> 00:19:33.000
golf trophy on the other side because Victor00:19:33.000 –> 00:19:36.000
and Taylor both play out at Oaktree National.00:19:36.000 –> 00:19:36.000
So it was00:19:38.000 –> 00:19:39.000
were they there?00:19:40.000 –> 00:19:43.000
Victor was. Yeah. Taylor went out I’ll be00:19:43.000 –> 00:19:45.000
there. Yeah. Yeah. Victor had a hell of00:19:45.000 –> 00:19:48.000
a year, man. That’s awesome. So talk about,00:19:49.000 –> 00:19:50.000
you know, walking in that locker room, man.00:19:50.000 –> 00:19:52.000
So you’re you’re going in basically a month00:19:52.000 –> 00:19:55.000
from now, you’re gonna walk in and and,00:19:55.000 –> 00:19:56.000
you know, it’s pretty cool as the guy’s00:19:56.000 –> 00:19:59.000
following golf, Tiger playing today and teeing it00:19:59.000 –> 00:20:00.000
I think I I looked. He was plus00:20:00.000 –> 00:20:02.000
three through seventeen when we’re right before we00:20:02.000 –> 00:20:05.000
started recording. So he’s right there. He’s five00:20:05.000 –> 00:20:07.000
or six back, I think, or seven back.00:20:07.000 –> 00:20:09.000
But cool. See him back out there. But00:20:09.000 –> 00:20:10.000
But walk through and I know you played00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:11.000
in p g a two or events, so00:20:11.000 –> 00:20:13.000
maybe it’ll be different for you now. But00:20:13.000 –> 00:20:15.000
as a p g a two or pro,00:20:15.000 –> 00:20:17.000
walking into there, into that locker room, man.00:20:17.000 –> 00:20:20.000
What’s that gonna be like for you and,00:20:20.000 –> 00:20:21.000
and how do you keep your game face00:20:21.000 –> 00:20:22.000
on?00:20:22.000 –> 00:20:23.000
Yeah.00:20:23.000 –> 00:20:26.000
I mean, it’s almost since the season’s been00:20:26.000 –> 00:20:28.000
over, it’s almost been a sense of relief00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:30.000
just because00:20:30.000 –> 00:20:33.000
I mean, this journey’s been so long and00:20:33.000 –> 00:20:35.000
you never know if you’re ever if you’re00:20:35.000 –> 00:20:36.000
ever gonna get there. I mean, you can00:20:36.000 –> 00:20:38.000
do all the right stuff and00:20:38.000 –> 00:20:40.000
It just sometimes it’s just not in the00:20:40.000 –> 00:20:41.000
cards. And so I think kinda getting over00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:41.000
the hump00:20:42.000 –> 00:20:42.000
of00:20:47.000 –> 00:20:49.000
getting that to her card has been a00:20:49.000 –> 00:20:51.000
massive sensor relief and I’m gonna go in00:20:51.000 –> 00:20:53.000
there and I’m gonna enjoy every00:20:54.000 –> 00:20:55.000
single00:20:55.000 –> 00:20:57.000
week and every tournament. And00:20:58.000 –> 00:21:00.000
I’m just I’m really trying to00:21:01.000 –> 00:21:03.000
tell myself and remind myself to enjoy it00:21:03.000 –> 00:21:05.000
because I know it’s gonna the year is00:21:05.000 –> 00:21:06.000
gonna go fast.00:21:07.000 –> 00:21:09.000
I mean, nothing’s guaranteed. I mean,00:21:10.000 –> 00:21:11.000
I could play one year. I could play00:21:12.000 –> 00:21:15.000
twenty five years. Yeah. So I’m just gonna00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:15.000
try to be as present as00:21:17.000 –> 00:21:18.000
possible.00:21:18.000 –> 00:21:20.000
I know that good golf is gonna take00:21:20.000 –> 00:21:21.000
care of itself,00:21:21.000 –> 00:21:24.000
and I don’t need to try and change00:21:24.000 –> 00:21:26.000
my game to00:21:26.000 –> 00:21:28.000
fit the PJ tour and try to00:21:29.000 –> 00:21:31.000
be someone else’s game or anything like that.00:21:31.000 –> 00:21:33.000
And I might genuinely know if I go00:21:33.000 –> 00:21:35.000
and I play good golf, then gonna plan00:21:35.000 –> 00:21:37.000
on that tour for a very, very long00:21:37.000 –> 00:21:39.000
time. Love it. Because you gotta be in00:21:39.000 –> 00:21:41.000
the, what, top 01:50 to keep the card?00:21:42.000 –> 00:21:43.000
Top 01:25.00:21:43.000 –> 00:21:46.000
That 01:25. Okay. Yeah. 01:2600:21:46.000 –> 00:21:47.000
to 01:5000:21:47.000 –> 00:21:50.000
is still pretty much like a full card.00:21:50.000 –> 00:21:51.000
Okay.00:21:52.000 –> 00:21:53.000
I’ll just get to play. Do you get00:21:53.000 –> 00:21:54.000
to play in all the tournaments this year00:21:54.000 –> 00:21:56.000
other than, like, say, the masters, things you00:21:56.000 –> 00:21:58.000
gotta qualify for, but do you get to00:21:58.000 –> 00:21:59.000
play in most of the tournaments?00:22:00.000 –> 00:22:03.000
Most of them. And then they have they00:22:03.000 –> 00:22:06.000
have including the four majors. They have those00:22:06.000 –> 00:22:07.000
signature events that they’re calling.00:22:08.000 –> 00:22:11.000
Where they’ve kinda created their own it’s like00:22:11.000 –> 00:22:13.000
sixty or seventy man fields.00:22:14.000 –> 00:22:16.000
No cut kind of deal. You can play00:22:16.000 –> 00:22:18.000
your way into those throughout the season. Okay.00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:21.000
And then obviously you can qualify for00:22:21.000 –> 00:22:23.000
US Open Brett Gilliland00:22:24.000 –> 00:22:25.000
stuff like that. So, I mean, I’ll probably00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:27.000
if I had to guess00:22:27.000 –> 00:22:30.000
low twenties and mid twenties of full season.00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:33.000
Yeah. Awesome. So, I know these guys will00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:35.000
be listening to this. So we’re gonna have00:22:35.000 –> 00:22:36.000
a little fun, and we’re gonna talk about00:22:36.000 –> 00:22:38.000
what the amateur golfer can do. So I00:22:38.000 –> 00:22:40.000
I these are two brothers, Mikey and Timmy00:22:40.000 –> 00:22:40.000
Rai.00:22:41.000 –> 00:22:43.000
And, you know, I’m gonna just I’m gonna00:22:43.000 –> 00:22:44.000
take a lot of their money this summer00:22:44.000 –> 00:22:46.000
coming up here in two thousand twenty four.00:22:46.000 –> 00:22:48.000
So what do I need to do as00:22:48.000 –> 00:22:49.000
a guy? Listen to this right now or00:22:49.000 –> 00:22:51.000
gal? Listen to this. It’s Gulf or what00:22:51.000 –> 00:22:52.000
I need to do this season to be00:22:52.000 –> 00:22:54.000
ready for Gilliland then, how do I get00:22:54.000 –> 00:22:56.000
better throughout the year?00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:58.000
So00:22:59.000 –> 00:23:02.000
to be ready, I mean, you need to00:23:02.000 –> 00:23:04.000
have a small list of just your daily00:23:04.000 –> 00:23:06.000
fundamentals Gilliland those should not change.00:23:08.000 –> 00:23:10.000
They shouldn’t change over the entire year.00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:11.000
Because00:23:12.000 –> 00:23:15.000
to stay working on them and00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:17.000
one percent each day, you’ll just kinda get00:23:17.000 –> 00:23:20.000
better, better, better. And then within a year,00:23:20.000 –> 00:23:21.000
then you can kinda reevaluate.00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:24.000
Yep. Next is And when those things, are00:23:24.000 –> 00:23:26.000
you talking about, like, working on chipping, working00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:27.000
on putting, or is this more of, exercise00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:29.000
type of stuff. Because, obviously, it’s cold here.00:23:29.000 –> 00:23:31.000
We can’t play that much golf.00:23:31.000 –> 00:23:33.000
Yeah. I mean, you know,00:23:33.000 –> 00:23:34.000
do some indoor stuff.00:23:35.000 –> 00:23:36.000
Regarding golf.00:23:36.000 –> 00:23:38.000
If there’s, like, a pattern you wanna change,00:23:38.000 –> 00:23:40.000
if you’re too steep, too shallow,00:23:41.000 –> 00:23:44.000
just kinda work on those. And then00:23:44.000 –> 00:23:46.000
you gotta figure out because that’s only one00:23:46.000 –> 00:23:48.000
third of the whole puzzle.00:23:49.000 –> 00:23:51.000
I mean, the other one, you gotta know00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:53.000
how to hit shots. So I mean,00:23:54.000 –> 00:23:55.000
that’s why you’ll see00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:58.000
some guys with terrible golf swings,00:23:58.000 –> 00:24:01.000
beat guys with perfect golf swings, just because00:24:01.000 –> 00:24:02.000
they know how to play the game of00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:03.000
golf better.00:24:04.000 –> 00:24:07.000
And, I mean, that’s just as important as00:24:07.000 –> 00:24:10.000
having the perfect wrist angle or whatever the00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:12.000
this fat is on00:24:12.000 –> 00:24:15.000
social media. I mean, if you can sit00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:16.000
up there and hit a draw against a00:24:16.000 –> 00:24:18.000
left to right wing to a left pin00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:20.000
and then the next hole hit a fade00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:22.000
to a right pin with a right crosswind.00:24:23.000 –> 00:24:25.000
That’s gonna pay dividends compared to00:24:25.000 –> 00:24:27.000
video your swing and trying to have it00:24:27.000 –> 00:24:28.000
look00:24:28.000 –> 00:24:30.000
So how do you do that Kevin, like,00:24:30.000 –> 00:24:32.000
right? So let’s say, I mean, to the00:24:32.000 –> 00:24:34.000
to the ten handicap guy or the fifteen00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000
handicap guy that probably can’t do that,00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:38.000
How do you recommend that? We just, obviously,00:24:38.000 –> 00:24:40.000
gotta learn it, gotta watch videos, gotta get00:24:40.000 –> 00:24:42.000
with somebody, learn it, and then just edit00:24:42.000 –> 00:24:44.000
copy, edit paste five thousand times.00:24:44.000 –> 00:24:45.000
Yeah. You just kinda gotta00:24:46.000 –> 00:24:48.000
experiment a little bit. I mean, when you00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:49.000
do have that time to go to the00:24:49.000 –> 00:24:51.000
range, I mean, try to make it fun.00:24:51.000 –> 00:24:52.000
I mean, don’t00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:55.000
don’t hit seven iron twenty five times at00:24:55.000 –> 00:24:55.000
the same00:24:56.000 –> 00:24:57.000
at the same flag on the range. I00:24:57.000 –> 00:25:00.000
mean, hit a cut six to it and00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:02.000
then grab your eight and try to hook00:25:02.000 –> 00:25:03.000
the eight out. I don’t care if it00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:03.000
hooks00:25:04.000 –> 00:25:06.000
fifty yards, but just try to figure out00:25:06.000 –> 00:25:07.000
how to play golf and then go to00:25:07.000 –> 00:25:10.000
a different flag. And, I mean, I would00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:10.000
challenge00:25:11.000 –> 00:25:12.000
anyone to00:25:12.000 –> 00:25:15.000
not hit the same club twice to the00:25:15.000 –> 00:25:15.000
same target00:25:16.000 –> 00:25:18.000
during a practice session. And I bet I00:25:18.000 –> 00:25:19.000
bet their golf would get so much better.00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000
I love that. That’s awesome. Then what do00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:25.000
you got? What advice you got for me?00:25:25.000 –> 00:25:26.000
It’d be a better putter.00:25:26.000 –> 00:25:28.000
Better putter. Well,00:25:28.000 –> 00:25:30.000
do you have bad speed?00:25:30.000 –> 00:25:32.000
Or is it more No. I’m I’m good00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:34.000
lagging wise. It’s just, you know, that eight00:25:34.000 –> 00:25:36.000
foot putt, that that ten foot putt, I00:25:36.000 –> 00:25:38.000
miss, you know, probably. Well, I problem is00:25:38.000 –> 00:25:40.000
I probably think I may I should make00:25:40.000 –> 00:25:41.000
every one of them. In reality, I’d probably00:25:41.000 –> 00:25:43.000
make about thirty percent of them. Right? But00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:45.000
I but it seems like that’s my game.00:25:45.000 –> 00:25:47.000
And I’m solid from t to green, and00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:48.000
then I, you know, I can’t hit Brad00:25:48.000 –> 00:25:49.000
said I have a bar and when it00:25:49.000 –> 00:25:51.000
I just I don’t read putts very well.00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:52.000
Yeah. So,00:25:52.000 –> 00:25:54.000
I mean, I have a daily,00:25:55.000 –> 00:25:58.000
daily putting, green reading drill that I think00:25:58.000 –> 00:26:01.000
is incredible, and it’s very simple. So all00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:02.000
you need is two dimes00:26:03.000 –> 00:26:05.000
and pretty much as Sharpie. So00:26:06.000 –> 00:26:08.000
same thing. Random. We’re only gonna hit one00:26:08.000 –> 00:26:10.000
putt from the same spot and00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:12.000
for example, say you’re ten feet on the00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:13.000
putting green. Yeah.00:26:14.000 –> 00:26:16.000
All down. Just put a little black dot00:26:16.000 –> 00:26:18.000
behind the hole to mark your spot.00:26:18.000 –> 00:26:20.000
Get behind it. However, you need to read00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:22.000
it. However, you do it on the course.00:26:22.000 –> 00:26:24.000
Do that. Put the black dot behind the00:26:24.000 –> 00:26:25.000
ball or behind the hole?00:26:25.000 –> 00:26:29.000
Behind the ball. Okay. Yep. Just so after00:26:29.000 –> 00:26:31.000
you hit your putt, you don’t lose your00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:31.000
spot.00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:32.000
Got it.00:26:33.000 –> 00:26:34.000
So then, however, you need to read the00:26:34.000 –> 00:26:36.000
green, read it, and then00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:38.000
about halfway between00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:40.000
you and the hold. Take your two dimes00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:43.000
about a putter head width apart. And00:26:44.000 –> 00:26:46.000
wherever you think the ball needs to roll,00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:48.000
just put it right there in the center00:26:48.000 –> 00:26:51.000
with the two dimes on the side and00:26:51.000 –> 00:26:53.000
go back to your black dot and then00:26:53.000 –> 00:26:55.000
if you roll it through the dimes with00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:56.000
good speed,00:26:57.000 –> 00:26:59.000
it should go in with a good read.00:27:00.000 –> 00:27:02.000
So you roll it through the dimes and00:27:02.000 –> 00:27:03.000
it misses, then you know00:27:04.000 –> 00:27:05.000
that it’s a bad read. So now you’re00:27:05.000 –> 00:27:07.000
constantly working on green reading. So if you00:27:07.000 –> 00:27:08.000
were to do that,00:27:09.000 –> 00:27:11.000
nine holes a day, nine different putts uphill00:27:11.000 –> 00:27:14.000
right to left, downhill left to right,00:27:14.000 –> 00:27:17.000
all different distances. I mean, it’s impossible not00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:18.000
to get better at Green Reading.00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:21.000
Maybe I just edit edit this part out00:27:21.000 –> 00:27:23.000
and don’t let Nike and Timmy and all00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:25.000
my buddies hear this. Is that Yeah. No.00:27:25.000 –> 00:27:26.000
We’ll let it go. We’ll let it go.00:27:27.000 –> 00:27:28.000
I think that’d be good.00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000
I mean, I00:27:30.000 –> 00:27:32.000
I understand too. I mean, it’s tough for00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:35.000
it’s tough for guys that are getting out00:27:35.000 –> 00:27:37.000
of the house once or twice a week00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:38.000
and Yeah.00:27:38.000 –> 00:27:39.000
Go up.00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000
I mean, you show up thirty five, forty00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:42.000
minutes.00:27:42.000 –> 00:27:44.000
Grab a drink, hit some balls,00:27:44.000 –> 00:27:46.000
hit five putts, and then go. I mean,00:27:47.000 –> 00:27:49.000
yes. And sometimes just grab a drink, don’t00:27:49.000 –> 00:27:51.000
hit balls, hold the put the phone down,00:27:51.000 –> 00:27:53.000
tee off, grab the phone and walk, and00:27:53.000 –> 00:27:54.000
you meet your buddies on the first screen.00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:56.000
Yeah. You’re finishing a call or something. But,00:27:56.000 –> 00:27:59.000
that’s awesome. Talk about I mean, you guys00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000
got one of my old buddies. One of00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
my old college buddies is at your country00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000
club. Tony Romo.00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:05.000
Little did I know that Tony Romo was00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:08.000
gonna be the, you know, Dallas Cowboys quarter00:28:08.000 –> 00:28:09.000
back and, you know, make, you know, hundreds00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:11.000
of millions of dollars on CBS as a00:28:11.000 –> 00:28:12.000
sportscaster,00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:15.000
but played a lot of basketball with Tony00:28:15.000 –> 00:28:17.000
in college. And, he probably could have been00:28:17.000 –> 00:28:18.000
on our golf team.00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:20.000
But he was not. And, because he was00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000
too busy playing football. So you got Tony00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
Romo, Will’s Altorris, and the guys. That’s who00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:26.000
you’re playing golf with and having games with.00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:27.000
Right? Right.00:28:27.000 –> 00:28:30.000
Yeah. I mean, fortunately, Meredith has an unbelievable00:28:32.000 –> 00:28:33.000
membership. I mean,00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:37.000
everyone from kinda all the big sports around00:28:37.000 –> 00:28:39.000
Dallas is a member there.00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:39.000
Pavelelski00:28:40.000 –> 00:28:41.000
player,00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:43.000
We got Ian Kinsler who played in the00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:44.000
Mlb promo and there’s twenty pros Martin00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:50.000
Flores00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000
Sabashia Munja as Taylor Moore, PJ Tour winner.00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000
Davis Riley winner.00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
And we’re all pretty much on the same00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:02.000
schedule. So it’s very, very easy to get00:29:02.000 –> 00:29:03.000
a game, and00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
that’s kind of the easiest way00:29:06.000 –> 00:29:08.000
to recreate tournament fields00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:11.000
when you’re playing Realmo with infinite money00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:13.000
again. Exactly.00:29:14.000 –> 00:29:16.000
And wanting strokes too. He’s wanting to pop00:29:16.000 –> 00:29:18.000
on how many holes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No.00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:18.000
He definitely00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:21.000
he definitely tries to win the bet on00:29:21.000 –> 00:29:22.000
the first tee.00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
I’m not good at negotiator. Are you? So00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:27.000
I mean, if you and Will’s Al Torres00:29:27.000 –> 00:29:28.000
are going out, this is another one I00:29:28.000 –> 00:29:30.000
joke with some of my buddies about in00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
this guy, Pete, we always joke. And I’m00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:33.000
like, you know, if Tiger and Rory are00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:35.000
going out playing golf. You really think they’re00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:37.000
negotiating on the first tee who’s getting pops?00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:39.000
I’m like, no. They go play Gilliland00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:42.000
Brett man wins. Stop asking for stroke. You00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:44.000
know? And so I assume that’s the way00:29:44.000 –> 00:29:45.000
it is. Am I correct in saying that00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:47.000
you and Will Zelle Torres don’t talk about00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:49.000
pops in the first tee box?00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:52.000
No. Absolutely not. Like,00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:55.000
no. I wouldn’t ask. Thank you, Kevin.00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
I wouldn’t ask Tiger. I wouldn’t ask whoever00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000
never Scott, I mean, Scott is out there00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:01.000
a lot. Like, No. You00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:04.000
when you’re in this professional golf00:30:05.000 –> 00:30:07.000
era Or amateur golf, and you just wanna00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:08.000
take it to your buddies. If you’re a00:30:08.000 –> 00:30:10.000
three handicap, and I’m a one handicap, I00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:12.000
should to give you two pops.00:30:12.000 –> 00:30:13.000
I agree. Yeah.00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:16.000
Thank you. From00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:19.000
I would say from mini tours to00:30:21.000 –> 00:30:24.000
Brett much if you’re playing every single major,00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000
every single year, you never ask for pops.00:30:27.000 –> 00:30:28.000
Some guy that just came you’re signing up00:30:28.000 –> 00:30:29.000
for professional golf.00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:32.000
Like, if you’re asking for pops, like, you’re00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:33.000
probably00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:35.000
in the wrong industry.00:30:37.000 –> 00:30:39.000
You gotta have you gotta have the faith00:30:39.000 –> 00:30:40.000
that you can go out and you can00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:42.000
just drum these guys. Yeah. I love that.00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:44.000
It’s kinda like when I was in my,00:30:44.000 –> 00:30:45.000
I think, mid twenties, and I was looking00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:47.000
for a new car. I thought I was00:30:47.000 –> 00:30:49.000
a successful hotshot. And I asked the car00:30:49.000 –> 00:30:51.000
dealer guy. I said, what’s what’s the miles00:30:51.000 –> 00:30:53.000
per gallon for this on gas on this00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:55.000
escalator? The guy goes, I don’t know. He00:30:55.000 –> 00:30:57.000
goes, the people that buy them don’t ask00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:58.000
that. And I go,00:30:58.000 –> 00:31:00.000
great idea. I’m out. See you later. Thanks00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:03.000
for your help. You know? Don’t need pops.00:31:03.000 –> 00:31:03.000
So00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:06.000
Last few stuff, we’re gonna talk about, but00:31:06.000 –> 00:31:08.000
a cool story, man, and I think about00:31:08.000 –> 00:31:10.000
putting yourself in the right spot, Justin Timberlake,00:31:12.000 –> 00:31:13.000
tell us that story. You talked about that00:31:13.000 –> 00:31:16.000
last time when we recorded. And, tell me00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:16.000
that story.00:31:17.000 –> 00:31:20.000
Yeah. So just golf being such a small00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:20.000
world.00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:22.000
Grayson00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.000
is one of my sponsorships00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:26.000
for clothing and Great stuff, by the way.00:31:28.000 –> 00:31:29.000
Unbelievable. Gilliland00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:32.000
close with Morgan Hoffman and who started grayson00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:35.000
after leaving Gilliland00:31:35.000 –> 00:31:37.000
we just kinda went on a boys trip00:31:37.000 –> 00:31:40.000
up to New York Morgan has his own00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:41.000
single engine00:31:41.000 –> 00:31:42.000
piper00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000
Mirage, so we kind of flew around the00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:48.000
country and play all some, like, great golf00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
spots and everything like that. And we stopped00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:53.000
up in New York where Charlie Schaffer00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:56.000
who’s also another big name in Grayson, designer00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000
from r l x that went to Grayson.00:32:00.000 –> 00:32:02.000
So we’re gonna play golf with him and00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:04.000
he kinda had the relationship with Justin,00:32:05.000 –> 00:32:07.000
and we’re gonna play Liberty National.00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:09.000
So we show up the next day. I00:32:09.000 –> 00:32:11.000
mean, I’m just thinking it’s me Morgan and00:32:11.000 –> 00:32:11.000
Charlie.00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:15.000
And show up. And, yeah, the fourth was00:32:15.000 –> 00:32:16.000
Justin Timberlake. Holy shit. Yeah.00:32:17.000 –> 00:32:17.000
So00:32:21.000 –> 00:32:23.000
were playing Gilliland00:32:23.000 –> 00:32:24.000
he was amazing. He was a complete boy’s00:32:24.000 –> 00:32:24.000
boy, having00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:26.000
fun,00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:32.000
shooting the shit, just kinda doing00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:33.000
everything00:32:35.000 –> 00:32:37.000
that you and your buddies would do. Yeah.00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:39.000
That’s kind of the round was coming to00:32:39.000 –> 00:32:41.000
an end. He was just saying, Hey, like,00:32:41.000 –> 00:32:43.000
y’all everyone had come to a concert.00:32:43.000 –> 00:32:44.000
Let me know.00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:45.000
And00:32:46.000 –> 00:32:48.000
to, like, gave us his phone number. I’m00:32:48.000 –> 00:32:49.000
like, wow.00:32:50.000 –> 00:32:52.000
Thinking, yeah, it’s probably his manager’s phone number00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:53.000
or00:32:53.000 –> 00:32:55.000
the person who deals with tickets or whatever.00:32:55.000 –> 00:32:56.000
So00:32:57.000 –> 00:32:59.000
probably three or four months go by.00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:02.000
And I see that he’s playing00:33:02.000 –> 00:33:04.000
right here in my backyard in Dallas.00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:06.000
So my god, I’ll give it a shot.00:33:07.000 –> 00:33:09.000
Text him. Hey, dude. I see that you’re00:33:09.000 –> 00:33:11.000
playing in Dallas. Never been to a concert00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:13.000
I’d love to come.00:33:13.000 –> 00:33:14.000
I mean, within a minute,00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000
he responds.00:33:16.000 –> 00:33:17.000
Hey, dude. Absolutely.00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:21.000
We’ll get you set up, friends and family00:33:21.000 –> 00:33:23.000
passes, all this. Damn.00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:25.000
So that was amazing.00:33:26.000 –> 00:33:29.000
And had an awesome time. Got to see00:33:29.000 –> 00:33:30.000
him after the show.00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:33.000
His wife was there. Gilliland my wife got00:33:33.000 –> 00:33:36.000
to me, talked. And it’s just Amazing. Like,00:33:36.000 –> 00:33:36.000
just completely00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:38.000
normal00:33:38.000 –> 00:33:40.000
down to earth couldn’t be better.00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000
Fast forward maybe three or four months. We00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:46.000
had, some off time our corn ferry schedule,00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:48.000
and I was out in Scottsdale,00:33:48.000 –> 00:33:51.000
and kinda his tour was going right through00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
there. And I’m like, I had a couple00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:55.000
buddies with me as, hey, you guys wanna00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:56.000
go to a concert? They said, yeah.00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:57.000
So00:33:57.000 –> 00:34:00.000
same thing. Like, hadn’t talked to him since00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000
maybe the day after he played here in00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
Dallas just saying thanks for whatever. And,00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:05.000
hey, I’m in Scottsdale.00:34:06.000 –> 00:34:08.000
See that you’re playing. I’m here for00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:11.000
cut like a week or so. Like, let’s00:34:11.000 –> 00:34:13.000
get to you. Bam.00:34:13.000 –> 00:34:13.000
Immediately.00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:16.000
Got you stirring00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
It was during,00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:21.000
spring training. So that everyone was there.00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:23.000
And, I mean, I’m00:34:23.000 –> 00:34:26.000
sitting there watching JT perform next to Mike00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000
trout and Kershon.00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:31.000
Yeah. I’m just like, what is going on?00:34:31.000 –> 00:34:33.000
Like, I’m just keeping my cool act like00:34:33.000 –> 00:34:33.000
this is normal.00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:34.000
Yeah.00:34:35.000 –> 00:34:38.000
So kinda same thing after, like, as the00:34:38.000 –> 00:34:40.000
show starts to wind down, like, they kinda00:34:40.000 –> 00:34:41.000
filter us just kinda into,00:34:42.000 –> 00:34:44.000
like, a big, like, room00:34:44.000 –> 00:34:47.000
kind of where he hangs out after and00:34:48.000 –> 00:34:50.000
that’s when Aaron Rogers was there in Dayton00:34:50.000 –> 00:34:52.000
Danick Apache at the time and John00:34:54.000 –> 00:34:54.000
Malanger00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:56.000
you know, I kinda go way back just00:34:56.000 –> 00:34:59.000
because he played it for Jenny Country Club00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:01.000
in Long Beach, and my grandfather lived there.00:35:01.000 –> 00:35:04.000
So Matt has sparked up a little conversation00:35:04.000 –> 00:35:05.000
with Aaron. Just say, hey, I think we00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000
have a mutual friend, John Malinger goes, oh,00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:10.000
yeah, because they used to play a pro00:35:10.000 –> 00:35:11.000
am together and00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
So me and JT were just planning on00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:16.000
playing golf the next day at Scottsdale National.00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:18.000
Because I was with PXG at the time.00:35:18.000 –> 00:35:19.000
That’s where he was staying.00:35:20.000 –> 00:35:22.000
And he just invited Aaron.00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:23.000
And00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000
so00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000
show up the next day and on the00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:28.000
first tee, it’s myself.00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:29.000
Justin,00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:32.000
Aaron, and Justin’s manager.00:35:32.000 –> 00:35:34.000
And I’m just, like, I’m just hanging out00:35:34.000 –> 00:35:36.000
with who’s who and00:35:36.000 –> 00:35:37.000
the best part.00:35:38.000 –> 00:35:40.000
That I’ve been around00:35:41.000 –> 00:35:44.000
guys of that stature that absolutely suck. And,00:35:44.000 –> 00:35:45.000
like, I00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:48.000
I’m like, whatever. Like, you’re not worth my00:35:48.000 –> 00:35:49.000
time. And00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:50.000
that can be,00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:51.000
like,00:35:52.000 –> 00:35:54.000
more truthful when I say Aaron and JT00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
are just so down to earth00:35:56.000 –> 00:36:00.000
genuine and just kinda actually care about, like,00:36:00.000 –> 00:36:03.000
the people that are around. So That’s awesome.00:36:03.000 –> 00:36:05.000
Well, looks like Aaron Rogers may be coming00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:06.000
back, man. How cool would that be? I00:36:06.000 –> 00:36:07.000
mean, after tearing your Achilles?00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:11.000
It’s impressive. I mean, it’s inspiring00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:12.000
kinda It is.00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:15.000
Work that he’s doing and00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:17.000
the power of the mind. And,00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:20.000
I mean, it’s it’s wild. I hope I00:36:20.000 –> 00:36:23.000
hope that he can come back and, I00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:26.000
mean, somehow, have the Cinderella story and turn00:36:27.000 –> 00:36:29.000
turn those jets around and Just something to00:36:29.000 –> 00:36:30.000
be amazing.00:36:30.000 –> 00:36:32.000
So last last topic here is you you00:36:32.000 –> 00:36:33.000
said to power the mind and I was00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:36.000
actually going to mindset. So, again, whether I’m00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000
on the golf course and I’m frustrated and00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000
and I’m work, I’m frustrated or a home00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:41.000
you can be frustrated.00:36:42.000 –> 00:36:43.000
What what are some of the the kind00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:46.000
of the practices you do to stay mentally00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:49.000
strong? Cause mental performance is Kevin no matter00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:50.000
what area of life. Right? So so what00:36:50.000 –> 00:36:52.000
do you do to stay mentally strong and00:36:52.000 –> 00:36:55.000
maybe not get too high, too low, no00:36:55.000 –> 00:36:56.000
matter what moment you’re in?00:36:57.000 –> 00:37:00.000
Yeah. So one thing that I’ve learned from00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
my mental coach is00:37:03.000 –> 00:37:05.000
figuring out how to stay present. And00:37:07.000 –> 00:37:09.000
I know it sounds pretty cliche, but00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:11.000
when things start to00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:14.000
speed up or go sideways, and00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:17.000
our minds start racing or everything like that.00:37:17.000 –> 00:37:17.000
So00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:19.000
becoming mindful00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:20.000
of00:37:21.000 –> 00:37:23.000
those times, and then I literally asked myself00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:26.000
Like, how do I know I’m breathing?00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000
Because if I know that I’m breathing, like,00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:30.000
if I focus on, like, for me, like,00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:32.000
I feel like the air going in my00:37:32.000 –> 00:37:32.000
nostrils,00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:34.000
and then I’ll,00:37:34.000 –> 00:37:36.000
like, I am so dialed into00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:39.000
this present moment.00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:42.000
That everything else kinda00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000
the waves start to get smaller and smaller00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:45.000
from, like, the outside of what I’m kinda00:37:45.000 –> 00:37:46.000
going00:37:48.000 –> 00:37:48.000
through.00:37:48.000 –> 00:37:50.000
So if it’s from frustration00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
or if I’m in contention,00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:55.000
and I’ll do it multiple times around. I00:37:55.000 –> 00:37:57.000
mean, multiple times a hole if I need00:37:57.000 –> 00:37:59.000
to just walk into a shot, breathing, focusing.00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000
Yeah. Exactly. I mean, just stuff that you00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:03.000
can control.00:38:05.000 –> 00:38:07.000
So I’d say that would be one of00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000
them. And then00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000
just daily00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:10.000
mindfulness practices.00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:13.000
So, like, this morning, I wake up00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:17.000
and I pretty much set my alarm for00:38:17.000 –> 00:38:19.000
anywhere between five to seven minutes00:38:19.000 –> 00:38:21.000
and close my eyes.00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:24.000
And I literally try to see every thought00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:24.000
that comes into my mind. And I don’t00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
act upon it00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:30.000
or00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:33.000
judge it or anything like that just pretty00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:35.000
much like waves in the ocean because that00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:37.000
thought comes in and then it goes out00:38:37.000 –> 00:38:39.000
and just not giving00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:41.000
any And that’s starting to rub, but that’s,00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:44.000
oh, my shoulder hurts. It’s okay. Don’t say00:38:44.000 –> 00:38:46.000
anything. It’s, I gotta do this thing today.00:38:46.000 –> 00:38:48.000
I gotta run this, Aaron. Gotta practice this00:38:48.000 –> 00:38:50.000
way. I gotta this meeting later.00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
Don’t think.00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:55.000
Don’t judge. Brett it go. Yep.00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000
Yep. It just kinda gets you00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:01.000
kinda gets you in like the being mode00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:03.000
of mind rather than always trying to do00:39:03.000 –> 00:39:04.000
something00:39:05.000 –> 00:39:07.000
and trying to control this and trying to00:39:07.000 –> 00:39:08.000
control that.00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:11.000
Like, because if you tried control too much,00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:11.000
then00:39:12.000 –> 00:39:12.000
Yeah.00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:14.000
Then you feel like00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:17.000
you, like, are almost out of control. Like,00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:17.000
this00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
first time something falls off a shelf. I00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:22.000
mean, you’re triggered. Or, so there’s definitely a00:39:22.000 –> 00:39:23.000
balance between00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
what you can’t control and what you cannot00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:27.000
control. Yep.00:39:27.000 –> 00:39:29.000
Yep. Solid. Solid being in the moment, man.00:39:29.000 –> 00:39:31.000
It’s also I find myself00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:33.000
you go out maybe you birdie one and00:39:33.000 –> 00:39:35.000
three, and you’re like, alright, man. Two hundred.00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:36.000
Man, if I do that. And it’s like00:39:36.000 –> 00:39:38.000
you already start thinking about that, you know,00:39:38.000 –> 00:39:40.000
for us guys, if I’m a go out00:39:40.000 –> 00:39:41.000
and have a chance to shoot sixty eight.00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:43.000
You know, I’m like, holy crap. You know,00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:45.000
but then I’m like, I gotta stay present.00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000
The next swing matters. Don’t worry about where00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:48.000
I’m at at the end of the round.00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:49.000
And I try to do that. But as00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:51.000
soon as and I’m getting better at it,00:39:51.000 –> 00:39:52.000
but as soon as my mind starts going00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:54.000
there, and it’s like, oh, crap. There’s a00:39:54.000 –> 00:39:55.000
double bogey.00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000
You know, it just takes all focus away.00:39:57.000 –> 00:40:00.000
It’s crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s why00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:04.000
literally learning how to be incredibly present is00:40:04.000 –> 00:40:05.000
so powerful because00:40:06.000 –> 00:40:09.000
I mean, what you did two holes ago00:40:09.000 –> 00:40:09.000
is00:40:10.000 –> 00:40:12.000
completely irrelevant to this shot.00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:14.000
And then00:40:14.000 –> 00:40:17.000
if you’re worrying about screwing it up, like00:40:17.000 –> 00:40:17.000
you’ve00:40:18.000 –> 00:40:19.000
already casted this00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:23.000
pretty much this future that you think you00:40:23.000 –> 00:40:24.000
should be in.00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:28.000
Yeah. You know, rather than just staying present00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:30.000
and just dealing and living with the outcome.00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:31.000
Yep.00:40:32.000 –> 00:40:33.000
I I keep saying last question, but I’m00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000
just curious if you got like you. I00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:37.000
I just picked up a sixty degree wedge00:40:37.000 –> 00:40:38.000
this past year. I’ve never done that. My00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:41.000
whole career of playing golf. But what what00:40:41.000 –> 00:40:42.000
wedges do you use?00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:44.000
I use Voci.00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:48.000
Okay. That’s what I use. Yeah. Voci. Sixty,00:40:48.000 –> 00:40:49.000
fifty six,00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:51.000
fifty two.00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:55.000
And a fun little story actually about Voci00:40:55.000 –> 00:40:56.000
is00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:59.000
So Aaron Dill is the head00:41:01.000 –> 00:41:03.000
pretty much Bob Vokey’s right hand man on00:41:03.000 –> 00:41:04.000
tour.00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:05.000
Okay.00:41:07.000 –> 00:41:09.000
Take it back, I don’t know, twenty years.00:41:09.000 –> 00:41:13.000
Kevin Dale was working at a local golf00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:14.000
shop in my hometown, and he was my00:41:14.000 –> 00:41:15.000
first00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:16.000
golf coach.00:41:17.000 –> 00:41:17.000
No way.00:41:18.000 –> 00:41:20.000
Yeah. Now he’s building what I he’s building00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:23.000
wedges for all these major champions and00:41:23.000 –> 00:41:25.000
buddies of mine that obviously are out winning00:41:25.000 –> 00:41:27.000
and stuff like that. And if Aaron gets00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:28.000
brought up, my buddy, he’s my first golf00:41:28.000 –> 00:41:31.000
coach and guys are just what, blown away.00:41:31.000 –> 00:41:31.000
So00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:35.000
golf such as, like, crazy, small. It’s small00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:35.000
world.00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:38.000
It’s my, thirteen year old’s pump, man, mom00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:40.000
and dad got him a fifty two, a00:41:40.000 –> 00:41:42.000
fifty six, and a sixty Vokey for Christmas00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
this year. And he just, like, cannot wait00:41:45.000 –> 00:41:47.000
to get those bad boys. So, man, I00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000
can keep talking, gawking all day long.00:41:50.000 –> 00:41:51.000
But, man, you are gonna be, you’re gonna00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000
have a big fan. We’re gonna be watching00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:54.000
you, man. We’re gonna be rooting you on,00:41:54.000 –> 00:41:56.000
and, maybe I’ll come out and see you00:41:56.000 –> 00:41:58.000
this on tour. But, hang with me while00:41:58.000 –> 00:41:59.000
I turn this off, but thanks so much00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:00.000
for being on the circumstance.00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
Yeah. Thanks again. Glad we could do it.43 min - Bill DeWitt ||| Talks the Business Behind Baseball – St. Louis Cardinals President
Join us on this episode as we sit down with Bill DeWitt, III, the President of the St. Louis Cardinals since 2008. We delve into his pivotal role in overseeing every aspect of the team and its affiliates, including the visionary development of Ballpark Village. From the excitement surrounding Ohtani’s deal to the complexities of blackout games on television, even robotic umpires, we unravel the business behind baseball. Get ready for an insider’s perspective on the game, its challenges, and the intriguing intersection of sports and business.
Watch the interview HERE!
The Circuit of Success podcast. Welcome to the Circuit of Success. I’m your host Brett Gilliland and today I’ve got Bill DeWitt III with me.
Bill, how you doing? I’m great. Good to be here. Awesome.
Thanks for coming over. I’ve got to give a shout out to Timmy Hanser. Tim is in our firm, visionary wealth advisors, and you guys go way back, right? We go all the way back.
All the way back. Our dads were in high school together here at my CDS. Yep.
And then they went to college together, and we used to do family trips with them. And then of course, you know, his family’s part of the Cardinals as well. So yeah, it goes way back.
That’s awesome. Well, great, great guy. We’re lucky to have him.
And so you are a Yale graduate and a Harvard graduate. That’s pretty impressive. A Scratch golfer.
Maybe. Plus or minus. Plus or minus.
President of St. Louis Cardinals, of course. And also in the St. Louis Sports Commission Board, which we share a mutual board there. I did not go to the Christmas party last night.
Did you go? I did not. I was unable to make it. So we’ll dive in a lot of great stuff today, Bill.
But before we get started, could you kind of just give us a backstory? What’s made you the man you are today? I know that’s a big question, but there’s usually something in there that I like to draw out of people and would love to hear your message. Yeah. I mean, I think for me, starts with family, you know, born and raised in Cincinnati.
My parents are both from St. Louis. They, they were raised here. But in the my dad’s father, my grandfather, was in baseball’s whole life.
And he bounced around. So he was with the Browns, the Cardinals, the Yankees, the Tigers. And then in in various roles, but mainly as general manager and part owners of some of those.
But he also, his big move was to move to Cincinnati in the early 60s. And he bought the rats. So he was the sole owner and general manager.
Wow. And so my family moved there. And then he sold it late 60s.
But my dad, my parents stayed in Cincinnati and raised us there. So when my dad got involved in the Cardinals and led the group that bought it from Anheuser-Busch back in 1996, it was sort of a homecoming for them. Yeah.
But it was a new city for me. Right. So you were held at that time? I was just at a business school here.
And late 20s. And so that’s kind of how I ended up here. But as far as like what made me who I am, that is a big question to start with.
Coming out strong. Yeah. I mean, I just would say it’s where I’m family oriented.
Love being part of the St. Louis community. And I think, you know, for me, this has been such a great platform to just kind of do what I do, which is I like to do a lot of different things. You know, so my role with the Cardinals keeps me very busy and mostly on the business side of things, but obviously occasionally on the baseball side, mostly on the strategic level.
But even with that busy job, I feel like, and I’ve always felt that, you know, to be mentally healthy, I have to also be doing sports and, you know, doing events or things with my kids or my wife or whatever. And then also, I have an artistic side and that which I pursue. And so it’s really about like, I think having my toe in a lot of different waters.
Yeah. That’s sort of what I would say describes my approach to life. So I know there’s no typical day using air quotes there.
But so what is a typical day like for Build-A-Wit? Well, I mean, any given day, I’ll have two or three meetings at least. So that’s sort of you bounce around those, either with staff or with, particularly this time of year, which is our budget season or planning for next year and wrapping up sort of the employee appraisal process where you’re thinking talking about employees and always fun. Yeah.
But we have a great organization and that’s you know, not too hard. And so meetings about various topics, how we’re planning for next year, whether it might be like we’re building a new club in the stadium. So meeting with the construction people on that today.
Meeting with some of my direct reports about how we want to handle, you know, budgeting, capital expenditures in other areas. But you know, it depends on the time of year in terms of what my day to day is. So for example, right now it’s a lot of that stuff planning.
But as you get towards the spring, you know, I’ll spend some time down in Jupiter with some spring training related activities. And then you get through that period and then you’re back to opening day and you’re planning for the whole show, right? And so, and that’s more of a focus on the operational aspect of the business and how we’re putting on the show in terms of the logistics of the game, the ticketing, the game day entertainment. We might be doing some things relative to leasing at ballpark village meetings with that.
Regular meetings on design and planning for maybe a second phase of ballpark village. We, you know, we talk about a lot of, we’re doing a big redo of the Jupiter facility. So there’s a lot of meetings around that.
So, you know, there’s just a lot of different topics. Oh, another big topic right now, I’m meeting a lot with people about is our regional and local cable situation, local TV, media is a big sort of disrupted area of our business. So really trying to understand that, trying to understand really what our market really looks like from a TV standpoint, how it’s evolved, how it’s changed over time.
And, and where we want to go, if in fact we end up having to sort of handle our TV rights if they come back to us, you know, because right now, Bally Sports Midwest, who pays us a rights fee to broadcast our games, is in bankruptcy. So, or their parent company’s metrics. So, that may be something that we have to dive into.
And so we’re doing a lot of planning around that. Is that a good thing? Or, I mean, obviously not a good thing about Bally’s, but to take it back versus I read an article last night, maybe Amazon investing money. Is that what you look at that? I kind of view it as a mixed bag of pluses and minuses.
I think from the purely fan standpoint, it’s actually a plus. And here’s what I mean. Over the last decade and really exacerbating in the last several years, as you know, well, I’ll take the big picture and then dial down.
You know, call it eight years ago, nine years ago, 10 years ago, there were about 120 million households that were subscribing to the bundle, the cable TV bundle. Okay, that was how everybody got their content. That number is now down to about 60 million.
So everybody’s cut the cord, right? And now everybody streams their, you know, ESPN or Disney or Netflix or Amazon Prime, whatever it may be. And they’ve, a lot of people have cut the cord on the bundle. Well, that hasn’t been good for sports teams, or particularly the RSNs that are paying sports teams their rights fees, because, you know, the bundle payments every month that people were paying, you know, a chunk of their little piece of that.
So let’s say you paid $120 for your bundle, usually around $4 to $5 of that was going to charter or to AT&T, Uverse or Comcast or whoever. And then going straight to the regional sports network. So every month, everybody on the bundle was paying that annual fee and it was working its way into the sports ecosystem.
The RSN, the regional sports network would then pay the teams a rights fee and they were the middleman, they would broadcast our games, they’d pick us a big, big annual fee every year and collect those monthly revenue streams, which is good for cash flow for that. It was great for us, for sports teams. And when I say sports teams, really, at all majorly, you know, football, baseball, basketball, hockey.
And that is kind of getting really disrupted. And when I, what’s happened is, is as people have cut the cord, these legacy deals that we’ve had with the RSNs require that we stay on the bundle and don’t actually distribute our games through any other platform, because they wanted exclusivity, which drove people to the bundle. Well, now that people are cutting the cord and now they, and they’re not on the bundle, well, now they don’t have access to the bundle to the extent that we’re still in these long term deals.
So if it breaks apart and we get our rights back, we’re actually going to create a broader distribution platform for our fans. So if you were on like, for example, like Dish, and you got Cardinal games, well, they’ve dropped the regional sports networks, because of all the cord cutting, they could afford it. And now if you’re still on there, you don’t get Cardinal games, for example, or blues games.
And so you’re essentially blacked out. You’re not getting the games. Or if you’ve just cut the cord and don’t have the bundle, there’s no direct to consumer product.
There’s no app, yeah, on which to get the Cardinals and blues games. If this all falls apart, we get our rights back. We would create one of those apps.
So every Cardinal app, I can log into that watching my big TV or my phone. Exactly. Yeah, you would finally have access if you’re not on one of those bundles that still have us like charter.
So from a long winded answer to your question that I think it would be good for consumers and for our fans who will now have a way to access our product if they’ve been cut off. For the teams, it’s like a step back before we get to step forward. So there will be, and we’re already seeing it, it hasn’t quite hit us yet, but we’re planning on it, teams are going to get less than they were promised.
Because if in the old system, they were getting this guaranteed rights fee growing every year, the middleman was this RSN parent company Diamond Sports. They were using their leverage of having all these teams to get distribution everywhere, and it was a big business. They’ve fallen on hard times, they’re in bankruptcy.
And now those rights will come back to teams. They already have, for example, in several of the baseball teams last year. And now the teams have to go out and get their rights fees themselves.
It’s sort of eat what you kill. And because of the way it was all packaged before, they were getting more and they’ll have to, in most cases, take significant step backwards. But I think that there’s a path perhaps over time to get back to where we were and then grow up beyond that with again a better model for consumers.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that. It’s a lot there.
I mean, that’s a talk around us, you know, folks, I still have it. I have the bundle package, so I can get the card on game. And half the reason I do that is for the card on game, right? So it’s, yeah, it’s interesting.
But behaviors are changing so much. I mean, oh, these guys that are in our studio here, they’re probably looking at their screens and getting their content from the device in their pocket as opposed to, so there’s a lot of change in disruption. And we got to understand what those patterns are and do right by our fans and really give them better access.
So I mean, how do you think about speaking of these guys over here? So, you know, when I was a kid, I mean, I remember the days of, you know, I didn’t have a phone as competition to watch and watching all the social media stuff, but I was the goofy guy that was doing the scorebook, right? And doing that watching Cardinal games and all that. I don’t, I don’t see it as much with kids. And I’ve got four boys.
I don’t see it as much with kids sitting down watching a whole game. So how are you planning for that to make sure your product stays relevant for that generation? Yeah, I think it’s a, it’s a big topic, but just I’ll be sort of brief for my answer. Baseball is trying to evolve to that newer pattern.
The biggest change, I think, which was well received was the pitch clock last year. It increased the pace of games. We took, you know, 26 minutes off the average game.
That was a huge move for an industry that hasn’t, you know, innovated very much over the last century. So that was well received. I think the pace of the game is a lot better.
And I think baseball is really in some respects. And I think they should apologize for this. It’s different.
It’s different than hockey, which I love. It’s different than football and basketball in the sense that it’s a summer sport. There are more games than these other sports.
It’s really a conversation. It’s a soundtrack of the summer. And when you go to a game with your kids, you know, it’s about passing along tradition and enjoying a nice lazy day.
Of course, there’s tension and excitement in a game as it builds. But I think that in some ways, it’s a relief and a break from the frenetic move from one little dopamine hit to the next every day and every content thing that people are absorbing. And so I think we need to position ourselves as the anti phones.
Now, yes, we have to be available on every device and people need to be able to see it. But the reality is, kids aren’t going to watch three plus hours of baseball on their device. It just doesn’t, you know, so in the old days, you would, you know, have a cookout and it would be on the radio in the background, right? That’s how you absorbed it.
That’s how you enjoyed the soundtrack. Now, everything’s a little quicker, not quite as slow, but I think baseball can be that way to pause and be almost like this generational story that we keep repeating. And I think if we position it that way, while making changes to the game to give it a better pace, a better cadence, a better version of itself, more balls in play, more lead changes, more hits, less strikeouts.
I think those two things sell what it is against the way the other sports are, but also move towards a little quicker pace. Those two things, I think, will keep us relevant, like it. I’m bouncing around between baseball and just normal life.
For you outside of baseball, obviously, you’ve had a great journey and meant a lot of amazing people, I’m sure, along that journey. Can you share some of those, some of the things that people have stuck out for you that you’ve learned stuff from them that’s really helped mold who you are today? Oh, gosh, yeah. I mean, I would say in the passions that I have on business-wise, I got to throw my dad in there.
Just a great mentor. You know, it kind of, to me, is the model of somebody who can be successful and effective while also being a nice guy and being very compassionate and somebody who cares about people in the organization. And, you know, that’s a great model because, you know, a dictator can also be very effective.
And I’ve seen it, you know, in business and then we all see it in politics sometimes, too, but I’d rather be successful and get to the same place while pulling everybody along. And that’s been my, my business mentor. I would put Mark Lamping in there, too.
He had my job before I did and ran the Cardinals in a little different way, but I took over from him and he was, um, uh, kind of showed me the ropes in terms of how to oversee the business side of things. He’s with the Panthers now? He’s now with the Jacks. Jacks.
Well, Jacks. Yeah. He’s, after the Cardinals, he went and helped the Jets and Giants finish out the, that’s a big stadium, you know, and then did the Jaguars where he is now.
Um, I would say from a, um, a creative standpoint, I had this teacher in high school. His name was Mark Potter. He was a great artist and, and his own right.
Uh, and he was one of these guys who, um, you know, like when you’re a kid in art class, the teacher will like, sort of not touch your painting and be like, Oh, well, maybe you should consider this or look up this artist and get an example of what you might want to, where you want to go with this. This guy would be like, he was the opposite of that. He would come into your, into your, uh, space and be like, get out of here.
Give me this. And he would start painting and working on it and he would take it from, it was like a two. He would take it to like a seven and he’d be like, now you take it from seven to 10.
And it would just be like the funniest thing you would watch and people were like bombed and like, this thing’s a piece of crap and he’d be like, yeah, it is. Let us just like, he made it so fun. And it was like, um, it was an inspiration for me because, um, he also had other talents, but he just had this impulse to be creative and he couldn’t help himself.
And it was contagious. And so that’s kind of stuck with me. That’s interrupt.
I think made me think of leadership. Sometimes, you know, you have a young man or woman working and, and get a pull them with you. You can see in them what they may not see in themselves yet.
So I don’t know why my mind went there, but maybe did that also help you see bigger than what you could see before, right? Yeah, for sure. I mean, um, well, it’s inspiring when you’re, you’re stuck on a problem and somebody just, you know, they can fix it and they do that and you’re just kind of like, wow. Um, and then, uh, so that, that was sort of a mentor on the creative side.
Um, I mean, on the athletic side, I would say, you know, various coaches along the way have meant a lot to me. Um, and you know, people that just have that passion for sports that rubs off. And again, that’s what carries you sometimes because, you know, sports can be frustrating, business can be frustrating.
But when you meet somebody along your journey who is like embraces that, embraces the, the struggle and works, figures out a way to get through it. Yeah. Um, those are kind of the mentors that stick with you and keep you going and keep you, you know, motivated to keep doing what you’re doing.
Who was that person? If there is any that was maybe gave you tough love. You didn’t like it in the moment. Uh, but you look back, you know, I got hit in my back.
Yeah. Uh, I think back to high school when, um, uh, you know, I was, I guess early in freshman or something year, I was just not writing well. I was like a struggle for me.
And, uh, I had a teacher that was just crushing me on the grades, but it would be like, I’d get the paperback and it was just marked up. There’d be paragraphs of how you should have moved it over to this topic or moved it on. And then kind of by the end of it, it’s really similar to that, that artistic example I gave.
Um, and I grinded through it. Um, and just the guy worked with me on it. And it, you know, if a teacher like invests that time in you, it’s so motivating because you don’t want to let the person down.
Right. And by the end of sophomore year, I was in honors English. And that was like truly attributable to that one teacher who basically saw something in me.
And, you know, just was like, no, you’re going to get better at this, you know, and brought me along. Yeah. When the teacher was, what’s the old saying? The teacher appears when the student is ready.
Yeah. You were ready. Oh, yeah.
I think I was. So, um, how do you stay a student speaking of being a student? How do you stay a student of the game now with your role today with the Cardinals and all the other stuff you’ve got going in your world? Um, because you didn’t, you know, you didn’t go to construction school and you didn’t do this. You didn’t do that, but you got to put a lot of pieces of the puzzle together.
So how are you stating a student in the game? Yeah, I would say, um, um, probably from a baseball oversight standpoint, it’s pretty easy because, you know, it’s something that people just gravitate to as, as an interest. And then so like, you know, you have highlights, you have your, um, ESPN, whatever it may be where you get your sports information. I get it just like, you guys do.
Um, there might be some additional, um, information while there’s a mountain of information internally to the Cardinals about people. But at the end of the day, it’s just fine tuning. I mean, we all know that Otani is the best player, right? It’s, but, but it’s how much better is he than the next best guy on a very, and then how do you translate that, that ability and that talent into sort of a, uh, a money dollars and cents equation that becomes critical for how we determine, you know, what to pay a player or how to manage the roster and the payroll with limited resources.
So, um, I would say that I’m just like any fan. I get my information from the same sources. I watch games, I have fun watching them.
I’m a fan when they’re happening. And then when it comes down to making decisions, you kind of just, um, you work all that additional information to fine tune the decision-making, understanding the system of how MLB works and then, and then how an individual team works as well. And that’s really what I think is interesting to people when I have conversations with them is like, there’s that another level of understanding how decision-making occurs.
Um, and it’s hard to like, and that’s why these are fun, long form formats, which I enjoy because when you just read an article of, let’s say a sports writer bashing us for being cheap or this or that, it’s just such a lazy way of, um, of criticizing. Like we deserve criticism, but what, but when, when the writer in many situations, but when a writer just takes the easy way out and just says, you’re cheap, you stink. That’s it.
You just, it’s so blatantly obvious that they just haven’t on their homework. They don’t understand the decisions we’re facing, the budget limitations, and where, um, where the real challenges are in, in constructing rosters. And so when, when you do kind of open up the hood a little bit with people and bring them in and show them like, you know, not the proprietary player data, for example, but just the, the way in which you have to think long term versus short term, because we’re in it for the long term, but you also want to win, you know, this year.
Um, that’s when you really get, I think, interesting feedback from people. And the good thing about cardinal spans is they’re very informed. So for the most part, yes, there’s internet trolls and, you know, lazy armchair quarterbacking, but I think the majority of fans like kind of get it that we are in a economic system.
We only have so many resources. We’re doing our best to win next year, but also set ourselves up for future years. And that, that those, those sort of decisions require trade offs.
And when they understand those trade offs, typically their criticism when well informed is well taken. So you mentioned his name, so I’m going to bring it up, but Otani, so you think of that contract, what two million a year for 10 years and then 68 million from 11 through 20. So I look at it as the armchair quarterback is if that’s great.
And again, I don’t understand how it all works in baseball, but if he’s only going to get paid two million, I look at it and say, Oh, okay, that’s going to help me from the Dodgers sign more players for the next 10 years. I don’t know if that’s right or wrong, but now if I’m the Dodgers fan 11 years from now, and I saw it was 68 million, there’s basically $85 million as their payroll in 11 years from now with Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts and Otani. So I already know as a fan, if I was a Dodgers fan, $85 million in 11 years.
So how do you look at that, what you can or want to share as a business guy, I look at that and scratch my head and like, I don’t like that deal. Yeah. Look, what can you share about that? The way I think about that deal, and I don’t know if this is how the Dodgers are thinking about it because I’m not in their head, but if the way I look at it is it’s actually not deferring it.
Whatever their obligations are from year 11 and beyond, we’ll already have been thought through and dealt with in my view. What I would do if I were them is I would put whatever the present value number of that obligation is aside this year. So like if he’s getting, you know, 70 million or 68 million in year 11, what does that mean for this year? If you bring it back, it probably means something like 45 million.
I mean, just doing raw numbers. And so I would put cash in the bank at 45 million so that it generates the interest or return depending on how they process their their asset accounts and manage their money, which by the way, Gunga and that’s what they do. Yeah.
So I suspect that there’s probably something along those lines in there. And that’ll grow to pay the 69 or 68 number in that 11th year and do the same thing in year two and year three. So by the end of that 10th year, you really don’t have a liability or an obligation.
That’s how I would you would or treat it myself. Now if they’ve got some magic trick up their sleeve about, you know, some giant payday that they have coming in 11 years, I mean, who knows? Maybe there’s a TV or $3 billion that I don’t know about. Yeah, we’ll carve off 680 million.
So if you kind of look at it from a present value standpoint, it’s really like a, I don’t know, $450 million type of contract if they take those steps to play with the time value of money and the high interest rates don’t hurt right now for it. Right. And I think that was part of it.
Yeah. I’m sure that was the the angel that the agent probably wanted that seven handle in front of the number. And how are we going to get there? That’s too much.
We can’t afford that, but we can afford whatever for something. Okay. Well, you can get your seven handle and I can get my actual 400 something if we play this game and he gets the headline and we get the player.
Yeah. And I think too, one of these smart young men over here said something about, they heard that, and this is all here. So who knows, but do you think of it this way? Is it, oh, Tani now gets $2 million a year and with California tax that 11th year, he can move to wherever Florida and not pay taxes as much.
Right. There could be a tax play for him, which again, is one of those things that can help bridge a gap. Right.
If the tax play for the player makes the deal more valuable to him, okay, great. Yeah. You know, that’s one element that you factor in to try to reach agreement on a deal between the bid and the ask.
Yeah. So now switching back kind of the business and baseball since that’s your world, but your philosophy when you look at talent. So a lot of business leaders listen to this podcast.
So when they’re listening to it right now, what’s your philosophy when hiring and looking for talent? And I’m not talking like a baseball player. I mean, meaning like, you know, the business side. Yeah.
Well, we’re going through that right now with the, you know, one of our VP positions. And I would say that, you know, for us, it depends on the role, right? But you want somebody who’s an expert in the field. You want somebody who is hopefully passionate about the Cardinals and baseball, because I think that’s just like a really base element of what makes our organization, you know, exciting to work for is everybody’s pulling in the same direction.
They’re all Cardinal fans. We all celebrate when the team does well. And so having that element, I think it’s important.
I think that it doesn’t necessarily always need to be perfectly relevant baseball experience, obviously, depending on position. Like, for example, if we need a new CFO, for example, there will be probably 90% of what that person needs to bring to the table would be, you know, the education and the experience and the knowledge of what any CFO job would require. And then 10% would be probably really specific to the baseball industry.
And that’s what, you know, might lead to down the path of seeing if somebody already has, you know, that experience in the game or in another sport or something like that. Those are just a couple examples.
And this, he’s our CFO now, has done it for many, many years. He was back in the A.B. days as well. We tend to enjoy sort of a little bit of a good cop-bad, cop routine with our employees, you know? And that’s an example of where slightly different styles, I think, help and can work when you’re working with employees and budgeting and doing all that stuff.
Now, when you’re talking about, let’s say, a different aspect of the business, like, let’s say, game day entertainment, you know, running the show, putting on 81 days a year and concerts and things like that. Now, that’s somebody who you’re going to want to have that enthusiasm, that excitement that comes to work every day, and has a passion for seeing a smile on a fan’s face, who has a good knowledge of history and might have a good sense of humor. So I think it’s really, I think it’s role dependent in terms of those things I would look for in an important hire.
But the baseline, I guess, requirement for me is that they buy into the excitement and cardinal fan and rowing in that same direction, and too, that they’re going to thrive in sort of a family environment situation where expectations are high. But it’s not going to be like, you know, Machiavellian in the culture. Speaking of concerts, I went to the Lute Combs and the Morgan Wallen concert this year at Bush.
They were phenomenal. I’m always like, that’s a ton of work. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Those are big deals for us because Billy Finlay over here, I’m sure he loves that. He’s, yeah, we need to get him off suicide watch when we add new concerts to the mix.
But now he does well, and he gets it, right? I mean, a concert will risk making the field look a little shoddy after the fact, which, you know, things his pride a little bit. But he totally gets it. So we appreciate his patience when we do those.
But you’re right, when 81 days a year, we pretty much kind of have our pattern down and our routine and our, it’s not that isn’t a ton of work. But when you do a concert, it’s really kind of different. You know, you have different graphics.
A whole new, sometimes Usher crew, you have the whole load-in and, you know, technology and production crew that sort of takes over the place. And that creates the need for a ton of collaboration between our special events group, who puts on these concerts for us, and manages the talent and the relationship with the company that’s putting on the concert and the talent’s crew, and our stadium operations team, who are, you know, there to help with all the logistics, all the operational challenges that something like that entails. I like it.
They rent that from here or there’s revenue share? You can have different economic arrangements. We’ve taken some, you can take more risk or less risk. I mean, a Cardinals or if you’re the at.
The Cardinals. Yeah. The act itself usually gets a guarantee.
And then the live nation or the, or the group that’s promoting and running the overall tour, that group will look to the team and the venue to either get a guaranteed rent, which is one number, or maybe the team wants to take a little bit of risk in the hopes of getting a bigger number, thereby reducing the risk of the promoter. Yes, reward. Daily habits for Bill, Dewitt, and the third.
If I were to follow you around, or Jeff over here, or is to follow you around that camera, what’s you going to see day in, day out that has no mishabits for you? Yeah. The thing that I’ve been doing for about six years now is a morning stretch routine that takes about only 15, 20 minutes. It’s really helped me.
And what it is, I just, I don’t, it’s something I commit to. I just, I got to do it. So I build in that 10 minutes.
Whether you want to, I’m in a rush. I’ll make it 10. If it’s lazy a little bit, I’ll make it 20.
And I feel like it just gets me moving, gets my body moving. It’s more of an activation thing to get out of bed. And then more recently, and I do, I still play hockey.
I still play men’s hockey. So I love that. I hope I can keep going.
Usually about twice a week with the Blues alumni. And that’s just like something I commit to. It’s an early skate.
So I’m back in the office by 9.30 and just love it. I’ve always been a hockey player. And then checking in these games? No checking.
Thank God. I still wouldn’t be doing it in any case. Occasionally you’ll have some incidental class or that.
But, and then I guess in the last few years, I’ve added sort of a lifting small cardio type of 30, 45 minutes is about three days a week. So I’ve found that that helps me keep up this lifestyle and routine that I have with other afflictions like golf and hockey. You tried, have you seen a golf forever training device? I haven’t.
No. Check it out, golfforever.com. I’m not getting paid to say that, but I like it. Because I’m aging.
It’s, one of those things is get a resistant band and some golf, the golf grips, and just different exercises you do to stay fit. But stay strong core for the golf game. Yeah, I’ll have to check that out.
Yeah. So I’m going to say two words. I’m anxious to see what comes to mind for you.
Game seven. Game seven. I thought you would have said game six.
Oh, sorry. Gosh, dang it. I even wrote down in my wrong, my notes.
You are speaking. You are right. That’s right.
That’s right. I have a game six and a game seven. How’s that? So game six was that crazy game in 2011.
And my story on that is very personal because it has to do with my son, Will. And of course, you know, you’re just a ball of tension on the morning of the World Series game when you’re in the management side of things. And you want it to go well, you know, and there’s all these logistics and MLB comes in and their whole team is here because it’s kind of their asset is the postseason.
But then your group has to put it on. It’s like this collaborative thing. And there’s a lot of work and you’re doing it sort of overtime stuff.
But you’re also just like when the game finally starts, you’re just like, please win. Well, game six was I was up in the suite. I was moving around a lot, but I ended up in the suite the second after the game.
My son was there. He was like, he was like nine or 10 at the time. And we had the Hall of Famers there and a bunch of people in and out of the suite and Lou Brock was staying kind of throughout the rest of the game.
And for some reason, like, we had a big moment middle of the game and Lou and my son like did a big high five and I was cute. And I was like, oh, that’s a cool memory. And then, you know, the game started to flip back and forth and, you know, the Rangers hit that home run and we’re just like, oh, so deflated.
And then my son started crying, especially after the extra inning home by Josh Hamilton. Because that was it. Like it was over after that.
We fought, we battled back and forth. We staved off elimination. And then it was like, okay, now we’re done.
And so we’ll start crying and Lou goes, well, come on. They’ve come back before. They’re going to do it again.
And you could tell Lou didn’t mean it. Come on. We just like this little kid crying.
Like you got a lift of spirits and Will was like, okay, thanks. Well, lo and behold, we did come back again. The freeze triple and then the freeze homer and the actual pure celebration of both of those two, you know, the 10 year old boy and the, you know, whatever he was, 75 year old, Lou Hall of Famers were equally as excited as excited in that moment.
And that like just for me was symbolized what it meant for everybody in Cardinals nation from a little kid to a Hall of Famers who had had those moments himself. I mean, he batted like 350 in the World Series, but yet he was a kid in that moment. And so then game seven comes around and I’ve never been so nervous watching something in my life because what happened the night before was so dramatic, was so outlandish.
And was so great for our fans. But you lose that game and it kind of becomes a footnote, history. Like you got a win game seven.
And for the first time in my 10 year as being part of the organization, they were like two or three moments where I literally couldn’t watch. I got up and I just started walking around the concourse. And because I was just so nervous, I just couldn’t handle it.
I can’t do this. Yeah, I just, I couldn’t do it. And anyway, that was short lived and we ended up winning that game and it was pretty surreal.
It was kind of dreamlike when you’re about to win a game seven and you want to celebrate and get super excited. But then all of a sudden this, this weight of like, oh shit, I got to be like on my game. Like I like, there’s this whole script that needs to play out.
And I need to be a part of that. Like, where am I, where’s my family going to go? Are they going to do I need to go tell the security guy to let them on the field? Or I got to, I’m going to do the celebration. Then we’ve got all these owner partners who might want to be part of it.
And I got to like, just, you know, there’s a, there’s an on field thing where the commissioner’s up there handing the trophy. Who’s going to be on the stage? I got to get my dad, where he was in downstairs. I was up there like Mo.
Where is he? He was in the press. It was like all of a sudden, like I was able to enjoy it for about five minutes. And then I just sort of had to get my game face on and pause the celebration.
And then like, finally, I think we did all that on field stuff and, and photos and all this crazy stuff. And then I was able to like, when all the media died down in the champagne and all that, I was, I was finally like, did this big exhale, had a beer and I was just like, oh my God, this is great. It’s the greatest beer ever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s just a great beer. Yeah, because you think, I mean, it’s not like a direct route from the suite down to the, you know, the dugout and all that stuff, right? So you got to get through the people for a little bit or maybe get the elevator, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, it just, it was a logistical thing in your head just spinning on who’s, who do you have to coordinate what’s up and, but that’s, those are great problems to have. Great problem. If we want more of those problems, the nice thing is, so my wife and I were married October 27, 2001.
You guys won it in 2006 on our five year anniversary and on October 27. And then game six was October, and it was supposed to be game seven, right? But there was a rain out, right? And it pushed everything back. Which helped us.
It did get a little pitching for game seven. So October 26 games, game six, we were there for that when my dad and her dad and then we’re back the next night. So that was a long couple days.
It was, you know, these long playoff runs in October, I’m really hoping to have one again soon. Yeah, they’re, they can be a beat up on fans too. Oh, yeah.
Because, you know, it’s tough on the liver. Well, it can’t be that too. And so that’s, that’s why they don’t happen every year, I guess.
But when they do you, it’s so worth it. When you look back at, of all the memories of the St. Louis Cardinals, what, what’s some of your biggest memories? I mean, obviously what you just shared. But any other memories that you’d want to share that you think are important to you or important to your family? Yeah, I mean, I would say that the, the 06 win was so unexpected as well.
We had been knocking on the door for a long period of time. We’d incredible teams. Like the 2014 was so special on 105 teams, I think.
And, you know, got swept in Boston, which was very disappointing. And to have such a great season end on such a down note was like, God, are we ever going to break through? You know, we, we had the best team. Yeah.
And what happened in 06, and then 05 was, was a good year, but then 06 happens and we’re not the only three wins season. Yeah, yeah, 83 wins. We had 83 wins.
Yeah. But what happened is, we had all these injuries and, and then, but what would happen is in, is in September, you realized, like, when we were in the end of the season, these guys came back from injury, we’ve got this 04 team on the field right now. They’re fresh.
Edmonds was back healthy. Poo Holes, Roland, I mean, and they were fresh. And they, um, Carpenter was back healthy, you know.
Weino was closing out games as a rookie or maybe had had a cup of coffee or whatever. But Izzy was hurt. So that was like a problem.
But here comes Weino. Who is this guy? So that was like, not just great because they defied expectations and ran the table in October. But I feel like it was the culmination of having knocked on the door many, many times for that with even better teams that didn’t quite get it done in October.
And so it felt almost like a relief to see my dad finally hold that trophy after really a lifetime of aspiring to that. That was what was special to me. Yeah, that was how were you and your dad feeling in New York when it’s game seven and Cardinal killer Carlos Beltran’s up to bat with two men on.
I was about to puke. Honestly, I really couldn’t. And there was no look in a way.
You were right there and I was right there. And I was just like, I just wanted to crawl into a hole. Like I was just like, God, no, please, you know, just something good happened.
And, uh, and Uncle Charlie was born. Oh man. That was, that was a moment.
That was incredible. Let’s talk about gambling. That’s always a fun topic, isn’t it? So State of Missouri does not have gambling.
How does that play into for the St. Louis Cardinals? Your guys’ thoughts on that? It’s obviously getting big whether we like it or don’t like it. It’s getting big in the world we live in today. So how is that going to play out if this assumes Missouri gets it? How’s that going to play out for you guys? Well, we’ve been very active in trying to get it legalized.
And the reason is, well, I’ll give you two reasons. One with my Cardinal hat on and one with my Missouri citizen hat. I’ll start with a Missouri citizen.
So we have it. It’s legal in all of our surrounding states. Okay.
So people are driving across the borders and across those rivers on either side Casey and St. Louis and they’re placing bats legally in these other states. So it’s happening. Okay.
Not unlike the marijuana issue where it’s happening illegally and unregulated and no tax revenue. Why don’t we legalize it, control it, regulate it, and collect the tax revenues. And decriminalize.
Similar to this sports betting is it’s happening. And when people do it in Missouri, who knows who they’re placing bats with on it. I mean, it’s like rushing offshore accounts and God knows what, right? It’s unregulated and unenforced because of the lack of stigma anymore.
It’s everywhere else. Nobody’s going to go crack down hard on somebody’s online bookie in Missouri. It’s not happening.
So that tax revenues literally just were forgoing it in Missouri. So all these renegade offshore, whoever can collect it. And so from that standpoint, I think it’s silly that we’re not taxing, regulating it and legalizing it.
From a cardinal standpoint, and we’ve been very active in pulling together all the pro sports team in Missouri to be on the same page to lobby for this, it benefits us in a couple ways. The first way is that we think it opens up our sports fan interest to a younger audience, a younger demo. It creates a different kind of engagement and pretty intense engagement.
When you put a hundred bucks on a game, you’re dialed in, right? Or if you’re on some sort of trifecta or whatever and you’ve got this player and that player, you’re watching that game and then you’re flipping over to the other game to see how your guy’s doing. Like, you know, and there’s an element of that that is fun. I mean, let’s face it.
It can be problematic. Obviously, people can get addicted to this. And that’s why in our lobbying, we want to make sure that there’s a robust fun for problem gaming.
Obviously. But we think that it creates this engagement from the younger demo, particularly in light of our previous conversation about how viewing habits have changed and how it might be hard for the intergeneration to sit down and watch a 3R game online or whatever. This creates that excitement and that factor that I think creates interest in our sport.
The second thing that I think is in it for the Cardinals, and I’ve been pretty transparent about this because I don’t think we should be, you know, hiding our interests because we’re out there lobbying. It’s a taxpayer decision. So is that it opens up a huge sponsorship category for us.
So when it’s legal, the sports betting operators are going to want to reach our fans, right? And how they’re going to reach our fans? Well, they’re going to come to us and say, Hey, I need a sign on the outfield wall. I’d like to be on your radio broadcasts. I’d like to be the official online partner of the Cardinals.
Okay. Well, that opens up a real nice revenue stream for us that our competition is already getting. Right.
Okay. So, you know, for those who are on the side of spend more guys, we got to keep up with the Joneses. Well, there’s a way for that to happen.
Yeah. I mean, look with our friends at North, the white and blue team. I don’t want to mention.
Absolutely. And they got that thing in the outfield that I understand is they’re going to share revenue, right? On the gambling and the food and the food. They’re, they’re gaming revenue.
And I’m sort of guessing because I don’t see their books. Sure. But it’s probably in the 15 to 25 range.
That’s a star player. It’s a star player. It’s a star player.
Okay. So let’s not hide from that reality. That’s part of what it is.
And as you know, we pretty much the money is on the field. And to the extent we can drive additional revenue, you know, it’s going to go into payroll. And so that’s what is also in it for the Cardinals.
And then I would say sort of the final thing is just, you know, having something perhaps in ballpark village that would be an interesting and exciting. New aspect of it, you know, perhaps like a sports book type of thing, which I think could inject some, some energy down there in those slower times. Yeah.
What are we going to do to fix downtown? Well, you know, we’re doing our best. You know, we’re continuing to invest in ballpark village. We had a really good retail leasing year this year with some new big tenants that came in like Katie’s pizza.
Yeah. Yeah, it’s exciting. We, we’d like to do another phase.
The residential tower has done very well. I think we could do another one. The challenge there is that if we just wanted to build the exact same building today, it would cost about 30% more.
And interest rates would be instead of 4%, they’re going to be six plus, right, or more on something like that. So you have two things working against you to try to replicate what we’ve done there, which has been great. Having said that, you know, there might be a couple of tweaks that we could work with the city and the state on with our infrastructure subsidy package that has basically helped prep the sites for these things on ballpark village.
That would get us to the finish line on on additional phase, phase three. So, you know, I’m remaining cautiously optimistic that we can keep pushing and, you know, we’re not going anywhere. We’re, you can’t pick up a stadium and a ballpark village and move a declarant like some people do with their businesses.
And then I remain very active on a bunch of different things downtown, like with the police foundation and with our community improvement district and with the other business leaders who are, you know, the steeples and the blues and the soccer and the march and the law firms and the investment firms who are downtown to make sure that we do everything we can to supplement what the city can do and what the police can do to make things safer. So we have a lot of things going on that and very active to try to make sure that people feel safe coming down there. And I think we are in a better place than we were a couple years ago.
No question about it. We just need for the traffic and the activity to return. And hopefully people hearing this will realize that that it really comes down to them.
I mean, what makes, what’s going to make downtown work is, is volume and traffic and interest in events and people coming down and come down to Katie’s Pizza and have your date night down there instead of out and wherever. Yep. Because it makes a difference.
Yeah. And I really try to be on my soapbox about that because you’ve got to have a little bit of sense of pride, I think, to make that commitment. If your patterns are just to be, you know, stay in your own little zone and we’re here Metro East, which is great.
You could probably, you know, live your whole life right around a five mile radius right here. And the same thing out West. Let’s all commit to adding downtown is something that’s important to the region.
That’s right. Well, we did our Christmas party at the Hall of Fame Museum this year. Oh, cool.
It was phenomenal. It was so cool. It was a great spot.
So for those listening you to place, he’s not paying me to say that. Go there. Last question for you.
I think it’s a cool story. It may be hopefully it’s my last question. Eddie Goodell, wearing your dad’s uniform.
Tell that story. It’s so funny because growing up, we didn’t really realize that this story would sort of come back around in terms of what, you know, we ended up doing with baseball. But when my dad was a kid, his dad was the general manager of the St. Louis Browns.
He’d worked his way up. He came into the league as an assistant to branch Ricky. He would just run errands for him.
And he’s, and Mr. Ricky really liked what he did. And so he kind of mentored him in his baseball career. And he got all the way to become general manager of the Browns.
And of course Bill Vek was the owner at that time and had this crazy idea. Well, if we get somebody short enough, you know, the pitcher, the strike zone definition would make it impossible. We’ll get four balls all day long and get an automatic block.
And so on the second day of a double header, or the second game of double header, Vek brings out Goodell and he hides him in this giant birthday cake. And he pops out of this thing. And I mean, the guy was a really, he had all these zany ideas and he went through with them all.
That’s what was crazy about it. And of course the Browns were always losing. And he had a little more latitude with that than if say he was with the Yankees or something.
But so he had everything figured out. He had a contract for him because he knew the amps would check on that. He had, you know, had prepped the manager and he had the lineup card line made out with 1-8.
You know, so he had a few people that knew about this. But kind of at the last minute, he’s like, oh God, I forgot about the uniform because we’re not going to have one that fits. And then he realized that my grandfather used to order extra uniforms for my dad and his two sisters, little mini versions.
Because in those days, you didn’t have a team store that had authentic uniforms in different sizes. It was what the players wore and that was it. And then, you know, you might have a t-shirt or a hat in the store, but that was about it.
So they said, hey, Billy, my dad, we need your uniform. He used to go out and play pepper with the players back then and shag balls during batting practice. He’s like, okay, so they grabbed it off him.
They took off his number six, which was his favorite number. Because Stan was his favorite player, I think, although that was pre-Stan, no. So he evolved into that being his favorite number and put on 1-8.
And then that was the uniform that Eddie used in his one at bat. Walked on four pitches and kind of the rest is history, that great picture of him, you know, taking the ball. And he had this little mini bat.
And my dad remembers it was like kind of a weird situation where there was like commotion or whatever. And there was that little toy bat. And he think he remembers seeing that because it was so unusual to see a player batting with such a mini bat.
And then he got the uniform back. It really didn’t think anything of it. My aunt Dee Dee, who was smaller in stature, used to wear it for Halloween.
She would go out to Halloween parties in this uniform and tell the story and people got a kick out of that. And then kind of as memorabilia started becoming a big thing. And finally somebody said, hey, where’s that uniform? And we said, well, we still have it.
It’s in my parents’ attic and mothballs. And we were like, oh, maybe this thing is worth a lot. And we ended up loaning it.
He ended up loaning it to the Hall of Fame where they used it for the VEC exhibit when he got into the Hall of Fame. They had that for many years. And now it’s in the Cardinals Hall of Fame.
Who saw it the other night? Yeah. It’s a great story. So awesome.
I said it was my last question. But can we talk 2024 at all? Sure. Any thoughts, any words you have for our listeners right now? I’m not going to name anybody’s names.
We’re on our wish list. But what can you tell us about the St. Louis Cardinals for 2024? Well, I think there’s a lot of optimism because we have a really good everyday club. And anchored by, you know, obviously Goldie and Arunato at the Corners.
We have some up and coming players like Jordan Walker and Edmond and Maize and Win could really be dynamited short. And so I think it’s a nice mix. If the improvement is there on these younger players that you would expect because they’re on their way up.
And if Goldie and Arunato can keep doing what they’re doing, our everyday club should be fine. It should be actually really good. Play-off caliber.
On the pitching front, you know, when you look at last year, there were a ton of like, for example, in the first half, a ton of blown saves. And the bullpen, even though on paper, you know, pretty good, it was fine. I mean, we ended up getting a lot of value for some of these guys that we traded at the deadline.
But they weren’t having great years. And there were these moments in time they were like, really, that just really happened. I don’t think that’s going to repeat.
I think we’ll do better. I think we’ll save games better next year. We have three guys now that we acquired this offseason in Lancelin, our old friend.
Kyle Gibson and of course our headliner, Sonny Gray. All these guys are going to give you a lot of innings. And partly what stressed out the bullpen and caused some of these collapses last year was these, our starters weren’t going very deep.
So even if you get, let’s say, somebody to go seven and give up four runs, that’s really giving you a chance to win a team.
1 hr 6 min - Cardinals Broadcaster and Former Pitcher Brad Thompson: From Mound to Mic
Dive into the fascinating world of professional baseball and sports talk radio with our latest episode featuring Brad Thompson. From dreams of playing in the big leagues in Las Vegas to winning the World Series with the St. Louis Cardinals in 2006. As a former St. Louis Cardinals player turned broadcaster, Brad unfolds his inspiring transition from the baseball diamond to the airwaves. Brett and Brad talk about 2024 season predictions and some of the favorites in Major League Baseball. Tune in for an insightful conversation blending baseball, MLB insights, and the business of sports. ⚾? Don’t miss this episode of The Circuit of Success!
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I’ve got my buddy, Brad Thompson.00:00:19.000 –> 00:00:20.000
What’s up, Brad? How are you doing? I’m00:00:20.000 –> 00:00:21.000
doing great, man. Thanks for having me. I00:00:21.000 –> 00:00:23.000
was getting bored at the house. I’m glad00:00:23.000 –> 00:00:25.000
somebody called finally. Well, yeah. You’re doing radio00:00:25.000 –> 00:00:27.000
now, what? Part time. Is that right? Yeah.00:00:27.000 –> 00:00:29.000
Filling in a little bit. It’s it’s been00:00:29.000 –> 00:00:30.000
a change for me. It’s been, as you00:00:30.000 –> 00:00:33.000
know, I was doing drive time radio,00:00:33.000 –> 00:00:35.000
on one of 1PM on the fast lane00:00:35.000 –> 00:00:36.000
for, like, last ten years.00:00:37.000 –> 00:00:39.000
This past year doing more baseball games, with00:00:39.000 –> 00:00:42.000
the cardinals, which Brad a blast doing. Season00:00:42.000 –> 00:00:44.000
didn’t go exactly I had a lot of00:00:44.000 –> 00:00:45.000
fun doing the games. I’m sure we’ll get00:00:45.000 –> 00:00:46.000
into that, but,00:00:47.000 –> 00:00:49.000
I scaled back my work on that side.00:00:49.000 –> 00:00:50.000
So now I’m not doing that every day,00:00:50.000 –> 00:00:53.000
and I’m, I’m reintroducing myself of the family00:00:53.000 –> 00:00:55.000
in the off season. My dog’s not barking00:00:55.000 –> 00:00:56.000
at me now, so that’s good. Who the00:00:56.000 –> 00:00:58.000
hell? I’m just gonna change. Yeah. It’s a00:00:58.000 –> 00:00:59.000
big change. It is a big change, man.00:00:59.000 –> 00:01:01.000
Well, You are a blast, as I’ve told00:01:01.000 –> 00:01:03.000
you a million times to watch on, the00:01:03.000 –> 00:01:05.000
television. I think you do a great job00:01:05.000 –> 00:01:07.000
with the games. And even despite the season00:01:07.000 –> 00:01:08.000
we Brad, It was, that’s gotta be tough,00:01:08.000 –> 00:01:10.000
which I’m gonna ask that later. But, for00:01:10.000 –> 00:01:12.000
those that don’t know you, two thousand six00:01:12.000 –> 00:01:15.000
world series champ ESPN Radio, as you mentioned,00:01:15.000 –> 00:01:17.000
announcer for the Saint Louis cardinals.00:01:17.000 –> 00:01:19.000
Just an all around great guy, but just00:01:19.000 –> 00:01:20.000
give us a little bit of lay of00:01:20.000 –> 00:01:22.000
the background of people that, again, that maybe00:01:22.000 –> 00:01:24.000
not know who you are. What’s made you00:01:24.000 –> 00:01:26.000
the man you are today? Yeah. Well, look,00:01:26.000 –> 00:01:27.000
I I I never00:01:28.000 –> 00:01:28.000
expected00:01:28.000 –> 00:01:31.000
or intended to be where I am right00:01:31.000 –> 00:01:34.000
now. In o’fallon, Illinois live here.00:01:35.000 –> 00:01:37.000
In the media at all that was never00:01:37.000 –> 00:01:39.000
a thought. I just saw it was a00:01:39.000 –> 00:01:41.000
kid who grew up in Las Vegas, Nevada,00:01:41.000 –> 00:01:43.000
and, I just love playing baseball.00:01:43.000 –> 00:01:44.000
And,00:01:44.000 –> 00:01:44.000
it’s00:01:45.000 –> 00:01:46.000
you generally hear00:01:47.000 –> 00:01:48.000
people’s story of how they made it to00:01:48.000 –> 00:01:50.000
the big leagues, and it’s oftentimes the same00:01:50.000 –> 00:01:52.000
story. It’s like, oh, he’s the best player00:01:52.000 –> 00:01:54.000
on this team, the best player on his00:01:54.000 –> 00:01:56.000
high school team, two way player hit home00:01:56.000 –> 00:01:59.000
runs, played shortstop. That is not my story,00:01:59.000 –> 00:02:01.000
like, at all. I don’t think I was00:02:01.000 –> 00:02:02.000
ever the best player on any team that00:02:02.000 –> 00:02:04.000
I played on, and I’m not talking about00:02:04.000 –> 00:02:06.000
any big league teams, like Albert Pujols and00:02:06.000 –> 00:02:08.000
all these guys running around. I’m talking about,00:02:08.000 –> 00:02:10.000
like, Timmy that picks his boogers wasn’t even00:02:10.000 –> 00:02:12.000
the best player on on that team growing00:02:12.000 –> 00:02:13.000
up, but I always loved it. And I00:02:13.000 –> 00:02:16.000
always, worked hard, and I was just always00:02:16.000 –> 00:02:18.000
there. Like, you know, I and think that’s00:02:18.000 –> 00:02:20.000
one of the the biggest things whenever I00:02:20.000 –> 00:02:21.000
have an opportunity to talk to kids. You00:02:21.000 –> 00:02:22.000
don’t have to be the best player on00:02:22.000 –> 00:02:23.000
the team. You don’t have to have the00:02:23.000 –> 00:02:26.000
best skill set You have to care. You00:02:26.000 –> 00:02:27.000
have to want to get better and you00:02:27.000 –> 00:02:28.000
have to work. And if you do those00:02:28.000 –> 00:02:30.000
things, opportunities might come. And that was the00:02:30.000 –> 00:02:31.000
case for me. Out of high school, I00:02:31.000 –> 00:02:32.000
got an opportunity00:02:33.000 –> 00:02:35.000
right before school was about to start to00:02:35.000 –> 00:02:38.000
go to a smaller junior college in Utah,00:02:39.000 –> 00:02:41.000
at the time, Dixie State College,00:02:41.000 –> 00:02:43.000
now Utah Tech d one school now, but00:02:43.000 –> 00:02:46.000
a junior college back in the day. And,00:02:46.000 –> 00:02:48.000
snuck on there did well,00:02:49.000 –> 00:02:51.000
after my second year there ended up getting00:02:51.000 –> 00:02:53.000
drafted by the cardinals, and it was just00:02:53.000 –> 00:02:54.000
a kind of a a whirlwind. Spent two00:02:54.000 –> 00:02:56.000
years in the minor leagues.00:02:56.000 –> 00:02:58.000
And a month into my third year, a00:02:58.000 –> 00:03:00.000
guy called up to the big leagues and00:03:01.000 –> 00:03:02.000
made a career out of it. And it00:03:02.000 –> 00:03:04.000
wasn’t the easiest. I I’m well traveled, Brett.00:03:04.000 –> 00:03:05.000
You know that. I know I know the00:03:05.000 –> 00:03:07.000
way from Saint Louis to Memphis really well.00:03:07.000 –> 00:03:09.000
Big leagues to triple a. The ups and00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:12.000
downs of have been incredibly blessed though to00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:14.000
be able to to play the game that00:03:14.000 –> 00:03:16.000
I love and do it as a living00:03:16.000 –> 00:03:18.000
and now jump into this, which again, wasn’t00:03:18.000 –> 00:03:20.000
unexpected. Yeah. I think I owe you a00:03:20.000 –> 00:03:22.000
couple lunches still from little kids baseball. Can00:03:22.000 –> 00:03:24.000
we talk about that on a podcast? Yes.00:03:24.000 –> 00:03:26.000
We didn’t do that. We did not bet00:03:26.000 –> 00:03:28.000
on lunch and his kids We just had00:03:28.000 –> 00:03:30.000
webs my kids team all the time. And00:03:30.000 –> 00:03:31.000
We had hunches of gonna lie. I had00:03:31.000 –> 00:03:33.000
a hunch. Yeah. You were you were betting00:03:33.000 –> 00:03:36.000
with your heart. It was crazy. Like, he00:03:36.000 –> 00:03:37.000
didn’t even have a chance, but, hey, we,00:03:38.000 –> 00:03:39.000
we tried to make happened. So I was00:03:39.000 –> 00:03:41.000
gonna ask you too. Have you, have you00:03:41.000 –> 00:03:42.000
seen Tiger Woods lately?00:03:43.000 –> 00:03:45.000
No. Have you? No. Just in spring training.00:03:45.000 –> 00:03:46.000
Just in spring. When you and I were00:03:46.000 –> 00:03:49.000
creeping his restaurant. Damn. So what’s that private00:03:49.000 –> 00:03:51.000
party out there? Looks like an awful lot00:03:51.000 –> 00:03:53.000
of security for just a normal private party,00:03:53.000 –> 00:03:55.000
doesn’t it? You and I are peaking. Yeah.00:03:55.000 –> 00:03:57.000
Tiger was there. Tucker was there. We were00:03:57.000 –> 00:03:59.000
in the same restaurant. We’re having dinner, Brad00:03:59.000 –> 00:04:01.000
and I. And,00:04:01.000 –> 00:04:03.000
well, my gosh, that’s a lot of people.00:04:03.000 –> 00:04:04.000
I think I even tried to go to00:04:04.000 –> 00:04:05.000
the restroom and turn right. And Sorry. You00:04:05.000 –> 00:04:07.000
gotta go this way. Exactly.00:04:07.000 –> 00:04:09.000
And then we found out, I think, wasn’t00:04:09.000 –> 00:04:11.000
it you or me? Somebody got a text00:04:11.000 –> 00:04:12.000
that Tiger Woods. They didn’t know we were00:04:12.000 –> 00:04:14.000
there at the restaurant. They’re like Tiger Woods00:04:14.000 –> 00:04:15.000
is at his restaurant Jupiter, and I’m like,00:04:15.000 –> 00:04:17.000
oh, crap. We missed him. Yeah. Head his,00:04:17.000 –> 00:04:19.000
like, daughter, soccer, partner, some either way, I00:04:19.000 –> 00:04:21.000
think that we could say we had, dinner00:04:21.000 –> 00:04:22.000
with tag. We had dinner with tags or00:04:22.000 –> 00:04:25.000
did. Yeah. They were signed their their giveaway.00:04:25.000 –> 00:04:26.000
You know, my kids, they give away like,00:04:26.000 –> 00:04:28.000
you know, sour patch kids. I think Tiger’s00:04:28.000 –> 00:04:30.000
end of the year party. They had signed00:04:30.000 –> 00:04:33.000
soccer balls from Tiger Woods. That’s pretty good.00:04:33.000 –> 00:04:34.000
And a whole new bag of clubs. A00:04:34.000 –> 00:04:36.000
whole new bag of clubs. Well, good for00:04:36.000 –> 00:04:36.000
them. So,00:04:37.000 –> 00:04:40.000
let’s talk about post based ball career, man.00:04:40.000 –> 00:04:40.000
So,00:04:41.000 –> 00:04:42.000
and you and you already mentioned this, but00:04:42.000 –> 00:04:44.000
what what did you think you were gonna00:04:44.000 –> 00:04:47.000
be doing versus what you’re doing now? Yeah.00:04:47.000 –> 00:04:49.000
So before I ended up signing with the00:04:49.000 –> 00:04:52.000
cardinals, I had signed to after junior college.00:04:52.000 –> 00:04:54.000
I was gonna go back to Las Vegas00:04:54.000 –> 00:04:55.000
go to UN LV. I signed to play,00:04:56.000 –> 00:04:57.000
there for the for the rebels.00:04:57.000 –> 00:05:00.000
And my goal was to go into00:05:01.000 –> 00:05:03.000
criminal justice. I wanted to be an attorney.00:05:03.000 –> 00:05:05.000
Is is kind of the direction that I00:05:05.000 –> 00:05:06.000
thought I was heading.00:05:07.000 –> 00:05:09.000
And, obviously, did not go that route, but00:05:09.000 –> 00:05:10.000
that was, like, the thought that go get00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:13.000
into criminal justice. I I thought I wanted00:05:13.000 –> 00:05:14.000
to go the route of attorney.00:05:16.000 –> 00:05:18.000
And, that was gonna be the path. Now00:05:18.000 –> 00:05:20.000
the path took me through baseball. And it00:05:20.000 –> 00:05:21.000
was tough decision to make at the time00:05:21.000 –> 00:05:22.000
too because00:05:22.000 –> 00:05:25.000
I had the chance to get have my00:05:25.000 –> 00:05:28.000
school paid for potentially get drafted higher maybe00:05:28.000 –> 00:05:30.000
the next year, make make maybe a little00:05:30.000 –> 00:05:32.000
bit more money out of the draft, which00:05:32.000 –> 00:05:33.000
I didn’t make a lot of money. But00:05:33.000 –> 00:05:35.000
I also thought what if what if I00:05:35.000 –> 00:05:36.000
never get this chance again? What if I00:05:36.000 –> 00:05:37.000
never have an opportunity00:05:38.000 –> 00:05:40.000
to say that I played professional baseball. I00:05:40.000 –> 00:05:42.000
can always go back to school. Yep. But00:05:42.000 –> 00:05:44.000
I can’t always get this chance again. So00:05:44.000 –> 00:05:45.000
ultimately, I landed on that decision.00:05:46.000 –> 00:05:49.000
And so so grateful that I did. But00:05:49.000 –> 00:05:51.000
you had never thought that the media side00:05:51.000 –> 00:05:53.000
was gonna be a thing. And honestly, it00:05:53.000 –> 00:05:54.000
was it wasn’t even on the radar. I00:05:54.000 –> 00:05:57.000
wasn’t sure, Brett, what direction I gonna go.00:05:57.000 –> 00:05:59.000
I knew I was nearing the end of00:05:59.000 –> 00:06:02.000
my baseball career. I was playing independent ball00:06:02.000 –> 00:06:04.000
for those that don’t know independent baseball is00:06:04.000 –> 00:06:06.000
It’s still professional baseball. You get paid. Not00:06:06.000 –> 00:06:08.000
a lot. You get paid nonetheless, but it’s00:06:08.000 –> 00:06:10.000
just not affiliated with one of the major00:06:10.000 –> 00:06:12.000
league teams. I was playing in, the Atlantic00:06:12.000 –> 00:06:15.000
League which baseball fans will know what the00:06:15.000 –> 00:06:17.000
Atlantic League is. It’s also been a league00:06:17.000 –> 00:06:18.000
that’s kinda broken. Some of these major league00:06:18.000 –> 00:06:21.000
baseball new rules before baseball breaks him in.00:06:21.000 –> 00:06:21.000
Yeah.00:06:22.000 –> 00:06:24.000
But a lot of former big leaguers, good00:06:24.000 –> 00:06:26.000
baseball league. But I was playing there, and00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:28.000
I just kinda I knew that I was00:06:28.000 –> 00:06:30.000
I got it. Velocity wasn’t coming back. I00:06:30.000 –> 00:06:33.000
had Tommy John surgery in twenty ten. And00:06:33.000 –> 00:06:34.000
for those that know me well, velocity was00:06:34.000 –> 00:06:37.000
never my thing anyhow. So losing a tick00:06:37.000 –> 00:06:39.000
off the radar gun, we not a big00:06:39.000 –> 00:06:40.000
thing, but I got a phone call in00:06:40.000 –> 00:06:41.000
the off season,00:06:42.000 –> 00:06:44.000
and this was prior to my final year00:06:44.000 –> 00:06:44.000
of playing.00:06:45.000 –> 00:06:48.000
And it was from program director at 01:0100:06:48.000 –> 00:06:49.000
ESPN. I’m sure I’ve told you this story00:06:49.000 –> 00:06:51.000
in the past, but he called me and00:06:51.000 –> 00:06:54.000
said, Hey, I got your number from Chris00:06:54.000 –> 00:06:54.000
Duncan.00:06:55.000 –> 00:06:57.000
And Cardinal fans. Remember Chris Duncan. Good. Take00:06:57.000 –> 00:06:59.000
time. Yeah, man. One of my best friends00:06:59.000 –> 00:07:02.000
ever, unfortunately, passed away, Brad cancer00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:04.000
and this was in the beginning of it.00:07:04.000 –> 00:07:06.000
Dunk was was Brad to leave for some00:07:06.000 –> 00:07:09.000
medic his, you know, medical issues. And program00:07:09.000 –> 00:07:10.000
director called and said, Dunk passed along your00:07:10.000 –> 00:07:11.000
number.00:07:12.000 –> 00:07:13.000
I said he thought you would be good00:07:13.000 –> 00:07:14.000
at this.00:07:14.000 –> 00:07:16.000
Could you fill in on a Monday?00:07:17.000 –> 00:07:18.000
I said, my wife probably wants me out00:07:18.000 –> 00:07:20.000
of the house right now. It’s the office.00:07:20.000 –> 00:07:21.000
Can you pay me a couple bucks? Yeah.00:07:21.000 –> 00:07:23.000
I’m gonna sit around. I’m gonna sit around00:07:23.000 –> 00:07:25.000
and watch football all weekend anyhow. That’s probably00:07:25.000 –> 00:07:27.000
what you’re gonna talk about come Monday. I00:07:27.000 –> 00:07:28.000
did. And I took over the weekend. It00:07:28.000 –> 00:07:30.000
was like copious notes, just like you, you’re00:07:30.000 –> 00:07:33.000
a note taker. Right? I’m Brett down all00:07:33.000 –> 00:07:35.000
these college games these NFL games, like, come00:07:35.000 –> 00:07:37.000
in. I get this stack of notes ready00:07:37.000 –> 00:07:38.000
to go. I didn’t know what to expect.00:07:38.000 –> 00:07:40.000
I never grew up. I didn’t listen to00:07:40.000 –> 00:07:41.000
sports talk radio. I didn’t know how big00:07:41.000 –> 00:07:43.000
of a thing that was. And, like, that00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:45.000
actually really eye opening to me over the00:07:45.000 –> 00:07:47.000
years of the connection you can have with00:07:47.000 –> 00:07:49.000
the fan base actually doing that, but I00:07:49.000 –> 00:07:50.000
I never had that.00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:53.000
So one segment in, I get called out00:07:53.000 –> 00:07:54.000
into the hallway.00:07:55.000 –> 00:07:56.000
And I’ve said, oh, I must’ve said a00:07:56.000 –> 00:07:58.000
magic word. I said one of the things00:07:58.000 –> 00:07:59.000
that you can’t say here.00:08:00.000 –> 00:08:02.000
And I said, did did that happen? He’s00:08:02.000 –> 00:08:04.000
like, no. No. He’s like, you’re really good.00:08:04.000 –> 00:08:06.000
Would you mind staying the rest of the00:08:06.000 –> 00:08:08.000
week? I said, yeah. Would love to stay00:08:08.000 –> 00:08:09.000
the rest of the week. And that rest00:08:09.000 –> 00:08:11.000
of the week turned into the rest of00:08:11.000 –> 00:08:13.000
the off season, which actually turned into before00:08:13.000 –> 00:08:16.000
I was going to play, and what what00:08:16.000 –> 00:08:18.000
was gonna be my final, you know, final00:08:18.000 –> 00:08:19.000
year didn’t know it at the time.00:08:20.000 –> 00:08:22.000
But they offered me a full time position.00:08:22.000 –> 00:08:23.000
At that time,00:08:23.000 –> 00:08:25.000
on a morning show.00:08:25.000 –> 00:08:28.000
I said, man, I I I really appreciate00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:30.000
the opportunity.00:08:30.000 –> 00:08:32.000
Can’t do it. Like, I need to know00:08:32.000 –> 00:08:34.000
that baseball’s done. Because the last thing00:08:36.000 –> 00:08:38.000
that I wanted was to be sitting there00:08:38.000 –> 00:08:40.000
and doing a job that I like,00:08:41.000 –> 00:08:43.000
but wondering what could that have been like,00:08:43.000 –> 00:08:45.000
you know, had I gone back? Maybe I00:08:45.000 –> 00:08:48.000
found something or maybe magically the arm reappeared.00:08:48.000 –> 00:08:51.000
Now, fortunately. The arm didn’t reappear, Brett. None00:08:51.000 –> 00:08:53.000
of that stuff happened. I didn’t want that00:08:53.000 –> 00:08:55.000
thought. I didn’t want that doubt that, that00:08:55.000 –> 00:08:57.000
I did the wrong thing. So I went00:08:57.000 –> 00:09:00.000
back and played. And after a few months00:09:00.000 –> 00:09:02.000
in, I just knew the timing wasn’t right.00:09:02.000 –> 00:09:04.000
My wife Andrea, she was pregnant with our00:09:04.000 –> 00:09:06.000
our first with our first.00:09:07.000 –> 00:09:09.000
He was born in May. I came home00:09:09.000 –> 00:09:10.000
for a week.00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:13.000
And I was like, man, I I’m this00:09:13.000 –> 00:09:15.000
isn’t the place for me. I got I’ve00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:16.000
gotta be done. I need to go home.00:09:16.000 –> 00:09:18.000
I need to be with my family, and00:09:18.000 –> 00:09:19.000
I need to figure out what is next.00:09:19.000 –> 00:09:22.000
So I made the phone call, back to00:09:22.000 –> 00:09:24.000
one one ESPN. I say, Hey, any chance00:09:24.000 –> 00:09:26.000
you guys still got that job00:09:26.000 –> 00:09:28.000
sitting there? And he said, we’ve been keeping00:09:28.000 –> 00:09:30.000
a spot open for you. It ended up00:09:30.000 –> 00:09:32.000
being in the afternoon show at the with00:09:32.000 –> 00:09:34.000
Randy Carricker and Demarco Farris. If you’re ready00:09:34.000 –> 00:09:36.000
to come back, we’re ready to have you.00:09:36.000 –> 00:09:37.000
I said, well It was just the two00:09:37.000 –> 00:09:39.000
of them at the time, maybe? Okay. Yep.00:09:39.000 –> 00:09:41.000
And because it was the three. Chris Duncan00:09:41.000 –> 00:09:43.000
was the third on that show. And they00:09:43.000 –> 00:09:45.000
they had left that one open. And,00:09:46.000 –> 00:09:46.000
fortunately,00:09:47.000 –> 00:09:49.000
I was able to slide into that, that00:09:49.000 –> 00:09:51.000
spot and learn so much from them Randy00:09:51.000 –> 00:09:53.000
Carrick are one of my biggest mentors, and00:09:53.000 –> 00:09:55.000
I love the way that Demarco Far, who’s,00:09:55.000 –> 00:09:57.000
you know, he’s now in LA, followed the00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:58.000
Rams out there.00:09:58.000 –> 00:10:00.000
I love the way that he went about00:10:00.000 –> 00:10:02.000
it, the energy and the excitement that he00:10:02.000 –> 00:10:04.000
had and just kinda feeding off those guys00:10:04.000 –> 00:10:06.000
and learning along the way and try not00:10:06.000 –> 00:10:08.000
saying to magic words to get fired. And00:10:08.000 –> 00:10:10.000
ten years later, you know, here we are.00:10:10.000 –> 00:10:12.000
It’s amazing. Absolutely amazing. And I I think,00:10:12.000 –> 00:10:14.000
you know, it’s crazy when you think about00:10:14.000 –> 00:10:16.000
your career path, what you thought gonna happen.00:10:16.000 –> 00:10:18.000
I think so many times, you know, we00:10:18.000 –> 00:10:19.000
do planning for a living. Right? And it’s00:10:19.000 –> 00:10:19.000
like,00:10:20.000 –> 00:10:22.000
I plan these things, but, you know, there’s00:10:22.000 –> 00:10:24.000
other sometimes other plans. And you just don’t00:10:24.000 –> 00:10:25.000
know what they are. I think when you00:10:25.000 –> 00:10:27.000
just gotta have trust and you gotta have00:10:27.000 –> 00:10:28.000
faith and you gotta do great work and00:10:28.000 –> 00:10:30.000
show up every day. And because I’m sure00:10:30.000 –> 00:10:32.000
there was days I’ve talked to other players00:10:32.000 –> 00:10:33.000
that when you when you00:10:34.000 –> 00:10:36.000
retire, and that thing you love is gone.00:10:37.000 –> 00:10:40.000
And Yeah. Arguably gone forever, right, that that’s00:10:40.000 –> 00:10:43.000
probably pretty emotional. And So to find that00:10:43.000 –> 00:10:45.000
next gear, what what was that process like00:10:45.000 –> 00:10:46.000
for you00:10:46.000 –> 00:10:48.000
to find out, and, obviously, you landed into00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:50.000
that. But was there that emotional thing where00:10:50.000 –> 00:10:52.000
you had to, like, think and journal and00:10:52.000 –> 00:10:54.000
dream and do whatever? Oh, you’re huge.00:10:54.000 –> 00:10:56.000
It was I still remember00:10:56.000 –> 00:10:59.000
very vividly the drive home. So middle of00:10:59.000 –> 00:11:00.000
the season Gilliland00:11:00.000 –> 00:11:02.000
I had, I had given00:11:02.000 –> 00:11:05.000
my, my manager the heads up, just told00:11:05.000 –> 00:11:06.000
him I’d say, hey, I’ll stay here as00:11:06.000 –> 00:11:07.000
long as00:11:08.000 –> 00:11:10.000
you need to find a replacement for me,00:11:10.000 –> 00:11:12.000
but I gotta go. I gotta I’m I’m00:11:12.000 –> 00:11:13.000
ready to go home. He tried to talk00:11:13.000 –> 00:11:15.000
me into being the pitching coach. I said,00:11:15.000 –> 00:11:17.000
I I can’t. I gotta And what town00:11:17.000 –> 00:11:19.000
was that again? This is somerset, New Jersey.00:11:19.000 –> 00:11:21.000
Okay. Said said, you know, be on the00:11:21.000 –> 00:11:23.000
same page. She was here. Yeah. She was00:11:23.000 –> 00:11:25.000
here. Newborn son is here.00:11:25.000 –> 00:11:27.000
So it it was it was00:11:28.000 –> 00:11:29.000
flattering that they wanted to keep me around00:11:29.000 –> 00:11:31.000
and wanted me to be around the team00:11:31.000 –> 00:11:32.000
and maybe that would have started a new00:11:32.000 –> 00:11:34.000
patch. Maybe that would have been coaching and00:11:34.000 –> 00:11:36.000
and going from there. But,00:11:36.000 –> 00:11:37.000
my heart was here. Right? Had had to00:11:37.000 –> 00:11:39.000
go home, but I remember the drive. It00:11:39.000 –> 00:11:41.000
was so bad of calling everybody, calling family,00:11:41.000 –> 00:11:44.000
calling, like, my wife, Yeah. That’s it. Like,00:11:44.000 –> 00:11:46.000
it’s a last road trip. So it’s, that’s00:11:46.000 –> 00:11:48.000
emotional, right, when you’re when you’re going through00:11:48.000 –> 00:11:50.000
it. But you also know, like, you know,00:11:50.000 –> 00:11:53.000
something’s over. You know when it’s time to00:11:53.000 –> 00:11:55.000
move on, and that’s where we were at.00:11:55.000 –> 00:11:57.000
We were at that that that point. So00:11:57.000 –> 00:11:58.000
when it comes to like finding a passion00:11:58.000 –> 00:11:59.000
for a new thing,00:12:00.000 –> 00:12:02.000
whatever I do, I try to, like, jump00:12:02.000 –> 00:12:04.000
into. I try to just roll in. The00:12:04.000 –> 00:12:07.000
energy, the enthusiasm, whether whether it’s it’s doing00:12:07.000 –> 00:12:08.000
radio, it’s doing an interview,00:12:09.000 –> 00:12:11.000
hanging out with the family, like, try to00:12:11.000 –> 00:12:12.000
jump in. There are days where maybe you00:12:12.000 –> 00:12:14.000
don’t feel like that. Mhmm. But it’s amazing00:12:14.000 –> 00:12:16.000
if you come in with that attitude as00:12:16.000 –> 00:12:17.000
you very well know,00:12:17.000 –> 00:12:20.000
that’s how your day starts going. Right? So,00:12:20.000 –> 00:12:22.000
I kinda poured into it and it started00:12:22.000 –> 00:12:23.000
when I got that phone call. Like I00:12:23.000 –> 00:12:25.000
said, I’m taking the notes and I’m saying,00:12:25.000 –> 00:12:27.000
if I’m gonna do this, I’m gonna do00:12:27.000 –> 00:12:28.000
I’m not just gonna show up. And I’ve00:12:28.000 –> 00:12:30.000
seen this a lot now, especially being in00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:32.000
the business. You see a lot of former00:12:32.000 –> 00:12:33.000
athletes00:12:33.000 –> 00:12:36.000
show up and say, I played. I got00:12:36.000 –> 00:12:39.000
this. Yeah. And then you’re you’re talking to00:12:39.000 –> 00:12:40.000
him for a little bit or they’re speaking.00:12:40.000 –> 00:12:43.000
It’s like, he doesn’t he doesn’t have this.00:12:43.000 –> 00:12:45.000
Like, it’s it’s very obvious that it’s it’s00:12:45.000 –> 00:12:47.000
not an easy thing to do. I think00:12:47.000 –> 00:12:48.000
a lot of people at home are are00:12:48.000 –> 00:12:50.000
saying, boss, easy. I watch sports, easy to00:12:50.000 –> 00:12:53.000
talk about. Sure. So sometimes sometimes it is.00:12:53.000 –> 00:12:57.000
Other times, it takes it takes different little00:12:58.000 –> 00:13:00.000
avenues or or nuances00:13:00.000 –> 00:13:02.000
to to get through it. So But it’s00:13:02.000 –> 00:13:04.000
also, like, you gotta you gotta know, you00:13:04.000 –> 00:13:06.000
know, when to talk, you gotta know when00:13:06.000 –> 00:13:08.000
your voice goes up. Right? There’s more to00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:09.000
it than just, oh, I know about Yes.00:13:09.000 –> 00:13:11.000
Well, and that’s something that you learn as00:13:11.000 –> 00:13:13.000
you go to. Yeah. And that is something00:13:13.000 –> 00:13:15.000
that I’ve had to learn a lot more00:13:15.000 –> 00:13:17.000
with the TV side of things as I’ve00:13:17.000 –> 00:13:19.000
been doing those ball games for the last00:13:19.000 –> 00:13:20.000
couple of years is the00:13:21.000 –> 00:13:23.000
the picture is there on the screen. So00:13:23.000 –> 00:13:26.000
I can’t be talking about something that maybe00:13:26.000 –> 00:13:28.000
even I, like, I care about it a00:13:28.000 –> 00:13:30.000
lot, whatever. I’ve got a good story. If00:13:30.000 –> 00:13:33.000
they’re showing on the screen, it’s Miles Michaelis00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:35.000
or whoever, that’s who we’re talking about or00:13:35.000 –> 00:13:36.000
that, like, that’s what the story is at00:13:36.000 –> 00:13:38.000
the time. You have to know when to00:13:38.000 –> 00:13:39.000
get in, when to get out, but it’s00:13:39.000 –> 00:13:41.000
reps. Yeah. And it’s caring about that. And00:13:41.000 –> 00:13:44.000
it’s realizing when you mess something up because00:13:44.000 –> 00:13:46.000
I in my line of work, I know00:13:46.000 –> 00:13:48.000
when I mess something up, it’s very evident.00:13:48.000 –> 00:13:51.000
Like, usually there’s producer near yourself. What was00:13:51.000 –> 00:13:53.000
that? Don’t do it. Nothing. But you you00:13:53.000 –> 00:13:55.000
care enough to fix it and just going00:13:55.000 –> 00:13:58.000
back to the jumping into a new thing.00:13:58.000 –> 00:13:59.000
This is another thing I like to tell00:13:59.000 –> 00:14:01.000
kids when I get an opportunity or adults.00:14:01.000 –> 00:14:02.000
It’s a good thing to remember,00:14:03.000 –> 00:14:05.000
you never know when an opportunity is gonna00:14:05.000 –> 00:14:06.000
come your way. Yeah. You never know. Nope.00:14:06.000 –> 00:14:08.000
You know when one passes you, though. Like,00:14:08.000 –> 00:14:10.000
you know when something just walks out the00:14:10.000 –> 00:14:12.000
door and say, I should have done that.00:14:12.000 –> 00:14:13.000
So I wanna be ready for that. I00:14:13.000 –> 00:14:15.000
wanna be ready for whatever that next opportunity00:14:16.000 –> 00:14:17.000
is. Yeah. And I I always talk to00:14:17.000 –> 00:14:20.000
the old paralysis by analysis. Right? You could00:14:20.000 –> 00:14:22.000
have that opportunity, but so many people will00:14:22.000 –> 00:14:24.000
go back and they gotta00:14:24.000 –> 00:14:26.000
think and think and think. And then what00:14:26.000 –> 00:14:28.000
happens is they think themselves out of it.00:14:28.000 –> 00:14:30.000
Yeah. This is a great idea because AB00:14:30.000 –> 00:14:32.000
and see, but then that negative thought up00:14:32.000 –> 00:14:34.000
here in our mind says, well, I can’t00:14:34.000 –> 00:14:36.000
do it because I’m this, and I’m that.00:14:36.000 –> 00:14:37.000
And I think so many times what try00:14:37.000 –> 00:14:39.000
to help people with is just just take00:14:39.000 –> 00:14:40.000
action. That’s one of the circuits on the00:14:40.000 –> 00:14:43.000
circuit of success. Take action. Doesn’t mean you00:14:43.000 –> 00:14:45.000
have the whole thing figured out. But if00:14:45.000 –> 00:14:46.000
you trust yourself, again, I’ve said it a00:14:46.000 –> 00:14:48.000
million times, you show up to work every00:14:48.000 –> 00:14:49.000
day.00:14:49.000 –> 00:14:51.000
Good things are probably gonna happen. For sure.00:14:51.000 –> 00:14:53.000
Right? So liking this to baseball. Okay? Because00:14:53.000 –> 00:14:56.000
this happens a lot nowadays, paralysis by analysis.00:14:57.000 –> 00:14:58.000
We have all of this data. We have00:14:58.000 –> 00:15:00.000
all of these analytics.00:15:00.000 –> 00:15:02.000
One of my one of the most important00:15:02.000 –> 00:15:05.000
things I believe for any athlete is trust00:15:05.000 –> 00:15:08.000
your gut. Like, trust you, believe in your00:15:08.000 –> 00:15:10.000
stuff. I don’t care, if this guy can’t00:15:10.000 –> 00:15:12.000
hit this or can’t do that, what do00:15:12.000 –> 00:15:14.000
you do well? Yeah. What is your strength?00:15:14.000 –> 00:15:16.000
And I think that’s one of the biggest00:15:16.000 –> 00:15:18.000
things in any walk of life. Like, what00:15:18.000 –> 00:15:19.000
what is your strength? Do you trust in00:15:19.000 –> 00:15:21.000
what you’re doing? If you trust in what00:15:21.000 –> 00:15:22.000
you’re doing, good things are gonna happen. It00:15:22.000 –> 00:15:24.000
might not be the direct route that you’re00:15:24.000 –> 00:15:26.000
expecting it to happen might not be just00:15:26.000 –> 00:15:28.000
a to b very easy, but you’ll get00:15:28.000 –> 00:15:30.000
there at some point if you believe in00:15:30.000 –> 00:15:31.000
what you’re doing. That’s right. Yeah. A hundred00:15:31.000 –> 00:15:33.000
percent. I’ve I think about00:15:33.000 –> 00:15:36.000
I my first job out of college, I00:15:36.000 –> 00:15:38.000
was there for about, six weeks. I don’t00:15:38.000 –> 00:15:39.000
think I’ve ever told this on the podcast,00:15:39.000 –> 00:15:39.000
but,00:15:40.000 –> 00:15:41.000
I was there for six weeks. I was00:15:41.000 –> 00:15:43.000
in the financial He’s at a different firm.00:15:43.000 –> 00:15:45.000
And I got a call on a Tuesday00:15:45.000 –> 00:15:46.000
night that the guy that I was supposed00:15:46.000 –> 00:15:48.000
to have lunch with the next day, my00:15:48.000 –> 00:15:48.000
mentor,00:15:49.000 –> 00:15:51.000
who I’d never met. Yeah. Tomorrow was the00:15:51.000 –> 00:15:53.000
big day. Right? Here am twenty two years00:15:53.000 –> 00:15:55.000
old. We’re living in this tiny condo in00:15:55.000 –> 00:15:57.000
Saint Louis. My wife’s got an internship at00:15:57.000 –> 00:15:58.000
Barnes.00:15:58.000 –> 00:16:00.000
We had one car, and I’m gonna go00:16:00.000 –> 00:16:01.000
this lunch. I get the call on Tuesday.00:16:02.000 –> 00:16:02.000
He actually,00:16:03.000 –> 00:16:05.000
died by suicide. Oh my god. And,00:16:06.000 –> 00:16:08.000
jumped off a building, actually. And and so00:16:08.000 –> 00:16:10.000
here I am, this twenty two year old00:16:10.000 –> 00:16:12.000
kid, I’m getting ready to go start literally00:16:12.000 –> 00:16:13.000
to knock on doors and try to build00:16:13.000 –> 00:16:15.000
a business and, you know, got acne. I’m00:16:15.000 –> 00:16:17.000
like, I look like I’m twelve. You know,00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:18.000
I’m like, hey, give me your money.00:16:19.000 –> 00:16:21.000
And so I said I’m never gonna be00:16:21.000 –> 00:16:24.000
in financial planning. I’m never gonna do investments.00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:25.000
That’s just not my deal. I actually went00:16:25.000 –> 00:16:27.000
to Bush Stadium. I was gonna the next,00:16:27.000 –> 00:16:29.000
you know, now jump as they lucked at00:16:29.000 –> 00:16:30.000
the time, Mark Lamping. That’s what I thought00:16:30.000 –> 00:16:32.000
I was gonna do. I applied for a00:16:32.000 –> 00:16:34.000
job. They said, we don’t have any jobs,00:16:34.000 –> 00:16:36.000
but not a bartender? I said, yeah. I00:16:36.000 –> 00:16:37.000
know the bartender. They said, we need a00:16:37.000 –> 00:16:39.000
bartender for the game tonight. So if the00:16:39.000 –> 00:16:40.000
old bush that you played in, right, they00:16:40.000 –> 00:16:43.000
had remember the left field at the stadium00:16:43.000 –> 00:16:45.000
club. Yeah. Yeah. How’s the bartender in there?00:16:45.000 –> 00:16:47.000
Long story short, I got another call from00:16:47.000 –> 00:16:49.000
a company that said, come in. Let’s do00:16:49.000 –> 00:16:51.000
an interview. I said, look, I’ll come in00:16:51.000 –> 00:16:53.000
for the practice. I was very upfront. Well,00:16:53.000 –> 00:16:55.000
I spent twelve and a half years there.00:16:55.000 –> 00:16:56.000
Now ten years of visionary, and I’ve done00:16:56.000 –> 00:16:59.000
nothing but investment. That’s good practice. Right. Good00:16:59.000 –> 00:17:00.000
practice. But the point to that is what00:17:00.000 –> 00:17:01.000
what is the point of that story. Right?00:17:01.000 –> 00:17:03.000
Right? But I think the point is is00:17:03.000 –> 00:17:04.000
you never know because what you said, you00:17:04.000 –> 00:17:06.000
never know where it’s gonna go. How you00:17:06.000 –> 00:17:07.000
take it, and then you take it to00:17:07.000 –> 00:17:09.000
the next level by what you put into00:17:09.000 –> 00:17:10.000
it. Gilliland,00:17:10.000 –> 00:17:13.000
like, to your earlier point, a tragic event,00:17:13.000 –> 00:17:15.000
obviously, with with with your mentor,00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:16.000
but00:17:16.000 –> 00:17:18.000
that life is not your life. You know?00:17:18.000 –> 00:17:20.000
Like, there are different things weighing on him00:17:20.000 –> 00:17:22.000
than weighing on you. It’s not necessarily the00:17:22.000 –> 00:17:24.000
industry that you’re in. Don’t care if you00:17:24.000 –> 00:17:26.000
you could be in the happiest industry in00:17:26.000 –> 00:17:28.000
the world or the saddest industry in the00:17:28.000 –> 00:17:29.000
world. You’d be in the happiest industry and00:17:29.000 –> 00:17:31.000
be a sad person. You could be, a00:17:31.000 –> 00:17:33.000
sad industry and be a happy person. It’s00:17:33.000 –> 00:17:35.000
your mindset. It’s the way that that you00:17:35.000 –> 00:17:37.000
go about it, and you just gotta be00:17:37.000 –> 00:17:38.000
ready for when that one pops up. But00:17:38.000 –> 00:17:40.000
that is like, I’m thinking about the conversation00:17:40.000 –> 00:17:42.000
that you had. It was marked lamping at00:17:42.000 –> 00:17:44.000
the time. Yeah. So and who runs the00:17:44.000 –> 00:17:46.000
jaguars now. Right? So Oh, I think that’s00:17:46.000 –> 00:17:49.000
right. I I I’m just picturing. It’s like,00:17:49.000 –> 00:17:51.000
I’m interested in this job. No, but bartending.00:17:51.000 –> 00:17:54.000
Yeah. Like, that’s, like, what what a drastic?00:17:54.000 –> 00:17:55.000
What just happened? Let’s see if this kid00:17:55.000 –> 00:17:57.000
will do that. Yeah. He will. Yeah. But00:17:57.000 –> 00:18:00.000
that’s one of the things too. Like, in00:18:00.000 –> 00:18:01.000
and this is a big thing in the00:18:01.000 –> 00:18:04.000
radio industry. If someone asks you, hey, can00:18:04.000 –> 00:18:07.000
you do x, y, or z. Yeah. Yeah.00:18:07.000 –> 00:18:09.000
Yes. I can. I can do that. And00:18:09.000 –> 00:18:11.000
you can dig in, you figure it out.00:18:11.000 –> 00:18:13.000
It can you interview so and so? You00:18:13.000 –> 00:18:14.000
might be a young producer00:18:15.000 –> 00:18:17.000
Yeah. I can do that. That’s a chance.00:18:17.000 –> 00:18:19.000
Like, that is an opportunity. You might be00:18:19.000 –> 00:18:21.000
scared to death. Nobody knows what you’re feeling.00:18:21.000 –> 00:18:23.000
Nobody knows what you’re thinking as you’re going00:18:23.000 –> 00:18:25.000
through it. Take the opportunity. The answer is00:18:25.000 –> 00:18:27.000
yes. Can you do it? Yes. I’ll figure00:18:27.000 –> 00:18:29.000
it out. Yeah. Well, Danny Max said in00:18:29.000 –> 00:18:31.000
this podcast. He said he started with he00:18:31.000 –> 00:18:32.000
was running tapes or whatever they called it00:18:32.000 –> 00:18:33.000
back in. Right? He’s like, literally, it’d be00:18:33.000 –> 00:18:35.000
on a cart. I’d run him from one00:18:35.000 –> 00:18:36.000
room to the other so the guys could00:18:36.000 –> 00:18:38.000
talk about on the air. Yes.00:18:40.000 –> 00:18:43.000
Cut up tape. And Yeah. It’s crazy. So,00:18:44.000 –> 00:18:46.000
how did you how do how do you00:18:46.000 –> 00:18:47.000
draw up on your playing career?00:18:48.000 –> 00:18:50.000
Now being an announcer. Do you think back00:18:50.000 –> 00:18:51.000
to your playing days? Like, does that play00:18:51.000 –> 00:18:53.000
a role in the in the booth? Yeah.00:18:53.000 –> 00:18:54.000
It does. I I think back to more00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:57.000
so, like, than referencing my career, which is00:18:57.000 –> 00:18:58.000
lack luster. Like, I’m actually gonna go back.00:18:58.000 –> 00:19:00.000
Serious champ, darn right. I’m gonna have you00:19:00.000 –> 00:19:02.000
say that a few more times as we00:19:02.000 –> 00:19:03.000
go through this. No. More so I think00:19:03.000 –> 00:19:05.000
about all, I think about emotions. I think00:19:05.000 –> 00:19:07.000
about the emotions of what a player is00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:09.000
going through at a given time because it00:19:09.000 –> 00:19:11.000
is very easy to sit where we sit,00:19:11.000 –> 00:19:13.000
you’re high up, and you’re you’re watching on00:19:13.000 –> 00:19:15.000
a screen, you see the field in front00:19:15.000 –> 00:19:17.000
of you, game looks easy. Like, it looks00:19:17.000 –> 00:19:19.000
really easy when you’re watching at home, you’re00:19:19.000 –> 00:19:22.000
a couple of cold beers. Like, why didn’t00:19:22.000 –> 00:19:24.000
he hit that ball down the middle that00:19:24.000 –> 00:19:26.000
I realized I’ve I’ve stood in that batter’s00:19:26.000 –> 00:19:28.000
box. I’ve been on that amount. I’ve done00:19:28.000 –> 00:19:30.000
it during the regular season. I’ve done it00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:31.000
in the post season. I’ve done it in00:19:31.000 –> 00:19:34.000
the world series. It is a different perspective00:19:34.000 –> 00:19:36.000
when you’re actually going through it and things00:19:36.000 –> 00:19:37.000
aren’t that easy. So that’s one of the00:19:37.000 –> 00:19:39.000
things that I really try to remember00:19:40.000 –> 00:19:41.000
when I’m in the booth and I’m doing00:19:41.000 –> 00:19:44.000
games. It’s not that easy. So00:19:45.000 –> 00:19:48.000
I’m not gonna also lie to somebody when00:19:48.000 –> 00:19:49.000
you’re watching the game. I’m not gonna spit00:19:49.000 –> 00:19:51.000
on you and tell you it’s raining. Right.00:19:51.000 –> 00:19:53.000
When something is bad, it’s bad. But I’ll00:19:53.000 –> 00:19:55.000
frame it in a way where, hey, nine00:19:55.000 –> 00:19:57.000
times out of ten, he’s gonna make that00:19:57.000 –> 00:19:58.000
play. Yeah. Because I believe that. Yeah. You00:19:58.000 –> 00:20:00.000
know, I I believe that the the good00:20:00.000 –> 00:20:03.000
things are gonna outweigh the bad things you00:20:03.000 –> 00:20:05.000
have to mention the bad things. I talked00:20:05.000 –> 00:20:06.000
about the bad season that the cardinals had.00:20:06.000 –> 00:20:08.000
Twenty games under five hundred. It’s hard to00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:10.000
sugar coat that. Right? But also have to00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:12.000
believe in the fact that you didn’t have00:20:12.000 –> 00:20:13.000
a losing season,00:20:14.000 –> 00:20:16.000
since o seven before that. We’re very spoiled.00:20:16.000 –> 00:20:17.000
Yeah. And you know that good things are00:20:17.000 –> 00:20:20.000
gonna be on the horizon also, but Yeah.00:20:20.000 –> 00:20:22.000
I I always go back to being in00:20:22.000 –> 00:20:24.000
those shoes, what it’s like. And then the00:20:24.000 –> 00:20:25.000
other thing that I lean on a lot00:20:25.000 –> 00:20:27.000
is the preparation. I know what the preparation00:20:27.000 –> 00:20:29.000
was like as a player. I know how00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:32.000
I would dig in and learn about these00:20:32.000 –> 00:20:34.000
hitters. Now there’s far more information now than00:20:34.000 –> 00:20:36.000
there was when I was playing. And maybe00:20:36.000 –> 00:20:38.000
too much information for some guys. I think00:20:38.000 –> 00:20:40.000
that’s one of the biggest challenges is how00:20:40.000 –> 00:20:41.000
to spoon feed some of these players the00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:44.000
information that they need without giving them the00:20:44.000 –> 00:20:46.000
quote unquote analytics because Some guys can’t really00:20:46.000 –> 00:20:48.000
handle the numbers of it but need the00:20:48.000 –> 00:20:49.000
information.00:20:49.000 –> 00:20:51.000
But I I think about that. And a00:20:51.000 –> 00:20:52.000
lot of times maybe you’ll hear me during00:20:52.000 –> 00:20:53.000
a broadcast00:20:54.000 –> 00:20:55.000
thinking ahead. Say, hey,00:20:56.000 –> 00:20:58.000
if if in this spot, I would go00:20:58.000 –> 00:21:00.000
with this slider down the way right here.00:21:00.000 –> 00:21:02.000
Well, I’ve scouted him just like the pitcher00:21:02.000 –> 00:21:04.000
scouted him. I scout the other teams, tendencies,00:21:04.000 –> 00:21:06.000
and all that stuff. So ahead of time,00:21:06.000 –> 00:21:08.000
I I feel like I know what direction00:21:08.000 –> 00:21:10.000
they should be going in. Now that So00:21:10.000 –> 00:21:12.000
you watch film as, I mean Yeah. Yeah.00:21:12.000 –> 00:21:15.000
I watch video breakdown, scouting reports, all that00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:18.000
fun stuff before games. I nerd out with00:21:18.000 –> 00:21:19.000
it now, Brad. Like, this is what you00:21:19.000 –> 00:21:21.000
do in your hotel room? I do. I00:21:21.000 –> 00:21:23.000
guess they’re on the Brad, and I’m00:21:23.000 –> 00:21:26.000
digging into video and watching, you know, hitters00:21:26.000 –> 00:21:27.000
against the left. Do you have, like, the00:21:27.000 –> 00:21:28.000
iPad that same when the players are watching00:21:28.000 –> 00:21:30.000
the same I don’t get their good proprietary00:21:31.000 –> 00:21:32.000
information. I have to dig in and find00:21:32.000 –> 00:21:34.000
my own. I should really call in some00:21:34.000 –> 00:21:35.000
favors and get good stuff.00:21:36.000 –> 00:21:39.000
The broadcast. All the search engine stuff. But,00:21:39.000 –> 00:21:41.000
no, it it really is. It’s fun. And00:21:41.000 –> 00:21:44.000
it’s it’s like anything else. Say, I I00:21:44.000 –> 00:21:45.000
dig in and do this thing because I00:21:45.000 –> 00:21:48.000
wanna inform the viewer. Yep. And I want00:21:48.000 –> 00:21:51.000
to be right. Like, there’s a pride in00:21:51.000 –> 00:21:54.000
I’m not just saying stuff to say stuff,00:21:54.000 –> 00:21:56.000
but there’s also the humbling nature of baseball’s00:21:56.000 –> 00:21:59.000
ever changing. Yeah. And somebody’s thought process is00:21:59.000 –> 00:22:01.000
totally different. I might know from my and00:22:01.000 –> 00:22:03.000
this goes back to trusting yourself. I might00:22:03.000 –> 00:22:05.000
know from my research that I did in00:22:05.000 –> 00:22:06.000
my hotel room in Milwaukee,00:22:07.000 –> 00:22:09.000
sitting there that o two00:22:09.000 –> 00:22:11.000
slider down in a way. That is the00:22:11.000 –> 00:22:14.000
best pitch for Gilliland Thompson. He’ll miss it00:22:14.000 –> 00:22:16.000
by a mile. I don’t know what the00:22:16.000 –> 00:22:18.000
guy on the mound feels when he grips00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:19.000
his tighter. Yeah. There are times where a00:22:19.000 –> 00:22:21.000
pitch in your hand feels amazing. There are00:22:21.000 –> 00:22:23.000
times where even if you know in your00:22:23.000 –> 00:22:24.000
head it’s a right pitch, you grip the00:22:24.000 –> 00:22:26.000
baseball. I said, this Gilliland then you switch00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:27.000
it to another grip, you say, this is00:22:27.000 –> 00:22:29.000
the pitch I want. Let’s go with this00:22:29.000 –> 00:22:31.000
one. So, like, that’s where, like, the human00:22:31.000 –> 00:22:33.000
element really plays in the game of base00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:35.000
one. I love that. Well, and and also00:22:35.000 –> 00:22:37.000
you don’t know what he did last night.00:22:37.000 –> 00:22:38.000
You don’t know if he got an argument00:22:38.000 –> 00:22:41.000
with his spouse, you know, three hours before00:22:41.000 –> 00:22:43.000
the game. Right? There’s so much emotion So00:22:43.000 –> 00:22:45.000
for you, how much of it playing you’re00:22:45.000 –> 00:22:47.000
playing days? How much of it was physical00:22:47.000 –> 00:22:50.000
versus, you know, emotional or psychological I I00:22:50.000 –> 00:22:52.000
think it’s a good balance. The the physical00:22:52.000 –> 00:22:54.000
part of it during the season, at least00:22:54.000 –> 00:22:57.000
for me, was maintenance. That was you maintain00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:59.000
the arm care. You maintain all of the00:22:59.000 –> 00:23:01.000
stuff that you worked hard in the winter00:23:01.000 –> 00:23:02.000
to grow. Like,00:23:02.000 –> 00:23:05.000
that was the growing part of it. But00:23:05.000 –> 00:23:07.000
playing a big league season, a hundred and00:23:07.000 –> 00:23:08.000
sixty two games in a hundred and eighty00:23:08.000 –> 00:23:10.000
something days, like, it’s a lot. It is00:23:10.000 –> 00:23:13.000
a rigorous thing. So that’s where the mental00:23:13.000 –> 00:23:14.000
part it comes in. And I did this00:23:14.000 –> 00:23:16.000
at mainly as a bullpen guy. I started00:23:16.000 –> 00:23:18.000
a bit in my career too, but mainly00:23:18.000 –> 00:23:20.000
as a bullpen guy, everyday players that have00:23:20.000 –> 00:23:22.000
to answer the bell every day, That’s a00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:25.000
different animal. You go over four, like, three00:23:25.000 –> 00:23:27.000
days in a row Yeah. And still being00:23:27.000 –> 00:23:28.000
able to put in the work, and that’s00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:30.000
where having a routine, and and Brett, I00:23:30.000 –> 00:23:31.000
know you’re huge on routine00:23:32.000 –> 00:23:34.000
and just having something that you could rely00:23:34.000 –> 00:23:36.000
on day in and day out. To me,00:23:36.000 –> 00:23:37.000
that’s the biggest thing. You put in the00:23:37.000 –> 00:23:40.000
work. You do during the season and the00:23:40.000 –> 00:23:43.000
off season. You do what you know00:23:43.000 –> 00:23:45.000
has made you successful in the past. And00:23:45.000 –> 00:23:47.000
even if you don’t get the results, you00:23:47.000 –> 00:23:48.000
yourself in the mirror at the end of00:23:48.000 –> 00:23:50.000
the night and say, hey, I did everything00:23:50.000 –> 00:23:51.000
that I could. I’m gonna do it again00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:53.000
tomorrow. So being able to answer the bell00:23:53.000 –> 00:23:55.000
and being able to be consistent in the00:23:55.000 –> 00:23:57.000
game of ball. That’s the hardest thing. Yeah.00:23:57.000 –> 00:23:59.000
Like, it stinks to be the guy that00:23:59.000 –> 00:24:02.000
is standing there on the mound at wrigley00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:04.000
as they start playing that go cubs go00:24:04.000 –> 00:24:06.000
song. You know what I walk you off.00:24:06.000 –> 00:24:08.000
Oh, yeah. That sucks. That’s a bad feeling.00:24:09.000 –> 00:24:10.000
You gotta be ready the next day. Sort00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:12.000
of the next yeah. That next opportunity might00:24:12.000 –> 00:24:15.000
be there in often times. Managers just like00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:18.000
a any manager in any business will likely00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:20.000
put you right back into that situation again00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:22.000
to see how you react to it. Are00:24:22.000 –> 00:24:24.000
you ready for? And I always wanted to00:24:24.000 –> 00:24:26.000
be ready. My ID is kicking in. So00:24:26.000 –> 00:24:28.000
my I’m bouncing between your playing guys in00:24:28.000 –> 00:24:29.000
your fave too. Okay. Good.00:24:30.000 –> 00:24:31.000
I made me think you told me a00:24:31.000 –> 00:24:33.000
story one time. I thought it was hilarious.00:24:33.000 –> 00:24:34.000
Your Scott Rolling story. I think you probably00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000
know where I’m going. There’s a lot of00:24:36.000 –> 00:24:37.000
Scott Rolling stories and you were fortunate enough00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:38.000
I think to go to the hall of00:24:38.000 –> 00:24:40.000
fame thing. I didn’t go to Oh, you00:24:40.000 –> 00:24:42.000
did. I was working, working the games. But00:24:42.000 –> 00:24:43.000
I know what you’re talking00:24:44.000 –> 00:24:46.000
about. Yeah. Well, I let’s be honest. I00:24:46.000 –> 00:24:48.000
helped Scott get Paul of Fame. All those00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:50.000
rockets that I gave up down the line00:24:50.000 –> 00:24:52.000
that he made these high life plays on.00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:54.000
No. It was an absolute honor to Brett00:24:54.000 –> 00:24:57.000
teammates with Scott rolling. And when I when00:24:57.000 –> 00:24:58.000
I got called up to the big leagues,00:24:58.000 –> 00:25:00.000
it was two thousand five. It was a00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:01.000
little over a month, I think, end of00:25:01.000 –> 00:25:03.000
the season. And I still remember00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:05.000
walking in00:25:05.000 –> 00:25:07.000
Bush Stadium. And it was, you know, bush00:25:07.000 –> 00:25:10.000
to older stadium. I remember the doors opening00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:12.000
like it’s a movie scene Albert Poolholz is00:25:12.000 –> 00:25:16.000
walking this way. Matt Morris, Scott Rolling, Reggie00:25:16.000 –> 00:25:19.000
Sanders, like, guys just like legends. Yes.00:25:20.000 –> 00:25:21.000
I mean, it was it was I was00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000
like a kid. I was like a little00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:25.000
literally like a kid. Twenty three years old,00:25:25.000 –> 00:25:28.000
baby face. They they barely let me in00:25:28.000 –> 00:25:30.000
the stadium. They had get somebody come in.00:25:30.000 –> 00:25:31.000
Nobody the hell is this? Yeah. Nobody believe00:25:31.000 –> 00:25:33.000
that I actually played. They laughed at me.00:25:33.000 –> 00:25:33.000
But,00:25:34.000 –> 00:25:36.000
the Scott Rolling story is when I did00:25:36.000 –> 00:25:39.000
make my major league debut, you. It was00:25:39.000 –> 00:25:41.000
Mother’s Day two thousand five. And I remember00:25:41.000 –> 00:25:43.000
jogging in from the bullpen. And I think00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:45.000
I made the mistake of looking around, even00:25:45.000 –> 00:25:47.000
though they say you should soak up the00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:49.000
moment. Sometimes maybe should be laser focused. I00:25:49.000 –> 00:25:50.000
don’t know. But I I did this one.00:25:50.000 –> 00:25:53.000
I started looking around. Oh my god. I00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:53.000
mean,00:25:55.000 –> 00:25:57.000
and surrounding you too. You know, the the00:25:57.000 –> 00:25:59.000
difference in the stadium, it was Gilliland it00:25:59.000 –> 00:26:01.000
was all the way around you. And I00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:03.000
get in, I throw my warm up pitches,00:26:04.000 –> 00:26:06.000
last pitch I throw to it was yachty.00:26:07.000 –> 00:26:08.000
Throw yachty. He throws it down. They throw00:26:08.000 –> 00:26:10.000
it around the horn. Yeah. And your third00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:12.000
baseman comes creeping in. He’s getting the last00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:15.000
guy to receive the ball. Third baseman, obviously,00:26:15.000 –> 00:26:16.000
the hall of famer Scott rolling.00:26:17.000 –> 00:26:18.000
He has the ball. He’s holding in his00:26:18.000 –> 00:26:20.000
hand. He looks at me. He looks around00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:22.000
like I did earlier.00:26:22.000 –> 00:26:24.000
He’s like, Hey, your parents make it in00:26:24.000 –> 00:26:26.000
town? I go, no. They’re not here yet,00:26:26.000 –> 00:26:27.000
mister Rolling. They’re be here next week. I00:26:27.000 –> 00:26:29.000
think I I think I missed it rolling00:26:29.000 –> 00:26:31.000
him. He goes, yeah. A lot of people00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:33.000
here. Well, good luck. And he flicked his00:26:33.000 –> 00:26:36.000
face off. It was like, okay. Okay, mister00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:38.000
Rolling. Sorry. It was as awesome. Good luck,00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:40.000
kid. Yeah. Have fun. Let’s see what you00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:41.000
do with it was00:26:42.000 –> 00:26:42.000
it was00:26:43.000 –> 00:26:45.000
a really fun experience, obviously, to make a00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:47.000
majorly debut. So memorable with that. And it’s00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:48.000
also,00:26:49.000 –> 00:26:50.000
really nice to know you have a safety00:26:50.000 –> 00:26:52.000
net like that over at third base where00:26:52.000 –> 00:26:55.000
anything that you hit that way, you never00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:56.000
had to look at the left side of00:26:56.000 –> 00:26:58.000
the field. Yeah. Because Hammer, David, Xstein, was00:26:58.000 –> 00:26:58.000
gonna pick it00:26:59.000 –> 00:27:00.000
up, and you were gonna be good to00:27:00.000 –> 00:27:01.000
go. And on the right side, you got00:27:01.000 –> 00:27:02.000
pool holes at first. Yeah. You were gonna00:27:02.000 –> 00:27:05.000
be good to go. Second basement was We00:27:05.000 –> 00:27:07.000
it bounced around that year. Hey. I had,00:27:07.000 –> 00:27:09.000
I think I had some, what, belly yard00:27:09.000 –> 00:27:12.000
late no. The belly yard late no six.00:27:12.000 –> 00:27:13.000
Gritzelonic00:27:13.000 –> 00:27:15.000
was there in two thousand and five.00:27:15.000 –> 00:27:17.000
So bouncing around a little bit on that00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:18.000
side of the infield. What did what did00:27:18.000 –> 00:27:20.000
it seem though? At Jim Edmonds in center00:27:20.000 –> 00:27:22.000
field, like, just hit it. Go ahead and00:27:22.000 –> 00:27:23.000
hit it. Try it. Just go over to00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:26.000
anybody. Yeah. Don’t walk anybody. You’d be good.00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:28.000
So how do you prepare for a game00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:30.000
now? Like, what’s that like for you. Yeah.00:27:30.000 –> 00:27:31.000
A lot of it is, like, we were00:27:31.000 –> 00:27:34.000
talking about before is one of my first00:27:34.000 –> 00:27:36.000
things that I do is I prepare, like,00:27:36.000 –> 00:27:38.000
I was pitching against the opposing line. So00:27:38.000 –> 00:27:40.000
I’ll dig in. I’ll I’ll look at the00:27:40.000 –> 00:27:40.000
tendencies00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:42.000
and all of that stuff. I’ll look at00:27:42.000 –> 00:27:43.000
their last couple of weeks of what they’ve00:27:43.000 –> 00:27:44.000
done and,00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:47.000
all the heat zones all all that good00:27:47.000 –> 00:27:49.000
stuff, then you’re obviously looking at your starters00:27:49.000 –> 00:27:51.000
arsenal for the day.00:27:51.000 –> 00:27:54.000
But, I’ll dig into Bullpens who’s been who’s00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:56.000
throwing a lot late who’s likely gonna be00:27:56.000 –> 00:27:59.000
down, try to manage my way through games00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:01.000
like a manager would. Turns out I don’t00:28:01.000 –> 00:28:03.000
make some of the same moves as other00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:04.000
managers because I’m not I don’t think as00:28:04.000 –> 00:28:06.000
fast. As some of these guys do.00:28:07.000 –> 00:28:09.000
But that’s that’s part of the preparation. Just00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:12.000
watching. And it’s it’s a lot easier00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:14.000
doing the games the more you do. So00:28:15.000 –> 00:28:16.000
the the reps that I got this past00:28:16.000 –> 00:28:19.000
year, it was it was easier to do00:28:19.000 –> 00:28:21.000
the job because you’re around these guys every00:28:21.000 –> 00:28:23.000
day. You’re watching them every day. When you’re00:28:23.000 –> 00:28:24.000
in and out, it makes it a little00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:25.000
bit more difficult. You feel like not that00:28:25.000 –> 00:28:27.000
you’re not watching at home, but it’s different.00:28:27.000 –> 00:28:28.000
When you get your family running around, you’re00:28:28.000 –> 00:28:31.000
cooking dinner, and like everybody watching games, you00:28:31.000 –> 00:28:34.000
miss certain parts of it, but the repetition00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:36.000
part of it just makes it big. And00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
and that’s one of the other things. I’m00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:40.000
around, I wanna be around the players. They’re00:28:40.000 –> 00:28:42.000
the story. Like, what you’re it’s not about00:28:42.000 –> 00:28:43.000
me. It’s not about what I did. It’s00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:46.000
not about chipping eyes banter and forth, it’s00:28:46.000 –> 00:28:47.000
about what are these guys doing? What are00:28:47.000 –> 00:28:49.000
they going through? What are they working on?00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:51.000
And that is a lot of the preparation00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000
is in being around these guys and getting00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000
that information. And I think too, that prep00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
shows. And, obviously, you love what you do.00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
And I think I know about you the00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:00.000
same thing. You take lots of notes, you00:29:00.000 –> 00:29:01.000
prepare.00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:03.000
That’s important. And that comes across in the00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
microphone. Too. Right? But I I talked to00:29:05.000 –> 00:29:07.000
Chip Carey. He was on the podcast, not00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:09.000
to keep name dropping podcast guest, but, he00:29:09.000 –> 00:29:10.000
said you were one of the biggest00:29:11.000 –> 00:29:13.000
helper. Like, biggest helps for him to embrace00:29:13.000 –> 00:29:15.000
being in the Saint Louis cardinals. Right? You00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:16.000
got a new guy. You’re replacing a guy00:29:16.000 –> 00:29:18.000
that’s twenty four years everybody loved.00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:20.000
That was tough, but he said that about00:29:20.000 –> 00:29:22.000
you. So what was that relationship like for00:29:22.000 –> 00:29:24.000
you and Chip? And then I came into00:29:24.000 –> 00:29:25.000
the booth with you, at spring training this00:29:27.000 –> 00:29:28.000
year. It would have been nice to know00:29:28.000 –> 00:29:30.000
that he’s, like, six six. Oh, he’s enormous.00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
I had no idea. He stood up. I’m,00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:33.000
like, oh, I feel like I’m hanging out00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:35.000
with Fredberg. Yes, dude. Yeah. Except her. Chip00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:36.000
talks a lot more. Exactly.00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:39.000
So what’s that like for you, you guys’00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.000
relationship? Yeah.00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:43.000
It it was really amazing how quickly00:29:44.000 –> 00:29:46.000
things click. Like, between him and I, and00:29:46.000 –> 00:29:48.000
I, hopefully, that’s something that really comes out00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:49.000
on air,00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:52.000
really close, really fast. Now had the good00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:52.000
opportunity00:29:53.000 –> 00:29:55.000
to meet Chip over the years last couple00:29:55.000 –> 00:29:56.000
of times. Okay.00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
And you know how close I am with00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000
with Danny Mack, love him to death. And00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:02.000
Dan was one of my biggest advocates00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:05.000
of doing more games and helping me and00:30:05.000 –> 00:30:05.000
really00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:08.000
really mentored me through through a lot of00:30:08.000 –> 00:30:09.000
things. And I know that there are gonna00:30:09.000 –> 00:30:10.000
be a lot of big things come for00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:12.000
Danny Mac as well, but they made the00:30:12.000 –> 00:30:14.000
change, and I don’t think that you could00:30:14.000 –> 00:30:16.000
have picked anybody better than than Chip Carey.00:30:16.000 –> 00:30:17.000
If you were gonna make that change,00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:18.000
the personality00:30:19.000 –> 00:30:22.000
is fantastic, his energy, his love of life.00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:24.000
And, like, that’s easy to feed off of.00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:25.000
Right. So when you have,00:30:25.000 –> 00:30:27.000
couple of guys that have that sort of00:30:27.000 –> 00:30:30.000
energy. I don’t care if you’re down ten,00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:31.000
nothing in the first inning.00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:34.000
You’re a fan. Do you wanna listen to00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:36.000
a couple of guys just beating a dead00:30:36.000 –> 00:30:38.000
horse early on and negative and down in00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:40.000
the dumps? No. Like, at least I don’t.00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:42.000
I and maybe some some fans do. And00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:44.000
I do get that I get the pushback00:30:44.000 –> 00:30:46.000
of you’re too positive. You don’t say anything00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:49.000
Brad, like, maybe maybe to a certain extent.00:30:51.000 –> 00:30:53.000
But I’d rather just be happy too instead00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:55.000
of and again, I’ll talk about the bad00:30:55.000 –> 00:30:58.000
things that are there. I’ll spin them positive00:30:58.000 –> 00:31:00.000
somehow or another because I want this to00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:02.000
be entertaining. I don’t want you to tune00:31:02.000 –> 00:31:04.000
into a ball game. It’s down. You’re down00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:06.000
five runs and you just go wanna watch00:31:06.000 –> 00:31:08.000
jeopardy. Don’t forget that. Yeah. Stay here. Yeah.00:31:08.000 –> 00:31:10.000
We’ll have some fun. These guys are gonna00:31:10.000 –> 00:31:12.000
put on a show for you and let’s00:31:12.000 –> 00:31:14.000
entertain like at the end of the day,00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:17.000
it’s still an entertainment business. Like I mentioned,00:31:17.000 –> 00:31:20.000
the players, the coach, that’s your product. That’s00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:22.000
what we’re watching and that’s what we’re propping00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:23.000
up. But our job in between all of00:31:23.000 –> 00:31:26.000
that is keep you engaged. Keep you loving00:31:26.000 –> 00:31:29.000
the game. Keep you love the cardinals wanting00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:31.000
to come back, and I wanna build that00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:34.000
relationship. One of the biggest, like, compliments that00:31:34.000 –> 00:31:36.000
I can get is when I meet people,00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:39.000
said, man, I I love listening to you00:31:39.000 –> 00:31:40.000
guys. I would just love to have a00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:42.000
beer with you. Like, I wanna build that00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000
relationship where I’m, like, part of your00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:46.000
your evening. Well, you’re in everybody’s house. Every00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:48.000
night is creepy. You hit really creepy. When00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
I when I talk to kids, I say,00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:51.000
Hey, I’m the voice that puts you to00:31:51.000 –> 00:31:53.000
bed Yeah. Like That’s not real. I mean,00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
that’s what Mike Shannon was. Right? It’s it’s00:31:58.000 –> 00:31:59.000
it’s fun to be part of such a00:31:59.000 –> 00:32:01.000
a legacy line that. And so that we00:32:01.000 –> 00:32:03.000
have so many great people that work around00:32:03.000 –> 00:32:05.000
it. You look at the the radio side00:32:05.000 –> 00:32:08.000
of of things with John rooney and Ricky00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
Horton and Mike Clay warrant. They do such00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:12.000
a fantastic job.00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:14.000
Ship is great to work with. Jim Edmonds00:32:15.000 –> 00:32:16.000
is every time I listen to Jim, I00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
learn something about baseball. He’s just got an00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:19.000
incredible00:32:19.000 –> 00:32:22.000
baseball mind. The entire crew that works over00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:25.000
there is is is great. Alraboski has helped00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:26.000
me out a ton. I’ve got that’s one00:32:26.000 –> 00:32:29.000
of the biggest things that I’ve been so00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:32.000
pleased with and just honestly really impressed by00:32:32.000 –> 00:32:34.000
is how that whole group is in erased00:32:34.000 –> 00:32:37.000
me. New guy coming in.00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:39.000
It’s a competitive industry. There’s only so many00:32:39.000 –> 00:32:41.000
of these jobs. Right? There’s only so many00:32:41.000 –> 00:32:43.000
reps that are out there. And00:32:43.000 –> 00:32:45.000
you know, specifically talk about analyst00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:48.000
guys, Rick Horton and Alraboski have, like, been00:32:48.000 –> 00:32:51.000
my biggest helpers ever. Yeah. Like, I have00:32:51.000 –> 00:32:53.000
a question about something, I can call them00:32:53.000 –> 00:32:55.000
up. They they help me out. Give me00:32:55.000 –> 00:32:57.000
advice. It’s been Which, how cool is that00:32:57.000 –> 00:33:00.000
to think about their character I mean, that00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:02.000
you’re taking games or reps as you say00:33:02.000 –> 00:33:04.000
away from them. Right? And it’s like, here00:33:04.000 –> 00:33:05.000
they are still helping you. Do you think00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:07.000
that’s go ahead. No. I was gonna say,00:33:07.000 –> 00:33:10.000
I that’s but that’s baseball. Yeah. Like, that00:33:10.000 –> 00:33:12.000
is that is the mindset or at least00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:14.000
the mindset of the great ones is00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:17.000
I am gonna I’m trying to pass this00:33:17.000 –> 00:33:19.000
along. Trying to pass this along. Yes. I00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:20.000
wanna do this as long as I can.00:33:20.000 –> 00:33:22.000
Talking about Friday baseball level. I wanna do00:33:22.000 –> 00:33:24.000
it at the highest level, and I’m trying00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:25.000
to to keep my ab ads, keep my00:33:25.000 –> 00:33:28.000
innings, but I also know that someone helped00:33:28.000 –> 00:33:30.000
me get here. Yeah. And I wanna help00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:32.000
this guy get to that spot. And that00:33:32.000 –> 00:33:33.000
guy is gonna help the next guy. And00:33:33.000 –> 00:33:35.000
that’s something we’ve been so blessed with in00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:36.000
the cardinal organization00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:39.000
is they’ve passed these things down, and you’ve00:33:39.000 –> 00:33:41.000
passed down what it means to be a00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000
cardinal, and and what it means to put00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:45.000
on that jersey, Those things don’t happen if00:33:45.000 –> 00:33:47.000
you don’t have players helping each other. And00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:49.000
that’s actually what I was gonna go with.00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:50.000
Wearing the birds in the bat as a00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:53.000
player. Now wearing, quote unquote, wearing the birds00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:54.000
in the bat as an announcer. You can00:33:54.000 –> 00:33:55.000
work for You can work for a suit.00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:57.000
That’d be a nice suit. Nice shirt. Yeah.00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:59.000
We’ll see if there’s dust that made. Somebody00:33:59.000 –> 00:34:00.000
will be less a custom suit guy. Get00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:03.000
Brad a suit with custom bats on it.00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:05.000
What was I saying? The card organization. So,00:34:05.000 –> 00:34:07.000
obviously, you you don’t know they work for00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
the cardinals. I think that’s okay to say00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:10.000
that. Right? Yeah. You work for the ballies.00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
Yeah. You’re employee of ballies. Yeah. But, yeah,00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:14.000
how much does the cardinal organization00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:15.000
run00:34:15.000 –> 00:34:16.000
through00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:16.000
valleys00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
deep into you guys and all that stuff.00:34:18.000 –> 00:34:19.000
Yeah. I think it’s a partnership.00:34:20.000 –> 00:34:20.000
Obviously,00:34:21.000 –> 00:34:22.000
and I I don’t even know what the00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:24.000
logistics of are, but I believe that the,00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:26.000
you know, Carlos are are in on ownership00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:29.000
of that too. Like, they they bought into00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:29.000
that.00:34:30.000 –> 00:34:32.000
But I I feel like they’re they work00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.000
together. Like, that’s kinda how the crew is.00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:36.000
I know that the cardinals have a say00:34:36.000 –> 00:34:38.000
of who is on their airwaves and who’s00:34:38.000 –> 00:34:39.000
talking about their game00:34:40.000 –> 00:34:40.000
and,00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:43.000
I’m I’m so happy that I’ve been able00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:45.000
to carve out a niche and and have00:34:45.000 –> 00:34:47.000
the relationships that I have00:34:47.000 –> 00:34:49.000
with, you know, with people within the organization00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
not, like, just like I did as a00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:53.000
player. Every time that I’m doing a game00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:54.000
now as a broadcaster,00:34:54.000 –> 00:34:56.000
I’m trying to keep my job. Like, I’m00:34:56.000 –> 00:34:58.000
trying I’m trying to get Like, I wanna00:34:58.000 –> 00:35:00.000
get better every day, and I I want00:35:00.000 –> 00:35:03.000
to learn more and more. And I also00:35:03.000 –> 00:35:05.000
realize something’s always coming for this job. Right?00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:07.000
So I wanna put my best foot forward00:35:07.000 –> 00:35:10.000
every single day and just continue to try00:35:10.000 –> 00:35:12.000
to stay in everybody’s good graces and00:35:12.000 –> 00:35:14.000
and do his of a job as I00:35:14.000 –> 00:35:16.000
can. What’s been the most memorable,00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
baseball moment for you as an announcer?00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:21.000
Man, that’s hard. There there have been so00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:23.000
many good ones, especially in the last couple00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000
years. I mean, you you had00:35:25.000 –> 00:35:26.000
being able to be on the call two00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:27.000
years ago00:35:28.000 –> 00:35:30.000
as we knew the future00:35:30.000 –> 00:35:31.000
of Yadi00:35:32.000 –> 00:35:34.000
and Albert, you knew that they were gonna00:35:34.000 –> 00:35:36.000
retire. Didn’t know at the time, the future00:35:36.000 –> 00:35:38.000
of Adam Wayne. Right? But those three walking00:35:38.000 –> 00:35:39.000
off the mound together.00:35:40.000 –> 00:35:43.000
I mean, it’s just an unreal site, a00:35:43.000 –> 00:35:46.000
picture that you’ll see forever in cardinal history.00:35:46.000 –> 00:35:48.000
That is a a big one.00:35:48.000 –> 00:35:50.000
Albert Puhl’s hitting number00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:51.000
07:03,00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:54.000
like the final one Yeah. Was a big00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
one too in Pittsburgh. Now I would say00:35:56.000 –> 00:35:58.000
six ninety nine and seven hundred. Mhmm. But,00:35:58.000 –> 00:36:00.000
you know, I literally thought about you that00:36:00.000 –> 00:36:01.000
night. We were in my basement. We had00:36:01.000 –> 00:36:04.000
people over on Apple TV and my god00:36:04.000 –> 00:36:06.000
sucks. Really Albert, both of them. Couldn’t take00:36:06.000 –> 00:36:07.000
the side off.00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:10.000
That hurt. So that’s that’s one. And maybe00:36:10.000 –> 00:36:12.000
I’ll change this story. It’s like one of00:36:12.000 –> 00:36:14.000
those fishing stories, you know. Like, I was00:36:14.000 –> 00:36:16.000
there. Yes. Because I was in LA. We00:36:16.000 –> 00:36:18.000
were just saying because you did it the00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:19.000
night before. The night before, did it the00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:22.000
night after, Brett. But, yeah, I was watching00:36:22.000 –> 00:36:25.000
that one on my iPad in my hotel00:36:25.000 –> 00:36:26.000
room. And they asked me to say, hey,00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:28.000
you do you wanna take it for the00:36:28.000 –> 00:36:29.000
game? I said, no. I’m I’m going to00:36:29.000 –> 00:36:30.000
games every day. I don’t need to take00:36:30.000 –> 00:36:32.000
it for game? What’s he gonna end it?00:36:32.000 –> 00:36:34.000
It possibly happened tonight. In a couple years00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:35.000
though, that story will be like, yeah, and00:36:35.000 –> 00:36:37.000
he hit the home run. And then do00:36:37.000 –> 00:36:38.000
you remember him going back and giving the00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000
high five that was me? I was there.00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:42.000
It wasn’t Beltrey. It was right. Right.00:36:42.000 –> 00:36:45.000
That was funny. Speaking to Beltran, you said00:36:45.000 –> 00:36:46.000
Beltrey, I think you said. Yeah. I think00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:49.000
you said. Beltran. Yeah. Beltran. What was that?00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:51.000
Moment like I mean, he was a cardinal00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:54.000
killer. Right. Oh, yeah. And two thousand six,00:36:54.000 –> 00:36:55.000
NLCS,00:36:55.000 –> 00:36:57.000
two men on. I think cardinals rep, what,00:36:57.000 –> 00:36:58.000
three to one00:36:58.000 –> 00:37:00.000
bottom of the ninth, tight.00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
I mean, I remember, like, his yesterday watching00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:04.000
that game. What was that like, obviously, being00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
there and having a uniform on? The,00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:10.000
the NLCS and specifically that game seven is00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:11.000
far more memorable00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:13.000
than the world series to me. And I00:37:13.000 –> 00:37:15.000
think that for anybody that was in it,00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
and doing it. Like, that was you go00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
to a game seven. You have so many00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:22.000
ups and downs throughout it. You still remember00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:25.000
the Andy Chavez robbed home run of Scott00:37:25.000 –> 00:37:28.000
Gilliland we’re, like, where did that come from?00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:30.000
Like, Tyler Johnson left handed reliever and myself00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:32.000
were right behind Like, you see you see00:37:32.000 –> 00:37:34.000
Shaba’s arm? We’re right behind that wall on00:37:34.000 –> 00:37:36.000
the bowl family. No. No. I was gonna00:37:36.000 –> 00:37:38.000
catch that. Yes. Yes.00:37:39.000 –> 00:37:42.000
But that, that place was so loud. Shea00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:43.000
was loud. Have have you ever been to00:37:43.000 –> 00:37:45.000
Shea State, anyway? Had you been there? No.00:37:45.000 –> 00:37:48.000
So it was crazy loud. Old school speakers00:37:48.000 –> 00:37:50.000
in center field, Apple would pop up. I’m00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
telling you the place would sway. Like, you00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:54.000
could see it sway. It was just an00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:55.000
energy there was New York. Like, it was00:37:55.000 –> 00:37:56.000
New York, passionate.00:37:57.000 –> 00:37:59.000
Sports fans in the biggest Thompson.00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000
And then Adam Wayne Wright, the rookie00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:04.000
comes in and does that. And I know00:38:04.000 –> 00:38:06.000
you’ve heard Adam talk about him and yachty00:38:06.000 –> 00:38:08.000
going through that. He starts him out with00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000
a change up, which is a pitch that00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:12.000
he never throws. Like, it just it just00:38:12.000 –> 00:38:14.000
had the body’s like, hey, this is the00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:17.000
is the pitch. Do it. And then set00:38:17.000 –> 00:38:19.000
everything else up. Let’s change this whole career00:38:19.000 –> 00:38:20.000
probably. Right? I mean, you think one, the00:38:20.000 –> 00:38:23.000
confidence, but number two, the the confidence to00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
listen to a guy00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:26.000
tells me in this moment to throw a00:38:26.000 –> 00:38:28.000
pitch. It’s not my best pitch that I’m00:38:28.000 –> 00:38:30.000
not the best at. Right? Yeah. Throw it.00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:32.000
Trust it. He did it in then, holy00:38:32.000 –> 00:38:35.000
crap. Yeah. Well, that’s and and remember too,00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:37.000
that was, I mean, what, two years into00:38:37.000 –> 00:38:40.000
Yati’s career. Wasn’t like he was six. He00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:41.000
came up in o he wasn’t the cagey00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:43.000
vet. Yeah. O four. O fours is for00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:45.000
sure. Yeah. Well, he wasn’t like the cagey00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:48.000
veteran at the time. But you already knew00:38:48.000 –> 00:38:50.000
you knew what he was and you knew00:38:50.000 –> 00:38:53.000
the preparation that was there. And Adam had00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:54.000
that trust in him and also had the00:38:54.000 –> 00:38:57.000
trust in his ability. If that’s what you00:38:57.000 –> 00:38:59.000
believe is gonna be right, let’s do it.00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:00.000
And I’m sure that if he felt it00:39:00.000 –> 00:39:02.000
in his hand and he was like, this00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:03.000
isn’t it, he wouldn’t Yeah. You know, but00:39:03.000 –> 00:39:05.000
he he trusted in in yachty. He made00:39:05.000 –> 00:39:07.000
the pitch, then obviously made the pitch with00:39:07.000 –> 00:39:10.000
the biggest breaking ball of his career. Michael00:39:10.000 –> 00:39:12.000
Charlie was probably sure was. But I I00:39:12.000 –> 00:39:14.000
think you bring up a great point. Like,00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:15.000
what if what if that went a different00:39:15.000 –> 00:39:17.000
direction? Right? What what if it00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
Beltran hit it out of the ballpark? Now00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:22.000
I still believe that Adam Wayne, right, a00:39:22.000 –> 00:39:24.000
man of conviction, a man of the he00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
he’s not gonna he’s been knocked down plenty00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:27.000
in his career. I still believe that he00:39:27.000 –> 00:39:30.000
would have carved himself out quite a career.00:39:30.000 –> 00:39:32.000
But what a way to start it? Or00:39:32.000 –> 00:39:35.000
you you do that, and then you transition00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:37.000
into starting cardinal hall You’ll transit one. You00:39:37.000 –> 00:39:39.000
weren’t even to close busy was to close.00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:40.000
Yes. Right. Well, he was, and then is00:39:40.000 –> 00:39:41.000
he got hurt and then he had to00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:43.000
say over. Yeah. So he had to learn00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:44.000
that on the fly. And again, you wanna00:39:44.000 –> 00:39:46.000
talk about mentorship You wanna talk about a00:39:46.000 –> 00:39:48.000
guy that was going through probably one of00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:50.000
the lower times, injured,00:39:51.000 –> 00:39:53.000
hip, everything was was banged up for for00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
Jason Iseringhousen who is, he, one of my00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:56.000
biggest mentors00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:58.000
as a player and one of the best00:39:58.000 –> 00:40:02.000
people I’ve been around, but he he helps00:40:02.000 –> 00:40:04.000
mentor Adam Wayne, right, through that? What it’s00:40:04.000 –> 00:40:06.000
like at the back end of games? What00:40:06.000 –> 00:40:08.000
to expect? The highs, the lows? Like, all00:40:08.000 –> 00:40:11.000
of that. That’s a hard thing to learn.00:40:11.000 –> 00:40:14.000
When you are you’re like a middle relief00:40:14.000 –> 00:40:16.000
guy, you have a safety net. Your team00:40:16.000 –> 00:40:18.000
could come back and, you know, you gave00:40:18.000 –> 00:40:19.000
up three, but who cares? You guys are00:40:19.000 –> 00:40:21.000
like, well, we won. Like, do that as00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:22.000
a closer,00:40:22.000 –> 00:40:25.000
you lose. Yeah. And then you’re you’re the00:40:25.000 –> 00:40:27.000
goat and not the good one. Yeah. And00:40:27.000 –> 00:40:28.000
then you gotta come back the next day00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:30.000
and you have to have the right mindset.00:40:30.000 –> 00:40:31.000
I think that was a learned mindset. It’s00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:34.000
all So Adam Wainwright just has that something00:40:34.000 –> 00:40:36.000
special. He’s just just get the x built00:40:36.000 –> 00:40:37.000
that way. Of course.00:40:37.000 –> 00:40:40.000
But having that mentor early, I think helped00:40:40.000 –> 00:40:42.000
him as well. Yeah. So talk about the00:40:42.000 –> 00:40:43.000
adrenaline of that. You know, I’m one of00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
these guys that I watch sports, and man,00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:47.000
I feel the moment. Like, you know, I00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:50.000
just would dream about walking into that stadium00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:52.000
or walking out of that cord or making00:40:52.000 –> 00:40:53.000
that putt. Whatever it is,00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:56.000
I feel the adrenaline at a much different00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:58.000
level, obviously. But you can feel it. So00:40:58.000 –> 00:41:00.000
for you, having the adrenaline, man, you know,00:41:01.000 –> 00:41:02.000
phone rings, they call it up. Brad, you’re00:41:02.000 –> 00:41:04.000
coming in. Game’s online. Right? You’re coming in.00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:06.000
You’re walking out of that fence. You gotta00:41:06.000 –> 00:41:08.000
run to the bull or run to the00:41:08.000 –> 00:41:11.000
pitcher’s mound. Like, that adrenaline explained that adrenaline00:41:11.000 –> 00:41:13.000
Gilliland how hard was that to know that00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:15.000
you I mean, you’ll probably never feel that00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:19.000
adrenaline again. Yeah. Look, aside from the camaraderie.00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:21.000
And thankfully, in the job that I have,00:41:21.000 –> 00:41:24.000
I get that. I still get that around00:41:24.000 –> 00:41:26.000
the ballpark, hanging out with the guys, like,00:41:26.000 –> 00:41:29.000
are the broadcast crews, our own team. We00:41:29.000 –> 00:41:31.000
all hang out, everybody on the road, go00:41:31.000 –> 00:41:32.000
out. And so it’s so I get the00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:34.000
camaraderie part of it still.00:41:34.000 –> 00:41:36.000
The adrenaline aspect,00:41:36.000 –> 00:41:38.000
I have not been able to find that00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:39.000
in life. Like, I don’t know what that00:41:39.000 –> 00:41:42.000
is. And I you brought up the perfect00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:43.000
example of the phone ring.00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:47.000
Like, pavlov’s dog. It’s like, is it me?00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:48.000
Is it me? Is it me? And then00:41:48.000 –> 00:41:51.000
it’s you. It’s like, boom, get up, start00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:54.000
throwing. It’s such a it’s such an amazing00:41:54.000 –> 00:41:57.000
feeling. It’s such an exciting feeling, and everything00:41:57.000 –> 00:41:59.000
just starts beating a little faster. Right? But00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:02.000
it’s it’s still controlled. Yep. But it is00:42:02.000 –> 00:42:04.000
energetic. It’s exciting.00:42:04.000 –> 00:42:06.000
And I like there are things in my00:42:06.000 –> 00:42:08.000
life that excited about. There are plenty of00:42:08.000 –> 00:42:10.000
things in my life that I’m passionate about.00:42:10.000 –> 00:42:11.000
There are not too many things that I00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:13.000
have found. And maybe that’s your next big00:42:13.000 –> 00:42:15.000
idea, Brett. You find that find that adrenaline00:42:15.000 –> 00:42:15.000
factor.00:42:16.000 –> 00:42:18.000
Get that going, but I do miss that.00:42:18.000 –> 00:42:21.000
I I miss that that energy of going00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:24.000
in. And then that feeling, and and honestly00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:27.000
even even the bad day, Right? It’s it’s00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:28.000
a different feeling. Like, you went out there00:42:28.000 –> 00:42:31.000
and you gave everything that you had in00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:32.000
what we all know is a game. Right?00:42:32.000 –> 00:42:34.000
There are bigger things that are going on00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:36.000
in the world. But in your world right00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
there, just like anybody that is going to00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:39.000
their job, that’s your world. That’s a big00:42:39.000 –> 00:42:41.000
deal. Others might not look at it as00:42:41.000 –> 00:42:42.000
a big deal, but to you is and00:42:42.000 –> 00:42:45.000
it should be when you put everything out00:42:45.000 –> 00:42:46.000
there on the line and you just let00:42:46.000 –> 00:42:48.000
the chips fall where they make, like, that’s00:42:48.000 –> 00:42:50.000
a freeing feeling Yeah. When you have that.00:42:50.000 –> 00:42:51.000
That’s it’s it’s incredible.00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:54.000
Let’s see what I’m trying to think the00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
next question I wanted to ask here. So00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:57.000
so how did you,00:42:58.000 –> 00:42:59.000
when you talked about the camaraderie,00:43:00.000 –> 00:43:01.000
how do you how do you stay a00:43:01.000 –> 00:43:03.000
student in the game with what you’re doing00:43:03.000 –> 00:43:04.000
now? And you’ve kinda touched on that, I00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
guess. Yeah. Yes. Continue watching stuff. Yeah. You00:43:06.000 –> 00:43:08.000
have to you have to keep watching, and00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:11.000
you to be willing to change too. Yeah.00:43:11.000 –> 00:43:12.000
You know, I mentioned earlier some of the00:43:12.000 –> 00:43:15.000
the data and the analytics, and I’m sure00:43:15.000 –> 00:43:17.000
that a lot of baseball fans, and especially00:43:17.000 –> 00:43:19.000
in St. Louis, you you’ve got an old00:43:19.000 –> 00:43:21.000
school baseball fan. Right. You have got, you00:43:21.000 –> 00:43:22.000
know, Bob Gibson,00:43:22.000 –> 00:43:26.000
Lou Brock, Ozzie, Smith. Like, yes, legends. And,00:43:26.000 –> 00:43:28.000
like, that’s the style of baseball that you00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:31.000
like is throwback in old school. Things have00:43:31.000 –> 00:43:34.000
changed. Okay? It’s It’s three true outcomes. It’s00:43:34.000 –> 00:43:37.000
home run, strikeouts, and walks. It’s missing bats00:43:37.000 –> 00:43:39.000
as a pitcher. It is velocity.00:43:39.000 –> 00:43:42.000
It’s spin rates. It’s exit velocity. City. It’s00:43:42.000 –> 00:43:45.000
all of these different things. And I can’t00:43:45.000 –> 00:43:48.000
be again, talk about a job is to00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
grow the game. Mhmm. I can’t sit there00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:52.000
and be like, that doesn’t anything. That doesn’t00:43:52.000 –> 00:43:53.000
matter. It does matter. Like, and it does00:43:53.000 –> 00:43:56.000
mean something. These evaluators are evaluating off of00:43:56.000 –> 00:43:59.000
some of these things. Scouts are scouting off00:43:59.000 –> 00:44:01.000
of some of these things. Guys are getting00:44:01.000 –> 00:44:03.000
paid off of a lot of these different00:44:03.000 –> 00:44:04.000
power numbers that are out there. It means00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:07.000
something to a lot of these different So00:44:07.000 –> 00:44:08.000
one of my biggest things that I try00:44:08.000 –> 00:44:09.000
to do is,00:44:10.000 –> 00:44:11.000
even if it’s something I’ll read on the00:44:11.000 –> 00:44:13.000
surface first or or see a new stat00:44:13.000 –> 00:44:16.000
come out, like, that seems stupid. Let me00:44:16.000 –> 00:44:18.000
dig into it at least. Like, let me00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:20.000
let me open my exactly. Let me continue00:44:20.000 –> 00:44:22.000
to learn about this. Or let me figure00:44:22.000 –> 00:44:25.000
out a way where I can feed it00:44:25.000 –> 00:44:27.000
to a viewer or somebody just passing by00:44:27.000 –> 00:44:28.000
and say, hey, you know, what does this00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:31.000
mean? Say, let me make it make sense00:44:31.000 –> 00:44:32.000
to them and make it matter to them.00:44:32.000 –> 00:44:35.000
Yeah. Where it matters to people in, like,00:44:35.000 –> 00:44:36.000
the analytics community. But,00:44:37.000 –> 00:44:38.000
I try to keep up as much as00:44:38.000 –> 00:44:40.000
I can with all of the other teams00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:42.000
in baseball. I get home. I’m watching MLB00:44:42.000 –> 00:44:44.000
network, like every other baseball fan, because a00:44:44.000 –> 00:44:47.000
lot like playing. And he’s, like, turn that00:44:47.000 –> 00:44:48.000
crap off. Oh, yeah. For sure. I’m I00:44:48.000 –> 00:44:49.000
have to go in the basement. I go00:44:49.000 –> 00:44:50.000
home. I go the basement.00:44:51.000 –> 00:44:53.000
But a lot like playing, I can’t just00:44:53.000 –> 00:44:54.000
go home after a game. I don’t care00:44:54.000 –> 00:44:56.000
how long the game was. I can’t just00:44:56.000 –> 00:44:58.000
go to sleep. There has to be that00:44:58.000 –> 00:44:58.000
unwinding00:44:58.000 –> 00:45:01.000
period because that’s as close as I get00:45:01.000 –> 00:45:02.000
to the adrenaline now that we were just00:45:02.000 –> 00:45:05.000
talking about that in my ear, right, in00:45:05.000 –> 00:45:07.000
the headset, three, two, one,00:45:08.000 –> 00:45:10.000
live. And, like, boom. Okay. Here we go.00:45:10.000 –> 00:45:12.000
Like, this is real. Brad don’t say any00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:12.000
bad words.00:45:14.000 –> 00:45:15.000
This is the same about a bad tension.00:45:15.000 –> 00:45:17.000
Yes. That’s I don’t wanna get used to00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
it here though. Right. Exactly. And then and00:45:19.000 –> 00:45:21.000
then do it, do it a little bit.00:45:21.000 –> 00:45:23.000
Well, Brett said. Yeah.00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:26.000
Talk about the pitch clock. Did that change00:45:26.000 –> 00:45:28.000
the game this year? It did. It it00:45:28.000 –> 00:45:30.000
it did and00:45:30.000 –> 00:45:33.000
being an old school base. Spall person. I00:45:33.000 –> 00:45:35.000
hated the idea. Yeah. Hate the concept of00:45:35.000 –> 00:45:38.000
it. I liked being able to be that00:45:38.000 –> 00:45:40.000
high horse guy, Brett, where it’s like, well,00:45:40.000 –> 00:45:42.000
we’re the only game that doesn’t have o’clock.00:45:42.000 –> 00:45:44.000
Oh, yeah. Yeah. We’re not. Now we’re not.00:45:44.000 –> 00:45:45.000
But00:45:45.000 –> 00:45:46.000
from00:45:46.000 –> 00:45:48.000
and this isn’t just a broadcaster00:45:48.000 –> 00:45:50.000
standpoint. Look, I get a half hour backup00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:52.000
night. It seems like. True.00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
So that part of it is nice, but00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:56.000
I really do believe the game wasn’t meant00:45:56.000 –> 00:45:59.000
to take three hours every Right. We we’ve00:45:59.000 –> 00:46:01.000
slowed things down, and a lot of it00:46:01.000 –> 00:46:03.000
has been the information slows it down. Like,00:46:03.000 –> 00:46:06.000
a lot of that takes time and the00:46:06.000 –> 00:46:06.000
evolution00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:09.000
of the utilization of bowl pens where it’s00:46:09.000 –> 00:46:12.000
match ups in the six, seven, eight, nine.00:46:12.000 –> 00:46:15.000
We’ll do it again. Exactly. And, obviously, that00:46:15.000 –> 00:46:16.000
rule changed too at least with the three00:46:16.000 –> 00:46:18.000
better minimum a couple of years ago. So00:46:18.000 –> 00:46:20.000
that sped things up. But I really don’t.00:46:20.000 –> 00:46:22.000
There’s no reason00:46:22.000 –> 00:46:25.000
to be out there and hold the ball00:46:25.000 –> 00:46:27.000
for thirty seconds. Yeah. Like, there’s not. Now00:46:27.000 –> 00:46:30.000
I don’t like the limited takeoffs. I don’t00:46:30.000 –> 00:46:31.000
I don’t enjoy that. I think that you00:46:31.000 –> 00:46:33.000
should be able to do that ten times00:46:33.000 –> 00:46:34.000
in a row if you want to. I00:46:34.000 –> 00:46:36.000
also believe that the pitcher should be granted00:46:36.000 –> 00:46:38.000
a time out just like they or his00:46:38.000 –> 00:46:40.000
grand time out. I feel like that should00:46:40.000 –> 00:46:41.000
be a thing. Great point. It just doesn’t00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:44.000
make sense. Right? She writes that in being,00:46:44.000 –> 00:46:45.000
I I put it in Rob Manford’s,00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:48.000
little his box out there, the suggestion box.00:46:48.000 –> 00:46:50.000
We’ll see we’ll see how it goes. I00:46:50.000 –> 00:46:51.000
think a lot of pitchers have been beating00:46:51.000 –> 00:46:53.000
that drum, but that I think that’s something00:46:53.000 –> 00:46:54.000
that might end up happening.00:46:54.000 –> 00:46:56.000
At some point, but I do think that00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:57.000
the pitch clock,00:46:57.000 –> 00:46:59.000
it did a good job of speeding things00:46:59.000 –> 00:47:01.000
up. And I really do believe, and I00:47:01.000 –> 00:47:04.000
don’t know if there’s actually hard data to00:47:04.000 –> 00:47:05.000
back this up. I’m sure there is because00:47:05.000 –> 00:47:07.000
there’s data for everything now.00:47:07.000 –> 00:47:07.000
It’s00:47:08.000 –> 00:47:11.000
I think that it has affected the hitters00:47:11.000 –> 00:47:14.000
as much if not more than the pitchers.00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:16.000
Do you have a lot of hitters that00:47:16.000 –> 00:47:18.000
take their sweet time getting into the box00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:22.000
redoing their batting glove. Fifty times.00:47:22.000 –> 00:47:23.000
Skip Schumacher,00:47:24.000 –> 00:47:26.000
manager of the year. Congratulations00:47:26.000 –> 00:47:28.000
to help. But they’re guys and skip will00:47:28.000 –> 00:47:29.000
do it Alright? Skip being in the box00:47:29.000 –> 00:47:31.000
too. If there’s some guys that would take00:47:31.000 –> 00:47:33.000
such a long time doing stuff like that,00:47:33.000 –> 00:47:35.000
there’s no need for it. Get the box,00:47:35.000 –> 00:47:36.000
get ready to hit. Get on the mound,00:47:36.000 –> 00:47:37.000
get ready to throw00:47:37.000 –> 00:47:40.000
Now, the the only one that I’m, again,00:47:40.000 –> 00:47:42.000
I’m not sure I love is the pick00:47:42.000 –> 00:47:44.000
offs. And I think that one of the00:47:44.000 –> 00:47:45.000
biggest weapons00:47:46.000 –> 00:47:48.000
that a pitcher has again, I understand why00:47:48.000 –> 00:47:49.000
baseball is doing it. They want to speed00:47:49.000 –> 00:47:51.000
up the game, but they also wanna add00:47:51.000 –> 00:47:53.000
more excitement stolen bases are exciting. One of00:47:53.000 –> 00:47:55.000
the biggest weapons that you have though with00:47:55.000 –> 00:47:57.000
runners on base is your ability to hold00:47:57.000 –> 00:47:58.000
the baseball.00:47:58.000 –> 00:48:00.000
So if you are there and you got00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:01.000
a burner at first base, if you can00:48:01.000 –> 00:48:04.000
just hold the Gilliland a few seconds feels00:48:04.000 –> 00:48:05.000
like an attorney for a base stealer that’s00:48:05.000 –> 00:48:07.000
ready to move. Back and slow them down.00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:09.000
Yeah. Now you have a countdown.00:48:09.000 –> 00:48:11.000
So that means that the next time you00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:12.000
go quicker. So you keep getting with your00:48:12.000 –> 00:48:14.000
kid for sure. Yeah. For sure. So that00:48:14.000 –> 00:48:17.000
changes a little bit, but you still have00:48:17.000 –> 00:48:19.000
twenty seconds. Now they’re talking about bringing that00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:22.000
down to eighteen with with runners on. You00:48:22.000 –> 00:48:24.000
still have the ability to do it. You00:48:24.000 –> 00:48:25.000
just have to mix it up a little00:48:25.000 –> 00:48:27.000
more. You know what? Drives me nuts. I00:48:27.000 –> 00:48:28.000
don’t know why it drives me. I’m like,00:48:28.000 –> 00:48:30.000
the old man, Brett, getting mad at the00:48:30.000 –> 00:48:31.000
shit baseball players.00:48:31.000 –> 00:48:32.000
When they pull, you know, they get their00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
back pocket and they’re pulling Carda. I mean,00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:36.000
I understand what they’re doing, but I’m like,00:48:36.000 –> 00:48:38.000
at what point do we not let’s just00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
work. We’re professional athlete, and we gotta put00:48:40.000 –> 00:48:42.000
some work in, and it’s not some guy00:48:42.000 –> 00:48:43.000
hitting me car and say, okay. When this00:48:43.000 –> 00:48:45.000
guy’s up, then you’re gonna stand. He like,00:48:45.000 –> 00:48:47.000
like, I I just missed the gut feeling00:48:47.000 –> 00:48:49.000
and doing what you think she should do.00:48:49.000 –> 00:48:51.000
That’s part of the game. Yeah. And,00:48:51.000 –> 00:48:53.000
I I agree with that. I think there00:48:53.000 –> 00:48:55.000
are a few things. I think that we00:48:55.000 –> 00:48:57.000
get so caught up and he’s supposed to00:48:57.000 –> 00:48:59.000
do this. That when he does the other00:48:59.000 –> 00:49:02.000
thing, we’re not ready. Yeah. So letting those00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:02.000
instincts,00:49:03.000 –> 00:49:05.000
letting that athleticism take over I think is00:49:05.000 –> 00:49:07.000
important. It just goes back to where is00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:09.000
the fine line. I think that if you00:49:09.000 –> 00:49:12.000
are if you’re neglecting the data and all00:49:12.000 –> 00:49:14.000
of the things that have happened, you’re doing00:49:14.000 –> 00:49:16.000
it wrong. If you’re just going fully on00:49:16.000 –> 00:49:18.000
gut instinct, you’re doing it wrong. Where’s that00:49:18.000 –> 00:49:20.000
middle ground? Where where can we find out00:49:20.000 –> 00:49:22.000
where we still allow the athleticism?00:49:22.000 –> 00:49:24.000
We give you the prior knowledge tendencies,00:49:25.000 –> 00:49:27.000
but you know that anything could happen.00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:29.000
So I I00:49:29.000 –> 00:49:31.000
I like that part because our athletes now00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:34.000
in the game of baseball they’re bigger, stronger,00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:35.000
faster, more athletic than they ever have been00:49:35.000 –> 00:49:38.000
before. We’re not seeing it. We don’t see00:49:38.000 –> 00:49:40.000
that athleticism anymore. And I think that that00:49:40.000 –> 00:49:41.000
was part of the idea00:49:41.000 –> 00:49:43.000
of limiting the shift00:49:43.000 –> 00:49:46.000
is having more rangey athletes00:49:46.000 –> 00:49:47.000
is not having00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:50.000
a second baseman standing in right field when00:49:50.000 –> 00:49:52.000
a guy hits absolute missile that was00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:54.000
used to be a hit. Well, just about00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
really, man. Carpenter’s great. Oh, for sure.00:49:57.000 –> 00:49:59.000
For sure. So, again, I don’t know if00:49:59.000 –> 00:50:01.000
like that either, the limiting of the shot.00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:03.000
I go back and forth because,00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:04.000
like, in my brain,00:50:04.000 –> 00:50:07.000
I say evolve. Right? Evolve as a hitter.00:50:07.000 –> 00:50:08.000
Yep. They’re all standing over there, hit it00:50:08.000 –> 00:50:10.000
over that’s what I don’t understand. I’m like,00:50:10.000 –> 00:50:12.000
for Carpenter, I’d be yelling at the TV00:50:12.000 –> 00:50:13.000
like that stupid fan. I’m like, if they’re00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
all over there, just slap that thing down00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
the line and fix it. Couple of things.00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
Right? Couple of things that go into. And00:50:19.000 –> 00:50:20.000
it hearkens back to when I said it00:50:20.000 –> 00:50:22.000
looks easy from up here when I’m watching00:50:22.000 –> 00:50:24.000
the game. So I wouldn’t even stand at00:50:24.000 –> 00:50:26.000
the batter’s house. I’d be scared to death.00:50:26.000 –> 00:50:27.000
A lot of times, they say, Hey, just00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:29.000
hit a ground ball the other way. Well,00:50:30.000 –> 00:50:30.000
the pitcher00:50:30.000 –> 00:50:33.000
knows what your tendency is. They that you’re00:50:33.000 –> 00:50:35.000
a pull hitter. They’re gonna pitch you to00:50:35.000 –> 00:50:36.000
it. You’re gonna get a lot of cutters00:50:36.000 –> 00:50:38.000
and you’re gonna get a, they’re gonna let00:50:38.000 –> 00:50:40.000
you hit it that way.00:50:41.000 –> 00:50:43.000
It’s very difficult when somebody’s trying to get00:50:43.000 –> 00:50:44.000
in your kitchen to hit it the other00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:47.000
way. And then the the other part of00:50:47.000 –> 00:50:48.000
it, Brett, is monetarily00:50:49.000 –> 00:50:49.000
monetarily,00:50:50.000 –> 00:50:52.000
you don’t get paid to hit three hundred.00:50:52.000 –> 00:50:55.000
And it sucks to say, but you these00:50:55.000 –> 00:50:57.000
guys get paid for doubles and homers. And00:50:57.000 –> 00:51:00.000
doubles and homers aren’t coming slapping the other00:51:00.000 –> 00:51:03.000
way. So this is this is next level.00:51:03.000 –> 00:51:05.000
This is Rob Manfred and company Brett get00:51:05.000 –> 00:51:07.000
together with, like, Elon Musk or something.00:51:07.000 –> 00:51:09.000
But like how do we incentivize00:51:09.000 –> 00:51:11.000
the game where that does get you paid?00:51:11.000 –> 00:51:13.000
Where it’s it’s the ground ball to the00:51:13.000 –> 00:51:15.000
right side to get the guy over. That’s00:51:15.000 –> 00:51:18.000
quantifiable stat. Like, winning ball, winning baseball should00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:21.000
be the goal all the time. Realize that00:51:21.000 –> 00:51:21.000
people have,00:51:22.000 –> 00:51:25.000
you you have a small window00:51:25.000 –> 00:51:27.000
to go out there make your money. Yep.00:51:27.000 –> 00:51:29.000
And you get it again. It’s strikeouts,00:51:29.000 –> 00:51:32.000
for pitchers, it’s home runs, it’s doubles. But00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:33.000
man, there are times in the game where00:51:33.000 –> 00:51:35.000
I need a ground ball that one side.00:51:35.000 –> 00:51:37.000
Yeah. Where I need that sacrifice fly. I00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:39.000
feel like there’s gotta be a way to00:51:39.000 –> 00:51:41.000
encompass that more into00:51:41.000 –> 00:51:44.000
winning baseball for everybody. And you know, have00:51:44.000 –> 00:51:47.000
a pool of money for for that or00:51:47.000 –> 00:51:49.000
the guy that hits the single and hits00:51:49.000 –> 00:51:51.000
three hundred or, you know, whatever00:51:51.000 –> 00:51:54.000
I feel like we’re losing our complete baseball00:51:54.000 –> 00:51:56.000
players, and it’s not the fact that these00:51:56.000 –> 00:51:58.000
guys can’t do it. Like, that’s the frustrating00:51:58.000 –> 00:52:00.000
part. It’s just the fact that the game00:52:00.000 –> 00:52:02.000
doesn’t benefit them doing it. Yeah. That’s a00:52:02.000 –> 00:52:03.000
good point. That’s a good point. So do00:52:03.000 –> 00:52:05.000
we talk about the, O’Tani deal? I mean,00:52:05.000 –> 00:52:06.000
do we do we dare go there? I00:52:06.000 –> 00:52:07.000
mean,00:52:07.000 –> 00:52:09.000
I should play better. That’s one of the00:52:09.000 –> 00:52:11.000
one of the first things that I think00:52:11.000 –> 00:52:12.000
about. Well, you should have been a right00:52:12.000 –> 00:52:14.000
fielder as well as a person. I think00:52:14.000 –> 00:52:16.000
so. And talent did. And, yes, No. That00:52:17.000 –> 00:52:19.000
those all would be good. Seven year, seventy00:52:19.000 –> 00:52:20.000
million dollar deal with what was it? Sixty00:52:20.000 –> 00:52:20.000
eight per deferred? Yeah.00:52:24.000 –> 00:52:26.000
That’s So here’s my my question. And you’re00:52:26.000 –> 00:52:28.000
the financial Gilliland so here’s what I don’t00:52:28.000 –> 00:52:30.000
understand. Maybe you know this, maybe you don’t.00:52:30.000 –> 00:52:32.000
And I haven’t read it in to see00:52:32.000 –> 00:52:33.000
if it’s out there. So if I’m the00:52:33.000 –> 00:52:35.000
fan, let me go on my soapbox for00:52:35.000 –> 00:52:36.000
a minute. If I’m the fan, that’s just00:52:36.000 –> 00:52:38.000
great for the net. Is it seven years00:52:38.000 –> 00:52:39.000
or ten years, whatever it is? Oh, yeah.00:52:39.000 –> 00:52:41.000
I’m sorry. Ten years. Yeah. Ten years, seven00:52:41.000 –> 00:52:42.000
hundred hundred million.00:52:42.000 –> 00:52:44.000
I’m excited for the next ten years, assuming00:52:44.000 –> 00:52:45.000
it stays healthy.00:52:46.000 –> 00:52:48.000
But what about the eleventh year? Right? So00:52:48.000 –> 00:52:50.000
now the guy is getting paid sixty eight00:52:50.000 –> 00:52:51.000
million dollars.00:52:51.000 –> 00:52:53.000
To not play for you. They they talked00:52:53.000 –> 00:52:54.000
about Bobby Baniya,00:52:55.000 –> 00:52:57.000
like his deal, right, with the Mets? Remember00:52:57.000 –> 00:52:58.000
that one? Yep. Still getting paid, I think.00:52:59.000 –> 00:53:01.000
But point is is now I’m paying sixty00:53:01.000 –> 00:53:02.000
eight million dollars. So number one, I don’t00:53:02.000 –> 00:53:03.000
know if I liked that as a fan.00:53:03.000 –> 00:53:04.000
But number two,00:53:05.000 –> 00:53:07.000
as the financial guy, O’Tani, is I’d rather00:53:07.000 –> 00:53:09.000
have my seventy million today00:53:10.000 –> 00:53:12.000
because my fear would be, what if what00:53:12.000 –> 00:53:14.000
if they’re not around? Obviously, the dodgers probably00:53:14.000 –> 00:53:15.000
aren’t going anywhere. Yeah. That’s what you think00:53:15.000 –> 00:53:17.000
Right? What if they’re not there? So I00:53:17.000 –> 00:53:18.000
don’t know if they buy an insurance policy00:53:18.000 –> 00:53:20.000
on that, but he’s putting a lot of00:53:20.000 –> 00:53:23.000
trust in the Los Angeles Dodgers to, to00:53:23.000 –> 00:53:24.000
pay me pay me in ten years. Brad,00:53:24.000 –> 00:53:25.000
I didn’t even think about that.00:53:26.000 –> 00:53:27.000
That’s why I have guys like you. That’s00:53:27.000 –> 00:53:30.000
right. They’re thinking about things like this. So,00:53:30.000 –> 00:53:32.000
what what are the ways, I guess, that00:53:32.000 –> 00:53:34.000
he is able to do this, not that00:53:34.000 –> 00:53:35.000
it, like, you want your money and you00:53:35.000 –> 00:53:37.000
wanna be able to utilize it and wanna00:53:37.000 –> 00:53:38.000
be able to grow it. I guess one00:53:38.000 –> 00:53:39.000
of the ways that he’s doing it, they00:53:39.000 –> 00:53:41.000
say he makes at least over fifty million00:53:41.000 –> 00:53:42.000
dollars a year off the field. That helps.00:53:42.000 –> 00:53:44.000
Okay. I shouldn’t know that. To be able00:53:44.000 –> 00:53:45.000
to do that. I figured he wasn’t going00:53:45.000 –> 00:53:47.000
broke. No. But chances are. I think I00:53:47.000 –> 00:53:48.000
was I was looking at this the other00:53:48.000 –> 00:53:50.000
day. I think that with the00:53:51.000 –> 00:53:53.000
the two million that he’s technically making. As00:53:53.000 –> 00:53:55.000
you and I were talking before the podcast,00:53:55.000 –> 00:53:57.000
though, like, it’ll it’ll cost more or it’ll00:53:57.000 –> 00:53:59.000
look like more Yeah. At least when they00:53:59.000 –> 00:54:01.000
do the luxury tax, whatever. But for the00:54:01.000 –> 00:54:03.000
two million that he’s making, I think he’s,00:54:03.000 –> 00:54:05.000
like, the tenth or eleventh highest paid player00:54:05.000 –> 00:54:07.000
on the Dodgers. Right? Now. Like, it’s it’s00:54:07.000 –> 00:54:09.000
it’s kind of a silly figure that is00:54:09.000 –> 00:54:12.000
out there. But, yeah, I I don’t know.00:54:12.000 –> 00:54:14.000
I don’t know how this shakes out at00:54:14.000 –> 00:54:15.000
the end of it. I don’t know how00:54:15.000 –> 00:54:17.000
it works out for him, but I do00:54:17.000 –> 00:54:19.000
know it allows the dodgers a team with00:54:19.000 –> 00:54:21.000
a lot of financial flexibility anyhow, obviously, to00:54:21.000 –> 00:54:23.000
be able to sign a deal like this.00:54:23.000 –> 00:54:24.000
At some point, you’re gonna to pay the00:54:24.000 –> 00:54:26.000
piper. Yeah. But it also allows them to00:54:26.000 –> 00:54:28.000
go out there and add more pieces. You00:54:28.000 –> 00:54:30.000
know, they already made the Brad. They brought00:54:30.000 –> 00:54:33.000
in glass now. Yeah. And they signed him00:54:33.000 –> 00:54:36.000
to an extension. Apparently, they’re still in on00:54:36.000 –> 00:54:36.000
Yamamoto00:54:37.000 –> 00:54:39.000
Yeah. Which is crazy. And who knows, by00:54:39.000 –> 00:54:41.000
the time somebody watches this, maybe Yamamoto has00:54:41.000 –> 00:54:43.000
signed. Right. He’s met with a few different00:54:43.000 –> 00:54:44.000
teams. Don’t believe the cardinals are one of00:54:44.000 –> 00:54:46.000
them at this point. Maybe maybe they are00:54:46.000 –> 00:54:48.000
the mystery team. We’ll go with that mystery00:54:48.000 –> 00:54:52.000
team, but, it’s if you are able to00:54:52.000 –> 00:54:54.000
structure a deal like that, it sure does00:54:54.000 –> 00:54:56.000
provide your team some flexibility. And I wonder00:54:56.000 –> 00:54:58.000
I wonder, like, what doors is this gonna,00:54:59.000 –> 00:55:01.000
like, or this Pandora’s box. Yeah. Like doing00:55:01.000 –> 00:55:01.000
sixty00:55:02.000 –> 00:55:04.000
dollars. They’re gonna be able to get. They’ll00:55:04.000 –> 00:55:05.000
pay for that. Yeah. They’ll pay for that.00:55:05.000 –> 00:55:08.000
That’s why, I mean, unfortunately, Anutani can’t, like,00:55:08.000 –> 00:55:10.000
as he can. But to come to Saint00:55:10.000 –> 00:55:11.000
Louis is gonna be hard versus you gotta00:55:11.000 –> 00:55:13.000
be in LA or New York for that00:55:13.000 –> 00:55:14.000
amount of money. You would think. You would00:55:14.000 –> 00:55:17.000
think so. Right? So, I’m00:55:17.000 –> 00:55:19.000
I’m interested to see it. Like, I I’m00:55:19.000 –> 00:55:21.000
looking forward to you. Think about that lineup.00:55:21.000 –> 00:55:23.000
You think about three guys or you have00:55:23.000 –> 00:55:24.000
three hall of famers in a row. You00:55:24.000 –> 00:55:27.000
got you got Muokey Brett Shohaeotani and Freddie00:55:27.000 –> 00:55:28.000
Freeman? Stop.00:55:28.000 –> 00:55:30.000
It’s incredible. Yeah. You know who’s gonna be00:55:30.000 –> 00:55:32.000
calling his game. Who’s that? Brad Thompson?00:55:33.000 –> 00:55:35.000
That’ll be fun. I mean, right? Hope I00:55:35.000 –> 00:55:37.000
get the Dodgers series. Did and that who00:55:37.000 –> 00:55:39.000
we open it against? Oh, yeah. In LA,00:55:40.000 –> 00:55:42.000
right in the beginning. I mean, Brett It’s00:55:42.000 –> 00:55:44.000
no hate time. Because he he’ll be, yeah,00:55:44.000 –> 00:55:46.000
he’s back. He just has the DH next00:55:46.000 –> 00:55:47.000
year. Right? Just the DH. But he’ll be00:55:47.000 –> 00:55:48.000
he’ll be ready for opening day. Real quick.00:55:48.000 –> 00:55:50.000
Yeah. And he will be.00:55:50.000 –> 00:55:52.000
That’s one of the that’s another thing. You00:55:52.000 –> 00:55:54.000
wanna think about this investment. That just tells00:55:54.000 –> 00:55:55.000
you off the field they’re gonna make all00:55:55.000 –> 00:55:56.000
their money. They’re they’re gonna be fine. You00:55:56.000 –> 00:55:58.000
have a lot of smart people crunching the00:55:58.000 –> 00:56:00.000
over there, with the Dodgers.00:56:01.000 –> 00:56:02.000
What what if he doesn’t pitch again? I00:56:02.000 –> 00:56:05.000
know. He he’s had two elbow surgeries. He’s00:56:05.000 –> 00:56:07.000
had Tommy John, and then he’s had whatever00:56:07.000 –> 00:56:09.000
this last one was, which that they’ve kept00:56:09.000 –> 00:56:10.000
close to the vest. Obviously, the Dodgers have00:56:10.000 –> 00:56:13.000
to know exactly what he Brad. But that’s00:56:13.000 –> 00:56:15.000
a lot. That is an enormous risk, but00:56:15.000 –> 00:56:18.000
it just tells you that unicorn that Shohae00:56:18.000 –> 00:56:21.000
O’Tani is, that even with the murkiness of00:56:21.000 –> 00:56:22.000
the future, it makes them it’s not murky00:56:22.000 –> 00:56:24.000
at all. I just think two surgeries, one00:56:24.000 –> 00:56:25.000
area,00:56:25.000 –> 00:56:27.000
is a little scary when you’re investing like00:56:27.000 –> 00:56:29.000
that. Yeah. Like, that is that is a00:56:29.000 –> 00:56:31.000
lot to be thrown out there. For one00:56:31.000 –> 00:56:32.000
thing, the rehab, I mean, you know that00:56:32.000 –> 00:56:34.000
from experience. Right? I mean, the rehab become00:56:34.000 –> 00:56:36.000
that who knows what’s gonna happen with the00:56:36.000 –> 00:56:39.000
arm? It’s scary, man. So, last question for00:56:39.000 –> 00:56:41.000
you, Brad, is, you think about your amazing00:56:41.000 –> 00:56:43.000
well, now I got two questions for you.00:56:43.000 –> 00:56:44.000
One of them is about your kids. What00:56:44.000 –> 00:56:46.000
what do they think? You know, obviously Dylan00:56:46.000 –> 00:56:48.000
playing baseball and stuff now. I’m sure your00:56:48.000 –> 00:56:50.000
daughter pays attention to that stuff. And what00:56:50.000 –> 00:56:51.000
do they think about Brad00:56:52.000 –> 00:56:54.000
you know, doing what you’re doing now. Yeah.00:56:54.000 –> 00:56:55.000
They,00:56:55.000 –> 00:56:57.000
they’re finally at the point where I think00:56:57.000 –> 00:56:58.000
that they understand00:56:58.000 –> 00:57:00.000
what what it is that I do. And,00:57:00.000 –> 00:57:02.000
as as I mentioned earlier, year. My son00:57:02.000 –> 00:57:04.000
was born Gilliland,00:57:04.000 –> 00:57:06.000
of my career, wasn’t in the big leagues00:57:06.000 –> 00:57:07.000
anymore. So he never got to see that.00:57:07.000 –> 00:57:09.000
And he never, my my kids never got00:57:09.000 –> 00:57:11.000
to come to the field with me and00:57:11.000 –> 00:57:13.000
and go play in the field. Like, stuff00:57:13.000 –> 00:57:14.000
that I I got to see all these00:57:14.000 –> 00:57:16.000
other guys do. Yeah. Or I was like,00:57:16.000 –> 00:57:18.000
look at these old guys. They’re kids.00:57:18.000 –> 00:57:20.000
My kids never got to do that. Yeah.00:57:20.000 –> 00:57:21.000
Like, what a great thing it is for00:57:21.000 –> 00:57:23.000
all these these kids. They get to kinda00:57:23.000 –> 00:57:24.000
grow up in a clubhouse.00:57:25.000 –> 00:57:28.000
Well, I they kinda get a little bit00:57:28.000 –> 00:57:29.000
of that now with me doing what I00:57:29.000 –> 00:57:31.000
do. They can come up to the booth00:57:31.000 –> 00:57:33.000
and kinda see see what that is like.00:57:34.000 –> 00:57:36.000
But I hope they think it’s cool. There00:57:36.000 –> 00:57:38.000
there are downsides to it. Right? Like any00:57:38.000 –> 00:57:39.000
other job. Yep. We were talking about youth00:57:39.000 –> 00:57:41.000
baseball earlier. Unfortunately,00:57:41.000 –> 00:57:44.000
you know, the youth baseball season, which, like,00:57:44.000 –> 00:57:46.000
if perfect world. You know, if I weren’t00:57:46.000 –> 00:57:47.000
doing that, I’d be coaching all the time.00:57:47.000 –> 00:57:49.000
Like, that’s it. I’d be I’d have a00:57:49.000 –> 00:57:51.000
youth academy and be doing all of that.00:57:52.000 –> 00:57:53.000
I miss a lot. I miss a lot00:57:53.000 –> 00:57:55.000
of the kid stuff during the summer, and00:57:55.000 –> 00:57:57.000
that that part of it is very difficult.00:57:57.000 –> 00:57:59.000
And that’s why this time now in the00:57:59.000 –> 00:58:01.000
off season is so great to be home00:58:01.000 –> 00:58:03.000
be able to pour in a lot more.00:58:03.000 –> 00:58:04.000
But I I think that they like it,00:58:04.000 –> 00:58:06.000
but I’ll be honest with you. I think00:58:06.000 –> 00:58:08.000
the biggest thing that they get a kick00:58:08.000 –> 00:58:10.000
out of is that I know Fred Bird.00:58:10.000 –> 00:58:11.000
That’s it. Like that And I do your00:58:11.000 –> 00:58:13.000
show. Fred Bird’s my end. Yeah. I got00:58:13.000 –> 00:58:15.000
the Partners kids TV show. That’s my end.00:58:15.000 –> 00:58:16.000
That’s awesome. And that last question I was00:58:16.000 –> 00:58:19.000
gonna talk about is the community is very00:58:19.000 –> 00:58:21.000
important to you, and you and your, amazing00:58:21.000 –> 00:58:22.000
wife, you guys do awesome stuff for our,00:58:22.000 –> 00:58:24.000
for our community here in Saint Louis. But00:58:24.000 –> 00:58:26.000
when when you think about legacy, I mean,00:58:26.000 –> 00:58:27.000
what do you what do you got the00:58:27.000 –> 00:58:29.000
Thompson family to be known for.00:58:29.000 –> 00:58:32.000
And, what’s important about that to you? Man,00:58:32.000 –> 00:58:33.000
it’s it’s a great question. Honestly, I I’m00:58:33.000 –> 00:58:35.000
not sure how much I’ve actually thought about00:58:35.000 –> 00:58:38.000
leg Like, I thought about down the road.00:58:38.000 –> 00:58:40.000
But I know this, I I don’t ever00:58:40.000 –> 00:58:43.000
wanna be the person that is is walking00:58:43.000 –> 00:58:44.000
up and you’re like, oh, here you go.00:58:44.000 –> 00:58:46.000
Or are, like, I I want to be00:58:46.000 –> 00:58:48.000
somebody that that leaves,00:58:48.000 –> 00:58:51.000
when somebody thinks about me or what I00:58:51.000 –> 00:58:53.000
do, like, they smile. Like, and,00:58:53.000 –> 00:58:56.000
they I wanna bring excitement. I wanna bring00:58:56.000 –> 00:58:58.000
happiness, and I I want to be able00:58:58.000 –> 00:59:00.000
to give back. And I think that that00:59:00.000 –> 00:59:01.000
is important, Brett. And I know that something00:59:01.000 –> 00:59:03.000
that you and your wife do a ton00:59:03.000 –> 00:59:05.000
of in in our community. And, it’s something00:59:05.000 –> 00:59:07.000
that I would love to just build something00:59:07.000 –> 00:59:09.000
more than the right here, the right now,00:59:09.000 –> 00:59:11.000
the the this game. And, you know, that’s00:59:11.000 –> 00:59:12.000
kind of a a process. But I think00:59:12.000 –> 00:59:14.000
it’s also a great example.00:59:14.000 –> 00:59:16.000
You’ve got a, you know, a young family00:59:16.000 –> 00:59:19.000
who learning how important that is that it’s00:59:19.000 –> 00:59:22.000
more so than just the the I am00:59:22.000 –> 00:59:23.000
doing this right now and say, no, what00:59:23.000 –> 00:59:26.000
we doing? What are we doing as a00:59:26.000 –> 00:59:27.000
as a community as a as a people?00:59:27.000 –> 00:59:30.000
So, I’d like to continue to grow that.00:59:30.000 –> 00:59:32.000
But I think that any way that, you00:59:32.000 –> 00:59:34.000
know, I can help in the community. I00:59:34.000 –> 00:59:36.000
like to do. I like to to be00:59:36.000 –> 00:59:38.000
around and I like to just be a00:59:38.000 –> 00:59:40.000
part of things. And it’s special being here,00:59:41.000 –> 00:59:42.000
being a part of the community of Saint00:59:42.000 –> 00:59:44.000
Louis and the greater Saint Louis area00:59:45.000 –> 00:59:45.000
is,00:59:45.000 –> 00:59:48.000
it’s big. But it’s small. Right. It feels00:59:48.000 –> 00:59:50.000
like, a Gilliland it’s it’s nice to be00:59:50.000 –> 00:59:52.000
a part of it. Looking for the date00:59:52.000 –> 00:59:54.000
exactly. I should know that.00:59:54.000 –> 00:59:56.000
But speaking of stuff for the community, for00:59:56.000 –> 00:59:58.000
those listening, February tenth, put that on your00:59:58.000 –> 01:00:01.000
calendar, the the KC Hall in Ofoul in01:00:01.000 –> 01:00:03.000
Illinois, Rock for Hope. Oh, nice. For Hope,01:00:03.000 –> 01:00:06.000
Charity got a Brad, the Nashville All stars01:00:06.000 –> 01:00:08.000
is what we’re calling about. It’s like big01:00:08.000 –> 01:00:10.000
country music people. It’s like their guitar player,01:00:10.000 –> 01:00:12.000
their drummer, their what Yes. When they’re not01:00:12.000 –> 01:00:14.000
traveling with their main people, they come together.01:00:14.000 –> 01:00:16.000
And so they’re coming here from Nashville, Tennessee01:00:17.000 –> 01:00:18.000
on, February tenth01:00:19.000 –> 01:00:20.000
at the KC Hall, we’re gonna raise some01:00:20.000 –> 01:00:22.000
money. We’re gonna kick cancer’s ass and listen01:00:22.000 –> 01:00:24.000
to an amazing band. So maybe you’ll see01:00:24.000 –> 01:00:26.000
Brad Thompson there. Oh, no doubt. If I’m01:00:26.000 –> 01:00:28.000
in town, I’m there. You’re there. How long01:00:28.000 –> 01:00:30.000
have you guys been going with swingpro?01:00:30.000 –> 01:00:31.000
It’s01:00:32.000 –> 01:00:34.000
been amazing, man. It’s a long time. And01:00:34.000 –> 01:00:37.000
so, you know, my the story, my mom’s,01:00:37.000 –> 01:00:40.000
my mom’s mom and her grandma and two01:00:40.000 –> 01:00:41.000
of her aunts were all diagnosed with cancer01:00:41.000 –> 01:00:43.000
at the same time within about a six01:00:43.000 –> 01:00:44.000
or seven month period.01:00:44.000 –> 01:00:46.000
And, so that that was a lot. And01:00:46.000 –> 01:00:47.000
so01:00:47.000 –> 01:00:49.000
we were driving and thinking what are we01:00:49.000 –> 01:00:50.000
gonna do about this? And so we started01:00:50.000 –> 01:00:52.000
our charity. And so with amazing people in01:00:52.000 –> 01:00:54.000
the community, look out the windows here. I01:00:54.000 –> 01:00:55.000
mean, we couldn’t do what we do without01:00:55.000 –> 01:00:57.000
the people on our our board and people01:00:57.000 –> 01:00:59.000
like you that show up to events. It’s01:00:59.000 –> 01:01:01.000
just it’s awesome, man. So thanks for asking.01:01:01.000 –> 01:01:03.000
But it’s, this is about Brad Thompson.01:01:04.000 –> 01:01:06.000
Two thousand twenty four season. What were we01:01:06.000 –> 01:01:06.000
predicting?01:01:07.000 –> 01:01:09.000
More wins. Yeah. More wins. That’s for a01:01:09.000 –> 01:01:11.000
quote. Hey, look. The cardinals, they they made01:01:11.000 –> 01:01:13.000
some additions. I know a lot of people01:01:13.000 –> 01:01:14.000
joking around. I was like, man, they got01:01:14.000 –> 01:01:16.000
older. It got better is is what they01:01:16.000 –> 01:01:18.000
did. And, at this point,01:01:18.000 –> 01:01:21.000
three additions to your rotation, Sunny Gravee, and01:01:21.000 –> 01:01:23.000
the headliner who I think is a fantastic01:01:23.000 –> 01:01:24.000
you have a three year deal for Sunny01:01:24.000 –> 01:01:26.000
Gray guy that knows exactly what he’s doing.01:01:27.000 –> 01:01:28.000
I think that he’s gonna be Brett. Second01:01:28.000 –> 01:01:30.000
in the Sa Young voting last year.01:01:31.000 –> 01:01:33.000
Lancelyn and Kyle Gibson adds certainty in the01:01:33.000 –> 01:01:36.000
middle of your rotation, and especially Lance Lynn01:01:36.000 –> 01:01:38.000
and Kyle Gibson adds leadership for sure. But,01:01:39.000 –> 01:01:42.000
Lance Lynn adds an element that you didn’t01:01:42.000 –> 01:01:44.000
have, somebody that a little porcupine,01:01:44.000 –> 01:01:45.000
a little bristle,01:01:46.000 –> 01:01:48.000
in there that will push back. And I01:01:48.000 –> 01:01:50.000
think that’s an important thing to have club01:01:50.000 –> 01:01:51.000
houses. So I I know that he’s gonna01:01:51.000 –> 01:01:53.000
add that. You picked up a couple of01:01:53.000 –> 01:01:55.000
bullpen arms, wanting to trade with Boston, other01:01:55.000 –> 01:01:57.000
in the rule five draft. I I don’t01:01:57.000 –> 01:01:59.000
believe that they’re done yet when it comes01:01:59.000 –> 01:02:01.000
to the pen. So I’m excited. I’m excited01:02:01.000 –> 01:02:03.000
to see the young guys. I wanna see01:02:03.000 –> 01:02:05.000
a year two of Jordan Walker. Yeah. Can’t01:02:05.000 –> 01:02:07.000
wait to watch Mason win, man short stop01:02:07.000 –> 01:02:09.000
for a season the kid is. So he’ll01:02:09.000 –> 01:02:10.000
start. They already said that. Yeah. I believe01:02:10.000 –> 01:02:12.000
so. Like, that’s the plan, at least, that01:02:12.000 –> 01:02:13.000
he’ll be the guy.01:02:14.000 –> 01:02:17.000
So I’m looking forward to that. Gilliland Aronado,01:02:17.000 –> 01:02:20.000
another year with those guys. Like, everything is01:02:20.000 –> 01:02:21.000
right there for the cardinals01:02:22.000 –> 01:02:24.000
to compete and hopefully win the central. Other01:02:24.000 –> 01:02:26.000
teams have been pretty quiet in the central.01:02:26.000 –> 01:02:28.000
I don’t expect come to stay quiet the01:02:28.000 –> 01:02:30.000
entire time other than hiring Craig Council away01:02:30.000 –> 01:02:33.000
from the Milwaukee brewers, which is crazy. You’re01:02:33.000 –> 01:02:35.000
in division, isn’t it? Yeah. Well, especially how01:02:35.000 –> 01:02:37.000
much money they paid Right? Gave him a01:02:37.000 –> 01:02:39.000
a forty million dollar deal over five years.01:02:39.000 –> 01:02:39.000
Pretty impressive.01:02:40.000 –> 01:02:42.000
So you would believe that they’re not done01:02:42.000 –> 01:02:43.000
adding to it. But I think that they01:02:43.000 –> 01:02:45.000
should be competing for their vision this year.01:02:45.000 –> 01:02:47.000
And I know cardinal fans, like, hate to01:02:47.000 –> 01:02:49.000
hear it because they they wanna talk about01:02:49.000 –> 01:02:51.000
building what the Dodgers Brett. Right? Go out01:02:51.000 –> 01:02:53.000
and just spend all all of this money,01:02:53.000 –> 01:02:54.000
but it is very true. And I think01:02:54.000 –> 01:02:56.000
the Dodgers can tell you this too is01:02:56.000 –> 01:02:58.000
they don’t win the world series every time01:02:58.000 –> 01:03:00.000
they get there, get into the post season,01:03:00.000 –> 01:03:03.000
get yourself and specifically win your division,01:03:03.000 –> 01:03:05.000
win your Gilliland01:03:05.000 –> 01:03:07.000
you never know what’s gonna happen when you01:03:07.000 –> 01:03:09.000
get into October. So that’s the hope this01:03:09.000 –> 01:03:11.000
year that we have a deep run into01:03:11.000 –> 01:03:13.000
October, I think you got the right pieces01:03:13.000 –> 01:03:14.000
to do. And I also know that you01:03:14.000 –> 01:03:16.000
have the right prospect capital. If you get01:03:16.000 –> 01:03:18.000
close to the trade deadline, you believe that01:03:18.000 –> 01:03:19.000
you’re a piece short,01:03:19.000 –> 01:03:21.000
that John Jose logged, Michael Gers, they can01:03:21.000 –> 01:03:22.000
go out and make a deal like. Yeah.01:03:22.000 –> 01:03:24.000
That’s awesome. Where do our listeners find more01:03:24.000 –> 01:03:25.000
of Brad Thompson?01:03:26.000 –> 01:03:28.000
Right here. On this podcast is where you01:03:28.000 –> 01:03:30.000
find out. I’m, hopefully be doing a lot01:03:30.000 –> 01:03:32.000
more games on on Valley sports,01:03:32.000 –> 01:03:33.000
doing a lot of fill in work on01:03:33.000 –> 01:03:36.000
01:01 ESPN as know, I’ve scaled back, but01:03:36.000 –> 01:03:37.000
I can’t stay all the way out. You01:03:37.000 –> 01:03:39.000
know, Andrea doesn’t want me home all the01:03:39.000 –> 01:03:40.000
time, Brad. I gotta be able to get01:03:40.000 –> 01:03:42.000
out of the house. So, hopefully, you hear01:03:42.000 –> 01:03:44.000
me popping up a little bit more here01:03:44.000 –> 01:03:45.000
this new year. Man, thanks so much for01:03:45.000 –> 01:03:47.000
being on the circuit of success. I appreciate01:03:47.000 –> 01:03:49.000
having you. I think I think you might01:03:49.000 –> 01:03:51.000
be the only three time guest because you01:03:51.000 –> 01:03:52.000
were I looked at this last night. Really?01:03:52.000 –> 01:03:54.000
We did this in April.01:03:54.000 –> 01:03:57.000
I started this February six two thousand seventeen.01:03:58.000 –> 01:04:00.000
You were on an April of two thousand01:04:00.000 –> 01:04:01.000
seventeen. I looked, so our kids would have01:04:01.000 –> 01:04:04.000
been, like, three. That my fourth and your01:04:04.000 –> 01:04:06.000
oldest would have been three. And then we01:04:06.000 –> 01:04:06.000
did,01:04:07.000 –> 01:04:08.000
which was a blast for me. Hopefully, it01:04:08.000 –> 01:04:10.000
was fun for you all. Me, you, Jason01:04:10.000 –> 01:04:11.000
Iseringhausen,01:04:12.000 –> 01:04:15.000
Kyle McClellan, Jason Simonachi, and Brian Jordan. That01:04:15.000 –> 01:04:16.000
was a fun one. That was awesome. We’re01:04:16.000 –> 01:04:18.000
all at home. Remember that? It’s supposed to01:04:18.000 –> 01:04:19.000
be open today? It’s supposed to be opening01:04:19.000 –> 01:04:21.000
day for the cardinals, and we had an01:04:21.000 –> 01:04:22.000
amazing, I don’t know, hour and a half,01:04:22.000 –> 01:04:24.000
two hour deal. So that was awesome. So,01:04:24.000 –> 01:04:26.000
brother, thank you for being with us again.01:04:26.000 –> 01:04:27.000
It’s awesome having you. Thank you for having01:04:27.000 –> 01:04:28.000
me as honored three times.1 hr 5 min - The JRNY of Chris Pronger: NHL Hall of Famer
Welcome to another riveting episode of the Circuit of Success podcast! In this edition, host Brett Gilliland dives deep into the extraordinary journey of Chris Pronger, a true hockey legend and former NHL player. Join us as we explore Pronger’s career, from his high school hockey days to becoming a Hall of Fame inductee and a two-time gold medalist.
Discover the grit and physicality that defined Pronger’s time on the ice, including his victorious moments as a Stanley Cup champion with the St. Louis Blues. Gain insights into the challenges of professional sports and the wisdom Pronger gleaned from early mentorship, highlighting the role of a business coach in shaping his path to greatness.
But that’s not all – Pronger’s story extends beyond the rink. Uncover the fascinating world of Journey J.R.N.Y., the whisky business co-founded by Chris and his brother. Delve into the intricacies of their venture, forged through years of research and development.
In this episode, Pronger shares invaluable advice on investing in oneself, the pursuit of excellence, and the significance of giving back to the community. Learn how his experiences as an athlete fueled his commitment to making a positive impact on the world, echoing the sentiment that the adrenaline rush on the ice is irreplaceable but focusing on the present is paramount.
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Chris Pronger – NHL HALL OF FAME
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I’m your host, Brett Gilliland.00:00:16.000 –> 00:00:19.000
And today, I’ve got Chris Pronger. What’s up,00:00:19.000 –> 00:00:20.000
my man? How are you?00:00:21.000 –> 00:00:23.000
I am great. It’s good to have you.00:00:23.000 –> 00:00:25.000
You. Been excited about this. It’s been a00:00:25.000 –> 00:00:26.000
while. It’s been a while.00:00:26.000 –> 00:00:28.000
We got our customers. We are branded for00:00:28.000 –> 00:00:31.000
those watching at home. Thank you. Got the00:00:31.000 –> 00:00:33.000
turkey Canadian whiskey right here. I go Brett.00:00:33.000 –> 00:00:35.000
You go black? Yeah. You’re kind enough to00:00:35.000 –> 00:00:36.000
come in here and give me a shirt.00:00:36.000 –> 00:00:39.000
We got some, we got some whisky here.00:00:39.000 –> 00:00:41.000
We may open one in a Gilliland,00:00:42.000 –> 00:00:44.000
but yeah, man, you are the Hall fame00:00:44.000 –> 00:00:46.000
hockey player, two time gold medalist,00:00:47.000 –> 00:00:48.000
Stanley Cupchamp,00:00:49.000 –> 00:00:51.000
Number forty four is retired at the enterprise00:00:51.000 –> 00:00:52.000
center.00:00:52.000 –> 00:00:54.000
You are a whisky owner. You are a00:00:54.000 –> 00:00:56.000
husband. You are a father. And my last00:00:56.000 –> 00:00:58.000
thing, I put your one hell of a00:00:58.000 –> 00:01:00.000
golfer. Uh-huh. Wow. Not quite as good as00:01:00.000 –> 00:01:00.000
you.00:01:02.000 –> 00:01:04.000
But, man, that’s a hell of a career.00:01:04.000 –> 00:01:05.000
That’s a hell of a career. Yeah. Practice00:01:05.000 –> 00:01:07.000
on your slap shot. Not not your golf00:01:07.000 –> 00:01:10.000
shot. Right? So, well, it’s been awesome getting00:01:10.000 –> 00:01:12.000
to know you through old Billy. Billy Schmidt00:01:12.000 –> 00:01:14.000
introduced to two of us. And so it’s00:01:14.000 –> 00:01:16.000
been fun getting to know you, man. So00:01:16.000 –> 00:01:17.000
I was excited to have you on the00:01:17.000 –> 00:01:18.000
pod But if you can,00:01:18.000 –> 00:01:20.000
people that don’t know you, I’m sure they00:01:20.000 –> 00:01:21.000
listen to this probably does know you. But00:01:21.000 –> 00:01:22.000
for those that don’t, man, there’s always a00:01:22.000 –> 00:01:24.000
backstory. Something that’s helped make you the man00:01:24.000 –> 00:01:25.000
you are today, and I always love to00:01:25.000 –> 00:01:27.000
chat about that. So there, if you don’t00:01:27.000 –> 00:01:29.000
mind. Yeah. No. I grew up in small00:01:29.000 –> 00:01:30.000
town Canada,00:01:30.000 –> 00:01:31.000
dried in Ontario,00:01:32.000 –> 00:01:34.000
thriving metropolis of about seven thousand,00:01:35.000 –> 00:01:36.000
strong right now.00:01:37.000 –> 00:01:37.000
Nice.00:01:38.000 –> 00:01:41.000
Northwest in Ontario is, so my hometown driving00:01:41.000 –> 00:01:43.000
is eight hours straight north of Minneapolis.00:01:43.000 –> 00:01:47.000
K. The coldest place in the continental US,00:01:47.000 –> 00:01:48.000
not in Alaska00:01:49.000 –> 00:01:51.000
is international falls, which is two and a00:01:51.000 –> 00:01:53.000
half hours south of me. Wow. So it00:01:53.000 –> 00:01:54.000
is cold.00:01:56.000 –> 00:01:57.000
Not a lot going on in the winter00:01:57.000 –> 00:01:59.000
other than hockey and00:01:59.000 –> 00:02:00.000
snowmobiling,00:02:00.000 –> 00:02:02.000
and ice fishing, and what you what you00:02:02.000 –> 00:02:04.000
would expect. Yeah. But,00:02:05.000 –> 00:02:07.000
Brett childhood growing up. Love living there. It00:02:07.000 –> 00:02:09.000
was, it was a lot of fun. You00:02:09.000 –> 00:02:11.000
know, see pre internet. So it was00:02:12.000 –> 00:02:14.000
not a lot going on as far as,00:02:14.000 –> 00:02:16.000
surfing the web and doing all that stuff00:02:16.000 –> 00:02:18.000
and video games. It was pretty,00:02:19.000 –> 00:02:22.000
you know, kinda asteroids and, the simple games00:02:22.000 –> 00:02:24.000
that’s, that you can think of. But,00:02:25.000 –> 00:02:27.000
now we played hockey pretty much every My00:02:27.000 –> 00:02:29.000
brother, like, it’s pretty much what you do00:02:29.000 –> 00:02:31.000
up there. Right? You’re not you’re not playing00:02:31.000 –> 00:02:33.000
basketball or are you playing basketball baseball in00:02:33.000 –> 00:02:35.000
the summers? Yeah. No. I was a multi00:02:35.000 –> 00:02:36.000
sport athlete. Okay.00:02:36.000 –> 00:02:38.000
I would play hockey in the00:02:39.000 –> 00:02:40.000
fall, winter,00:02:40.000 –> 00:02:43.000
early spring. And then would play baseball. Mhmm.00:02:43.000 –> 00:02:45.000
And then I would golf all summer and00:02:45.000 –> 00:02:47.000
kind of swim in the lake and be00:02:47.000 –> 00:02:49.000
a kid. Nice. And then,00:02:50.000 –> 00:02:52.000
I usually did not put skates on till00:02:52.000 –> 00:02:55.000
the last two weeks of August when I00:02:55.000 –> 00:02:56.000
would normally go to Thunder Bay and do00:02:56.000 –> 00:02:57.000
a hockey school and stay with my grandparents00:02:57.000 –> 00:02:58.000
and kinda have some time with00:03:00.000 –> 00:03:02.000
them. My parents would get a break from00:03:02.000 –> 00:03:04.000
us. Because you and your brother, right? Just00:03:04.000 –> 00:03:06.000
me and my brother who’s two years older.00:03:06.000 –> 00:03:08.000
Two for two for your parents and Angel00:03:08.000 –> 00:03:09.000
hockey stars.00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:10.000
And then,00:03:10.000 –> 00:03:11.000
yeah, we just00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:13.000
I mean, it was pretty simple living. It00:03:13.000 –> 00:03:15.000
was nice. It’s awesome. Yeah. Not a whole00:03:15.000 –> 00:03:17.000
lot to worry about. No cell phones. No00:03:17.000 –> 00:03:18.000
nothing. And how much older is your brother00:03:18.000 –> 00:03:20.000
than you? Two years. Okay. So two years00:03:20.000 –> 00:03:21.000
older than you. So he’s beating the crap00:03:21.000 –> 00:03:23.000
out of you guys or kids, running around00:03:23.000 –> 00:03:25.000
a backyard. I believe I counted one summer.00:03:25.000 –> 00:03:26.000
I had forty nine bleeding noses.00:03:27.000 –> 00:03:28.000
So there was,00:03:29.000 –> 00:03:31.000
there Thanks a lot. As as we used00:03:31.000 –> 00:03:32.000
to hear a lot of, oh, the Pronger00:03:32.000 –> 00:03:34.000
boys are going at it again. Yeah. But,00:03:34.000 –> 00:03:35.000
no, it was,00:03:36.000 –> 00:03:37.000
It was your dad, mom, the end of00:03:37.000 –> 00:03:40.000
hockey? Is it sports? My dad played, you00:03:40.000 –> 00:03:42.000
know, like college hockey a little bit. And,00:03:43.000 –> 00:03:44.000
saw a picture of you guys where he’s00:03:44.000 –> 00:03:46.000
not near as tall as you guys.00:03:46.000 –> 00:03:49.000
My dad is 05:11. Okay. Chris brother was00:03:49.000 –> 00:03:51.000
six six kinda like a picture I have00:03:51.000 –> 00:03:53.000
of you and I. I look like I’m00:03:53.000 –> 00:03:55.000
five foot four, you know, like, what’s going00:03:55.000 –> 00:03:57.000
on here, man? This is terrible. So My00:03:57.000 –> 00:03:59.000
grandpa was six three. So he’s the run00:03:59.000 –> 00:04:00.000
to the litter. Yeah. You’re six six. Your00:04:00.000 –> 00:04:03.000
brother’s six three. Six three. Okay. Big dudes.00:04:03.000 –> 00:04:05.000
Imagine that on skates, even more intimidating.00:04:06.000 –> 00:04:07.000
What, at what point do you should we00:04:07.000 –> 00:04:09.000
open some of this stuff? Yeah. Let’s get00:04:09.000 –> 00:04:11.000
I’ll let you, just grab it. Pick your00:04:11.000 –> 00:04:12.000
poison. Alright. Let’s do this right here. Figure00:04:12.000 –> 00:04:13.000
out which one you want. Get it right00:04:13.000 –> 00:04:14.000
here. There we go. I can get it00:04:14.000 –> 00:04:17.000
open here. Chris is some good stuff.00:04:17.000 –> 00:04:19.000
We get a little pour here00:04:19.000 –> 00:04:21.000
and then, I’ll ship it your way.00:04:23.000 –> 00:04:26.000
Very good? Thank you, sir. Thank you.00:04:28.000 –> 00:04:29.000
Cheers, mate. Cheers? Yeah. I’d like to00:04:33.000 –> 00:04:35.000
smell it. A good stuff. That a good00:04:35.000 –> 00:04:37.000
stuff. Anyway, back to the00:04:37.000 –> 00:04:40.000
pre recorded, not pre recorded. The recorded session00:04:40.000 –> 00:04:41.000
here we’re doing is At what point did00:04:41.000 –> 00:04:43.000
you know you’re different, man? I mean, obviously,00:04:43.000 –> 00:04:45.000
playing hockey, you’re a high level. There’s tons00:04:45.000 –> 00:04:46.000
of good hockey players come from Canada.00:04:47.000 –> 00:04:48.000
Was there that moment where you thought, man,00:04:48.000 –> 00:04:50.000
I’m a little different than some of these00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:50.000
guys?00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:51.000
I was always,00:04:52.000 –> 00:04:54.000
you know, growing up on, you know, kids00:04:54.000 –> 00:04:56.000
my age. I usually played up a a00:04:56.000 –> 00:04:58.000
a year or two years. Yeah.00:05:00.000 –> 00:05:01.000
And and, you know, just played it out00:05:01.000 –> 00:05:04.000
a higher level, if you will. And then00:05:04.000 –> 00:05:05.000
you you really don’t know, come from a00:05:05.000 –> 00:05:08.000
small town back then, you know, there’s, again,00:05:08.000 –> 00:05:10.000
no internet, no real TV where you can,00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:13.000
other than watch an NHL on hockey night00:05:13.000 –> 00:05:14.000
in Canada on Saturday nights,00:05:14.000 –> 00:05:17.000
you weren’t really immersed in it other than00:05:17.000 –> 00:05:18.000
just who you’re playing against all the time.00:05:18.000 –> 00:05:20.000
So I didn’t really00:05:20.000 –> 00:05:22.000
have a good understanding or gauge00:05:23.000 –> 00:05:24.000
to understand00:05:25.000 –> 00:05:27.000
where I was at with respect to competition00:05:27.000 –> 00:05:29.000
levels and and things of that nature. So,00:05:30.000 –> 00:05:32.000
moved away from home when was fifteen, but00:05:32.000 –> 00:05:34.000
prior to that, I had a choice to00:05:34.000 –> 00:05:36.000
make at thirteen. Am I gonna play high00:05:36.000 –> 00:05:36.000
school hockey,00:05:37.000 –> 00:05:38.000
or am I gonna go play AAA hockey,00:05:38.000 –> 00:05:40.000
which my brother played, and you’re driving00:05:41.000 –> 00:05:43.000
10:12 hours in a bus, and it’s a00:05:43.000 –> 00:05:44.000
gr you know, it’s a commitment and a00:05:44.000 –> 00:05:45.000
grind.00:05:45.000 –> 00:05:47.000
And I was, like, you know, I don’t00:05:47.000 –> 00:05:49.000
wanna do that. I wanna play I wanna00:05:49.000 –> 00:05:51.000
be with my friends, and I wanna play00:05:51.000 –> 00:05:52.000
high school hockey.00:05:52.000 –> 00:05:54.000
And, you know, there was a little politics00:05:54.000 –> 00:05:57.000
involved that that I’ll get to later, but00:05:57.000 –> 00:05:59.000
that was kinda really the first00:06:00.000 –> 00:06:03.000
foray into the politics politics of sports and00:06:03.000 –> 00:06:05.000
kinda what can happen00:06:06.000 –> 00:06:08.000
they were upset that I didn’t go play00:06:08.000 –> 00:06:10.000
on Chris AAA team. They being your parents?00:06:10.000 –> 00:06:12.000
No. They being the coaching staff and the00:06:12.000 –> 00:06:15.000
managers of that team. And their friends, my00:06:15.000 –> 00:06:16.000
my brother played there, and they were friends00:06:16.000 –> 00:06:18.000
of my parents, a lot of them. And,00:06:19.000 –> 00:06:22.000
they we kinda merged two talents together, Kenora,00:06:22.000 –> 00:06:24.000
and dried, and merged to create this triple00:06:24.000 –> 00:06:26.000
a team because we were not each city00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:28.000
was not or town was not AAA. Yeah.00:06:28.000 –> 00:06:30.000
So we’d go and play in this AAA00:06:30.000 –> 00:06:32.000
league. And I’m like, oh, I just wanna00:06:32.000 –> 00:06:34.000
play with my buddies, but but again,00:06:35.000 –> 00:06:35.000
fourteen,00:06:36.000 –> 00:06:37.000
thirteen, fourteen,00:06:37.000 –> 00:06:39.000
turning fifteen, the two years I played high00:06:39.000 –> 00:06:41.000
school, I’m playing against twenty year olds. So00:06:41.000 –> 00:06:43.000
I’m I’m playing nineteen, twenty year olds. So00:06:43.000 –> 00:06:46.000
I’m playing against much older competition00:06:46.000 –> 00:06:48.000
that have either gone on play junior, and00:06:48.000 –> 00:06:50.000
I’ll come back. Gonna play high school hockey,00:06:50.000 –> 00:06:53.000
finish your hockey careers, and go to school00:06:53.000 –> 00:06:54.000
and do whatever. Right? So you’re you’re playing.00:06:54.000 –> 00:06:57.000
It’s still against some pretty players. Yep. And00:06:57.000 –> 00:06:59.000
on our team were players that had played00:06:59.000 –> 00:07:00.000
in that league, and now they’re back playing00:07:00.000 –> 00:07:02.000
high school hockey. So we had there was00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:04.000
a lot of really hockey players that I’m00:07:04.000 –> 00:07:06.000
playing against at the that age.00:07:07.000 –> 00:07:09.000
So I’m, you know, I think in grade00:07:09.000 –> 00:07:11.000
nine. I was six one, grade ten. I00:07:11.000 –> 00:07:12.000
was six three. So I’m,00:07:13.000 –> 00:07:14.000
Give me as big as those guys. I’m00:07:14.000 –> 00:07:16.000
tall. I’m tall. I’m not big.00:07:17.000 –> 00:07:17.000
Skin’ mouthy.00:07:19.000 –> 00:07:19.000
But,00:07:20.000 –> 00:07:21.000
you know, I think understanding00:07:23.000 –> 00:07:24.000
I just wanted to have a good time.00:07:24.000 –> 00:07:26.000
I wanted to enjoy my childhood. You know,00:07:26.000 –> 00:07:27.000
it was a lot of pressure of, you00:07:27.000 –> 00:07:29.000
know, you’re the best player. You’re Chris. You’re00:07:29.000 –> 00:07:30.000
that. Yeah.00:07:31.000 –> 00:07:32.000
And I thought we had a good enough00:07:32.000 –> 00:07:34.000
team to go play in the Ontario’s where00:07:34.000 –> 00:07:35.000
you’d go down to Toronto00:07:36.000 –> 00:07:38.000
and play against the top high schools in00:07:38.000 –> 00:07:41.000
the in the in the province and gets00:07:41.000 –> 00:07:42.000
go to that way as opposed to playing00:07:42.000 –> 00:07:43.000
out west00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:45.000
were in Ontario, but they’re playing in the00:07:45.000 –> 00:07:47.000
western. It just it was a, yeah, a00:07:47.000 –> 00:07:50.000
s assorted deal. And so00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:52.000
I played high school hockey for these two00:07:52.000 –> 00:07:53.000
years. We go to the Ontario’s, both years.00:07:55.000 –> 00:07:56.000
Brett00:07:56.000 –> 00:07:59.000
seen by some scouts and and get asked00:07:59.000 –> 00:08:01.000
to go play for this junior tee junior00:08:01.000 –> 00:08:02.000
b team down in Stratford.00:08:03.000 –> 00:08:04.000
And00:08:04.000 –> 00:08:06.000
before I go and do that, I go00:08:06.000 –> 00:08:07.000
to this summer camp, and they’re doing this00:08:07.000 –> 00:08:09.000
under sixteen,00:08:10.000 –> 00:08:13.000
camp to pick Chris, the all Ontario team,00:08:13.000 –> 00:08:15.000
and I go to this camp, of which00:08:15.000 –> 00:08:17.000
a lot were on this AAA team. Right.00:08:18.000 –> 00:08:20.000
And, you know, it was a valuable learning00:08:20.000 –> 00:08:22.000
for me on a couple fronts, number one,00:08:22.000 –> 00:08:22.000
the politics.00:08:23.000 –> 00:08:24.000
Number two,00:08:24.000 –> 00:08:26.000
I wasn’t in the best shape. I didn’t00:08:26.000 –> 00:08:28.000
train overly hard preparing00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:29.000
for this,00:08:31.000 –> 00:08:32.000
camp. So,00:08:32.000 –> 00:08:34.000
you know, they said, oh, you know, we’re00:08:34.000 –> 00:08:36.000
we’re cutting you. And I’m like,00:08:37.000 –> 00:08:39.000
I’m I’m looking at my Gilliland I’m like,00:08:39.000 –> 00:08:41.000
how am I getting cut? There’s no way.00:08:41.000 –> 00:08:43.000
Yeah. But I get cut.00:08:43.000 –> 00:08:46.000
And one of the scouts that watched me00:08:46.000 –> 00:08:49.000
that pre that spring playing the All Ontario’s00:08:50.000 –> 00:08:52.000
had two wild Chris. Now he’s got two00:08:52.000 –> 00:08:54.000
wild cards for all of Ontario.00:08:56.000 –> 00:08:58.000
And he’s like, how does this kid get00:08:58.000 –> 00:08:59.000
cut? And he uses one of his two00:08:59.000 –> 00:09:01.000
wild cards on me to go to the00:09:01.000 –> 00:09:02.000
main camp. Wow.00:09:03.000 –> 00:09:04.000
And I make the team.00:09:06.000 –> 00:09:08.000
Again, not making the same mistake.00:09:08.000 –> 00:09:10.000
I’m training now. I’m like, alright. I’m gonna00:09:10.000 –> 00:09:12.000
train. I learned my lesson that it wasn’t00:09:12.000 –> 00:09:12.000
prepared.00:09:13.000 –> 00:09:15.000
Gonna happen again. I’m gonna train. I’m gonna00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:17.000
prepare. And, you know, he’s that gentleman is00:09:20.000 –> 00:09:23.000
still of my good friends. The wild card00:09:23.000 –> 00:09:25.000
guy. The wild card guy, Sheldon Ferguson Ferguson,00:09:25.000 –> 00:09:26.000
who then went on to scout00:09:27.000 –> 00:09:29.000
for, central NHL central scouting, and then he00:09:29.000 –> 00:09:31.000
worked for a number of different, NHL teams00:09:31.000 –> 00:09:32.000
along the way.00:09:33.000 –> 00:09:36.000
But still always talk about that circumstance and00:09:36.000 –> 00:09:37.000
how00:09:37.000 –> 00:09:39.000
He’s just happened to see if I don’t00:09:39.000 –> 00:09:40.000
go to the Ontario championships, he doesn’t see00:09:40.000 –> 00:09:42.000
me, and I don’t get this wallet, you00:09:42.000 –> 00:09:43.000
know. It’s just who knows where he is.00:09:43.000 –> 00:09:45.000
So many different. Yeah. I mean, it’s just00:09:45.000 –> 00:09:47.000
if you don’t that opportunity or someone somebody00:09:47.000 –> 00:09:48.000
doesn’t go out on a limb for you.00:09:48.000 –> 00:09:50.000
Yep. You know, you you just never know00:09:50.000 –> 00:09:51.000
where you’re gonna be. What were your parents00:09:51.000 –> 00:09:54.000
like during that phase of life? Right? I’m00:09:54.000 –> 00:09:55.000
picking high school over what they want me00:09:55.000 –> 00:09:57.000
to do because, you know, in today’s world,00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:58.000
and obviously you got kids. You know what00:09:58.000 –> 00:10:00.000
it’s like. But the sports world is nuts.00:10:00.000 –> 00:10:01.000
No.00:10:01.000 –> 00:10:02.000
Bean00:10:03.000 –> 00:10:05.000
Yeah. Miley. Yes. Yes. Miley.00:10:06.000 –> 00:10:08.000
What were your parents like versus what we00:10:08.000 –> 00:10:09.000
see parents today? Like, if you’re not on00:10:09.000 –> 00:10:11.000
that all star if you’re not doing this,00:10:11.000 –> 00:10:12.000
you’re not, you know, what were they like?00:10:12.000 –> 00:10:14.000
Because they again, they went two for two00:10:14.000 –> 00:10:16.000
with two NHL players. I mean, that’s that’s00:10:16.000 –> 00:10:17.000
amazing. Yeah. I would say,00:10:18.000 –> 00:10:20.000
you know, my dad was always quiet, always00:10:20.000 –> 00:10:22.000
sat by himself up in the corner and00:10:22.000 –> 00:10:23.000
just watched. Yeah.00:10:24.000 –> 00:10:26.000
My mom was kinda with other parents, you00:10:26.000 –> 00:10:28.000
know, hooting and hollering, but not, you know,00:10:28.000 –> 00:10:30.000
getting involved in coaching and doing all that00:10:30.000 –> 00:10:32.000
stuff. Getting advice and getting kicked. Yeah. Doing00:10:32.000 –> 00:10:33.000
all that kind of stuff.00:10:34.000 –> 00:10:36.000
You know, they weren’t car rides. What were00:10:36.000 –> 00:10:36.000
those like?00:10:37.000 –> 00:10:40.000
They were pretty quiet. I was pretty intense00:10:40.000 –> 00:10:41.000
kid kinda preparing00:10:42.000 –> 00:10:44.000
the way you saw me play is the00:10:44.000 –> 00:10:45.000
way I played all the time. Okay. That’s00:10:45.000 –> 00:10:47.000
the only way I know how to play.00:10:47.000 –> 00:10:48.000
That’s the only way I know how to00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:49.000
play. Okay. And so00:10:50.000 –> 00:10:52.000
You know, I was kinda getting myself geeked00:10:52.000 –> 00:10:53.000
up for the game. Yep. You know, you’re00:10:53.000 –> 00:10:55.000
listening to music, you knew whenever,00:10:56.000 –> 00:10:58.000
whatever music there was back then. Yeah. Not00:10:58.000 –> 00:10:59.000
in AirPods.00:10:59.000 –> 00:11:02.000
No. Yeah. No. Listen to Gilliland Oates and00:11:02.000 –> 00:11:04.000
whatever else. My dad’s all fired up.00:11:05.000 –> 00:11:08.000
Great tracks. Yeah. Exactly. Listen to Billy Joel00:11:08.000 –> 00:11:09.000
a track or whatever.00:11:11.000 –> 00:11:13.000
Not a whole, you know, we’re pretty quiet.00:11:13.000 –> 00:11:15.000
Yeah. Just, you know, kinda go about business00:11:15.000 –> 00:11:17.000
do your own thing. And and I love00:11:17.000 –> 00:11:18.000
that though, man. You know, you you hear00:11:18.000 –> 00:11:20.000
people talk about car rides, and that’s just00:11:20.000 –> 00:11:22.000
one way, right, that people don’t wanna play00:11:22.000 –> 00:11:24.000
sports. Sometimes the car rides home, mom, and00:11:24.000 –> 00:11:25.000
dad, or, you know, why you miss that00:11:25.000 –> 00:11:27.000
or do Chris? And Yeah. No. No. There00:11:27.000 –> 00:11:29.000
was never, I don’t ever remember00:11:30.000 –> 00:11:33.000
unless I did something not revolve00:11:34.000 –> 00:11:36.000
around a play or whatever if I did00:11:36.000 –> 00:11:38.000
something bad. Yeah. Right. You heard about it.00:11:38.000 –> 00:11:39.000
May or may not have happened.00:11:41.000 –> 00:11:43.000
No, I never got, well, why didn’t you00:11:43.000 –> 00:11:44.000
make that pass? Or why didn’t you do00:11:44.000 –> 00:11:46.000
this? Or why’d you make that player? No.00:11:46.000 –> 00:11:47.000
I never00:11:48.000 –> 00:11:49.000
it was, you know, it was just all00:11:49.000 –> 00:11:51.000
about, as I tell people now. I’m like,00:11:51.000 –> 00:11:53.000
make sure your kids are having fun. They00:11:53.000 –> 00:11:55.000
get one chance to be a kid because00:11:55.000 –> 00:11:57.000
guess what? You’re gonna grow up fast. Yep.00:11:57.000 –> 00:11:58.000
And they’re out the door and00:11:59.000 –> 00:12:01.000
you want them in those formative years of00:12:01.000 –> 00:12:02.000
being a kid,00:12:02.000 –> 00:12:05.000
being passionate about asport or multiple sports so00:12:05.000 –> 00:12:08.000
that as they go off high school, college,00:12:08.000 –> 00:12:09.000
etcetera,00:12:10.000 –> 00:12:13.000
into normal normal life and are contributing citizens00:12:13.000 –> 00:12:15.000
to the world, they still do stuff like00:12:15.000 –> 00:12:17.000
that. They still wanna golf, they still wanna00:12:17.000 –> 00:12:17.000
play hockey,00:12:18.000 –> 00:12:21.000
basketball, volleyball, whatever it is, they wanna keep00:12:22.000 –> 00:12:24.000
maybe not necessarily competing, but playing the sport00:12:24.000 –> 00:12:26.000
that they love and are passionate about, or00:12:26.000 –> 00:12:28.000
coaching it, paying it forward and doing these00:12:28.000 –> 00:12:29.000
other things that you see a lot of,00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:32.000
former players do. We’re gonna dive into your,00:12:32.000 –> 00:12:34.000
obviously, your career here in a little bit,00:12:34.000 –> 00:12:36.000
but but important for us as a firm,00:12:36.000 –> 00:12:38.000
but also I think just any business person00:12:38.000 –> 00:12:39.000
listening to this is whether it’s on the00:12:39.000 –> 00:12:40.000
ice or in the boardroom,00:12:41.000 –> 00:12:43.000
your values are important. Right? Your culture’s important00:12:43.000 –> 00:12:45.000
to you. So was there a set of00:12:45.000 –> 00:12:47.000
values or principles for you that maybe even00:12:47.000 –> 00:12:48.000
your parents taught you or that you kinda00:12:48.000 –> 00:12:50.000
formed early on in your career that said,00:12:50.000 –> 00:12:53.000
this is what I stand for, and this00:12:53.000 –> 00:12:54.000
is what I’m gonna do.00:12:55.000 –> 00:12:56.000
You know, I think00:12:57.000 –> 00:12:59.000
I was always one of the bigger kids,00:12:59.000 –> 00:13:02.000
tall taller kids. You know, bigger, taller.00:13:03.000 –> 00:13:04.000
But I always played a certain way. I00:13:04.000 –> 00:13:06.000
always protected my teammates. I always00:13:07.000 –> 00:13:08.000
let the other team know, oh, hey, you00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:10.000
wanna take runs of this guy? Well, you00:13:10.000 –> 00:13:12.000
better be careful because someone else can be00:13:12.000 –> 00:13:13.000
taking runs of you.00:13:14.000 –> 00:13:16.000
You know, and I think hard work and00:13:16.000 –> 00:13:16.000
and00:13:17.000 –> 00:13:20.000
adversity, you know, as my career went along,00:13:20.000 –> 00:13:21.000
I you you00:13:21.000 –> 00:13:22.000
sense00:13:23.000 –> 00:13:25.000
and learn from the very adversities that you00:13:25.000 –> 00:13:27.000
face, the decisions you gotta make.00:13:28.000 –> 00:13:30.000
I’ve had plenty of decisions, whether it’s going00:13:30.000 –> 00:13:31.000
to play junior, whether it’s going to play00:13:31.000 –> 00:13:33.000
AAA or high school, whether it’s going to00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:36.000
play major junior or college. I mean, just,00:13:36.000 –> 00:13:37.000
you know,00:13:37.000 –> 00:13:39.000
asking for trades, doing all these things. Like,00:13:39.000 –> 00:13:41.000
you have you’re forced to really00:13:42.000 –> 00:13:44.000
Stick to your guns. And, alright.00:13:45.000 –> 00:13:47.000
You know, there’s some moments where I did00:13:47.000 –> 00:13:47.000
not00:13:48.000 –> 00:13:50.000
stick to my guns that I’m like, why00:13:50.000 –> 00:13:51.000
did I not?00:13:51.000 –> 00:13:53.000
Why did I cave and why, you know,00:13:53.000 –> 00:13:55.000
it just if you have a core set00:13:55.000 –> 00:13:56.000
of principles and you00:13:57.000 –> 00:14:00.000
know who you are, and and you have00:14:00.000 –> 00:14:01.000
a firm belief in that, you need to00:14:01.000 –> 00:14:04.000
stick your guns. And there’s a couple times00:14:04.000 –> 00:14:05.000
where I00:14:05.000 –> 00:14:08.000
wouldn’t say I got bullied or talked into00:14:08.000 –> 00:14:09.000
it. Just00:14:09.000 –> 00:14:11.000
was told to you, you know, maybe you00:14:11.000 –> 00:14:12.000
should go do this or that. And I’m00:14:12.000 –> 00:14:14.000
like, well, I wish I’d have already did00:14:14.000 –> 00:14:16.000
that. Yeah. Because it’s not. I00:14:16.000 –> 00:14:18.000
I got asked to tell the owner one00:14:18.000 –> 00:14:19.000
time in Saint Chris,00:14:20.000 –> 00:14:21.000
sorry for making a play that I got00:14:21.000 –> 00:14:22.000
suspended on.00:14:23.000 –> 00:14:25.000
Like, why? Why? Why? Why do I need00:14:25.000 –> 00:14:26.000
to apologize for that?00:14:27.000 –> 00:14:29.000
That’s who I am. That’s how I play.00:14:29.000 –> 00:14:31.000
Right. You love how I play. Yeah. So00:14:31.000 –> 00:14:33.000
why am I still here? That’s why I’m00:14:33.000 –> 00:14:34.000
here. You know, and I’m just like, well,00:14:34.000 –> 00:14:36.000
why am I apologizing? I think that’s normal.00:14:36.000 –> 00:14:38.000
Right? I mean, you think about even from00:14:38.000 –> 00:14:39.000
a work standpoint? Oh, I kinda have good00:14:39.000 –> 00:14:42.000
on that road. I kinda haphazardly just said,00:14:42.000 –> 00:14:42.000
I’m sorry. But00:14:43.000 –> 00:14:46.000
Yeah. I’m not I don’t mean it. You00:14:46.000 –> 00:14:47.000
know, great. You told me to do it.00:14:47.000 –> 00:14:48.000
Okay. I did it. But I don’t mean00:14:48.000 –> 00:14:51.000
it. Yeah. Because I’m not sorry. Right. Right.00:14:52.000 –> 00:14:53.000
I’m sorry I got caught.00:14:54.000 –> 00:14:56.000
But when I read eight suspensions, is that00:14:56.000 –> 00:14:58.000
what I heard? Eight. Yes. Hate suspensions.00:14:59.000 –> 00:15:00.000
What was the best one?00:15:02.000 –> 00:15:04.000
There were a few. There were a few00:15:04.000 –> 00:15:06.000
good ones. You know what? I I learned00:15:07.000 –> 00:15:10.000
early in my childhood to be unpredictable. Gilliland00:15:11.000 –> 00:15:12.000
whether that’s you’re gonna take the puck, whether00:15:12.000 –> 00:15:14.000
that’s you’re gonna hit them, whether that’s you’re00:15:14.000 –> 00:15:15.000
gonna spear them, whether you’re gonna slash them,00:15:15.000 –> 00:15:16.000
cross check them, whatever,00:15:18.000 –> 00:15:19.000
in the grid the errors of the rule00:15:19.000 –> 00:15:20.000
book.00:15:20.000 –> 00:15:21.000
Mhmm.00:15:21.000 –> 00:15:24.000
That keeping people unpredictable that just that indecisiveness00:15:24.000 –> 00:15:24.000
in their head is gonna give you just00:15:24.000 –> 00:15:24.000
enough time to00:15:28.000 –> 00:15:30.000
make play, take the puck.00:15:30.000 –> 00:15:32.000
They’re gonna be a little leery as to00:15:32.000 –> 00:15:34.000
what you’re gonna do, and I could be00:15:34.000 –> 00:15:35.000
honest with you sometimes. I didn’t know what00:15:35.000 –> 00:15:38.000
I was gonna do. This is a re00:15:38.000 –> 00:15:40.000
action. It’s a spur of the moment. You’re00:15:40.000 –> 00:15:42.000
laying on. Yeah. Boom. But I think there’s00:15:42.000 –> 00:15:44.000
people that, like, they like the hit. Right?00:15:44.000 –> 00:15:45.000
I think of my oldest son, like, he00:15:45.000 –> 00:15:47.000
likes the hit. Even he’s playing soccer. He’s00:15:47.000 –> 00:15:49.000
not playing, but but, like, I was a00:15:49.000 –> 00:15:50.000
guy. I didn’t like to hit. Like, I00:15:50.000 –> 00:15:52.000
didn’t want that company. He’s probably why I00:15:52.000 –> 00:15:53.000
played golf. Right? But00:15:54.000 –> 00:15:55.000
do you think do you agree with that?00:15:55.000 –> 00:15:56.000
I mean, people like to hit? Oh, absolutely.00:15:57.000 –> 00:15:59.000
There’s, you know, when you see game start00:15:59.000 –> 00:16:01.000
and you’re like, you either wanna get hit00:16:01.000 –> 00:16:04.000
or get hit. Yeah. Just to absorb, get00:16:04.000 –> 00:16:05.000
into the game, get the feel of it.00:16:05.000 –> 00:16:08.000
Alright. We’re good now. Yeah. Just get that00:16:08.000 –> 00:16:10.000
first one to get started. Alright. Now.00:16:12.000 –> 00:16:14.000
Going. I was doing some butterflies, and get00:16:14.000 –> 00:16:15.000
that00:16:15.000 –> 00:16:17.000
I Brett some research last night. Watch some00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:19.000
videos. I you said something on a podcast00:16:19.000 –> 00:16:21.000
or some TV thing you’re on, and it00:16:21.000 –> 00:16:23.000
said you you predicted be a hundred plus00:16:23.000 –> 00:16:24.000
concussions? If you’re looking at what they consider00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:25.000
a concussion now. Yeah. I00:16:30.000 –> 00:16:30.000
would00:16:31.000 –> 00:16:33.000
I would probably guess. You know?00:16:34.000 –> 00:16:36.000
I can count ones where00:16:36.000 –> 00:16:37.000
if you were looking at00:16:39.000 –> 00:16:40.000
a baseline concussion of,00:16:41.000 –> 00:16:43.000
you know, either it got knocked out or00:16:43.000 –> 00:16:44.000
you’re seeing stars, you know, like a legit,00:16:44.000 –> 00:16:45.000
you know, head trauma. You’re talking00:16:50.000 –> 00:16:50.000
Twenty?00:16:51.000 –> 00:16:52.000
Like that. And then,00:16:53.000 –> 00:16:54.000
you know, seeing seeing stars, you bell rung00:16:54.000 –> 00:16:54.000
and all the all those buzz words that00:16:54.000 –> 00:16:54.000
you00:16:58.000 –> 00:17:00.000
to hear. They’re like, don’t worry about it.00:17:00.000 –> 00:17:02.000
Or I get a stinger. You know, your00:17:02.000 –> 00:17:03.000
tip’s your head, but it’s your neck, but00:17:03.000 –> 00:17:05.000
it’s your shoulder. You know, what is it?00:17:06.000 –> 00:17:08.000
You know, there was so many different buzzwords00:17:08.000 –> 00:17:10.000
to kinda take it away from00:17:10.000 –> 00:17:12.000
your head. Yeah. That00:17:13.000 –> 00:17:15.000
I, you know, over the span of playing00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:16.000
hockey thirty00:17:18.000 –> 00:17:20.000
Let’s see here. Thirty years or so? Eighteen00:17:20.000 –> 00:17:23.000
in the NHL. Right. Thirty three. Yeah.00:17:23.000 –> 00:17:25.000
Nineteen in the NHL. I mean,00:17:25.000 –> 00:17:27.000
Yeah. I would, you know, you bang your00:17:27.000 –> 00:17:28.000
head off the glass. You get hit. You00:17:28.000 –> 00:17:30.000
know, there’s a couple times. You remember, we00:17:30.000 –> 00:17:31.000
Brett banging my head off the glass on00:17:31.000 –> 00:17:32.000
a hit.00:17:32.000 –> 00:17:34.000
You know, you pass a puck and you’re00:17:34.000 –> 00:17:36.000
trying to Brett yourself just, you know, you00:17:36.000 –> 00:17:37.000
get hit by a big guy and you’re00:17:38.000 –> 00:17:39.000
you’re hitting the guy and your head hits00:17:39.000 –> 00:17:40.000
the glass.00:17:42.000 –> 00:17:44.000
You’ve you’ve you don’t00:17:44.000 –> 00:17:47.000
lose consciousness, but you’re you can feel it00:17:47.000 –> 00:17:50.000
for a second or two. You’re like, okay.00:17:50.000 –> 00:17:52.000
Talk about that moment we Brett hit in00:17:52.000 –> 00:17:53.000
the chest. You know, the puck hits you,00:17:53.000 –> 00:17:55.000
you go down. I watched that video last00:17:55.000 –> 00:17:57.000
night. That was just scary as hell just00:17:57.000 –> 00:17:58.000
watching the video, and I knew you survived00:17:58.000 –> 00:17:59.000
it, but I’m like, in that moment, I00:17:59.000 –> 00:18:01.000
came imagine. Yeah. I I00:18:01.000 –> 00:18:04.000
when the whole Demar Hamlin thing happened, you00:18:05.000 –> 00:18:07.000
you know, obviously got Yeah. That got just00:18:07.000 –> 00:18:09.000
stood off and and, you know, being the00:18:09.000 –> 00:18:11.000
first one that it actually happened to.00:18:11.000 –> 00:18:14.000
I’m, you know, kinda relived it a little00:18:14.000 –> 00:18:14.000
bit more and00:18:15.000 –> 00:18:17.000
When it happens to you, that young in00:18:17.000 –> 00:18:17.000
your career,00:18:19.000 –> 00:18:21.000
you know, the the internet was still not00:18:21.000 –> 00:18:23.000
really. The internet Yeah. Wasn’t it was ninety00:18:23.000 –> 00:18:23.000
eight00:18:24.000 –> 00:18:26.000
ish, I think. Yeah. Main ninety eight.00:18:27.000 –> 00:18:28.000
There was not a lot of information out00:18:28.000 –> 00:18:30.000
there. There was not,00:18:30.000 –> 00:18:32.000
you know, dial up internet and all that00:18:32.000 –> 00:18:34.000
kind of stuff. It’s just you’re not researching00:18:34.000 –> 00:18:35.000
all that web I don’t even know if00:18:35.000 –> 00:18:37.000
it was born yet. Well, he’s been dead00:18:37.000 –> 00:18:39.000
if you went to WebMD. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.00:18:40.000 –> 00:18:42.000
Same symptom for everything. Yeah. But00:18:44.000 –> 00:18:46.000
You know, I I started to really research00:18:46.000 –> 00:18:47.000
and understand.00:18:48.000 –> 00:18:48.000
I was actually00:18:51.000 –> 00:18:54.000
closer to death than maybe a thought00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:56.000
as I talked to the trainer and talked00:18:56.000 –> 00:18:57.000
about what what I actually did have? Cause00:18:57.000 –> 00:19:00.000
I never really I didn’t really wanna know.00:19:00.000 –> 00:19:02.000
I’m just like, I just wanted to know00:19:02.000 –> 00:19:04.000
from the doctor. Can it happen again? Right.00:19:04.000 –> 00:19:07.000
Are there any short term, long term effects00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:08.000
if I go back to play.00:19:09.000 –> 00:19:10.000
And and once she cleared me of all00:19:10.000 –> 00:19:12.000
that, and she’s like, no. This is just00:19:12.000 –> 00:19:13.000
a random freak thing that00:19:14.000 –> 00:19:16.000
follow those things line up again. It can00:19:16.000 –> 00:19:17.000
happen, but the sequencing00:19:18.000 –> 00:19:19.000
has to be perfect. Yeah.00:19:19.000 –> 00:19:21.000
And the way it hits you has to00:19:21.000 –> 00:19:23.000
be perfect and where it hits you.00:19:24.000 –> 00:19:26.000
So I’m like, well, I just didn’t wanna00:19:26.000 –> 00:19:27.000
know. So I start to ask the trainer.00:19:27.000 –> 00:19:29.000
I’m like, so I get hit with a00:19:29.000 –> 00:19:30.000
puck, a block shot. I gave it with00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:32.000
a puck, and we’re killing a penalty.00:19:33.000 –> 00:19:35.000
And I was, like, kinda stung in Rindy00:19:35.000 –> 00:19:37.000
Troy, so I’m, like,00:19:37.000 –> 00:19:39.000
In my hand, I’m like, cover the puck00:19:39.000 –> 00:19:40.000
up, get a whistle, and then get to00:19:40.000 –> 00:19:42.000
the bench. Don’t let these people see it00:19:42.000 –> 00:19:44.000
down here. Yeah. Because they’re gonna be all00:19:44.000 –> 00:19:45.000
over you. Alright.00:19:46.000 –> 00:19:48.000
So in my hand, I do all that,00:19:48.000 –> 00:19:51.000
but then I must have blacked out. Like,00:19:51.000 –> 00:19:53.000
you kinda see I’m kind of Yeah. I’m00:19:53.000 –> 00:19:55.000
gonna go down. Stumblebee tuna right after I00:19:55.000 –> 00:19:57.000
get and take a stride, then boom, I’m00:19:57.000 –> 00:19:59.000
down. Thank god. I had my hands in00:19:59.000 –> 00:20:01.000
front of me. I would’ve broke my face.00:20:01.000 –> 00:20:04.000
And I I wake up, and, you know,00:20:04.000 –> 00:20:05.000
I’m in the middle of the ice. My00:20:05.000 –> 00:20:06.000
stuff’s open00:20:06.000 –> 00:20:08.000
all my stuffs off. And I look over00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:10.000
to our bench. People are crying, and I’m00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:12.000
just like, what’s going on here? So you00:20:12.000 –> 00:20:13.000
had your wherewithal. I mean, you knew what00:20:13.000 –> 00:20:15.000
was Once I woke up, I did. So00:20:15.000 –> 00:20:18.000
then as this whole Lamar Hamlett thing happened,00:20:18.000 –> 00:20:19.000
I started talking to the trainer. I’m like,00:20:19.000 –> 00:20:21.000
so because I kept getting asked about it.00:20:21.000 –> 00:20:23.000
And I was I don’t know. You know,00:20:23.000 –> 00:20:25.000
it kinda just happened. To know, but I00:20:25.000 –> 00:20:26.000
really didn’t.00:20:26.000 –> 00:20:28.000
So I started asking. I’m like, so what00:20:28.000 –> 00:20:30.000
exactly did happen?00:20:30.000 –> 00:20:31.000
I was like, well, you know, we got00:20:31.000 –> 00:20:32.000
out there.00:20:32.000 –> 00:20:33.000
You weren’t breathing.00:20:34.000 –> 00:20:37.000
You know, your lips were kinda panicked.00:20:38.000 –> 00:20:39.000
No defibrillator.00:20:40.000 –> 00:20:42.000
Back then, they had no defibrillators in the00:20:42.000 –> 00:20:42.000
building.00:20:43.000 –> 00:20:45.000
The ambulance was just a cart. It was00:20:45.000 –> 00:20:47.000
basically just to to get you to the00:20:47.000 –> 00:20:49.000
hospital. It wasn’t there was nothing in it.00:20:49.000 –> 00:20:50.000
That could help you.00:20:53.000 –> 00:20:55.000
And so here was starting to panic. My00:20:55.000 –> 00:20:56.000
lips were starting to turn a little bit00:20:56.000 –> 00:20:58.000
blue. He was like, yeah. We were just00:20:58.000 –> 00:21:00.000
getting ready to give you mouth to mouth00:21:00.000 –> 00:21:01.000
when you00:21:01.000 –> 00:21:03.000
kinda came to and took a Brett. And00:21:03.000 –> 00:21:04.000
they were like,00:21:04.000 –> 00:21:05.000
Wow.00:21:06.000 –> 00:21:07.000
Because they were they were just getting a00:21:07.000 –> 00:21:09.000
little nervous. I think I had, like, fifteen,00:21:09.000 –> 00:21:11.000
twenty seconds without breathing. And,00:21:12.000 –> 00:21:14.000
you know, unlike ham on. I think it00:21:14.000 –> 00:21:16.000
was, like, eight or nine minutes. Yeah. So00:21:16.000 –> 00:21:18.000
they they were and and then since then,00:21:18.000 –> 00:21:20.000
so then I went to hospital, did all00:21:20.000 –> 00:21:22.000
that. And since then, right, right after that00:21:22.000 –> 00:21:24.000
incident, they had fibrillators in the all the00:21:25.000 –> 00:21:27.000
buildings. Mhmm. They’ve, you know, retrofitted or fixed00:21:27.000 –> 00:21:29.000
the ambulance situation.00:21:29.000 –> 00:21:31.000
And three years after that, Yuri Fisher with00:21:31.000 –> 00:21:33.000
the Detroit Wed rings had a heart attack00:21:33.000 –> 00:21:34.000
on the bench00:21:34.000 –> 00:21:36.000
or right in front of the bench. And00:21:36.000 –> 00:21:39.000
they also had the doctors way up in00:21:39.000 –> 00:21:39.000
the top. Oh, yeah.00:21:40.000 –> 00:21:42.000
And and after that incident, they had the00:21:42.000 –> 00:21:43.000
doctors right behind the bench.00:21:44.000 –> 00:21:46.000
And fortunate enough for Yuri Fisher, the doctor00:21:46.000 –> 00:21:48.000
was right behind the bench, came off the00:21:48.000 –> 00:21:50.000
bench, came out, start give him out the00:21:50.000 –> 00:21:52.000
mouth, give him the00:21:52.000 –> 00:21:54.000
defibrillator and save his life. Save his life.00:21:54.000 –> 00:21:54.000
But, so I00:21:57.000 –> 00:21:59.000
that that happens. I’m in the hospital. I’m00:21:59.000 –> 00:22:01.000
I’m wearing a heart monitor for twenty four00:22:01.000 –> 00:22:04.000
hours tracking it, doing all that. And, again,00:22:04.000 –> 00:22:05.000
ask the doctor if, you know, is there00:22:05.000 –> 00:22:06.000
any00:22:06.000 –> 00:22:08.000
long term short term side effects if I00:22:08.000 –> 00:22:08.000
play.00:22:09.000 –> 00:22:10.000
And she’s like, no.00:22:11.000 –> 00:22:12.000
So I I’ve thought about Demar Ham. So00:22:12.000 –> 00:22:14.000
I wanted to rip the band aid off00:22:14.000 –> 00:22:16.000
fast. Right. Basically. Brett right back. So how00:22:16.000 –> 00:22:18.000
long did you set out? A a day?00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:19.000
I just No. So even, like, the next00:22:19.000 –> 00:22:20.000
day, you’re in the next day. So we00:22:20.000 –> 00:22:22.000
played a I don’t know. Let’s just say00:22:22.000 –> 00:22:24.000
that was a Tuesday? Yeah. Played on Thursday.00:22:24.000 –> 00:22:26.000
Oh, wow. So I stayed in the hospital00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:27.000
Tuesday night in Detroit,00:22:27.000 –> 00:22:29.000
flew back on Wednesday,00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:32.000
did all these tests, wore the heart monitor,00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:34.000
did all that.00:22:35.000 –> 00:22:36.000
Got up in the morning, went back to00:22:36.000 –> 00:22:37.000
the doctor.00:22:39.000 –> 00:22:41.000
Got checked out again. She looked at the00:22:41.000 –> 00:22:41.000
monitor.00:22:42.000 –> 00:22:43.000
The heart monitor that is,00:22:44.000 –> 00:22:45.000
did a battery of tests against, sat down00:22:45.000 –> 00:22:47.000
with her, talk to her.00:22:47.000 –> 00:22:49.000
You know, still not knowing whether gonna play,00:22:49.000 –> 00:22:51.000
but I prepared the night before like I00:22:51.000 –> 00:22:53.000
was gonna play. Just you never know. Yeah.00:22:53.000 –> 00:22:54.000
And then,00:22:56.000 –> 00:22:58.000
And then went down to the rank at,00:22:58.000 –> 00:22:59.000
like, 04:30.00:22:59.000 –> 00:23:01.000
I think we had a seven, maybe a00:23:01.000 –> 00:23:03.000
07:30 game. Went down to the rank at00:23:03.000 –> 00:23:04.000
04:30, and just, like, I got cleared to00:23:04.000 –> 00:23:06.000
play. So I’ll take up, see how I00:23:06.000 –> 00:23:06.000
feel.00:23:07.000 –> 00:23:09.000
And, well, you know, once once you put00:23:09.000 –> 00:23:11.000
your equipment on It’s a good time. For00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:11.000
me.00:23:12.000 –> 00:23:14.000
I’m not taking that shit Yeah. It’s not00:23:14.000 –> 00:23:15.000
it’s00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:17.000
not happening. Right. I’m like, once it’s on00:23:17.000 –> 00:23:18.000
You get to cut it off me again.00:23:18.000 –> 00:23:20.000
Well, I’m not sitting now. If if I00:23:20.000 –> 00:23:22.000
can if I can go out there and00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:24.000
do warm up and do all the time.00:23:24.000 –> 00:23:26.000
My might as well play. Right. And I00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:29.000
hate sitting upstairs. It sucks. Yeah. So00:23:30.000 –> 00:23:32.000
So, boy She just went back in and00:23:32.000 –> 00:23:34.000
there was her nerves. Oh, yeah. There was00:23:34.000 –> 00:23:35.000
nerves. You know, you again, to to the00:23:35.000 –> 00:23:37.000
point, do you wanna get hit, or you00:23:37.000 –> 00:23:38.000
wanna hit somebody, like, right00:23:39.000 –> 00:23:41.000
And, you know, just, the water flies and00:23:41.000 –> 00:23:43.000
the energy of coming out to the, out00:23:43.000 –> 00:23:44.000
to the rain, you know, you take warm00:23:44.000 –> 00:23:45.000
up and, you know, not everybody’s in the00:23:45.000 –> 00:23:48.000
building. Yeah. Playoff game, playing Detroit, So it’s00:23:48.000 –> 00:23:50.000
just crazy. Yeah. And,00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:52.000
and then I come out for00:23:54.000 –> 00:23:56.000
intros and come out, you know, to the00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:59.000
building electric and going bananas, and then, you00:23:59.000 –> 00:24:00.000
know, I come out. I was, like, one00:24:00.000 –> 00:24:02.000
of one of the last couple guys I00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:03.000
would always and00:24:03.000 –> 00:24:05.000
fancy erupted and all that kind of stuff00:24:05.000 –> 00:24:06.000
pretty cool. It brings it home. Oh, yeah.00:24:06.000 –> 00:24:08.000
Alright. Let’s go. Well, you get and then00:24:08.000 –> 00:24:10.000
you get the butterflies, like, alright. Let’s get00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:12.000
the Band Aid ripped off and hit somebody00:24:12.000 –> 00:24:15.000
somebody hit me, let’s get this out of00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:17.000
the way so we can get past this.00:24:17.000 –> 00:24:18.000
So in sports, I think for fans, I’m00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:21.000
curious always to talk to players on it’s00:24:21.000 –> 00:24:22.000
as big a deal for you guys. So00:24:22.000 –> 00:24:24.000
there’s the rivalries. Right? There’s there’s games that00:24:24.000 –> 00:24:27.000
mean more than than most. Obviously, playoffs always00:24:27.000 –> 00:24:29.000
do. But did you treat those differently, or00:24:29.000 –> 00:24:31.000
did did your mind go differently when you00:24:31.000 –> 00:24:33.000
were playing a certain robbery for the different00:24:33.000 –> 00:24:33.000
teams?00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:35.000
Like, you know, cubs cards in baseball. Right?00:24:35.000 –> 00:24:37.000
Like, there’s that thing. Did that matter to00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:39.000
you? Oh, yeah. For sure. You the the00:24:39.000 –> 00:24:42.000
team’s in your division. Yeah. And back then,00:24:42.000 –> 00:24:43.000
you gotta remember, you pay you played those00:24:43.000 –> 00:24:45.000
guys eight times. Mhmm. You know, the the00:24:45.000 –> 00:24:47.000
schedule has since changed in you know, you00:24:47.000 –> 00:24:48.000
don’t play00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:51.000
against those teams as much. You know, you’re00:24:51.000 –> 00:24:52.000
playing four home games, four road games, and00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:54.000
then you’re playing the team typically in the00:24:54.000 –> 00:24:55.000
playoffs and00:24:55.000 –> 00:24:57.000
You know, you’re playing on sat possibly seven00:24:57.000 –> 00:24:59.000
times and you’re playing it. You know, the00:24:59.000 –> 00:25:01.000
next rival you’re playing seven times, it just00:25:04.000 –> 00:25:04.000
you know, those00:25:05.000 –> 00:25:07.000
the hatred between the teams00:25:08.000 –> 00:25:08.000
intensifies00:25:09.000 –> 00:25:10.000
with each playoff00:25:13.000 –> 00:25:14.000
round that you play and we play Detroit00:25:14.000 –> 00:25:16.000
four years in a row.00:25:16.000 –> 00:25:17.000
This was00:25:18.000 –> 00:25:18.000
ninety00:25:20.000 –> 00:25:23.000
Ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven. This is,00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:24.000
like, ninety eight. This is this is a00:25:24.000 –> 00:25:26.000
fourth year in a rural plant. Yeah. You00:25:26.000 –> 00:25:28.000
know, near the Okay. Here we go again.00:25:28.000 –> 00:25:29.000
Here we go again.00:25:29.000 –> 00:25:32.000
And so, you know, it’s just that rivalry,00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:32.000
the00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:35.000
the feuds between the play years and, you00:25:35.000 –> 00:25:37.000
know, all the different things that happened over00:25:37.000 –> 00:25:39.000
years. We hadn’t beaten them. They Brett us00:25:39.000 –> 00:25:40.000
every year.00:25:41.000 –> 00:25:42.000
You know, so it was00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:45.000
It was getting intense. Yeah. When you get00:25:45.000 –> 00:25:46.000
a lot of The hits, you get a00:25:46.000 –> 00:25:46.000
little harder.00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:49.000
You know, and you’re sick of losing, you00:25:49.000 –> 00:25:51.000
know, getting pissed off. Yeah. Alright. Well, I’m00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:52.000
gonna get my pound watch.00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:55.000
Did you ever have one of those, guys00:25:55.000 –> 00:25:56.000
that you couldn’t stand playing against? But then00:25:56.000 –> 00:25:58.000
they became a teammate. Did that ever happen?00:25:58.000 –> 00:26:00.000
You’re always gonna run down. I’m sure I00:26:00.000 –> 00:26:01.000
was that guy for a lot of people00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:03.000
You know, you you play against players, you00:26:03.000 –> 00:26:06.000
know, you you recognize they’re good. Yep. And00:26:06.000 –> 00:26:07.000
you’re like, okay. You’re not gonna be good00:26:07.000 –> 00:26:09.000
against me. You’re just, you00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:11.000
know, you just try to get in the00:26:11.000 –> 00:26:13.000
kitchen and you try to,00:26:13.000 –> 00:26:15.000
you know, it’s when you’re a defenseman, it’s00:26:15.000 –> 00:26:17.000
different because if you’re a forward and you00:26:17.000 –> 00:26:19.000
beat me once, you might score ones.00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:21.000
There it is. You’ve done your job. Yeah.00:26:21.000 –> 00:26:23.000
You did your one thing. Yeah. You know,00:26:23.000 –> 00:26:25.000
so I’ve gotta be a hundred percent all00:26:25.000 –> 00:26:26.000
the time. Yep.00:26:26.000 –> 00:26:27.000
And so00:26:28.000 –> 00:26:30.000
I would, you know, rivalry games, playoffs. He00:26:30.000 –> 00:26:31.000
just00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:34.000
I would treat rivalry games like playoffs, where00:26:34.000 –> 00:26:35.000
you’re kinda ramping it up. You’re00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:37.000
you know, a good chance you’re gonna meet00:26:37.000 –> 00:26:39.000
them in the playoffs or anything. We’re gonna00:26:39.000 –> 00:26:41.000
Well, you probably feel We’re gonna let you00:26:41.000 –> 00:26:42.000
know what you’re in for. And the crowds00:26:42.000 –> 00:26:45.000
jacked up. Everybody. Okay. It’s00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:49.000
blackhawks, blues, you know. It’s just, you know,00:26:49.000 –> 00:26:51.000
a little different. Yeah. A little different than,00:26:51.000 –> 00:26:53.000
a normal game. And as you, you know,00:26:53.000 –> 00:26:54.000
and then when you start, you know, and00:26:54.000 –> 00:26:55.000
then it was the sharks, because we played00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:56.000
them two or three years in a row00:26:56.000 –> 00:26:58.000
in the playoffs. So just as you play00:26:58.000 –> 00:27:01.000
somebody in the playoffs, those rivalries get heated.00:27:01.000 –> 00:27:04.000
And Yeah. Talk about the, the Olympics versus00:27:04.000 –> 00:27:07.000
the Stanley Chris. Stanley cup play or Stanley00:27:07.000 –> 00:27:07.000
cup finals.00:27:08.000 –> 00:27:10.000
What was the big difference there for you?00:27:10.000 –> 00:27:10.000
Well,00:27:12.000 –> 00:27:13.000
Both are awesome.00:27:14.000 –> 00:27:14.000
Both,00:27:15.000 –> 00:27:16.000
you know, to get to a Stanley Cup00:27:16.000 –> 00:27:20.000
final takes a lot of grit and determination,00:27:20.000 –> 00:27:20.000
luck.00:27:22.000 –> 00:27:23.000
Chemistry,00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:24.000
teamwork.00:27:24.000 –> 00:27:26.000
You know, it’s nine to ten months of00:27:27.000 –> 00:27:27.000
being in the same fight with the same00:27:27.000 –> 00:27:28.000
guys over and over and over. The00:27:30.000 –> 00:27:32.000
up the downs, university.00:27:33.000 –> 00:27:34.000
You know, you get into an Olympic situation.00:27:34.000 –> 00:27:35.000
It’s too many00:27:38.000 –> 00:27:40.000
maybe two and a half weeks. Yeah. You’re00:27:40.000 –> 00:27:41.000
throwing together.00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:43.000
You know, and and for Canada, it’s a00:27:43.000 –> 00:27:45.000
lot different than a lot of these other00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:47.000
countries. We don’t have a national program00:27:48.000 –> 00:27:50.000
where guys go back and skate the summers00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:52.000
and go and, you know, play in the00:27:52.000 –> 00:27:55.000
US development program Gilliland and have played together,00:27:55.000 –> 00:27:57.000
we’re always playing against other in junior, you00:27:57.000 –> 00:28:00.000
know, in different junior programs, you’re always playing00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
against each other. You’re never playing together. And00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000
so00:28:04.000 –> 00:28:04.000
those,00:28:04.000 –> 00:28:05.000
those teams00:28:06.000 –> 00:28:08.000
have a little bit better chemistry typically coming00:28:08.000 –> 00:28:09.000
out of the gate because they’ve all played00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:11.000
it with each other at some point. Yeah.00:28:11.000 –> 00:28:13.000
And they’re familiar with the one. We hate00:28:13.000 –> 00:28:14.000
each other.00:28:14.000 –> 00:28:16.000
We all wanna beat each other up, but00:28:16.000 –> 00:28:17.000
now for two and a half weeks. Yeah.00:28:17.000 –> 00:28:18.000
So now for two and a half weeks,00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:19.000
you gotta kind of00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000
let your buy guns be buy Gilliland,00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
and come together as a group. And,00:28:25.000 –> 00:28:27.000
you know, it’s and sometimes it works, and00:28:27.000 –> 00:28:29.000
sometimes it doesn’t. Yeah. And sometimes just the00:28:29.000 –> 00:28:31.000
industry is not there. Like,00:28:32.000 –> 00:28:34.000
for us in in o six, in Italy,00:28:35.000 –> 00:28:37.000
it just we just did not have good00:28:37.000 –> 00:28:38.000
mastery. It was kind of the changing of00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:40.000
the guard. We had ninety eight and o00:28:40.000 –> 00:28:41.000
two were00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:43.000
a lot of the same players. O two00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:44.000
and ten. Right?00:28:44.000 –> 00:28:46.000
And and then in o six, they choose,00:28:46.000 –> 00:28:48.000
you know, some guys were retiring, and and00:28:48.000 –> 00:28:50.000
we had a we had a different group00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:52.000
of players. It just was a00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:54.000
was00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
I don’t know. I didn’t think they they00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
either they didn’t coach or they didn’t00:29:00.000 –> 00:29:00.000
pick the00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:03.000
makeup of the team. It just didn’t. I00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
didn’t feel like our chemistry was that good.00:29:05.000 –> 00:29:07.000
But you played for four? Four. So at00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:09.000
ninety eight was the first year we could00:29:09.000 –> 00:29:09.000
play.00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:10.000
In Nagano,00:29:11.000 –> 00:29:13.000
and Gretzky was on the team,00:29:13.000 –> 00:29:14.000
and00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:17.000
I learned a lot from that year because00:29:17.000 –> 00:29:19.000
we played not to lose. Okay. Like, we00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:19.000
were00:29:20.000 –> 00:29:22.000
just the way we played, it just wasn’t00:29:22.000 –> 00:29:24.000
we weren’t lay leaving it all out there.00:29:24.000 –> 00:29:26.000
We weren’t putting our foot on the gas.00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:27.000
It was like, alright.00:29:28.000 –> 00:29:30.000
What can we do? Okay. Let’s massage and00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:31.000
let’s go win. Yep.00:29:31.000 –> 00:29:33.000
And it it didn’t feel like we were00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:35.000
getting better. We were just winning.00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:37.000
We’re finding a way to win versus00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:40.000
getting better. Yeah. Just on talent and, you00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:43.000
know, our our skill. Yep. And not our00:29:43.000 –> 00:29:45.000
teamwork and not things like that that get00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:46.000
better as you get more comfortable with one00:29:46.000 –> 00:29:47.000
one another.00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:48.000
And,00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:50.000
you know, we lost in a shoot out00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:52.000
to the check team00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:54.000
in the semi finals. And it was, like,00:29:55.000 –> 00:29:56.000
you know, it was for us at that00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:57.000
time. It was, like, gold or bust, gold00:29:57.000 –> 00:29:58.000
or Brett. And00:29:59.000 –> 00:30:00.000
we lost that game, and it was, like,00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:01.000
it was over.00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:04.000
And we still had a bronze medal game.00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:06.000
We didn’t even show up. Like, it was00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:08.000
just brutal. Right. No. We lost the Finland00:30:08.000 –> 00:30:09.000
in that game, and it was like, you00:30:09.000 –> 00:30:11.000
know, why do we care at this point?00:30:11.000 –> 00:30:12.000
Well, you know, as you think back and00:30:12.000 –> 00:30:14.000
you look at it, you’re like, I wish00:30:14.000 –> 00:30:16.000
we would’ve would’ve been nice to say. I00:30:16.000 –> 00:30:18.000
got two Gilliland a bronze. Yeah. You know,00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:21.000
but was just the mentality in the mindset00:30:21.000 –> 00:30:22.000
was gold medal.00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:24.000
The only thing I wanna we gotta win00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:25.000
is a goal, just the pressure of of00:30:27.000 –> 00:30:30.000
air of the expectations, and then just of00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:33.000
how we managed and handled things was not00:30:33.000 –> 00:30:33.000
great.00:30:33.000 –> 00:30:34.000
And then in o two, we got off00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:34.000
to a crappy start. We got00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:39.000
in our first game by Sweden. I think00:30:39.000 –> 00:30:41.000
it was, like, six two or something. I00:30:41.000 –> 00:30:42.000
mean, and they dominated us.00:30:43.000 –> 00:30:44.000
But from that game,00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:48.000
we got better and better We made a00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:49.000
few adjustments,00:30:49.000 –> 00:30:50.000
change the goalie,00:30:51.000 –> 00:30:51.000
change,00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:55.000
you know, move some d d around, change00:30:55.000 –> 00:30:56.000
lines a little bit. You know, you just00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:59.000
you’re looking for the right combinations, you’re looking00:30:59.000 –> 00:31:00.000
for the right chemistry,00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:03.000
and we got better. Each game, you could00:31:03.000 –> 00:31:04.000
see us trending00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:06.000
and getting better and better and better.00:31:07.000 –> 00:31:09.000
And and from that, you could see, okay,00:31:09.000 –> 00:31:11.000
this is how what we did wrong in00:31:11.000 –> 00:31:13.000
ninety eight, we’re not doing that in00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
We were winning, not great. We weren’t we00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:18.000
weren’t playing great teams, you know, because you’re00:31:18.000 –> 00:31:20.000
still, like, playing Germany and playing some of00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:21.000
these teams at the time that weren’t very00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:22.000
good.00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.000
And you’re working your way up.00:31:24.000 –> 00:31:26.000
And as that chemistry,00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:29.000
we we got through, then we got through00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:31.000
the semi Gilliland then we played the US00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:32.000
in the finals, and we were running all00:31:32.000 –> 00:31:35.000
cylinders and confident and Yep. They had no00:31:35.000 –> 00:31:37.000
chance. No. I think we beat them five00:31:37.000 –> 00:31:39.000
two. So when you think about that. So00:31:39.000 –> 00:31:40.000
you talked about chemistry and culture and all00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:41.000
that makes me think about. So when you00:31:41.000 –> 00:31:43.000
play for the blues, and we’ll go the00:31:43.000 –> 00:31:44.000
steamy cup in a minute. But we play00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:46.000
you play for the blues, you had the00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:48.000
big c, right? The captain on Jersey. What00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
what did that mean to you? What did00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:51.000
that mean for you in the locker room00:31:51.000 –> 00:31:53.000
as a leader? Because again, I in this00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
podcast, we got tons of business people to00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:57.000
listen. Right? And so tying that, if can00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:58.000
look at it from that lens and what00:31:58.000 –> 00:32:00.000
that means to the man or woman running00:32:00.000 –> 00:32:02.000
a company right now that the big c00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:04.000
on their suit code or whatever. What’s mean00:32:04.000 –> 00:32:05.000
to them?00:32:05.000 –> 00:32:06.000
Yeah. It’s,00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
you know, I think in in sports,00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:13.000
it’s it’s a little bit different in than00:32:13.000 –> 00:32:13.000
business.00:32:14.000 –> 00:32:17.000
But it’s the same. Yeah. Right. And and,00:32:17.000 –> 00:32:19.000
you know, everybody looks at the the captain00:32:19.000 –> 00:32:20.000
and, like, alright, he’s the guy in the00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:22.000
locker room the glue. He’s the guy holding00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:23.000
everybody accountable.00:32:24.000 –> 00:32:25.000
It’s a little bit more than that. You00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:25.000
need a group. You00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:30.000
need core group of leaders00:32:31.000 –> 00:32:33.000
that can’t always be the captain Right. Getting00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:34.000
in people’s faces,00:32:35.000 –> 00:32:36.000
you know, holding people accountable,00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:39.000
pulling people aside, just not on time in00:32:39.000 –> 00:32:41.000
a day to be doing that. And so00:32:41.000 –> 00:32:43.000
you need a core group of guys00:32:44.000 –> 00:32:47.000
to really kind of buy into what the00:32:47.000 –> 00:32:47.000
coach is selling.00:32:48.000 –> 00:32:49.000
To get the group to buy into what00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:50.000
they’re selling00:32:50.000 –> 00:32:52.000
and get them play that way.00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:53.000
And00:32:54.000 –> 00:32:56.000
and buy and and and come together as00:32:56.000 –> 00:32:58.000
a group. Because the one difference00:32:58.000 –> 00:33:00.000
from business to sports is every year is00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:01.000
different.00:33:01.000 –> 00:33:04.000
Yeah. Right. You’re you’re aging, you’re sharing. You’re00:33:04.000 –> 00:33:04.000
developing00:33:06.000 –> 00:33:07.000
faster.00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:08.000
You know, you’re either aging out or you’re00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:09.000
coming up. You know, players00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:14.000
have your earth players have down years. Yeah.00:33:14.000 –> 00:33:15.000
I mean, there’s all you know, and it00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:17.000
happens in business too, but more so in00:33:17.000 –> 00:33:18.000
sports where00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:21.000
in order to be successful, Gilliland00:33:21.000 –> 00:33:23.000
win and win a championship,00:33:23.000 –> 00:33:25.000
everything’s gotta go great. Yeah. You gotta have00:33:25.000 –> 00:33:26.000
luck.00:33:26.000 –> 00:33:28.000
You gotta be healthy. You gotta have guys00:33:28.000 –> 00:33:30.000
having career years. You gotta, you know, in00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:32.000
hockey, you could have a hot goalie. I00:33:32.000 –> 00:33:34.000
mean, there’s you’re gonna have all those things,00:33:34.000 –> 00:33:35.000
but if you don’t have a hot goalie,00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:36.000
you’re done.00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:39.000
For the blues. Right? Yeah. You’re not winning.00:33:39.000 –> 00:33:41.000
So there’s so many different things that play00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:44.000
into it. But but then, you know,00:33:44.000 –> 00:33:46.000
more for me was, alright,00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:48.000
I hold I hold myself00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:50.000
to this standard.00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
I’m not I’m not holding you to that00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:56.000
standard. I’m holding myself to standard. But you00:33:56.000 –> 00:33:57.000
Brett be at this standard. Mhmm.00:33:58.000 –> 00:33:59.000
I don’t ask you to find anything I00:33:59.000 –> 00:34:00.000
wouldn’t do.00:34:01.000 –> 00:34:02.000
I’m the first one in the gym. I’m00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
the one on the ice. I’m working on00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:05.000
my craft. I’m00:34:05.000 –> 00:34:07.000
in the training room, making sure I’m healthy00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
so I can go play every single game00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:09.000
I can.00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
And I’m putting the time and effort in00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:13.000
to00:34:13.000 –> 00:34:15.000
to be the best I can be each00:34:15.000 –> 00:34:15.000
and every day00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:18.000
and prepare properly so that00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:20.000
we can00:34:21.000 –> 00:34:23.000
survive a nine month grind00:34:23.000 –> 00:34:25.000
and a two month playoff grind to win00:34:25.000 –> 00:34:26.000
a championship.00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:29.000
Physical grind at that. Physical and mental. Yeah.00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:30.000
Just the ups and downs,00:34:31.000 –> 00:34:34.000
it’s it’s a roller coaster. And so to00:34:36.000 –> 00:34:38.000
to be sharp and to understand, you know,00:34:38.000 –> 00:34:41.000
as my career evolved, I got better and00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:42.000
better at that and and understanding my00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:46.000
body understanding what I needed to do, how00:34:46.000 –> 00:34:48.000
I needed to train throughout the course of00:34:48.000 –> 00:34:49.000
the season00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
to make sure I wasn’t have as b00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:52.000
having as big a drop off.00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:54.000
Playing thirty minutes a night00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:58.000
always against top line. Always match up against00:34:58.000 –> 00:34:59.000
best player.00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:01.000
You know, I gotta play physical against the00:35:01.000 –> 00:35:03.000
big guy the other team, and I gotta,00:35:03.000 –> 00:35:05.000
you know, there’s a I’m managing a bunch00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000
of different Gilliland00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:08.000
trying00:35:09.000 –> 00:35:11.000
map out, oh, and I also need to00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
provide offense. I also need to, a lot00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:15.000
of times, help run the power play. I,00:35:15.000 –> 00:35:17.000
you know, you’re juggling a lot of hats.00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
And you’re and then you’re looking at it00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:20.000
going well,00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:22.000
you know, as I look back at my00:35:22.000 –> 00:35:23.000
career and I look at all the games00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:25.000
played now, I’m like, well, people are like,00:35:25.000 –> 00:35:27.000
oh, You only got six hundred points. And00:35:27.000 –> 00:35:29.000
I’m like, well, five hundred ninety eight if00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:32.000
somebody looks, it’s almost six hundred for those00:35:32.000 –> 00:35:33.000
small checkers. Pardon me?00:35:34.000 –> 00:35:36.000
Six hundred and ninety eight. Six ninety eight.00:35:36.000 –> 00:35:37.000
Six seven hundred. Pardon me.00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:39.000
But00:35:40.000 –> 00:35:42.000
Could I have gotten more points? Sure.00:35:42.000 –> 00:35:44.000
Right. But at what cost?00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:47.000
Where you’re it would detract from somewhere else.00:35:48.000 –> 00:35:50.000
I was more about winning.00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:53.000
If you look back through history, whether it’s00:35:53.000 –> 00:35:55.000
me looking at playing June when I play00:35:55.000 –> 00:35:57.000
junior hockey and you work all the way00:35:57.000 –> 00:35:59.000
to mine in my career, when you look00:35:59.000 –> 00:36:01.000
at the players who are wanted the most,00:36:02.000 –> 00:36:04.000
who typically get paid at some point,00:36:04.000 –> 00:36:05.000
are winners?00:36:06.000 –> 00:36:08.000
Who gets plucked from all the if you00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:10.000
look at football, baseball, basketball,00:36:10.000 –> 00:36:13.000
hockey? Who gets plucked from these championship teams?00:36:14.000 –> 00:36:15.000
The meet guys.00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:18.000
The the role players that because they’re successful.00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:19.000
They know how to win.00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:22.000
Are they overpaid to do what they’re supposed00:36:22.000 –> 00:36:22.000
probably.00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:26.000
But there’s teams that don’t have that00:36:27.000 –> 00:36:29.000
intangible that they’re trying to pay for. So00:36:31.000 –> 00:36:33.000
And then if you’re able to do that00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:33.000
as a00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:36.000
all star top, you know, if you’re top00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000
two or however your top six top four00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:41.000
d whatever, you’re gonna get paid too. Yep.00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
You might not get paid there,00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:44.000
but you’re gonna get paid somewhere, you know,00:36:44.000 –> 00:36:46.000
the next week, because you’re a winner. Yep.00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:49.000
You’re champion. You know, so it’s Well, and00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:51.000
that’s what’s it’s about trying to sell that.00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:53.000
Right? It’s about trying to sell that. Yeah.00:36:53.000 –> 00:36:54.000
It’s about listen.00:36:55.000 –> 00:36:58.000
Short term pain for long term gain, you00:36:58.000 –> 00:36:59.000
you may not be00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
doing what you necessarily wanna do within our00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:04.000
system, within, you know, when you pick up00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
a guy from on trade or signing or00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:06.000
whatever.00:37:07.000 –> 00:37:08.000
This is our culture.00:37:08.000 –> 00:37:10.000
You’re you’re selling a culture. This is it.00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:12.000
This is how we operate. This is This00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:15.000
is our locker room. Yep. Everybody in here,00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:16.000
this is how we do it. How much00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
of that is talked about in the locker00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:19.000
room? Like, are you, like, if, you know,00:37:19.000 –> 00:37:21.000
a, b, and c is the principles that00:37:21.000 –> 00:37:22.000
you guys are fighting for this year. You00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:24.000
know, is like It gets Is that00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:26.000
I mean, it’s every every game, every day?00:37:27.000 –> 00:37:29.000
You get you have when you have good00:37:29.000 –> 00:37:30.000
coaches,00:37:31.000 –> 00:37:34.000
they meet with the leadership to, like, every00:37:34.000 –> 00:37:36.000
every and again, every year you’re tweaking it,00:37:36.000 –> 00:37:39.000
every year you’re learning, you’re adapting. Yep. You’re00:37:39.000 –> 00:37:41.000
looking at your Pronger. How does that how00:37:41.000 –> 00:37:42.000
how can we00:37:45.000 –> 00:37:47.000
change, modify, or adapt our message to the00:37:47.000 –> 00:37:48.000
group. Yeah.00:37:49.000 –> 00:37:49.000
And00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:53.000
it’s the players. It’s the leadership group, as00:37:53.000 –> 00:37:54.000
I mentioned, that are selling it. It’s not00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:57.000
the coach. Yeah. Right. He they’re, like, you’re00:37:57.000 –> 00:37:58.000
sick of here. He’s not in there. He’s00:37:58.000 –> 00:37:58.000
in there,00:37:59.000 –> 00:38:01.000
every single day. If he’s in there selling00:38:01.000 –> 00:38:02.000
that every day, it’s prob.00:38:03.000 –> 00:38:05.000
You’re tuned out right away. The moment he00:38:05.000 –> 00:38:07.000
opens his mouth again to do something else,00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:09.000
you you’ve lost the room. Everybody’s tuned out.00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:12.000
So you gotta have a couple different guys00:38:12.000 –> 00:38:14.000
in a couple different groups, like I’ll use00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:15.000
Anaheim,00:38:15.000 –> 00:38:16.000
the year we won the cup. You know,00:38:16.000 –> 00:38:17.000
we had different sections00:38:19.000 –> 00:38:20.000
of the room.00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:23.000
You know, I sat over as you walked00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
in our locker. I sat on the right00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
side.00:38:25.000 –> 00:38:27.000
I couldn’t really see the left side because00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:30.000
it was tucked over here. So we had00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:31.000
a guy over there.00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:34.000
In that side, dealing with that group. And00:38:34.000 –> 00:38:35.000
over here on this group to the right,00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:36.000
we had a couple of young guys and00:38:36.000 –> 00:38:37.000
a couple00:38:38.000 –> 00:38:39.000
Dman, a couple of young guys were trying00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:42.000
to move along, trying to teach how to00:38:42.000 –> 00:38:43.000
be Chris, and they’re in my group over00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:45.000
here. And then over here across away. You00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:47.000
know, these are the quieter guys, but they00:38:47.000 –> 00:38:49.000
know they know how to win. They’re they’re00:38:49.000 –> 00:38:51.000
on point. They’re over there. You got another00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
group over here that’s00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:56.000
far end. So you kinda have these quadrants,00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000
you know, you hear about the quads and,00:38:58.000 –> 00:38:59.000
you know, all these different things.00:39:00.000 –> 00:39:00.000
So00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:02.000
we spent most of our time because we’re00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:04.000
all and they’re getting dressed talk. And we’re00:39:04.000 –> 00:39:05.000
in our little bubble over there.00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:07.000
You know, you’re you’re talking to the whole00:39:07.000 –> 00:39:09.000
group in the locker room, but you’re you’re00:39:09.000 –> 00:39:11.000
talking to that little main core right there.00:39:12.000 –> 00:39:14.000
Right? Yeah. Because they’re right there. So, you00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:15.000
know, you got these young guys and you’re00:39:15.000 –> 00:39:17.000
talking to them about how to be pros,00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
and you need to, you know, you the00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:19.000
coach00:39:20.000 –> 00:39:21.000
in Anaheim did a great job of trying00:39:21.000 –> 00:39:23.000
to trying to them how to be pros00:39:23.000 –> 00:39:25.000
from a coach’s perspective.00:39:25.000 –> 00:39:27.000
And then it’s incumbent upon the leadership group00:39:27.000 –> 00:39:28.000
and the players to00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:30.000
drag along, like, you gotta get in the00:39:30.000 –> 00:39:31.000
gym.00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:33.000
Let’s go Brett in here. You gotta you00:39:33.000 –> 00:39:34.000
gotta prepare. That’s what I was gonna ask.00:39:34.000 –> 00:39:36.000
What defines If you go out and have00:39:36.000 –> 00:39:38.000
a good time, You better show up to00:39:38.000 –> 00:39:41.000
work the next day. Yeah. Like, you’re not00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:43.000
going to the back of the line every00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:43.000
time, and,00:39:44.000 –> 00:39:46.000
you’re not doing drills because you’re hungover.00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:49.000
If you’re doing that, then just don’t come00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:50.000
out. Right.00:39:50.000 –> 00:39:52.000
We’re we’re trying to get better. We’re working00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:53.000
on stuff out here. Did you and did00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
you notice I’m assuming this answer is yes,00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000
but did you notice a difference between as00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:58.000
like you and the Gretzky. I mean, you00:39:58.000 –> 00:40:00.000
came to Saint Louis. Right? You had McGinnis00:40:00.000 –> 00:40:02.000
Hall Gretzky, you on the team. I mean,00:40:02.000 –> 00:40:03.000
that’s a hell of a team. Right? So00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:06.000
did you find those were different on everything00:40:06.000 –> 00:40:06.000
from preparation,00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:08.000
physically, emotionally,00:40:09.000 –> 00:40:11.000
going out at night, not going out at00:40:11.000 –> 00:40:12.000
night. Was that different than a lot of00:40:12.000 –> 00:40:13.000
people?00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:15.000
Well, I think Yeah. You learn. You know,00:40:15.000 –> 00:40:17.000
like, I got here. I was twenty, turning00:40:17.000 –> 00:40:20.000
twenty one. Al was, I think, thirty one.00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:20.000
So00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:24.000
I’m catching him. He’s got kids. He’s more00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:24.000
sure he’s00:40:25.000 –> 00:40:27.000
Yep. He’s in the prime of his career.00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:29.000
So I’m coming in at the start of00:40:29.000 –> 00:40:31.000
my career, and I’m, like, kinda just soaking00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
it all in, like, watching how we prepare00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:34.000
how he practices,00:40:34.000 –> 00:40:36.000
how he handles the media,00:40:36.000 –> 00:40:38.000
how, you know, what what is he doing00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:39.000
in the off season?00:40:39.000 –> 00:40:42.000
You know, and and as my career00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
started to take shape,00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:47.000
I then met with his trainer00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:50.000
and, and started working with him. And00:40:51.000 –> 00:40:53.000
I I met him at Al’s house. And00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:54.000
I walked in the front door and I00:40:54.000 –> 00:40:56.000
Charles was right over here to the left.00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:58.000
I walked in. He’s like, hey, walk toward00:40:58.000 –> 00:41:00.000
me. I took five steps.00:41:01.000 –> 00:41:02.000
He’s like, alright, now turn around and go00:41:02.000 –> 00:41:03.000
walk back. Okay?00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:05.000
He’s like, you got a bad left knee?00:41:05.000 –> 00:41:06.000
I go, yeah.00:41:07.000 –> 00:41:09.000
He’s like, you got a sore rotator cuff00:41:09.000 –> 00:41:11.000
on your right shoulder. Yeah. It’s like00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:13.000
just00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:16.000
by watching me walk five steps.00:41:16.000 –> 00:41:18.000
You could tell just the way my body00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:19.000
was moving00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:22.000
and the weight distribution, I don’t know, weight00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:22.000
distribution,00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:23.000
and00:41:23.000 –> 00:41:25.000
the hitch in my staff, whatever. I mean,00:41:25.000 –> 00:41:27.000
you you’re not paying attention to that, I’m00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:29.000
like Right. I’m twenty two years old.00:41:30.000 –> 00:41:30.000
Whatever.00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:34.000
What what are you talking about? Remaid, you00:41:34.000 –> 00:41:37.000
know, how I hate, you know, nutrition wise,00:41:39.000 –> 00:41:42.000
you know, and that kind of was the00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
start of taking that next step. Alright. How00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:46.000
good do you wanna be?00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:48.000
How much you will in a sacrifice?00:41:49.000 –> 00:41:50.000
You know, because at the end of the00:41:50.000 –> 00:41:52.000
day, that’s what it is. It’s sacrificing00:41:52.000 –> 00:41:54.000
something to be great at something.00:41:54.000 –> 00:41:56.000
Because there are there’s a Gilliland a take00:41:56.000 –> 00:41:58.000
for everything. I think too, for me, like,00:41:58.000 –> 00:41:59.000
I had a business coach early on in00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:01.000
my career, right, that I spent, you know,00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
lots of money on, that maybe I didn’t00:42:03.000 –> 00:42:05.000
wanna do or maybe couldn’t afford back then.00:42:05.000 –> 00:42:06.000
But even that for you guys. Right? That00:42:06.000 –> 00:42:09.000
guy probably wasn’t free. I’m assuming that’s off.00:42:09.000 –> 00:42:11.000
No. Back then, he was expensive. Right. And00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:13.000
I’m saying so, I mean, investing yourself. Right?00:42:13.000 –> 00:42:16.000
Again, business leaders invest in a coach, invest00:42:16.000 –> 00:42:18.000
in a mentor, invest in something, right, to00:42:18.000 –> 00:42:19.000
give back. Do you agree with that? No.00:42:19.000 –> 00:42:21.000
A hundred percent. No. You have to. You00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:22.000
know, how how good do you wanna be?00:42:22.000 –> 00:42:24.000
Yeah. We don’t we don’t know everything out00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:25.000
of the gate. You can’t read a book.00:42:25.000 –> 00:42:27.000
One size does not fit all. Yep. We00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:29.000
all soak in information differently.00:42:30.000 –> 00:42:31.000
And and we all have00:42:32.000 –> 00:42:33.000
strengths and weaknesses.00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:36.000
And you’re not gonna know them. You need00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
somebody to help point them out and say,00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:41.000
this is a blind spot. You’re not seeing.00:42:41.000 –> 00:42:42.000
You need to work on Chris. And, oh,00:42:42.000 –> 00:42:44.000
okay. You’re really good at this, but you00:42:44.000 –> 00:42:46.000
only do this. Yeah. You need to do00:42:46.000 –> 00:42:49.000
this too. Add this to your repertoire.00:42:49.000 –> 00:42:51.000
Yeah. Now do Chris. And once you honed00:42:51.000 –> 00:42:53.000
that, do this. And so00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
I think you have to really00:42:58.000 –> 00:42:59.000
kinda go in eyes wide open and and00:42:59.000 –> 00:43:00.000
have an understanding how00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
much you wanna get better. How much00:43:07.000 –> 00:43:07.000
whether,00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:10.000
you know, running a business, whether you’re playing00:43:10.000 –> 00:43:12.000
a sport, whatever it is. It’s your commitment00:43:12.000 –> 00:43:14.000
to excellence and your commitment to getting better.00:43:14.000 –> 00:43:15.000
Yep.00:43:15.000 –> 00:43:17.000
Showing up every day to improve.00:43:18.000 –> 00:43:19.000
Well, I think that’s the key right there.00:43:19.000 –> 00:43:20.000
Showing up on days even when you don’t00:43:20.000 –> 00:43:22.000
want to or you’re a little maybe. Right?00:43:22.000 –> 00:43:23.000
I mean, there’s a quote. I see Michael00:43:23.000 –> 00:43:26.000
Phelps up there. Yeah. Five years straight,00:43:27.000 –> 00:43:28.000
trained every00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:32.000
single day. Yep. Every day. Every day. Every00:43:32.000 –> 00:43:34.000
day. And by the way, if you’ve ever00:43:34.000 –> 00:43:35.000
swam, like Chris guy swam,00:43:37.000 –> 00:43:38.000
not easy. No.00:43:39.000 –> 00:43:40.000
There’s lots of days. I’m sure he was00:43:40.000 –> 00:43:43.000
like Man, my shoulders are sore. My backs00:43:43.000 –> 00:43:43.000
are sore.00:43:44.000 –> 00:43:46.000
Or just mentally didn’t wanna do it. It00:43:46.000 –> 00:43:47.000
was cool. Alright.00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
Like, yeah, living in Baltimore. You know, he00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:50.000
had a,00:43:51.000 –> 00:43:52.000
he had a post it, I read his00:43:52.000 –> 00:43:54.000
book. I’m fascinated by what he did. And00:43:54.000 –> 00:43:55.000
and he had a post it note though,00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:56.000
and it had by the milliseconds.00:43:57.000 –> 00:43:59.000
What he was gonna do each race. Yeah.00:43:59.000 –> 00:44:00.000
And if you look, it’ll show, like, what00:44:00.000 –> 00:44:01.000
he had written down and what he did00:44:01.000 –> 00:44:02.000
the race.00:44:03.000 –> 00:44:05.000
For five man, you’re talking milliseconds.00:44:05.000 –> 00:44:09.000
Working. Yeah. Poning. Yeah. Working on that turn.00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:13.000
Yeah. K. Turn. Can I save a millisecond?00:44:13.000 –> 00:44:15.000
Yeah. Can I say, how can I transition00:44:15.000 –> 00:44:17.000
fast? Like, just it’s Well, that guy, I00:44:17.000 –> 00:44:19.000
remember who it was, but the guy that00:44:19.000 –> 00:44:20.000
was dancing, doing stuff in front of him00:44:20.000 –> 00:44:22.000
and Michael Phillips didn’t even budge, man. And00:44:22.000 –> 00:44:23.000
then he went out there and, you know,00:44:23.000 –> 00:44:24.000
kicked the guy’s ass or then the the00:44:24.000 –> 00:44:26.000
swim, they showed the the camera under the00:44:26.000 –> 00:44:28.000
water the guy was looking over at him.00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:30.000
And he’s gonna That’s water, and he’s just00:44:30.000 –> 00:44:30.000
like00:44:31.000 –> 00:44:33.000
Yeah. Champions look at the wall. Right?00:44:34.000 –> 00:44:35.000
Place guy looks champion. Don’t focus on the00:44:35.000 –> 00:44:38.000
competition. Focus on you. That’s right. That’s right.00:44:38.000 –> 00:44:39.000
So what was it like for you? Then00:44:39.000 –> 00:44:40.000
as you, you know, you progress in your00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:42.000
career, you obviously, you started to have a00:44:42.000 –> 00:44:44.000
family. Right? So how old were kiddos, they00:44:44.000 –> 00:44:46.000
were born, like, probably your oldest was born00:44:46.000 –> 00:44:48.000
when you were in the two thousands. I00:44:48.000 –> 00:44:49.000
was,00:44:49.000 –> 00:44:50.000
twenty00:44:52.000 –> 00:44:53.000
let’s see. Here.00:44:54.000 –> 00:44:56.000
Jack’s o two. So I was twenty,00:44:57.000 –> 00:44:59.000
eight. Yeah. So o two. So you still00:44:59.000 –> 00:45:01.000
had a good, you know, 10:11 years left00:45:01.000 –> 00:45:03.000
in your career. Did you balance the the00:45:03.000 –> 00:45:06.000
family side and the and the sports side00:45:06.000 –> 00:45:07.000
when you’re obviously on on the road and00:45:07.000 –> 00:45:09.000
traveling? It’s hard, you know, it’s hard. You’re00:45:09.000 –> 00:45:11.000
you gotta finite amount of time. You never00:45:11.000 –> 00:45:13.000
know your career is gonna be over.00:45:14.000 –> 00:45:17.000
And and you have to invest in your00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
career. You gotta be all in on your00:45:19.000 –> 00:45:21.000
craft and getting Brett. And00:45:22.000 –> 00:45:24.000
as your body evolves, as you get more00:45:24.000 –> 00:45:25.000
injuries, as you,00:45:26.000 –> 00:45:28.000
you know, as the punishment and toll of00:45:28.000 –> 00:45:30.000
playing a certain way, it takes its, form00:45:30.000 –> 00:45:31.000
on you. Have to00:45:32.000 –> 00:45:35.000
kinda re reshape and and remold yourself and00:45:35.000 –> 00:45:36.000
into a way that works. Yep. You know,00:45:36.000 –> 00:45:37.000
you’re changing things and altering how you train00:45:40.000 –> 00:45:42.000
and what you eat and all those different00:45:42.000 –> 00:45:42.000
things. And,00:45:44.000 –> 00:45:45.000
you know, and and in the midst of00:45:45.000 –> 00:45:45.000
that,00:45:48.000 –> 00:45:50.000
I got traded out of here in o00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:51.000
five.00:45:51.000 –> 00:45:53.000
We have the lock out o four. I00:45:53.000 –> 00:45:53.000
have00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:56.000
major wrist surgery, major knee surgery in,00:45:58.000 –> 00:45:59.000
o 02:03.00:45:59.000 –> 00:46:01.000
So I missed that whole year. Then I00:46:01.000 –> 00:46:03.000
came back and I played o 03:04.00:46:05.000 –> 00:46:05.000
And then,00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:09.000
We had the lockout in o five zero00:46:09.000 –> 00:46:10.000
zero 04:05. And then I got traded and00:46:10.000 –> 00:46:11.000
played00:46:15.000 –> 00:46:18.000
Edmitin in o in o 05:06, then Anaheim,00:46:18.000 –> 00:46:19.000
o 07:0600:46:19.000 –> 00:46:20.000
zero seven.00:46:20.000 –> 00:46:22.000
And then on So now, honey, let’s go.00:46:22.000 –> 00:46:25.000
09:10. I’m in Filly. So you’re, you know,00:46:25.000 –> 00:46:28.000
four four cities in five years.00:46:28.000 –> 00:46:31.000
Oh, around the whole country? Yeah. Going to00:46:31.000 –> 00:46:32.000
four different locations.00:46:32.000 –> 00:46:34.000
Yeah. You know? So it’s Maybe we should00:46:34.000 –> 00:46:36.000
have her on the podcast Yeah. To talk00:46:36.000 –> 00:46:37.000
about how to deal with that. Why are00:46:37.000 –> 00:46:40.000
we doing this? You know, so it was,00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:43.000
I bounced around. You know, I never really00:46:43.000 –> 00:46:44.000
added it up like that, but five years,00:46:44.000 –> 00:46:46.000
I was in four different teams. Yeah. Bang.00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:47.000
Bang. Bang. It’s00:46:47.000 –> 00:46:50.000
crazy. So what what role do you think00:46:50.000 –> 00:46:52.000
athletes play? I mean, because you’re you’re, you00:46:52.000 –> 00:46:54.000
know, we I think we as humans, whether00:46:54.000 –> 00:46:56.000
it’s right or wrong, probably wrong. We we00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.000
put you guys on this pedestal. Like, you’re00:46:58.000 –> 00:46:59.000
on the limelight. We see it. We play.00:46:59.000 –> 00:47:01.000
We root for you. But what role do00:47:01.000 –> 00:47:03.000
you do you think you guys play in00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:05.000
the community? Because I know the work that00:47:05.000 –> 00:47:06.000
you do as a community you know, your00:47:06.000 –> 00:47:08.000
guys’ golf tournament, you and Dan Deardorf, played00:47:08.000 –> 00:47:09.000
that this year. Amazing.00:47:10.000 –> 00:47:12.000
Huge impact on our local charities. But as00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:15.000
an athlete, and then for today’s athletes, role00:47:15.000 –> 00:47:16.000
do they play00:47:16.000 –> 00:47:17.000
in the communities that we all live in?00:47:17.000 –> 00:47:19.000
Yeah. I’ll sum it up. You know, I’ve00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:20.000
I’ve always00:47:21.000 –> 00:47:23.000
been invested in the communities I played in,00:47:23.000 –> 00:47:24.000
you00:47:24.000 –> 00:47:26.000
know, I think it’s a a great way00:47:26.000 –> 00:47:27.000
to get back. It’s a great way to00:47:27.000 –> 00:47:29.000
be involved in the community and meet people00:47:29.000 –> 00:47:32.000
and and meet those that are out supporting00:47:32.000 –> 00:47:35.000
you. You support the the local community and00:47:35.000 –> 00:47:36.000
the charities that are,00:47:36.000 –> 00:47:38.000
nearest and dearest,00:47:39.000 –> 00:47:42.000
you know, Brett Burke, my initial GM in00:47:42.000 –> 00:47:43.000
Hartford,00:47:43.000 –> 00:47:45.000
and then was my GM in Anaheim.00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
I mean, he summed it up best. He’s00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:48.000
like, the and and00:47:49.000 –> 00:47:51.000
from a you talk about leadership and you00:47:51.000 –> 00:47:51.000
talk about,00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:53.000
you know,00:47:53.000 –> 00:47:55.000
setting up that vertical owner00:47:56.000 –> 00:47:57.000
manager00:47:57.000 –> 00:47:59.000
coach player,00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:01.000
you know, and he was like,00:48:01.000 –> 00:48:03.000
this is this is what we do here.00:48:03.000 –> 00:48:05.000
This is the culture we are setting. We’re00:48:05.000 –> 00:48:07.000
saying we’re creating a winning tradition. Yep. And00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:09.000
we’re also giving creating a tradition of we’re00:48:09.000 –> 00:48:11.000
gonna be invested in the community. We’re gonna00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:13.000
get back. We’re gonna do Chris, you know,00:48:13.000 –> 00:48:15.000
we’re gonna do something every month for the,00:48:15.000 –> 00:48:16.000
you know,00:48:16.000 –> 00:48:19.000
Greater Orange County community. Yeah. We’re gonna be00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:21.000
doing x y z. If you have a00:48:21.000 –> 00:48:23.000
problem with your ice time, do not talk00:48:23.000 –> 00:48:25.000
to me. Talk your coach.00:48:25.000 –> 00:48:27.000
You wanna be traded. Come talk to me.00:48:27.000 –> 00:48:29.000
You got a problem off the ice. Come00:48:29.000 –> 00:48:31.000
talk to me. But you have anything to00:48:31.000 –> 00:48:32.000
do with hockey?00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
Your head coach is right over there. Go00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:35.000
see don’t come to me.00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:37.000
I’m not I’m not doing That’s not how00:48:37.000 –> 00:48:38.000
it works. And there’s a chain of command,00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
and there’s a there’s a00:48:41.000 –> 00:48:43.000
x y z. This is everybody’s roles, responsibilities.00:48:44.000 –> 00:48:46.000
I have mine. Coach has his, and you00:48:46.000 –> 00:48:48.000
as a player have yours. So talk to00:48:48.000 –> 00:48:50.000
us about the couple, some of the best00:48:50.000 –> 00:48:52.000
moments that you think back in your career.00:48:53.000 –> 00:48:54.000
Just the highlights. What are some of those00:48:54.000 –> 00:48:56.000
best hockey moments for you that you think00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:58.000
fans, listen, would love to hear? Yeah. You00:48:58.000 –> 00:49:00.000
know, and I think one of the ones00:49:00.000 –> 00:49:01.000
that I never really00:49:03.000 –> 00:49:04.000
took a lot of joy in and a00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:06.000
lot of pleasure in that I wish I00:49:06.000 –> 00:49:07.000
wouldn’t have been so00:49:08.000 –> 00:49:10.000
every year when you don’t win, you’re just00:49:10.000 –> 00:49:12.000
pissed off. You’re just Like,00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:16.000
it sucks to lose. I hated losing more00:49:16.000 –> 00:49:17.000
than I like to win. Yeah. And it00:49:17.000 –> 00:49:19.000
just drove me bananas.00:49:20.000 –> 00:49:21.000
And I took a lot of that stuff00:49:21.000 –> 00:49:23.000
early on in my career, probably the first00:49:23.000 –> 00:49:24.000
ten years of my career till I had00:49:24.000 –> 00:49:27.000
kids. I just took the everything from the00:49:27.000 –> 00:49:28.000
rank home.00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:30.000
And I couldn’t separate. I just I would00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:33.000
I’d be thinking about a play I made00:49:33.000 –> 00:49:34.000
four days ago,00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:37.000
sleeping or whatever. Just pissed me off. And00:49:37.000 –> 00:49:38.000
it took me a while to learn how00:49:38.000 –> 00:49:40.000
to, like, just let go of the game00:49:40.000 –> 00:49:41.000
and just00:49:42.000 –> 00:49:43.000
you you gotta just turn the page and00:49:43.000 –> 00:49:45.000
get going. And, when00:49:46.000 –> 00:49:47.000
won the heart in Chris Trophy in two00:49:47.000 –> 00:49:48.000
thousand.00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:50.000
Yeah. That was a pretty big moment. Yeah.00:49:50.000 –> 00:49:51.000
I really didn’t00:49:52.000 –> 00:49:53.000
enjoy it the way I should have I00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:55.000
was still thinking, you know, we had won00:49:55.000 –> 00:49:57.000
the president trophy that year. We were thinking00:49:57.000 –> 00:49:59.000
Stanley Cup, we had a team, and00:50:00.000 –> 00:50:02.000
you’re losing the first round, and you’re like,00:50:02.000 –> 00:50:02.000
what00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:06.000
I was just so pissed off. Still,00:50:06.000 –> 00:50:08.000
a month and a half later at the00:50:08.000 –> 00:50:09.000
awards banquet, I just, you know, it was00:50:09.000 –> 00:50:12.000
great. Thanks. It was Brett. But you’re just,00:50:12.000 –> 00:50:13.000
like, Yeah.00:50:14.000 –> 00:50:15.000
And and I didn’t really get the That’s00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
what made you good though too. Right? Well,00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
yeah. It’s what drives you, but, you know,00:50:19.000 –> 00:50:21.000
there’s moments like that where,00:50:21.000 –> 00:50:24.000
you know, you know, winning the Stanley Cup00:50:24.000 –> 00:50:25.000
was graded on my on my family was00:50:25.000 –> 00:50:27.000
there. It was awesome.00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:30.000
My kids were old enough to remember it00:50:30.000 –> 00:50:31.000
too. You know, there weren’t babies sitting at00:50:31.000 –> 00:50:32.000
the top.00:50:35.000 –> 00:50:36.000
You know, again, Olympic,00:50:37.000 –> 00:50:39.000
you know, them being there at the Olympics00:50:39.000 –> 00:50:40.000
in twenty ten.00:50:40.000 –> 00:50:41.000
They were a little bit older, so they00:50:41.000 –> 00:50:43.000
got to enjoy it.00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:46.000
You know, o two. My wife was pregnant00:50:46.000 –> 00:50:48.000
with Jack. So it was you know, just00:50:48.000 –> 00:50:51.000
a lot of different storylines, but, you know,00:50:51.000 –> 00:50:52.000
those two were that they could be at00:50:52.000 –> 00:50:53.000
in in o o seven and and00:50:55.000 –> 00:50:55.000
ten.00:50:56.000 –> 00:50:58.000
We’re pretty special. I’m just00:50:58.000 –> 00:51:00.000
soaking it up, knowing that,00:51:01.000 –> 00:51:03.000
you know, I spent thirteen years to win00:51:03.000 –> 00:51:05.000
a a championship in the NHL00:51:05.000 –> 00:51:07.000
You know, and you you’re like, you just00:51:07.000 –> 00:51:09.000
never know. Don’t make it there. No. You00:51:09.000 –> 00:51:10.000
and and and they don’t00:51:11.000 –> 00:51:14.000
you think it’s easy. It’s not easy. Like,00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.000
you see, oh, this guy four cops or00:51:16.000 –> 00:51:18.000
this guy one. I go. Yeah. They they’re00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:20.000
on great teams, and they’ve got great players00:51:20.000 –> 00:51:22.000
and on and on and on. They hit00:51:22.000 –> 00:51:22.000
the,00:51:23.000 –> 00:51:25.000
you know, everybody’s hit the right00:51:25.000 –> 00:51:26.000
peaking at the right time.00:51:27.000 –> 00:51:29.000
And then there’s other teams who are like,00:51:29.000 –> 00:51:30.000
damn, we had good teams, and you didn’t00:51:30.000 –> 00:51:31.000
even get a sniff00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:33.000
Like, there were teams here in Saint Louis.00:51:33.000 –> 00:51:34.000
We were like,00:51:34.000 –> 00:51:37.000
we had good teams. Yeah. And the teams00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:38.000
at one were like, damn, we could’ve beat00:51:38.000 –> 00:51:41.000
them. You did and sometimes it’s the match00:51:41.000 –> 00:51:42.000
ups, you know, where00:51:45.000 –> 00:51:47.000
Dallas could beat Detroit00:51:49.000 –> 00:51:51.000
Detroit could beat us, but we could be00:51:51.000 –> 00:51:53.000
Dallas. Mhmm. And and just00:51:53.000 –> 00:51:55.000
all the You catch them. You know, and00:51:55.000 –> 00:51:57.000
and just who you mat who you playing00:51:57.000 –> 00:51:59.000
and how you match up and it,00:52:00.000 –> 00:52:02.000
any of the big hits that, you know,00:52:02.000 –> 00:52:04.000
you go through your highlight reel of your00:52:04.000 –> 00:52:06.000
career. Right? I know there’s lots. I know00:52:06.000 –> 00:52:08.000
how you playing. There’s lots of those. I00:52:08.000 –> 00:52:09.000
don’t know if there’s I’ve seen you swing00:52:09.000 –> 00:52:10.000
a golf ball. I’m like, damn.00:52:11.000 –> 00:52:12.000
There’s my back.00:52:12.000 –> 00:52:14.000
I don’t know if there’s one per se,00:52:14.000 –> 00:52:15.000
but,00:52:16.000 –> 00:52:17.000
you know, there’s lots that00:52:17.000 –> 00:52:18.000
you’re00:52:18.000 –> 00:52:19.000
you’re00:52:19.000 –> 00:52:19.000
lying00:52:20.000 –> 00:52:22.000
in a up and you’re like I see00:52:22.000 –> 00:52:24.000
it coming. Well, you can just and then00:52:24.000 –> 00:52:26.000
when you hit them and you don’t feel00:52:26.000 –> 00:52:28.000
it, like, that was so pure. It’s kinda00:52:28.000 –> 00:52:29.000
like hitting a golf ball. You hit a00:52:29.000 –> 00:52:30.000
golf ball it is. It was just pure.00:52:30.000 –> 00:52:32.000
Like, oh, that was good. That was good.00:52:32.000 –> 00:52:34.000
I want more of that. I didn’t think00:52:34.000 –> 00:52:36.000
of it that way. That’s probably true. That’s00:52:36.000 –> 00:52:38.000
probably true. Because because if you don’t hit00:52:38.000 –> 00:52:39.000
it pure,00:52:39.000 –> 00:52:41.000
And it hurts you, you’re like, oh, that00:52:41.000 –> 00:52:43.000
hurts. I hit one thin on a nice00:52:43.000 –> 00:52:44.000
cold day. Nice cold day. Yeah. No. No00:52:44.000 –> 00:52:46.000
good. No good. That’s no good. Let’s turn00:52:46.000 –> 00:52:48.000
to page from hockey to whiskey.00:52:49.000 –> 00:52:51.000
Staring at Chris, whiskey here for those not00:52:51.000 –> 00:52:54.000
watching their listening, the journey, j r n00:52:54.000 –> 00:52:57.000
y. You can it’s it’s nominal.00:52:57.000 –> 00:52:59.000
First time we hung out, we had some00:52:59.000 –> 00:53:01.000
journey. You know, it was some good stuff.00:53:01.000 –> 00:53:02.000
So talk about this, man. This is you00:53:02.000 –> 00:53:05.000
and your brother. Yeah. And, talk about the00:53:05.000 –> 00:53:06.000
journey. Yeah.00:53:06.000 –> 00:53:08.000
I had been looking00:53:08.000 –> 00:53:10.000
my brother and I’ve been talking for, like,00:53:10.000 –> 00:53:11.000
four or five years, trying to figure out00:53:12.000 –> 00:53:14.000
something we could do together.00:53:15.000 –> 00:53:15.000
And,00:53:16.000 –> 00:53:18.000
just nothing really resonated00:53:19.000 –> 00:53:20.000
and,00:53:20.000 –> 00:53:22.000
about two and a half years ago now.00:53:23.000 –> 00:53:25.000
One of my brothers friends, and, hey, I00:53:25.000 –> 00:53:26.000
wanna introduce you to this guy.00:53:27.000 –> 00:53:29.000
He runs Snagger, false Kraft distillers. You know,00:53:29.000 –> 00:53:31.000
they’re looking for a partner in a whisk00:53:32.000 –> 00:53:35.000
longtime whiskey drinker, as my brother likes to00:53:35.000 –> 00:53:36.000
say, we’ve put in a lot of research00:53:36.000 –> 00:53:38.000
in the moment. A lot of R and00:53:38.000 –> 00:53:40.000
D. Thirty plus years of R and D.00:53:40.000 –> 00:53:42.000
Don’t do the math. Right.00:53:44.000 –> 00:53:46.000
And so, you know, it was a long00:53:46.000 –> 00:53:49.000
time crown drinker It’s Canadian whiskey. So,00:53:51.000 –> 00:53:53.000
he brought this to us and we were00:53:53.000 –> 00:53:55.000
thinking about it. We’re like, oh, how is00:53:55.000 –> 00:53:56.000
this gonna work?00:53:56.000 –> 00:53:58.000
You know, I had I know I knew00:53:58.000 –> 00:53:59.000
a lot of people in the spirits business.00:54:01.000 –> 00:54:03.000
Mhmm. Different way. Yeah. But, you know, not00:54:03.000 –> 00:54:06.000
never made one and and kinda taken on00:54:06.000 –> 00:54:09.000
a project of this magnitude. And, you know,00:54:09.000 –> 00:54:10.000
as we kinda walked through it and looked00:54:10.000 –> 00:54:13.000
at it from a business standpoint, and then,00:54:13.000 –> 00:54:14.000
you know, you you wanna be able to00:54:14.000 –> 00:54:16.000
enjoy and have some have fun with it00:54:16.000 –> 00:54:16.000
and00:54:17.000 –> 00:54:17.000
what’s00:54:18.000 –> 00:54:20.000
not what’s not fun about whiskey. I don’t00:54:20.000 –> 00:54:21.000
know. Canadian whiskey back.00:54:22.000 –> 00:54:25.000
New school Canadian whiskey had that. So,00:54:25.000 –> 00:54:27.000
you know, we said, oh, we’re like, okay.00:54:27.000 –> 00:54:29.000
If we’re gonna do this and you know00:54:29.000 –> 00:54:31.000
me well enough now. If I’m gonna do00:54:31.000 –> 00:54:33.000
something, I’m all in. Yeah. And I’m like,00:54:33.000 –> 00:54:34.000
alright, if we’re doing this,00:54:35.000 –> 00:54:37.000
I want control of the00:54:37.000 –> 00:54:38.000
the liquid,00:54:38.000 –> 00:54:40.000
the the branding.00:54:41.000 –> 00:54:42.000
So we own the IP for all this00:54:42.000 –> 00:54:44.000
stuff, and and Nagaphos does a great job00:54:44.000 –> 00:54:45.000
making it for us.00:54:46.000 –> 00:54:48.000
Number was forty four as well? His number00:54:48.000 –> 00:54:49.000
was fifty four. Oh, so you got the00:54:49.000 –> 00:54:51.000
But forty four is the percent00:54:52.000 –> 00:54:52.000
alcohol.00:54:54.000 –> 00:54:55.000
A little homage to me, but00:54:56.000 –> 00:54:57.000
it’s a it’s a Well, maybe if he00:54:57.000 –> 00:54:59.000
gets It’s a little bit stronger whiskey than,00:55:00.000 –> 00:55:02.000
Crown or any the other Canadian whiskey on00:55:02.000 –> 00:55:03.000
the market. But,00:55:05.000 –> 00:55:07.000
we had a base of what we, you00:55:07.000 –> 00:55:07.000
know,00:55:08.000 –> 00:55:10.000
what we liked. And then we’re like, alright.00:55:10.000 –> 00:55:11.000
Is there anyway, we if00:55:12.000 –> 00:55:13.000
for how we had a lot of things00:55:13.000 –> 00:55:15.000
we didn’t like about it, we’re like, okay.00:55:15.000 –> 00:55:18.000
Can we fix, we wanna fix the burn.00:55:18.000 –> 00:55:21.000
We think more people will drink there’s no00:55:21.000 –> 00:55:22.000
burn. Mhmm. We wanna, you know,00:55:23.000 –> 00:55:25.000
add a little bit of spice, little sweetness,00:55:25.000 –> 00:55:27.000
little, you know, little tweaks here and there.00:55:28.000 –> 00:55:30.000
It’s in there’s no preservative no additives.00:55:31.000 –> 00:55:32.000
It’s very pure.00:55:33.000 –> 00:55:36.000
And so we did we did it over00:55:36.000 –> 00:55:38.000
facetime. They send us a sample. Remember that00:55:38.000 –> 00:55:40.000
I would get on FaceTime, we’d take it,00:55:40.000 –> 00:55:41.000
you know, to drink what do you like?00:55:41.000 –> 00:55:43.000
What do you not like? Take notes?00:55:43.000 –> 00:55:44.000
Send send them back to notes and be00:55:44.000 –> 00:55:47.000
like, alright. Can you change it? More of00:55:47.000 –> 00:55:48.000
that. And not knowing the lingo of, you00:55:48.000 –> 00:55:50.000
know, brewmaster lingo. We’re like,00:55:51.000 –> 00:55:53.000
can you do this? And like, oh, well,00:55:53.000 –> 00:55:55.000
that’s that. I’m like, okay, great. But Yeah.00:55:55.000 –> 00:55:56.000
Just do that.00:55:56.000 –> 00:55:58.000
Okay. How you do it? Just do it.00:55:58.000 –> 00:56:00.000
However you do that. Do that. And, and00:56:00.000 –> 00:56:02.000
so the second time around, like, okay, it’s00:56:02.000 –> 00:56:04.000
a little bit better. But can you, you00:56:04.000 –> 00:56:06.000
know, there’s still some burn. Can you get00:56:06.000 –> 00:56:07.000
rid of that? Can you do this?00:56:08.000 –> 00:56:10.000
And then on a third try,00:56:11.000 –> 00:56:13.000
we both took a sip and were like00:56:14.000 –> 00:56:17.000
That’s it. Boom. That’s it. That is exactly00:56:17.000 –> 00:56:19.000
what we’re trying to do. Love it. And00:56:19.000 –> 00:56:21.000
that is what you’re tasting right now.00:56:22.000 –> 00:56:23.000
And so00:56:24.000 –> 00:56:25.000
from that, any, you know,00:56:26.000 –> 00:56:28.000
maybe a little naive to the politics00:56:29.000 –> 00:56:30.000
and the legal and the00:56:31.000 –> 00:56:33.000
government and all the hoops you gotta jump00:56:33.000 –> 00:56:34.000
through. And,00:56:35.000 –> 00:56:37.000
you know, we kinda worked through all that.00:56:37.000 –> 00:56:38.000
And, it’s like,00:56:39.000 –> 00:56:40.000
twenty two months, I think, to get to00:56:40.000 –> 00:56:41.000
market.00:56:42.000 –> 00:56:44.000
And now we’ve been, six months in the00:56:44.000 –> 00:56:45.000
market. And,00:56:46.000 –> 00:56:48.000
in Missouri, relaunched in Saint Louis and and00:56:48.000 –> 00:56:49.000
Missouri, Southern, Illinois.00:56:50.000 –> 00:56:51.000
And,00:56:52.000 –> 00:56:54.000
and now we’re at some right over Yes.00:56:54.000 –> 00:56:55.000
And then,00:56:57.000 –> 00:56:58.000
now we’re in New York.00:56:58.000 –> 00:56:59.000
Ontario00:57:00.000 –> 00:57:02.000
will be in Alberta next month. We’ll be00:57:02.000 –> 00:57:04.000
in Texas next month. Oh, man.00:57:04.000 –> 00:57:07.000
And then, a little further down the line00:57:07.000 –> 00:57:09.000
will be in Southern California. But those are00:57:09.000 –> 00:57:10.000
the five core00:57:10.000 –> 00:57:13.000
markets that we wanna Gilliland00:57:13.000 –> 00:57:15.000
talk about the name. J r and y,00:57:15.000 –> 00:57:17.000
the journey. On the back of the bottle,00:57:17.000 –> 00:57:18.000
that is our tagline.00:57:20.000 –> 00:57:23.000
And it says, celebrate the victories be proud00:57:23.000 –> 00:57:23.000
of your scars.00:57:24.000 –> 00:57:26.000
Enjoy the journey. I love that. And really,00:57:26.000 –> 00:57:27.000
when you think about it,00:57:28.000 –> 00:57:29.000
it really is all about the journey. It’s00:57:29.000 –> 00:57:31.000
about the journey of life. It’s about the00:57:31.000 –> 00:57:32.000
journey you’re on.00:57:32.000 –> 00:57:34.000
You have a great day. You00:57:34.000 –> 00:57:36.000
you sell a company.00:57:36.000 –> 00:57:37.000
You win a championship.00:57:37.000 –> 00:57:39.000
What’s thing you wanna do, you wanna have00:57:39.000 –> 00:57:40.000
a glass of whiskey, you wanna tell your00:57:40.000 –> 00:57:42.000
friend, you wanna tell your mom and dad,00:57:42.000 –> 00:57:43.000
you wanna tell your spouse,00:57:43.000 –> 00:57:45.000
you wanna you wanna hang with your buddies00:57:45.000 –> 00:57:47.000
and just revel in the00:57:47.000 –> 00:57:49.000
joy of winning. You have a bad day.00:57:49.000 –> 00:57:50.000
Get kicked in the face. You00:57:53.000 –> 00:57:54.000
lose.00:57:55.000 –> 00:57:56.000
Wanna do. You wanna have a glass of00:57:56.000 –> 00:57:58.000
whiskey, you wanna tell your buddies, you wanna00:57:58.000 –> 00:57:59.000
tell your spouse, you wanna tell your mom00:57:59.000 –> 00:58:01.000
and dad, you wanna tell somebody, and you00:58:01.000 –> 00:58:01.000
wanna00:58:04.000 –> 00:58:07.000
sit and talk about it and about the00:58:07.000 –> 00:58:08.000
journey that you’ve been on. And so, as00:58:08.000 –> 00:58:08.000
we started talking about my00:58:11.000 –> 00:58:12.000
wrote a book called The Journeyman.00:58:13.000 –> 00:58:15.000
He played in,00:58:15.000 –> 00:58:17.000
sixteen teams in eleven years. He bounced around00:58:17.000 –> 00:58:18.000
a lot. And so he coined himself the00:58:21.000 –> 00:58:21.000
journeyman,00:58:21.000 –> 00:58:23.000
and we shortened it to the journey because00:58:23.000 –> 00:58:26.000
it’s just about the journey, and about, you00:58:26.000 –> 00:58:27.000
know, our own unique journeys that we’re on00:58:27.000 –> 00:58:29.000
and the stories you tell of the people00:58:29.000 –> 00:58:30.000
you meet,00:58:31.000 –> 00:58:33.000
And so that’s kinda where we got the00:58:33.000 –> 00:58:34.000
name from00:58:35.000 –> 00:58:38.000
and kinda and and and since we, you00:58:38.000 –> 00:58:40.000
know, came up with this naming, I don’t00:58:40.000 –> 00:58:41.000
know, it was, like, two years ago.00:58:42.000 –> 00:58:44.000
Every time I talked to something, not necessarily00:58:44.000 –> 00:58:46.000
about the whiskey, just in general, in a00:58:46.000 –> 00:58:47.000
conversation,00:58:48.000 –> 00:58:49.000
How many times I hear the word journey?00:58:49.000 –> 00:58:50.000
Yeah.00:58:50.000 –> 00:58:53.000
All the time. All the time. Always so00:58:53.000 –> 00:58:54.000
you’re just always gonna be top of mind00:58:54.000 –> 00:58:56.000
because it’s about the journey. Oh, the journey00:58:56.000 –> 00:58:58.000
you’re on, and I’ll far as your journey.00:58:59.000 –> 00:59:00.000
Duh, duh, duh, whatever. Well, it’s funny. I00:59:00.000 –> 00:59:02.000
was on a business actually my business coach00:59:02.000 –> 00:59:04.000
yesterday on a call. And, he talked about00:59:04.000 –> 00:59:07.000
the journey. And he said sometimes people compare00:59:07.000 –> 00:59:08.000
their journey to other journey. Like, I wanna00:59:08.000 –> 00:59:11.000
be where that guy’s at. That gal’s at.00:59:11.000 –> 00:59:13.000
All Chris stuff, but yet your journey is00:59:13.000 –> 00:59:14.000
your journey. Correct.00:59:14.000 –> 00:59:17.000
And live your journey to the best of00:59:17.000 –> 00:59:19.000
its ability. Right? Dominate that journey. Yep. Don’t00:59:19.000 –> 00:59:21.000
worry about what everybody else is doing. Yeah.00:59:21.000 –> 00:59:23.000
So last couple of questions here.00:59:24.000 –> 00:59:25.000
Future, Brett in your past. You see the00:59:25.000 –> 00:59:27.000
sticker here. You saw the journal and the00:59:27.000 –> 00:59:30.000
hat earlier. Is, our firm’s mission,00:59:30.000 –> 00:59:32.000
is to help people achieve a future grade00:59:32.000 –> 00:59:34.000
in their past. So when you hear that00:59:34.000 –> 00:59:36.000
future grade in your past, what comes to00:59:36.000 –> 00:59:37.000
mind for Chris Browner?00:59:38.000 –> 00:59:39.000
I would say00:59:39.000 –> 00:59:40.000
for me,00:59:40.000 –> 00:59:43.000
paying it forward and raising kids to be00:59:43.000 –> 00:59:44.000
successful00:59:44.000 –> 00:59:45.000
and00:59:47.000 –> 00:59:48.000
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them to fail. It’s allowing them to01:00:10.000 –> 01:00:12.000
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career, life after it’s getting better every single01:00:25.000 –> 01:00:27.000
day, whatever that is01:00:28.000 –> 01:00:29.000
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you know,01:00:50.000 –> 01:00:52.000
when somebody hears your name, what do they01:00:52.000 –> 01:00:53.000
think of? You01:00:53.000 –> 01:00:56.000
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my focused on that right now. Yes. Because01:01:59.000 –> 01:02:01.000
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but I’m not gonna do it my whole01:02:03.000 –> 01:02:03.000
life. Right.01:02:04.000 –> 01:02:05.000
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that people always wanna01:02:10.000 –> 01:02:12.000
throw at throw at you. And, you know,01:02:12.000 –> 01:02:14.000
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CEO of AB or Joe Blow, the01:02:16.000 –> 01:02:19.000
CEO, emerson. And and that’s your01:02:20.000 –> 01:02:21.000
whole being.01:02:21.000 –> 01:02:23.000
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last question. I lied. Was it hard for01:02:28.000 –> 01:02:30.000
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whatever.01:02:44.000 –> 01:02:46.000
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ballistic01:02:59.000 –> 01:03:02.000
a playoff game and twenty thousand, sixty thousand,01:03:02.000 –> 01:03:04.000
eighty thousand people going crazy, screaming and yelling01:03:04.000 –> 01:03:05.000
your name, whether they hate you or love01:03:05.000 –> 01:03:06.000
you.01:03:06.000 –> 01:03:08.000
You hear it all. Yeah. You hear it01:03:08.000 –> 01:03:09.000
Gilliland01:03:11.000 –> 01:03:13.000
you don’t ever it’s like that paint man01:03:13.000 –> 01:03:15.000
in commercial. He’s like talking to the screaming01:03:15.000 –> 01:03:17.000
at the accountant and doing that stuff,01:03:17.000 –> 01:03:20.000
it it’s it’s just there’s nothing like it.01:03:20.000 –> 01:03:22.000
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again. You can try.01:03:24.000 –> 01:03:26.000
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all this different stuff. And it’s just, you01:03:28.000 –> 01:03:30.000
know, that adrenaline part, that Brett.01:03:31.000 –> 01:03:34.000
Can’t find it. No. Yeah. Chris Pronger. Thanks01:03:34.000 –> 01:03:35.000
for being with us, man, the circle of01:03:35.000 –> 01:03:37.000
success. I’m very humbled at a guy like01:03:37.000 –> 01:03:39.000
you with your, your pedigree, your background, and01:03:39.000 –> 01:03:41.000
the man you are. It’s, it’s amazing. You01:03:41.000 –> 01:03:42.000
come over here and swim time with us01:03:42.000 –> 01:03:44.000
and our listeners, and I’m very thankful for01:03:44.000 –> 01:03:46.000
that, my man. Thank you. Good to have01:03:46.000 –> 01:03:47.000
you on the journey.01:03:51.000 –> 01:03:52.000
You.1 hr 5 min - A Deeper Dive Into ROI | A Return On Integrity
Unlock the key to achieving the desired results in your life by delving into the profound concept of integrity and its far-reaching impact. Join Brett Gilliland and John Blumberg in this engaging podcast episode as John sheds light on essential aspects of his book, “The Return on Integrity: How Honesty and Values Create Success from the Ground Up.” Gain insights into the reasons behind silence in the face of workplace misconduct and discover how breaking this silence can bring about positive change, even in uncomfortable situations. Tune in to explore the transformative power of integrity for personal and professional success.
https://youtu.be/JZN9kImwAW8
John Blumberg: [00:00:00] The circuit of success podcast, the circuit of success podcast with your host, Brett.
Brett Gilliland: Welcome to the circuit of success. I’m your host, Brett Gilliland. And today we have in the office or the studio, as we like to call it is John Blumberg. John, welcome to the show, Brett. Great to be here with you. It’s exciting. And, uh, really one, I appreciate you even doing this in, uh, in person. I know you, uh, drove down from Chicago to spend some time with us.
Uh, for those of you, uh, my, my good friend over here, you can’t see him on the, on the camera, from KPMG, Andrew Davidson, and, uh, so appreciate the introduction, Andrew, and, uh, we’re gonna have a, a great show, um, today, John is an author, he’s a speaker, he’s a husband, he’s a father, he’s a Christian, he’s, he’s all sorts of stuff, so it’s gonna be fun, so, as we do with everybody, John, why don’t you just take our listeners through a little, a journey of your life, if you will, and, and tell us what’s helped make you the man you are today.
Yeah, I
John Blumberg: think it, [00:01:00] and you, I think you name it well, in that it is a journey, and I think at any moment, uh, that you think you’ve arrived, or that you think, okay, I’ve got this all figured out, that’s where you’re back to, uh, ground zero, uh, and I, uh, I, I just watched the evolution. I spent 18 years at Arthur Anderson, uh, actually started as a CPA in audit.
And, uh, I always say shifted my focus from numbers to people and, uh, spent the bulk of my time, uh, there actually working on, uh, the human development of our professionals and, and, uh, spent a lot of time eventually helping, uh, direct our recruiting worldwide. And through that process, uh, there was a lot. Um, that I learned about myself is that I helped others learn about themselves.
And I think over time, um, I just thought if you could help others be better at what they do. And it really culminated, I was, uh, in a firm wide role and we did these student leadership conferences. And there was a guy Uh, it was a student, uh, that came up to me at the end of the presentation. It was a, [00:02:00] a three day thing.
I had a Saturday night, uh, keynote that I did in my role, and it was called Getting a Vision for Your Life. And, um, people would always come up and say, John, I like your stories. Uh, but this guy, Sam, walked up, and he said, um, and he was the last guy in line, and you always pay attention to the last one, right, because they don’t want anybody behind them, right?
And he said, Mr. Blumberg, uh, what you shared tonight I think will change the direction of my life. And what’s ironic about that is I wish I knew Sam’s last name because I would go find him because a year later him coming up to me that night changed the direction of my life. Um, walking away, uh, from pretty much everything, a firm, a position, everything that was wonderful was a stumbling block that I had to let go of.
And I’ve learned a lot about letting go, uh, in the years to follow, but it began this journey of, um, Eventually leadership and then eventually, uh, uh, core values. And of course, you can’t go out and be speaking on something that you’re not continually growing on. So, and
Brett Gilliland: would you say that was a passion of yours when you [00:03:00] were a child?
I mean, were you pretty focused on people and growing and reading books and doing all those things? Or is it something that as you climbed as you’re in your career that that
John Blumberg: happened? Yeah, I think, um, I think. People that knew me back then would always say that friends, um, relationships were always, uh, critical to me.
It was kind of funny, uh, even though I had majored in accounting. I always had this thing when I went out to do an audit at a client, um, and it was a time where I would say the clients aren’t quite as sophisticated as they are today, and they were a little bit terrified when we came in. And my goal, literally, intentionally, was that when we left, they would be sorry to see us go.
And so I think there’s, uh, elements of, um, you know, relationship there, uh, connection, uh, that was, I think, probably always, uh, important to me. I would have never in my younger years seen it play out the way that it’s played out, but it’s kind of that lamp into your feet thing, right? So let’s talk
Brett Gilliland: about that to, to what Sam said to you is get a vision [00:04:00] for your life.
Why, why do you think that’s so important?
John Blumberg: Well, I think, um, I think first of all, there’s a bit of a paradox at play because I, I think that it’s important to, uh, to look inside and begin to understand who you are, um, and then where do you want that person to go at the same time, the paradox is, I think you also have to hold it lightly is that you yes, have to have that vision and play of what you think you’re trying to either accomplish or who you’re trying to become, but along the way, know that every day if you choose is going to teach you a lesson that may very well change the course and that the original vision may have nothing to do with what the ultimate vision will play out to be.
And that’s
Brett Gilliland: what we talked about on the circuit of success. And you can see it behind this is once you have the attitude and you have those beliefs and you do the actions, you ultimately get results, but that’s going to create a new vision. Yes. Right. That’s exactly, I think that’s, what’s important about that circuit of success is.
As we travel down the [00:05:00] road of success and as we climb the ladder, do whatever we need to do in our lives. I mean, it’s constantly, in my opinion, working on that vision and thinking about that vision because What was a goal and a dream 10 years ago probably isn’t the same goal and dream today.
John Blumberg: Yeah, in fact, you would hope it wouldn’t be, right?
Uh, if you, if it is, then you probably haven’t truly grown, uh, in the process. So let’s talk about
Brett Gilliland: your book, R. O. I. Hmm. Everybody always, everybody knows what R. O. I. is, right? Of course they do. But you decided to change the I, so walk us through that. Why? And I love the name of the book. It was a great book.
For those of you that do or don’t follow me on social media, it’s one of those books that I was highlighting, uh, last month. And it was a phenomenal book and that’s why we’re sitting here today. So talk to us about ROI. Obviously, we think of return on investment, but you
John Blumberg: changed that. Yeah. And first of all, Brett, thanks for diving into it and, uh, and also having me today.
Uh, so I began looking at this whole issue. I had been working for a long time on, uh, the importance. And this was part of my own evolution from leadership to what really [00:06:00] fuels leadership. Um, and my focus became, uh, laser on the idea of core values. And so as I began to understand that I was only on the surface of what this was about, um, I, I started what I thought was going to be a one year journey to write this book.
And it turned out, it turned out to be a four year journey. Uh, and part of it was because I, I, I began to understand as you started digging into this, it’s so much deeper. I was really feeling like if the leader at the top, the, the CEO, or whatever the name of that leader at the top is, if they’re not all bought in, um, this isn’t going to go anywhere.
And I knew that the leader at the top thought about ROI a lot, of return on investment, um, but this is what, this was not what I was focused on. I wanted to literally reframe the first thing they talked about when they talked about ROI, and therefore the name of the book became, uh, Return on Integrity.
And, uh, it has been quite a journey that Absolutely continues. In fact, there’s [00:07:00] been so much that’s come from it of my own growth of being challenged by great questions, great insights, but also understanding this is much harder than I thought it would be for individuals. And I’m talking about good individuals with lots of substance.
And it takes a lot longer, uh, to dig to the level that I’m talking about on what their core values are and that would define that integrity. And I’m excited
Brett Gilliland: too to dig in because I, I came up with my, I did the role play or the exercise, right? And I always hope people do that. When you see an author, when they’re that committed to telling you to put their own book down and do the homework, I’m like.
I got to do the homework, right? Because he’s telling me to put his own book down, but anyway, so I did it and then I doing my research for today. I found that one of the words I use, which will save for later. You say is actually not a core value. So I’m excited to jump into that. So let’s talk about you have.
The other book, Silent Alarm, which I got phenomenal, um, that’s a novel. This one is not [00:08:00] a novel. Right. Why is that?
John Blumberg: Yeah. And it’s, it, I got a lot of push as I was beginning to write it. John, who is the organization that is doing this? And you need to showcase one or two organizations that have done this.
And I said, you know, this is the challenge when you’re trying to chart new ground. Um, I felt like I probably could go out and find some that look like they were doing it, but the truth was, um, I knew they weren’t. Right. And that That somehow did not hold integrity. And so I had to go with this idea that, and I come very directly at it in the beginning of the book, and I said, anybody that’s seen my speaking, anybody that, um, has read Silent Alarm knows my love of story.
But this is not a story book. In fact, it is not for leaders that are looking for those stories. I, I, I say those are followers and leadership positions. What this book is about is equipping a leader to create the story. And my hope was, is that in, in going through, and it was designed to be the scalability of the [00:09:00] message, is that they would be able to take, take it and actually create amazing stories about how they, Also, we’re on the surface of where they thought they were, they thought they were at the bottom of the well, um, that they really had dug as deep as they could and realize there were only 1 percent in and they create an amazing story.
And then we’re beginning to see some organizations make some headway, but this is not a short term thing, right? And, and we’re a short term, um, mindset. Yeah. And I think it’s one of those
Brett Gilliland: books you really need to dive into. So if you’re like me and you have the attention span to maybe read about 10 pages a day, right?
Yeah, which is it’s a good habit to be in. But it also allowed me to slow down enough to really think about it. And we’re going to talk about one of the quotes later that I know Andrew and myself really connected with in the book. But, um, you know, so when you think about that stuff, you talk about the three D’s, right?
You talk about dilemma, you talk about definition and you talk about destiny. Right. So let’s spend some time on, on the dilemma part. You, you had your CEO sampling. Yeah. Tell us about [00:10:00] the CEO sampling and what did you learn from that?
John Blumberg: Yeah. So my publisher was making a big push saying, John, you got to get to a solution.
Uh, you cannot, uh, spend a third of the book, um, on the problem. And so I, my gut said that if you get a top leader starting to think solution, they are going to absolutely blind out what the real problem is and and there no way are they going to be able to dig deep enough unless they Really have investigated the problem.
So I decided to go out and ask leaders at the top Um, I want to I really want to dive into Why is it so hard to know and to live core values in the world that we live in today in the pressures that are on business? Because I didn’t want people to think, well, he’s out kind of in la la land on his no clue what day to day life is.
I clearly understood that, but I was also shooting pretty high to what I thought we could get to or digging pretty deep on what I thought we could get to. And so I said, would you be [00:11:00] able? Would you be willing to sustain a fair amount of time to really understand the issue at hand before you ever got to the solution?
And 100 percent of them said, John, the moment you start talking solution, I quit thinking of the problem. And I need, I think you’re right. I need to understand the context much broader and deeper than I’ve ever given the thought to it. Yeah. And that’s where the evolution of dilemma, um, you know, played
Brett Gilliland: out.
Yes, I think as leaders, right, we’re fixers. And so we don’t want to be on the problem. We want to, even at home, right? You can get into a discussion with your wife and it’s like, here’s how you’re going to fix it. They’re just like, no, be quiet. I want you to listen. Yes. Right. And so that’s what I found in the book is all the time.
You got to slow down to speed up. Yes. Is to really define what those core values are. My business partner, Tim Hammett is phenomenal. He talks about his respect. Trust and humility. Every meeting we’re in, I can see it coming from a mile away. I know what he’s going to talk about, but that’s just to his core, how important it is for all relationships.
So all of us leaders, I think we need [00:12:00] to go through the exercise. And the way I did it was I wrote down as many words as I could think of that were, could be a value. Yeah. And I came up with mine and it was, um, it, I love the word grit. And so mine came out to grit. It was growth. It was respect. I for integrity, which you say is not a core value, right?
We’ll get to that. And trust. Yes. So we’re going to get to that. But for me, then that allowed it to become something that, okay, grit, I got to work hard. I got to be a leader that’s getting up every day and doing my deal. And so, so we’ll get to that stuff, but I think it was important. But what’s that one dilemma that you think stood out the
John Blumberg: most to you?
Yeah. So I, I think one of the critical dilemmas is, um, it’s the assumption that we think we got this. Um, in fact, I think. I actually believed when I started this journey that 95 percent of professionals and I’ll put it in the professionals world Actually knew their core values and I couldn’t have been more wrong.
Actually, the percentage was correct. Unfortunately, it was just the [00:13:00] opposite And and I get a lot of pushback on this Brett because people will say well I’m a values based person and I’ll say that’s great. But some of the worst Uh, most evil leaders in the world were value based. It’s just a matter of which values of specifics matter.
Uh, or people would say, well, John, I got a gut feel or and I got an intuition of what my core is. And I said, that’s awesome too. And I, I don’t have the research to prove this, but I believe that probably 30 years ago that that would have worked and that I think a lot of people operated that way. Um, but today the biggest difference is the speed at which we move and the change at which we face and the disruption that’s at play.
And I, I guess the way I’ve most recently, um, framed this is that the faster we go, the deeper you have to be grounded. And it, I think it’s a critical, not only leadership skill, I think it’s a critical survival skill, whether we’re talking organizations or more importantly, individuals. And I think he
Brett Gilliland: would, uh, agree with this.
And I think Andrew probably would too for what he does every day. I [00:14:00] think in the next 5 or 10 years, it’s going to be the only thing
John Blumberg: that separates businesses. Yes. I think that’s exactly right. In fact, there was a recent survey where integrity for the first time is the number one choice in choosing a professional services firm.
And uh, it was the first time, I don’t know if it’s been on the list before, it might have been lower on the list, but uh, now it’s the number one and, and I think we’re hungry for it. I think we’re in a world where, um, You know, we’ve, I don’t know, there’s been so much on brand and on the veneer, uh, that people begin, I think unknowingly to buy in that that’s enough and it’s never enough for, again, going back to the lifetime
Brett Gilliland: journey.
And that veneer you’re talking about too is, it is, it’s what it looks like on the surface of the table, right? I know you talk about that in your book. Yes. It’s getting deeper and truly understanding what you
John Blumberg: are. Yeah. And I think the, and if you assume you’ve already got this, you’re never going to go below the surface and you’ll never realize that I don’t know what I don’t know.
And so I, when I think of integrity, I think it’s a much, [00:15:00] um, this is. I want people to think about it in a much more challenging way, um, a much deeper way and I think hopefully in a much more adventurous way than they’ve ever come close to giving it credit. So
Brett Gilliland: let’s talk about the destiny part of the book.
I know you almost didn’t include it in the book and you actually call it the destiny roadmap. Yeah.
John Blumberg: Tell us more. I, I just felt, okay, I’ve got to somehow give some direction to this, uh, because we go from dilemma and then we go to the definition of figuring out what this is, the biggest deep dive. Okay, so what do I do with this?
And again, I’m talking to leaders at the top and the, the conventional wisdom was you got to give them some help. My biggest fear was, is that they would say, okay, let’s just cookbook this thing. Uh, there’s gotta be a solution that is universal and it’s just not. Right. And so what I ended up doing is trying to create this roadmap that I trusted that if you had been through the dilemma and the definition part of the book, Your [00:16:00] mindset would be in such a way that you would never read this as a cookbook.
In fact, you would just use it as a framework to stimulate your own creative thinking. And so the risk of what I feared, uh, would go away. Um, I, in fact, so much was afraid of it that at the beginning of the book, I said, You could jump to the third section and have a road map, um, but do it at great risk. Um, because you’re not ready, uh, to do this and you can’t lead it if you haven’t lived it.
Right.
Brett Gilliland: Yeah, I think calling us out on that, it made me read the first two parts. I’m like, Oh gosh, he knows my type, right? He knows I’m going to jump to the end and see how to probably didn’t. You know, I knew you right now that you’re reading minds through your book. So, um. Um, so when I did do your homework, I’m, I’m curious to find this out.
So I said mine was grit and the I was integrity, right? Why is that not a core value? Yeah. Why am I wrong?
John Blumberg: Yeah. And I get, I’ve had some people on the surface looking, so are you kidding? It’s like on the list of most, uh, every organization, a good buddy of mine, I said, it’s our [00:17:00] number one value. Um, yeah.
Here’s the thing, and I, I, this, probably the seed was planted a long time ago with Warren Bennis, who I always say is the grandfather of leadership books, was a professor at the University of Southern California, and he said, um, that honesty is when somebody asks you the question, you tell them the truth, and integrity is that you do what you said you’re going to do, and if you really think about that, um, that integrity is not itself a value, it is the fabric of leadership.
of every value. It is literally what makes values, um, valuable. Now, I absolutely have no problem with somebody having integrity on the list because I think it’s a great reminder. Um, and when I frame out, there were probably three words for me, Brett, when, and you can look up a lot of definitions and you go around and ask a lot of people what integrity means.
Um, there are three words that really played out for me and one is, um, whole, um, undiminished, And, um, and the idea that it’s [00:18:00] integrated. And so if you really think about it, um, if we think of our values, the risk can come out to be that we think of them individually. Imagine what your grit is like when they’re playing off of each other, and sometimes may very well be in conflict with each other, or be challenging each other.
So the integrity is not only about, um, this whole idea of, of, of whole and undiminished, But it’s also the idea. Is it all connected? It is. It all worked together. And when it does, then you ultimately have, um, integrity. Yeah,
Brett Gilliland: because yeah, so you could just peel that onion layer back more. So go to my G, which is growth, right?
I believe. To my core that if you’re not growing you’re dying, right? And so if you’re not working on yourself mentally physically spiritually emotionally, you know all things we talked about lunch today Matthew Kelly helped me with yes is if you have those things If you don’t do them with integrity, then it doesn’t matter.
Yes, right That’s great your intentions and your motives as Tim my partner always talks about right if they’re not [00:19:00] In the right intention, the right motive or have integrity than the growth doesn’t matter. That’s correct. In
John Blumberg: fact, it’s a perfect example, Brett, because if you, um, we’ve seen a lot of people grow exponentially, um, but did not have integrity and, and so growth of its own, um, It’s the neutral thing that can be amazing or it can be very dangerous.
But when you combine growth in the context of everything else that you have, you get a different kind of growth.
Brett Gilliland: Yeah, that’s a great perspective because growth for the sake of growth doesn’t matter. Right. Um, so let’s talk about one of my circuits there, um, belief. And I read somewhere that you talked about why it’s so important for your belief.
To be in line with what you do for a living. Hmm. What’d you mean by that when you said that? Yeah. Yeah.
John Blumberg: So, uh, if, well again, it goes back to, um, if, if it’s not, then there’s a, you’re not integrated. Uh, there’s a dis, in fact, you are [00:20:00] disintegrating, in fact, at some point. It’s just a matter, uh, of time. Uh, I do try to distinguish between, uh, what our beliefs are.
Um, and what our values are, uh, because sometimes our beliefs actually can get in the way of our values are discovering our values because we get very black and white sometime and it has a lot more to do with ego, uh, than it does to. And again, I tried to distinguish between, um, this is not about what you value.
It’s about what are your values? Um, and And in the book, you probably saw where I tried to distinguish between behaviors, wants and needs and values, and oftentimes our beliefs are hung up in our wants and needs, and that can cause a lot of division and oftentimes can cause you to go against your core values.
But if you, if you’ve had your values in place and they inform how your beliefs come alive, and then those are in line with what you do and the relationships that [00:21:00] you develop, uh, then that’s where the integration begins to come into play.
Brett Gilliland: And I think too, the, when you think about it from a team standpoint, so let’s look at it from a business, I look at, you know, whether it’s our, all of our advisors, our leadership team, whatever it may be, our clients.
Is you talk about the 3 percent usually becomes the 100 percent and I love that part too, because you’re right. I mean, the littlest argument could be like, you know, you pick that piece of trash up over there and it turns into a fight because it’s not the, the 97%, right? It’s that little. thing that bothers you that turns into the 100%.
So talk about that. Expand on that.
John Blumberg: Yeah. And I think this is why it’s a day to day thing. Uh, it’s, it’s a noticing the 3 percent before it becomes the 100%, right? Right. And, and I think it’s a daily review. Uh, once you define what your values are, and I tried to distinguish between knowing them, meaning, can I list them and that’s true, whether it’s your personal values or organizational values, or do I actually know them?
So when you tell me, for [00:22:00] instance, that growth is one of your values, you so much understand that so much more than I can understand it by knowing the word growth, that that is a label that that is of a great understanding to you, right? So as you get to truly know the value. And, and I would say by the daily reviews, how you get to know it, you have circumstances all of the time that are teaching you what growth means in your world and how it shows up.
And so that’s why I think it’s a day to day practice to every, I call it the PMAM. The PM is your personal values that you every night, as you put your head on your pillow, or if you go to sleep in two seconds, like I do sit on the edge of your bed, but you go down the mental list of your core values and you review your day.
And where did they show up? Where was the piece of paper I either picked up or I didn’t pick up, right? First of all, I would say you celebrate your values. Um, instead of trying to figure out where it didn’t go well, let’s celebrate where they did go well because we learned from that. The second is then to go back and look across your day and, and, and [00:23:00] figure out, if I’d only let that value show up, it would have made a difference.
Not to beat yourself up, just to notice. And then the third is to go back across the video of your day and you, you look at that and say, where did I violate a value today? And we all, we always do it. It’s, it’s hopefully just at a half a percent. But we do it, but we notice it again, not to beat yourself up.
Um, but it, again, it teaches us and it re engages us to be able to be better tomorrow. The AM is the same thing, except it’s forecasting and the A is all, uh, the organizational values. But it’s, I think it’s a daily thing that we get to know this and we become better at it, uh, through that
Brett Gilliland: process. And I’m big on visualization too.
So when, when you said the video of your day that really connected with me, because I mean, I’m picturing myself in my bedroom and I’m thinking about the day. And where could I have done better? Right? That’s all you’re talking about. So how important is visualization that am You know, one of my questions for you today is, you know, what are the habits, what are the rituals of, of the best, [00:24:00] right?
You’ve seen some of the best leaders, you know, really in, in probably in the world, but in America, leading some of these best companies. What are you finding their habits and rituals are that they do every day without miss to make them great?
John Blumberg: Yeah, I think one of the great, um, works that’s been done in the last year, um, she kind of came out of nowhere, uh, to be a rock star in the area of vulnerability.
And that’s, uh, Brene Brown. And, and I think this idea, um, and what Rene so beautifully talks about is vulnerability comes from a place of strength, not a place of weakness. And what I have found is leaders that I’ve seen that are willing to be vulnerable are always strong leaders. And so, I think the best practice on it is, are you willing to be vulnerable with the one that’s hardest to be vulnerable with?
And that’s yourself? Am I willing to see the truth? Because that’s what we’re really after is we’re willing to dig or we’re, we’re, we’re wanting to dig to what is the truth. Ultimately, the truth and to not have [00:25:00] any fear of what that truth is. And in doing so, I think we’ve become better and better at being able to see the truth, um, literally in the smallest.
And I love your analogy of the piece of paper. It’s a great metaphor. I see it in the smallest way because oftentimes it’s the smallest thing that can teach us the biggest lesson.
Brett Gilliland: That’s great. That does. And so vulnerability comes from a place of strength and not weakness. And I love that. Um, because I think as leaders, and women are this way too, I’m sure, but especially for men, right, we don’t want to admit, we don’t want to be vulnerable all the time.
Yes.
John Blumberg: Right? I think that’s exactly right. Women, I think, um, and I hate to generalize at all on this because there are certainly exceptions to every rule. Um, but. I, I think this process out of the starting gate, um, will be easier for women, uh, than it will be for men because they’re, they just call it for what it is.
Um, and, and men oftentimes, uh, can have that protection mechanism. It’s not intended. It’s, it’s not a, uh, [00:26:00] it’s not a thing. fault. It’s just something they have to work through. In the end, I think men and women are both absolutely capable as human beings to exactly where I think they are able to get to.
Brett Gilliland: So I’m gonna read you my favorite quote from the book.
Okay. You think you know what it is? Without looking. You want me to guess? Yeah, I
John Blumberg: do. Is it about
Brett Gilliland: the drift? It is. Okay, let’s talk about that. All right. So it’s about the drift. So it says in the book, we don’t go running away from our values. We go drifting away. And one day we wake up in a place we never meant to be, drifting in a direction we never would have chosen.
phenomenal, phenomenal. And, uh, so talk to me about
John Blumberg: that. Yeah. Um, uh, you know, it’s interesting. Uh, I was sitting in a Starbucks in Naperville, Illinois. I initially thought authors went to chalets in the mountains, which by the way, I went away to Virginia to write a return on integrity. So I got part there.
Um, But I was sitting there, and I wrote that, and I had no idea, Brett, [00:27:00] that so many people, it is the number one call out of the whole book, uh, I’d say 99 percent of the time, uh, and I should have known, um, because of my own life, because I, I think the reason we relate to it is because we’ve all experienced it, right, and I, I think our willingness to admit that’s the issue, um, um, I was speaking at the University of Alabama and a woman came up to me after a keynote and she said, we’ve been talking about drift and we’ve been talking about core values.
And she said, John, it kind of dawns on me. How do you know that you ever left if you didn’t know where you were to begin with? And it was just like gold, right? Because if you assume, you know, your core values. We’re all going to drift, even if you, with your grit, you’re still going to drift, um, but you’re going to catch it, and that’s the whole thing, is can you catch your drift, or have drift catchers in your life that you give permission to, because [00:28:00] we all are going to do that.
I was speaking to an eighth grade boys class, uh, about three years ago, I was actually doing a favor for a friend, and I, I don’t have stage fright, I, I think it’s a miswiring. Right. Um, but I was terrified talking to these eighth grade boys about you never know what’s coming. You never know what’s coming.
And, and the guy at the end of the session, they were doing a little Q and a, and he said, Mr. Blumberg, do you think other people see you drifting before you do? And I just looked and I said, Joe, I think, you know, the answer to that question. And he said, I know. Yeah. And I said, that’s why you need drift guards.
Um, you’re your own drift guard with the PM and AM, uh, but you’re also sending people on your live to say, if you ever see me drifting, and by the way, they need to be people who love you enough to tell you the truth and you love them enough to accept the truth when you don’t like what they’re saying. Um, but in effect, um, it keeps the drift in, in check.
Yep. And there’s nothing wrong with it. In fact, sometimes a bit of a drift can teach us something very powerful about what we know about our [00:29:00] core values. Um, but they also, uh, unchecked, um, will lead to everything that we see in the news, um, and certainly that we see in our lives of people that, um, unfortunately, and it’s heartbreaking.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking because these are not bad people. These are good people that have drifted. Right.
Brett Gilliland: I get the name of your next book. I’m called the drift, the draft. I like it. Let’s just go with that. Let’s go. Right. The next book is
John Blumberg: I can see it now.
Brett Gilliland: I can see it as well. So, and let’s talk about that for a second.
Cause you talked about the, the drift, uh, would you call them drift catchers or catchers? And so I asked this to people a lot in, when we’re in meetings and you know, I always ask for permission to challenge you or whatever it may be to hold you accountable because we love you, right? We love that person we’re in front of.
And I’ll ask you this, who’s the person in your life that has challenged you the
John Blumberg: most? Yeah, it’s a good buddy of mine. I guess they’re probably, uh, two. Uh, one’s a guy named Al. Uh, he’s in Chicago. And another, um, named [00:30:00] Sean. Uh, he’s in Vegas. And they’re two very different people. Uh, two different, very, uh, different stages of life.
Mm hmm. And they would be the one to call me out. Uh, they’re the ones, we have those conversations that, um, um, Oftentimes, you can only have with a, uh, with a drift catcher or a drift guard. Um, there was, there was something I learned. This is another guy that I would put in that list, a guy named Dave. We were having lunch one day, and we had had a robust conversation, and we were just getting ready to leave, maybe five minutes before leaving, and Dave looked at me and said, Man, we’ve covered a lot of ground today.
What’s the 5 percent that we didn’t talk about? Hmm. And it was a powerful, powerful question, uh, and he wasn’t like, what are you holding back on? He said, what are you not seeing that you need to put on the table? And I think, um, we all need people like that, um, in our lives. And we need to be that for people.
We need to be willing to, um, dive into the kind of relationships that I believe. [00:31:00] Um, that I think we’re called to have, um, and we’re not called to have a bunch of those, uh, but we are called to have, uh, a critical few of those.
Brett Gilliland: So I can’t remember who it was, but somebody I was talking to talked about who’s your 2 a.
m. club that no matter what, right, you could call that person at 2 a. m. without asking questions, right? They’re coming to get you. They’re coming to get you. Right. They’re coming to get you. And there’s not a lot of those friends. That list is small, but I think it’s important. And for our leadership team, we gave each other permission to be that drift catcher.
If you see me as a, the CEO of a company or we, you know, we see our, our COO or whoever it may be, we have to be, you know, love each other enough to be able to, to call you on that and know that it’s out of, out of respect. It’s out of, we care for you. We care for the, for the people at a whole.
John Blumberg: So that’s huge.
And I think it takes courage to be that. you know, for others. Um, it’s, it’s easier to, uh, not call people out. Um, and it, and you always have to respect that when somebody else is calling you out. And, and
Brett Gilliland: I think too, is that they usually will see it before we [00:32:00] see it. Yeah. But they got to have the courage to, to
John Blumberg: bring it up.
Yeah. It’s tough. It gets better if you’re doing your PMA. But, uh, yeah, it’s still, they’re going to have a different viewpoint on it and a different set of, uh, eyes to see it.
Brett Gilliland: And I, and I know Patrick Lencioni who wrote the, uh, he wrote a deal on your book for you is, uh, a friend of yours, but You know, I actually saw a video from him this morning and it was talking about having the people around you that have the courage to give you it, right?
Because as a leader of an organization who you’re writing this book for, sometimes they don’t give that feedback because they, they think, well, my job’s on the line for this, right? Exactly. So I think us leaders and people that are leaders listening to this is be open minded enough. To get the feedback from the people that you, you should be trusting the most in your work environment.
That’s exactly right. So let’s talk about fear. This is that question I told you about that, uh, that I was going to ask you. And, um, fear. How have you put that into your world throughout your Arthur Anderson days to now what you’re doing? Leaving a great career to, to kind of jump all in to go be a writer and a speaker and all that.
That was [00:33:00] scary. What kind of fears did you put in your
John Blumberg: mind? Well, first of all, I think you have to lean into it, uh, not fight it. Uh, I, I was being interviewed by, or not interviewed, a guy was thinking about jumping off and going into speaking. And at the time, gosh, it’s 22 years into it now, but at the time, 13 years.
And he said, John, uh, when does it quit being scary? And I kind of looked and said, uh, never, uh, I’ll let you know. I’ll let you know. Right. Um, I said, what’s amazing though, is you get comfortable being uncomfortable. And so I am not afraid of fear. Um, in fact, it, it inspires me. Uh, uh, and you know, I just, I don’t run from it.
Um, in fact, I think it is the one thing that if you can hold open hands to fear, I think ultimately all the way to fear of death is that. anything is possible. Um, it is amazing when we don’t lean into it, how it will shut you down. It, it is the most [00:34:00] limiting factor, uh, I think of, uh, of anything that we face.
And I guess in some ways, how do you friend fear? Because it is your friend, right? Uh, ultimately, if you don’t let it scare you to death.
Brett Gilliland: Yeah. Cause if we don’t have it, then we’re probably not going to drive to be as successful as we want to be. Right. So the question I always ask is how many of the fears you’ve put in your mind.
Have actually come true to the magnitude. You put them in your
John Blumberg: mind to be. No, never. Yeah. And that
Brett Gilliland: was my response. Right. Andrew, everybody, everybody laughs. Right. And everybody says, Oh, no, that just never happened. Right. Um, and it’s true. And I, I think my goal is I want to find the snippets from every one of these interviews and just put that on replay for people because they never come true to the magnitude we put them in our
John Blumberg: minds to be.
And you know what’s amazing is when you’re in the next situation and it’s creeping up on you, you forget that never is the answer and it’s really good to remind yourself. Yeah. You do
Brett Gilliland: forget that never is the answer. Absolutely. So let’s talk [00:35:00] about the, the, the, some more of the circuits here. Attitude.
Okay. When you hear the word attitude, what
John Blumberg: immediately comes to mind? Yeah, it’s critical. Absolutely critical. And I think you have to keep a pulse on that. Um, because I think, um, drift certainly applies to values. It also applies to attitude. I think you also have to be careful, um, on the people you surround yourself with.
And I don’t mean just to pick and choose people that only have good attitudes. Um, I often think sometimes you need to take on the challenge of finding the person that doesn’t have a good one and, and help them along with it. Because as you’re trying to help others have a better attitude, aren’t you going to have a better one because it’s top of mind?
Um, I think it’s a critical factor and I think we’re all vulnerable Uh to letting that slide and and drift away the same way our values and that
Brett Gilliland: attitude as you can see There’s a fence post or the fence line goes across since rejection, right? Because every day we can wake up we can have the greatest attitude in the world when we get up and you’re going to Go conquer the day But you get in and that little light over there is blinking on your phone, right?
Rarely is it somebody [00:36:00] calling to give you all the best news in the world, right? And so there’s that thing called rejection, right? So when you hear that, what I would say, how do you feed the positive dog? What habits are you finding that people do to get you in the best attitude, to stay focused, battle through the rejection?
John Blumberg: I think for me, first of all, don’t take it personally, um, is that, uh, in fact, sometimes the rejection is the right answer. A good friend, uh, was just sharing with me, um, that, um, he said, he put it this way. He said, um, uh, when you think you’re winning, oftentimes you’re losing. And sometimes when you’re losing, you’re winning.
You’re often time winning. And so what I try to look at is to say that just like fear, sometimes rejection can be your friend, your friend is that, in fact, if you don’t take it personally, you don’t absorb it. You just move on. You take the next step forward and you keep going. Or you can choose to move on.
Um, really sit on that. Um, I was talking to another good friend recently and he said he’s talking about in the, in the world of the NFL [00:37:00] and how coaches have to move on to the next game. They, yeah, it’s horrible that we had that terrible loss yesterday on Sunday, but on Monday we got to be getting ready for the next team because it has nothing to do with the loss that we just experienced.
We, yeah, we need to learn, uh, from it, but we can’t stay focused on it. And
Brett Gilliland: I think those tough decisions, I mean, if you, if you watch that Alabama football game the other night to take your guy, what was he 26 and two or something like that? Yeah. And you take him out of the game and you put in a true freshman and then the guy brings your team back and you win, I mean, I mean, he looks like a genius now, but that’s the thing.
Leaders have to make those tough decisions and they got to live with those tough decisions.
John Blumberg: I remember Sean Payton, uh, that, uh, onside kick at the beginning of the second half. Uh, he was brilliant. because it worked, right? If that hadn’t worked, people would have thought, are you kidding? Are you, you should never, which probably takes us to the idea.
Rejection could very well be a matter of perspective. Right. Right.
Brett Gilliland: Well, then you even go a step further with that super bowl game that everybody in the world thought that the Seahawks would run around like the half of the half yard line. Yep. [00:38:00] They throw the pick. They lose the, the Super
John Blumberg: Bowl. Yeah. And if that had been a, uh, a catch?
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unpredictable. Unpredictable.
Brett Gilliland: It’s all perspective. So what would you, uh, what would you tell yourself the guy, the John of 15
John Blumberg: years ago? Hmm. Yeah, I think if I’d look back and, um, I would, I would say be yourself, uh, trust, uh, trust, um, uh, first into the path you’ve been called to, and I very much felt it was a calling, uh, and, and to not let the day to day, uh, uh, get you down, that it is all good and everything, whether it is a success or a failure, all is good, just keep taking the next step forward.
That’s good advice.
Brett Gilliland: That’s great advice. What are you finding right now in, uh, Andrew and I are part of a, what we call, executive forum, and, and so, the, the, kind of the deal is all these, these, this happens to be all gentlemen, we’re in a group, we all run, uh, you know, either divisions of a company or run a company, whatever it may be, and we talk about time and time management, right?
[00:39:00] And so, what do, what do you think the best leaders do, and what are they doing with their time? They run these big corporations, what are they doing with their time every day? Yeah.
John Blumberg: I think they take, um, for one thing I would say they’re taking very intentional timeouts. Um, I think they’re, I think we’re past the point, um, that.
Anyone humanly can sustain, uh, the information, the speed, the, the pressures, um, the demands, uh, that come our way. And so I think the leader of the future is going to become very selective. At how they, where they focus their time, that they’re going to be able to be incredible at letting go of the things that don’t matter.
Uh, one of the best books I read in the last three years is called Essentialism. And I think if I don’t misquote it, it says 10 percent of what you do really matters and the other 90 percent is a waste of time. And I think when we’re trying to time manage, you’ve got to be on top of what is the most critical.
And I would suggest, and you’re probably not surprised, is that [00:40:00] your values will help you see that and it’s your needs, your wants, and your behaviors that will help you execute it. So
Brett Gilliland: let’s, let’s go back a little bit, actually, and let’s walk people through. They’re listening to this right now. If they’re driving down the road, whatever they’re doing, walk them through.
How do you find your core values? What do you need to do? What’s
John Blumberg: the exercise? Yeah. And I wish I could tell you it’s the most simple thing in the world. And, uh, I, I would suggest that it’s going to be the biggest wrestling match you will ever have in the most adventurous experience and that you’re never done.
Uh, I compare it to digging a hundred foot water well. And by the way, the water is there, whether you dig it or not, you just don’t get to take advantage of it. Right. And I remember I was talking to an audience of 500 people, and, uh, I was talking about digging your water well, and I said, you know, the sad part is you get, you start digging, you start exploring, and, and I think there’s a lot of ways that you can go after it, I think there are individual journeys, um, there are data points, I mean, there’s all kinds of instrument, instruments on the marketplace that will, um, give you scientific data [00:41:00] points, um, experiences give you data points, relationships and meaningful conversations give you data points.
All of that can feed in, um, to this digging process, which is why I say that, uh, you, you work on it for 15 minutes and you put it away and you work on it for 15 minutes and you put it away. And it’s over a period of time, I think in 30 days, you can come up with a, a pretty good, um, a pretty good starting version 1.
0 list. Um, but I think it’s probably a year. of, of going back and, and really honing it. And then I think it’s probably several years that you go to really, um, understand that. Um, the frustrating part, and this has been my biggest lesson, um, since the book came out, is, again, I go back to what I said earlier, this is harder than you think it is, and it takes longer, and both of those are a really good thing.
Um, it takes soul searching, it takes digging, um, and there’s, in the end, nothing scientific about it. It’s an emotional journey, um, that I think little by little gets [00:42:00] uncovered. So I’m talking to this audience of 500 people and I said, so, you know, the sad part, you get five feet into the well and you know what you’re looking at?
And I, uh, I said, you’re looking at dirt, the same dirt, dirt on the top. You get 25 feet, you’re looking at dirt, you get 50, you’re looking at dirt. That’s okay. I’m, I’m done with this process and you’re only really getting started. And that’s the tenacity. That’s the grit, by the way, Brett, that it takes to be able to get through it.
Um, and I, so I’m now in this rhythm of asking the audience questions and so you get to 75 feet and I’m fully expecting that they’re going to be thinking dirt and somebody from the audience yells out, uh, I said, you get 75 feet. What do you see? And they said, rock. I said, that’s right. I didn’t think of that, but it, but that’s right.
Because it gets harder. Yeah. Um, before, you know, it get easier, it gets harder, it gets easier, it gets harder. The persistence of digging is what gets you, um, to the answer. Now, here’s the thing, and I’ve used this on a slide now, and I said, you know, the sad part is in all your digging, um, the sad part is you will not find your core values.
Of course, a lot of people say, well, what the heck? Why, why bother? Right. And I kind of [00:43:00] pause and say, the truth is they will find you. And I think that’s exactly what the truth happens to be, is that when you dig long enough, um, it eventually reveals itself. That’s how truth works. Um, and it’s, it’s a dawning on you that this is what it is.
And then you label a word to name that dawning.
Brett Gilliland: So, yeah, because you also think, you see the pictures too, where the, the, the people are, they’re digging for gold, what they’re digging for, and then. What they don’t see is it’s just right here on the other side, right? And they give up and they don’t get there because they can’t keep battling through the
John Blumberg: dirt.
That’s exactly it. Now, I don’t know if I’ve ever publicly said this, but, um, and I have to be careful about this. Um, is ultimately the words that you choose are not as near as important as the journey that took you to them. And what I mean by that, and I go back to your grit, um, you understand growth as a value in a way that I will never see it because it, it’s a journey that took you there to find that out.
And so when it reveals [00:44:00] itself to you, and I don’t want to sound too, uh, kind of out there, but it is kind of out there is that your understanding is far more important than the word that you put on it. And you will know what that is by the time you’ve dug to the bottom of the well. Yeah, I
Brett Gilliland: think that’s a good point because if I could put a, if I could write the word and you just showed me and it said growth, there’s a whole meaning and feeling that comes behind it.
I could show the same thing to Andrew and he, Oh yeah, cool. That says growth, right? There’s a lot, there’s a big meaning
John Blumberg: behind that. And he’s thinking that’s
Brett Gilliland: it. Right. That’s all you got? That’s all you got. There’s 17 years of stuff in here, right? And a lot of meaning and feelings that go into that, that word.
John Blumberg: So it’s big. And I will say this, and um, and we just have had the opportunity to meet, and what I would say, Brett, is it doesn’t surprise me that that’s a word that you use because it just exudes out of you. And that’s what you want your values to be. It’s so grounded. That you can’t help but live that value.
And if you’re not, [00:45:00] it goes back to what you’re saying. If you’re not growing, you’re dying. I think the whole, that whole mantra plays, uh, if you’re not living your values, you are dying and you can just see that come out of you. Well, I think it’s to the people
Brett Gilliland: you, you, you surround yourself with, whether it’s socially or professionally for me, it’s like, uh, it’s, it’s not anger, but it’s like, I can’t, I don’t have much time to spend with somebody that they’re not choosing to grow.
Yeah. Right. I just. I can’t do it. Yeah. So I’m not saying that’s right, but that’s just the way I am.
John Blumberg: Well, and I, well, you know, I, I sometimes go to events and my wife kind of calls me out on this, but you know, it’s a surface level conversations. Right. Uh, and that’s just part of my style. If I’m, if I’m at a party, uh, I I’d love to, uh, You know, come up alongside you and we have a 20 minute conversation about something meaningful.
That’s a much more fun party than, you know, we’re just talking surface level. And there’s a time and place for that. Right. Um, but there’s also, um, a time and place where let’s have a meaningful conversation. Yeah.
Brett Gilliland: Yeah. I’m terrible at the big parties of. Making small talk with everybody. I’m not good at [00:46:00] that as much as I can do this stuff.
I can’t I’m not I’m not good at it Um, so share one of your core values if you will you mind doing that? Yeah, not
John Blumberg: at all Um, so I I think and i’ve already mentioned it Uh, and that is vulnerability I for me I try to frame out what that means to me, but that’s what opens possibilities for me Uh, that’s what bills.
Um Um, connection for me, uh, and it’s also how I think I, I deal with what we’ve talked about earlier and that is fear is that I’m willing to be vulnerable and find great strength, um, you know, within that, um, the other two are optimism. Um, and there’s a lot that drives me on hope, um, and then the other is relationship.
Um, it, it’s, um, uh, I think we’re wired for relationship, and, and when you put those three together, um, there’s, there’s probably 15 things that underline what I mean by those. Um, but, but it leads with vulnerability.
Brett Gilliland: Well, and I think that’s [00:47:00] huge too, because we, we’ve known each other now for a while, a whopping two hours, two and a half hours, something like that is, there’s that feeling of a deeper connection because of, You know, there was not a lot of surface y discussions downstairs at lunch, right?
And so, I think for those listening, if you struggle with that, that vulnerability, uh, that transparency, it leads to a deeper relationship much, much quicker.
John Blumberg: Much quicker and more meaningful experience, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Yep.
Brett Gilliland: And, uh, so let, let’s talk, did you, let’s talk about your success. I mean, through your Arthur Anderson days to, to now, I mean, did you envision that success or are you more
John Blumberg: shocked by it?
I’m shocked every day at what, um, you know, begins to play out. Um, and I, I’d rather stand in awe, um, than, than all of a sudden think it had anything to do with me. And I will say this, that the success I’ve had, um, has had. Nothing to do with me has had everything to do with people that believed in what I was trying to do and trusted me in that [00:48:00] process.
And I give it all to them. And I mean that sincerely. I don’t mean that just to sound kind of nice. There is, yeah, I don’t know if there’s any other way that I could frame that other than I love to stand in awe continually when things go well. And I’d love to learn deeply when they didn’t go so well and try to stay out of the process of both.
Brett Gilliland: These are tough questions. I know that. So I apologize. But what would you do that? That one CEO, that one leader right now is listening and you could give him or her one. Message,
John Blumberg: what would that be? Yeah, that’s a, uh, it’s a really good question. Um, I mean, of course, part of me wants to say, dig for your core values, go to answer.
Um, um, I, I would say, um, okay, I’m just going to bottom line this love others. Um, I, I was, um, talking to Bade Al Fasad’s, an honorary accounting fraternity, 1, 500 college students and it hit me the night [00:49:00] before, I was actually up at 2 a. m. and I couldn’t sleep and we’re going to be talking about values and, uh, it really hit me that you need to talk to them about love.
We need to be more loving. And so at the end of the presentation, um, I, I just simply said, you know, I hope that you’ll do everything I’ve talked about today, uh, as it relates to digging for your core and, you know, many other things that we’ve talked about. But if you don’t do anything else, I’m going to ask you this, that when you put your head on the pillow tonight and every night to follow, just ask yourself the question, um, how loving was I today?
And if you do that, everything else will fall in place. And what I was amazed at when all the students came out afterwards, probably 90 percent wanted to talk about that. And I, I don’t know, I, I don’t know of a time in our world where maybe it’s every time in this world, but we need to be more loving and less divisive.
Um, and, and I think maybe, um, I don’t. Call it out as a core value, um, because maybe it’s for me like integrity, um, [00:50:00] that hopefully it’s a fabric of every value. Yeah, I think
Brett Gilliland: it’s too, it’s what we’re putting in our minds, right? I mean, I, I literally made a decision back in almost, I guess it was about March.
You know, I’d find myself watching TV at night and I’m like, you know, I’m not, I can’t do this anymore, right? Nothing good is coming out of this. And so I think I, I truly feel maybe I’m being naive, but I truly feel as Americans, we’re doing that right there is starting to feel like there’s more love with all the bad stuff you hear.
Um, but I think if we can. Turn off our televisions and spend more time talking or reading or, uh, loving on others. Um, this, this world’s gonna be a much, much better
John Blumberg: place. It’ll be a much better place. And I’ve always said I hate to talk politics and religion with people that agree with me. Right. I actually like to engage in that as long as it’s not personal.
Right. Um, let’s find a way that we love through that, uh, and we’re gonna learn a lot because of that. Right.
Brett Gilliland: Absolutely. So talk to us, um, you know, last kind of few questions here, but talk to me about the time. Uh, and maybe you’ve had it, maybe you haven’t. Hopefully you haven’t, but, uh, it’s really a [00:51:00] time in your life that took you to your knees and how did you get through that?
How did you dig yourself out of that hole? I’m assuming you’re going to talk about your core values with that, but can you share one of those moments with
John Blumberg: us? Um, probably the darkest, hardest day of my life. Um, I was 13 years old, family vacation, and my father dropped dead of a fatal heart attack. And we were, I grew up in Memphis, we were driving, we were actually over in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and just had gotten there that day.
And, uh, that drive back, um, was one of the darkest, hardest, uh, moments. And you talk about fear, um, um, it, it was a, it was a defining moment, um, and, and maybe, uh, what I’ve just realized really almost more in the last three years is how much I mislearned. through that. Um, because as a 13 year old, my brother, um, my oldest brother got married six weeks later.
Um, they offered to postpone the wedding. My mom said, absolutely not. Uh, and my other brother went off to a Catholic [00:52:00] seminary. And, um, so we went from a family of five to a family of Two in a matter of about 12 months. And what you think of just starting high school. And I had so many people in that high school.
Cause my dad was very involved. I had so many people, uh, come around me and love on me. Um, but what you feel like is I’ve got to get on top of this. I’ve got to control this. And what I realized is that I developed this gotta be in control. Gotta. And ironically, it was totally the opposite of vulnerability.
And. Three years ago, my buddy Al asked me the question, um, so how did you process that? Uh, and I said, oh man, you just gotta move on. It’s kind of that pull yourself up, uh, uh, and, and haven’t really thought a whole lot about it. He said, I would suggest that you do, and it’s pretty amazing, uh, when you look back.
What I never could have learned then, um, is what it revealed for me today. At the same time, it, it, I think. it helped me along the way to a point it was as good as far as it went and then I needed to learn a different lesson. Wow, [00:53:00] well thanks for sharing
Brett Gilliland: that. I cannot imagine 13 years old driving and your, your father passes away.
That’d be the longest drive in the history of drives on the way home. Yeah. And you
John Blumberg: know, I’ve never been back to hot springs. And I probably need to go.
Brett Gilliland: Yeah. He either never want to go again, or you may need to go visit, right? Need to go. Let’s go do some therapy. I hear it’s beautiful. Exactly. Exactly. So what, uh, what are you passionate about today that you wish, you know, if you just had a magic wand, you had more time to go
John Blumberg: do, what would that be?
That’s a really good question. Um, I, I think I live what I’m passionate about and I’m excited, um, uh, with what I do, uh, being able to come alongside, uh, Brett. I don’t know anything, um, more fulfilling to me than when somebody is willing to let you walk alongside them, um, again, in a vulnerable. Uh, kind of way.
Uh, there’s nothing I’m more passionate about than to sit with somebody, uh, and be able to be a, a companion with them along, uh, their journey. So I get to do that. Um, you know, I, [00:54:00] I’m not a person that has a bunch of hobbies of, um, I played golf when I was in, you know, um, grade school and played tournaments.
And I know you, you took that much, much further. Um, uh, but there’s nothing that’s a hobby for me, uh, that I would say this is my, my go to. Uh, it’s much more, I guess, about, uh, relationship and whatever we’re doing. And I get to do that through my work, but I also get to do that through my family. I get to do that with friends, and I get to do it with, you know, executives that I get to come alongside.
Hashtag,
Brett Gilliland: you’re just, you have to be, just feel blessed every day, right, to get to do the things you love to do. Every single day. Awesome. So, um, talk to me about the purpose, right? So I, and I just started doing this and your book actually helped with this is I’ve always had, I always know why I get, uh, get up in the morning.
I know why I go do what I do. Um, but I came up with a statement, right? And so my statement now is my. My number one purpose in life is to help people see and achieve a future brighter than their [00:55:00] past, right? So I just, I know that. So help you see and achieve a future brighter than your past. And for me that seeing it as number one, because a lot of people may or may not see it, but achieving it, right?
Because we can, you said it earlier, we can do anything we want to do, anything we put our mind to. Yes. Um, and so I want to help people with that. And so what would you say your
John Blumberg: purpose in life is? Yeah, I, I, I guess, um, uh, and, and I, I have let go of, I guess, putting that in a sentence per se, uh, but I would say, um, help people live with integrity, um, and that’s, it’s what I do, um, there’s nothing that I’m more passionate about, uh, to do that, and if I can, if I can come alongside people and help them see that and willing to see truth for all its ugliness, uh, and all it causes to fear, Um, I, I guess it would be to live a more integrated life, not a more integrated success as much as a more integrated life, and which is the ultimate success.
Uh, what I love about [00:56:00] yours is that it’s, it’s a complete celebration of growth as well. Right. Um, and not only do you help them see it, you help, um, equip them to do that. And, and that’s what a great two sided coin that is. Yeah. Thank you.
Brett Gilliland: Thank you. And, and so I’m not going to give credit to this person, uh, because he may or may not be in the room.
But, um. We talked about a question that he always, he’d said, that’d be a great question. Right. And it’s true. It is a good question, even though I’ll not give him credit. Life is about experiences, right? So what’s that experience, that next experience, that bucket list item for you?
John Blumberg: What’s on there? That’s funny that you ask that question because my wife and I, for the first time ever last year, uh, started creating, uh, a bucket list.
And, uh, we laugh sometimes that, you know, we’re having an experience. We say, we need to put this on our bucket list. Add that right now. Add it right now. Uh, because it’s, this is amazing. Yeah. And I, I, I don’t have this kind of bucket list, uh, that says it’s a grand experience or, you know, going to see this [00:57:00] thing.
It’s much more, um, about simple things. Uh, and there are some, you know, big things I guess that we could add to the list, but ours are much more, um, It could be, um, I, I want to make sure that we go walk in the park, uh, a new park, um, you know, this next month, uh, and it’s, it’s going to be the everyday simple, uh, kind of thing.
So I may need you, Brett, to have a bigger vision, uh, for what that, um, would be, um, but also in my bucket list is traditions. And I think one, I’m just planning this out right now. My, my son in the, um, uh, when we first moved to Chicago, he. People would ask, are you a White Sox fan or a Cubs fan? I said, Oh, I like them both.
And I haven’t grown up in Memphis. I was actually a Cardinals fan. There you go. Now we can keep talking. But, um, I found out that people would realize I wasn’t from Chicago, except I liked both. So actually he started falling in love with the Cubs. So when he was in high school every day, I would, um, I would get up and read the Cubs article because I [00:58:00] knew he would talk about that.
So he already knew, right? He already knew, right? And he would have that conversation as a teenager. And the more I read, the more I fell in love with the Cubs. And, um, actually as a fifth grader, one of our weak parental moments, he actually got online and signed up for season tickets. And three years ago, as a 30 year old now, he actually got season tickets.
So, uh, one of the traditions we started that was a bucket list item to begin with was, uh, to go to Cubs spring training every other year. Father, son, and then we just go. And so this is our year after they won the world series last year, we thought, okay, that’s going to be a kind of a crazy year to go. Um, and this is the year we’re going to go.
So for me, it’s about putting it on the list, but then it’s also about, um, continuing the traditions where they make sense.
Brett Gilliland: That’s, that’s great. Thanks for sharing that last question. I give you 10 million. You can’t invest it. You can’t pay off any debts. What do you do with 10 million bucks?
John Blumberg: What would I do with 10 million dollars?
Um, um, you know what I would love to do is go out and invest it in those that have no [00:59:00] resources. Um, and maybe it goes back to have a great attitude. Um, uh, they, they, they do want to grow. Um, I would love to come alongside and bless them with the resources to go, uh, to go and make their dream come alive.
and would want to do it in small quantities, um, and so that it would affect a lot of people. And I guess that would be my, um, my biggest dream.
Brett Gilliland: I like it. And it does not surprise me that you’re going to invest in others based on, uh, what I’ve gotten to know about you and researching you and now spending time with you today.
It’s been an absolute pleasure. Andrew, thank you for the introduction and, uh, thank you for the time today. It’s been great. Great to be back. And I hope you, our listeners, uh, got as much out of this as, as I got, um, getting to interview John. And, uh, I guess I didn’t ask you this. Where, where can we find more of you?
So social media. Yep. So
John Blumberg: yeah, most probably the best way to start it cause it’ll lead you there. And that is, uh, my website, which is, uh, Uh, Blumberg, B L U M B E R G R O I. com. [01:00:00] So Blumberg, R O I. com. And it’ll, uh, take you to my blog and, um, you know, and connect you to Facebook, Twitter, and such. Great.
Brett Gilliland: We’ll find it there.
And, uh, just again, thank you for being here. And I hope our listeners got a ton out of this. Cause I know I got a ton out of it as well, and lots of notes we’ll be going through here. So thank you for your time. Thanks for having me.
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And so as that was going up and00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:12.000
falling, then skateboarding was coming up and then00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:13.000
falling and then snowboarding,00:03:14.000 –> 00:03:16.000
you know, came up and then started falling00:03:16.000 –> 00:03:18.000
too. So I I followed those general trends.00:03:19.000 –> 00:03:21.000
And so you followed those trends, and then00:03:21.000 –> 00:03:24.000
you saw another trend, around mindfulness and yoga,00:03:24.000 –> 00:03:26.000
and and you started this, this little company00:03:26.000 –> 00:03:27.000
called lululemon.00:03:28.000 –> 00:03:30.000
So talk to us about that. I’m I’m00:03:30.000 –> 00:03:32.000
wearing lululemon pants right now too. Hope that’s00:03:32.000 –> 00:03:34.000
alright. I wear them all the time.00:03:35.000 –> 00:03:36.000
Well, you never know what people are wearing00:03:36.000 –> 00:03:39.000
behind the microphone. That’s right. Sitting down.00:03:40.000 –> 00:03:40.000
That’s right.00:03:42.000 –> 00:03:43.000
I think,00:03:43.000 –> 00:03:45.000
like I said, I saw these, you00:03:46.000 –> 00:03:49.000
know, athletic social trends, you know, rise and00:03:49.000 –> 00:03:50.000
fall00:03:50.000 –> 00:03:52.000
I had failed a couple times. I tried00:03:52.000 –> 00:03:55.000
beach volleyball, and I tried mountain biking. But00:03:55.000 –> 00:03:58.000
what I discovered is neither of those sports,00:03:58.000 –> 00:04:01.000
which became big. No one wanted to look00:04:01.000 –> 00:04:02.000
like that on the street.00:04:03.000 –> 00:04:03.000
So,00:04:05.000 –> 00:04:07.000
You know, I got I got I sold00:04:07.000 –> 00:04:09.000
my Suresgate snowboard company,00:04:09.000 –> 00:04:11.000
and I sat around for a Wilson, and00:04:11.000 –> 00:04:13.000
I kinda looked around. And of course, I00:04:13.000 –> 00:04:16.000
was injured from from falling a lot, snowboarding00:04:16.000 –> 00:04:18.000
and skateboarding. So I started doing yoga00:04:19.000 –> 00:04:21.000
first class that was in Vancouver type of00:04:21.000 –> 00:04:23.000
thing, and I looked around and I went00:04:23.000 –> 00:04:24.000
You know, this is gonna this is pretty00:04:24.000 –> 00:04:27.000
cool. This is gonna be I could sense00:04:27.000 –> 00:04:29.000
it went from six people to thirty people00:04:29.000 –> 00:04:30.000
in one month00:04:30.000 –> 00:04:31.000
And,00:04:32.000 –> 00:04:35.000
and if I extrapolated back the seerskates snowboard00:04:35.000 –> 00:04:36.000
business, I went, wow, this is gonna be00:04:36.000 –> 00:04:39.000
just as big. And it’s much opportunity.00:04:40.000 –> 00:04:43.000
So I had an expertise in technical apparel,00:04:43.000 –> 00:04:46.000
especially first layer of stretch for women that00:04:46.000 –> 00:04:47.000
would went under snowboard clothing.00:04:48.000 –> 00:04:50.000
And I just started making it, a version00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:51.000
of that for yoga.00:04:52.000 –> 00:04:52.000
And,00:04:53.000 –> 00:04:54.000
and then I could go into a million00:04:54.000 –> 00:04:56.000
different ways going from there, but maybe you00:04:56.000 –> 00:04:58.000
have another question you wanna lead with. Well,00:04:58.000 –> 00:04:59.000
I just I think it’s, you know, it’s00:04:59.000 –> 00:05:01.000
one thing to have an idea. It’s one00:05:01.000 –> 00:05:03.000
thing to say, oh, you know, my mom00:05:03.000 –> 00:05:05.000
you know, knew how to do this stuff.00:05:05.000 –> 00:05:06.000
I know how to do that stuff. But,00:05:06.000 –> 00:05:08.000
I mean, how do you go out and00:05:08.000 –> 00:05:10.000
then just create this little lemon craze? And00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:11.000
I know we could talk about that for00:05:11.000 –> 00:05:14.000
hours, but it has become a brand that00:05:14.000 –> 00:05:16.000
I think is, you know, in the athletic00:05:16.000 –> 00:05:19.000
wear, obviously, but it’s also a a symbol,00:05:19.000 –> 00:05:21.000
you know, the the kids want it.00:05:21.000 –> 00:05:23.000
You know, moms want it, dads want it.00:05:23.000 –> 00:05:25.000
Now, heck, my some of my boys, you00:05:25.000 –> 00:05:27.000
know, wanna wear the t shirts and stuff.00:05:27.000 –> 00:05:29.000
I mean, you’ve created this thing that’s that’s00:05:29.000 –> 00:05:32.000
become a brand, a symbol. Right? And so00:05:32.000 –> 00:05:34.000
how did that happen? Cause it doesn’t just00:05:34.000 –> 00:05:34.000
happen overnight?00:05:35.000 –> 00:05:38.000
Yeah. So you’re looking for the, moment, and00:05:38.000 –> 00:05:39.000
then what to do with type of thing00:05:39.000 –> 00:05:41.000
because of Yeah. Sense.00:05:43.000 –> 00:05:43.000
When,00:05:45.000 –> 00:05:47.000
so I was in the middle of this00:05:47.000 –> 00:05:48.000
yoga Gilliland00:05:48.000 –> 00:05:50.000
I was only like fifteen days into it.00:05:50.000 –> 00:05:52.000
And I read an article in the newspaper00:05:52.000 –> 00:05:54.000
where it said sixty percent of the graduates00:05:54.000 –> 00:05:56.000
at a university for now, a woman00:05:57.000 –> 00:05:59.000
And in nineteen ninety eight, that was a00:05:59.000 –> 00:06:01.000
phenomenal number because when I went to university,00:06:01.000 –> 00:06:03.000
it felt like twenty percent.00:06:03.000 –> 00:06:05.000
Sure. Maybe because I couldn’t get any dates.00:06:05.000 –> 00:06:07.000
It felt like twenty percent.00:06:08.000 –> 00:06:11.000
Yeah. Right. So, it it really I mean,00:06:11.000 –> 00:06:13.000
that was astounding to me. And it didn’t00:06:13.000 –> 00:06:15.000
work in a lot of reading in Africa00:06:15.000 –> 00:06:18.000
about the whole goal was to educate women00:06:18.000 –> 00:06:19.000
because the00:06:20.000 –> 00:06:22.000
the more educated women are than the fewer00:06:22.000 –> 00:06:24.000
children they will have and the longer they’ll00:06:24.000 –> 00:06:25.000
wait to have children.00:06:25.000 –> 00:06:26.000
So I extrapolated00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:28.000
out, and I went, oh my god, you00:06:28.000 –> 00:06:31.000
know, for the first time ever we’re gonna00:06:31.000 –> 00:06:32.000
end up with a brand new employee00:06:33.000 –> 00:06:36.000
and a brand new consumer that’s consumer that’s00:06:36.000 –> 00:06:37.000
never existed before.00:06:37.000 –> 00:06:41.000
A highly educated university woman that now goes00:06:41.000 –> 00:06:43.000
into the workforce and now suddenly00:06:43.000 –> 00:06:46.000
isn’t leaving at the age of twenty four00:06:46.000 –> 00:06:47.000
to have a Wilson00:06:47.000 –> 00:06:50.000
And so they’re gonna wait till they’re thirty00:06:50.000 –> 00:06:53.000
two. So that’s that’s what I extrapolated. So00:06:53.000 –> 00:06:55.000
with that market then became the new Lululemon00:06:56.000 –> 00:06:59.000
employee, and it him a customer that was,00:06:59.000 –> 00:07:01.000
highly educated media savvy00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:05.000
owned their own condo traveled with as was00:07:05.000 –> 00:07:06.000
athletic, stylish,00:07:06.000 –> 00:07:09.000
basically a lot of consumer spending involved.00:07:11.000 –> 00:07:11.000
And so00:07:12.000 –> 00:07:15.000
I went so That was there. And then00:07:15.000 –> 00:07:18.000
also I could sense that in the nineties,00:07:18.000 –> 00:07:20.000
there was a there was a lot of00:07:20.000 –> 00:07:22.000
talk in the media about breast cancer for00:07:23.000 –> 00:07:23.000
Gilliland00:07:24.000 –> 00:07:25.000
I and I had sensed from being in00:07:25.000 –> 00:07:27.000
the workforce and kinda and being the age00:07:27.000 –> 00:07:28.000
I am that,00:07:29.000 –> 00:07:31.000
prior to that, you know, woman who came00:07:31.000 –> 00:07:31.000
into the workforce,00:07:32.000 –> 00:07:34.000
were kinda emulating their fathers.00:07:34.000 –> 00:07:36.000
And they were doing the three Martini lunches.00:07:36.000 –> 00:07:38.000
They were smoking cigarettes00:07:38.000 –> 00:07:40.000
because they thought that that’s what was successful.00:07:41.000 –> 00:07:43.000
And I think, you know, when you combine00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:44.000
that with the heavy dose of the pill00:07:44.000 –> 00:07:47.000
at that time, I think it created, you00:07:47.000 –> 00:07:47.000
know, the00:07:48.000 –> 00:07:51.000
atmosphere for breast cancer at that time. So00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:52.000
I think when when these,00:07:54.000 –> 00:07:54.000
when these00:07:55.000 –> 00:07:57.000
girls at work, twenty now gonna be twenty00:07:57.000 –> 00:07:59.000
two to thirty two, which I call who00:07:59.000 –> 00:08:00.000
I call super girls,00:08:01.000 –> 00:08:04.000
had these power woman, mothers who were basically00:08:05.000 –> 00:08:05.000
unhealthy,00:08:06.000 –> 00:08:08.000
and these super girls just didn’t wanna live00:08:08.000 –> 00:08:09.000
their life like that.00:08:09.000 –> 00:08:12.000
And I think that yoga was something that00:08:12.000 –> 00:08:12.000
was00:08:13.000 –> 00:08:15.000
accessible. It was feminine. And what I mean,00:08:15.000 –> 00:08:17.000
accessible, they could do at lunch hour. They00:08:17.000 –> 00:08:19.000
could do it in the morning. Didn’t have00:08:19.000 –> 00:08:20.000
to go to snow, you know, find the00:08:20.000 –> 00:08:22.000
surf. You didn’t have to find the mountains.00:08:23.000 –> 00:08:23.000
Yeah. And,00:08:24.000 –> 00:08:26.000
and it was, yeah, so it was feminine,00:08:26.000 –> 00:08:28.000
stylish, the whole works. And I think,00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:31.000
when you combine that with I had a00:08:31.000 –> 00:08:33.000
couple other ideas. Do you wanna hear them?00:08:33.000 –> 00:08:34.000
Sure. Sure.00:08:34.000 –> 00:08:36.000
Well, I call this I call this Supergirl00:08:36.000 –> 00:08:39.000
Supergirls because that in the in the nineties,00:08:40.000 –> 00:08:42.000
for the first time, you saw a girl00:08:42.000 –> 00:08:43.000
in,00:08:43.000 –> 00:08:45.000
with superheroes like cartoons.00:08:46.000 –> 00:08:48.000
And so they they were wearing lycra, and00:08:48.000 –> 00:08:50.000
they were equal in power to men. And00:08:50.000 –> 00:08:54.000
I think that the supergirl mothers were wearing00:08:54.000 –> 00:08:56.000
all the big power suits with the big00:08:56.000 –> 00:08:58.000
shoulder pads looking very mannish,00:08:58.000 –> 00:09:00.000
but who the girls were looking up to00:09:00.000 –> 00:09:03.000
were these like lycra clad power superheroes on00:09:03.000 –> 00:09:04.000
TV.00:09:04.000 –> 00:09:05.000
So00:09:05.000 –> 00:09:06.000
I also think that,00:09:07.000 –> 00:09:10.000
in the nineties are, you had amazing the00:09:10.000 –> 00:09:11.000
public divorces00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:12.000
peaked.00:09:12.000 –> 00:09:14.000
And I think you had,00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:17.000
fathers who didn’t ever knew what to do00:09:17.000 –> 00:09:18.000
with they with their daughters.00:09:19.000 –> 00:09:23.000
Right. They became baseball coaches, soccer coaches, and00:09:23.000 –> 00:09:25.000
athletic coaches. And so I think these girls00:09:25.000 –> 00:09:28.000
became exceedingly athletic And,00:09:29.000 –> 00:09:32.000
and I think that the, you know, basically,00:09:32.000 –> 00:09:34.000
they those all those things kinda combine together00:09:35.000 –> 00:09:38.000
provided the the perfect template for this new00:09:38.000 –> 00:09:39.000
market and this new sport.00:09:41.000 –> 00:09:43.000
So do you want me I am a00:09:43.000 –> 00:09:45.000
pause there for a second. I’m just thinking00:09:45.000 –> 00:09:46.000
in my mind about it it seems like00:09:46.000 –> 00:09:48.000
you are a very deep thinker. Right? I00:09:48.000 –> 00:09:50.000
mean, you keep think I think this. I00:09:50.000 –> 00:09:52.000
think that I mean, you’re tying the kinda00:09:52.000 –> 00:09:55.000
the comic wonder woman type person to the00:09:55.000 –> 00:09:56.000
business woman today,00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:59.000
and and you bring that together into this00:09:59.000 –> 00:10:01.000
brand. Right? So when when you think when00:10:01.000 –> 00:10:03.000
you say, I think. Are you a thinker?00:10:03.000 –> 00:10:05.000
Are you sitting around in a room thinking00:10:05.000 –> 00:10:06.000
all day? What are you doing?00:10:07.000 –> 00:10:09.000
I’m I’m probably your reader.00:10:09.000 –> 00:10:12.000
Okay. Phenomenal amount and all those have. I00:10:12.000 –> 00:10:12.000
and I00:10:13.000 –> 00:10:15.000
where’d that come from? I don’t know, but00:10:15.000 –> 00:10:16.000
it’s00:10:17.000 –> 00:10:19.000
You know, I would I’d read every magazine,00:10:19.000 –> 00:10:21.000
three or four newspapers a day.00:10:23.000 –> 00:10:25.000
I very rarely watch TV when I was00:10:25.000 –> 00:10:26.000
young.00:10:27.000 –> 00:10:29.000
And even to today except for Netflix is00:10:29.000 –> 00:10:31.000
kinda taking a little bit.00:10:32.000 –> 00:10:34.000
And I think that I just lose all00:10:34.000 –> 00:10:34.000
extrapolated.00:10:35.000 –> 00:10:38.000
I was extrapolating out ideas, and I was,00:10:38.000 –> 00:10:41.000
meshing two different ideas together.00:10:42.000 –> 00:10:44.000
And basically, what I could see three things00:10:44.000 –> 00:10:46.000
happen very, very quickly. I would jump on00:10:46.000 –> 00:10:48.000
it, which is kinda what I didn’t surf00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:50.000
skate snowboard, and then again, in yoga.00:10:51.000 –> 00:10:53.000
So I would have seen, I, the first00:10:53.000 –> 00:10:55.000
yoga class I would have had would have00:10:55.000 –> 00:10:57.000
had a little poster on a telephone, post00:10:57.000 –> 00:10:59.000
a little rip off telephone. Do you know00:10:59.000 –> 00:11:01.000
that type of thing? And then maybe a00:11:01.000 –> 00:11:03.000
couple days later, I would have heard two00:11:03.000 –> 00:11:04.000
people talk00:11:04.000 –> 00:11:06.000
in the coffee shop about yoga.00:11:07.000 –> 00:11:08.000
And then I would have read an article00:11:08.000 –> 00:11:10.000
about yoga in the newspaper00:11:10.000 –> 00:11:12.000
or something, you know, that I went, and00:11:12.000 –> 00:11:13.000
I’d go, oh my god. Like, I’ve I’ve00:11:13.000 –> 00:11:17.000
never never, like, seen anything about yoga. And00:11:17.000 –> 00:11:19.000
now three things in one week, like,00:11:20.000 –> 00:11:22.000
That’s when an entrepreneur is someone who has00:11:22.000 –> 00:11:25.000
an idea jumps on it. And then once00:11:25.000 –> 00:11:27.000
once that three things happen, I mean, I00:11:27.000 –> 00:11:29.000
can My mind immediately goes out twenty years.00:11:30.000 –> 00:11:32.000
And it goes now. Chip is something that00:11:32.000 –> 00:11:34.000
I should do or not do. And,00:11:35.000 –> 00:11:36.000
At that time in my life, I could00:11:36.000 –> 00:11:37.000
definitely have,00:11:38.000 –> 00:11:41.000
I’ve done nothing. I had sold my my00:11:41.000 –> 00:11:43.000
first company, and when I mean nothing, that00:11:43.000 –> 00:11:44.000
means I’d have to job as a Brett00:11:45.000 –> 00:11:47.000
at Starbucks to, you know, but I could’ve00:11:47.000 –> 00:11:49.000
paid off a house and bought a car00:11:49.000 –> 00:11:51.000
and sent my kids to, to school. So,00:11:52.000 –> 00:11:54.000
But, you know, they decided to jump back00:11:54.000 –> 00:11:57.000
in. The idea would do good. Yeah. So00:11:57.000 –> 00:12:00.000
talk about the the success of lululemon, but00:12:00.000 –> 00:12:01.000
on the flip side of that, we’re gonna00:12:01.000 –> 00:12:02.000
I would like to talk about what’s what’s00:12:02.000 –> 00:12:04.000
some of the stuff that maybe brought you00:12:04.000 –> 00:12:05.000
to your needs or some of your failures00:12:05.000 –> 00:12:07.000
that you publicly shared that,00:12:07.000 –> 00:12:09.000
you know, so many of us, I think00:12:09.000 –> 00:12:10.000
we look at people like you and we00:12:10.000 –> 00:12:12.000
say, oh, god. Here’s this guy that had00:12:12.000 –> 00:12:15.000
this, you know, meteoric rise to success, but00:12:15.000 –> 00:12:17.000
clearly it wasn’t that. And and so what00:12:17.000 –> 00:12:18.000
are some of those failures that as a00:12:18.000 –> 00:12:22.000
newer lululemon founder that you were bumping into,00:12:22.000 –> 00:12:23.000
that that were really tough.00:12:24.000 –> 00:12:25.000
Well, yeah.00:12:26.000 –> 00:12:28.000
Even before I see that, I think, to00:12:28.000 –> 00:12:30.000
say twenty years, I had this company called00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:33.000
the West Beach surf company, Gilliland00:12:33.000 –> 00:12:35.000
it didn’t make any money. So it was00:12:35.000 –> 00:12:37.000
every year, I thought it would do better.00:12:37.000 –> 00:12:38.000
Every year, I thought it would do better00:12:38.000 –> 00:12:39.000
every year.00:12:40.000 –> 00:12:40.000
And,00:12:40.000 –> 00:12:42.000
at the end of the day, I had00:12:42.000 –> 00:12:43.000
these two00:12:46.000 –> 00:12:48.000
two retail stores of our own. We made00:12:48.000 –> 00:12:50.000
our own clothing designed and put it in00:12:50.000 –> 00:12:52.000
our stores And these two stores made a00:12:52.000 –> 00:12:54.000
million dollars a year, and these two and00:12:54.000 –> 00:12:57.000
these mid this international wholesale business we had00:12:57.000 –> 00:12:58.000
lost a million dollars a year.00:12:59.000 –> 00:13:01.000
So what I’m really getting at there is00:13:01.000 –> 00:13:03.000
that there was, like, twenty years of learning.00:13:03.000 –> 00:13:05.000
And then to be able to sell that00:13:05.000 –> 00:13:08.000
and sit back and go, okay. What didn’t00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:10.000
work about that and what did work about00:13:10.000 –> 00:13:12.000
it? So what did work about it is00:13:12.000 –> 00:13:14.000
the vertical retailer, get getting rid of the00:13:14.000 –> 00:13:15.000
wholesaler.00:13:16.000 –> 00:13:19.000
Now almost everybody gets into wholesale because you00:13:19.000 –> 00:13:21.000
can make a few samples, show it to00:13:21.000 –> 00:13:22.000
a lot of people, get a lot of00:13:22.000 –> 00:13:25.000
orders, and then go to a manufacturer, get00:13:25.000 –> 00:13:26.000
it done. But then you have to then00:13:26.000 –> 00:13:29.000
there’s a big, big middle man in between00:13:29.000 –> 00:13:31.000
that’s taking a lot of the profit.00:13:31.000 –> 00:13:32.000
So00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:35.000
I’m I’m getting around to your question. Oh,00:13:35.000 –> 00:13:38.000
this is great. But it’s it’s it was00:13:38.000 –> 00:13:39.000
a matter of00:13:39.000 –> 00:13:41.000
I had to get to five stores.00:13:42.000 –> 00:13:44.000
In order to get economy of scale production00:13:45.000 –> 00:13:47.000
in order to get my cost down on00:13:47.000 –> 00:13:49.000
my product to make any product.00:13:49.000 –> 00:13:51.000
And when you come out with a brand00:13:51.000 –> 00:13:53.000
new brand and a net brand new product00:13:54.000 –> 00:13:56.000
with no marketing dollars,00:13:56.000 –> 00:13:58.000
zero, and none,00:13:58.000 –> 00:13:59.000
then00:13:59.000 –> 00:14:00.000
then that’s a struggle.00:14:01.000 –> 00:14:03.000
And that’s what every almost every entrepreneur that00:14:03.000 –> 00:14:05.000
goes into anything that needs mass production,00:14:06.000 –> 00:14:07.000
goes through.00:14:07.000 –> 00:14:08.000
So00:14:08.000 –> 00:14:10.000
I borrowed I bought a house. I bought00:14:10.000 –> 00:14:12.000
a house for about half a million dollars00:14:12.000 –> 00:14:15.000
in nineteen ninety eight. I brought two hundred00:14:15.000 –> 00:14:17.000
million two hundred thousand on it.00:14:17.000 –> 00:14:19.000
Got through about a year,00:14:19.000 –> 00:14:22.000
borrowed another two hundred thousand dollars on it.00:14:22.000 –> 00:14:22.000
And,00:14:24.000 –> 00:14:26.000
and then, and then that’s it. Right? And00:14:26.000 –> 00:14:28.000
then I ran out of that And then00:14:28.000 –> 00:14:30.000
I had done some wholesale because I had00:14:30.000 –> 00:14:32.000
to do wholesale in order to get my00:14:32.000 –> 00:14:34.000
economy of scale numbers up, that company went00:14:34.000 –> 00:14:35.000
bankrupt.00:14:36.000 –> 00:14:37.000
And so now I didn’t have enough money00:14:37.000 –> 00:14:38.000
to pay my employees.00:14:39.000 –> 00:14:40.000
And,00:14:40.000 –> 00:14:42.000
so I got a job,00:14:43.000 –> 00:14:45.000
West Beach moved back from Portland back to00:14:45.000 –> 00:14:47.000
Vancouver, and they offered me my job to00:14:47.000 –> 00:14:49.000
be CEO. So I took that job in00:14:49.000 –> 00:14:51.000
order to fund Lou Gilliland00:14:51.000 –> 00:14:53.000
then we ran out of that money.00:14:53.000 –> 00:14:55.000
And then I if I hadn’t and then00:14:55.000 –> 00:14:58.000
that Christmas, if I hadn’t got fired from00:14:58.000 –> 00:15:00.000
West Beach, because they con they really combine00:15:00.000 –> 00:15:03.000
SIMs skateboards in West Beach, our West Beach,00:15:04.000 –> 00:15:06.000
snowboard together, and so that CEO took over.00:15:06.000 –> 00:15:09.000
So I got a fifty thousand dollar severance.00:15:09.000 –> 00:15:11.000
If it wasn’t for that fifty Little little00:15:11.000 –> 00:15:12.000
grading room.00:15:13.000 –> 00:15:14.000
It never would have happened.00:15:15.000 –> 00:15:16.000
So there was a bunch of things in00:15:16.000 –> 00:15:17.000
there that,00:15:18.000 –> 00:15:20.000
and actually another thing that happened is that00:15:20.000 –> 00:15:23.000
the Vancouver Housing prices were going up so00:15:23.000 –> 00:15:23.000
fast.00:15:24.000 –> 00:15:26.000
That I was able actually to take another00:15:26.000 –> 00:15:26.000
hundred thousand,00:15:27.000 –> 00:15:29.000
you know, at that point. Right. So there00:15:29.000 –> 00:15:31.000
it was I was mortgaged to the Wilson,00:15:31.000 –> 00:15:33.000
and had everything in this business, and it00:15:33.000 –> 00:15:35.000
was either gonna work or I was in00:15:35.000 –> 00:15:36.000
a lot of trouble.00:15:37.000 –> 00:15:40.000
Yeah. Or and homeless. Right? So it’s but00:15:40.000 –> 00:15:41.000
talk about that because there’s a lot of00:15:41.000 –> 00:15:43.000
learning even just in that is a lot00:15:43.000 –> 00:15:45.000
of people are are listening this. Right? They00:15:45.000 –> 00:15:46.000
may be driving on the road. They may00:15:46.000 –> 00:15:48.000
be in their and they’re not happy. They’ve00:15:48.000 –> 00:15:51.000
got this great idea, this vision that’s twenty00:15:51.000 –> 00:15:52.000
years long,00:15:52.000 –> 00:15:54.000
but a lot of people are scared to00:15:54.000 –> 00:15:55.000
go take00:15:55.000 –> 00:15:57.000
three loans off their house, right, and going00:15:57.000 –> 00:15:59.000
to Brett. And as you would say, push00:15:59.000 –> 00:16:00.000
all the chips in. Right? A lot of00:16:00.000 –> 00:16:01.000
people are scared to do that. So what00:16:01.000 –> 00:16:03.000
was it about you that was different? Do00:16:03.000 –> 00:16:03.000
you think?00:16:04.000 –> 00:16:06.000
Well, I think for me, because I’d seen00:16:06.000 –> 00:16:08.000
it three times before in the search gauge00:16:08.000 –> 00:16:10.000
somewhere business, I I had an idea of00:16:10.000 –> 00:16:13.000
where was going. I also had f evidence00:16:13.000 –> 00:16:17.000
of this new business, this new business model00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:18.000
of being vertical and not wholesale.00:16:19.000 –> 00:16:21.000
I could also sense that whoever got into00:16:21.000 –> 00:16:24.000
a lululemon product, you could see in their00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:27.000
eyes. You could see how they feel. They00:16:27.000 –> 00:16:29.000
when they bought the the clothing, they just00:16:29.000 –> 00:16:31.000
didn’t buy one thing. They were buying three00:16:31.000 –> 00:16:31.000
things.00:16:32.000 –> 00:16:32.000
And00:16:33.000 –> 00:16:34.000
it it wasn’t,00:16:37.000 –> 00:16:38.000
It was just like I had to have00:16:38.000 –> 00:16:40.000
faith because I knew I had the right00:16:40.000 –> 00:16:43.000
product at the right time for the right00:16:43.000 –> 00:16:44.000
market. And,00:16:44.000 –> 00:16:47.000
and then I had to let myself, I00:16:47.000 –> 00:16:48.000
wanted to let word-of-mouth00:16:48.000 –> 00:16:49.000
make it work.00:16:50.000 –> 00:16:51.000
And,00:16:51.000 –> 00:16:53.000
anyway, but you’re getting back to the people00:16:53.000 –> 00:16:55.000
that are sitting on the freeway listening to00:16:55.000 –> 00:16:58.000
it. I think there’s two things for me,00:16:58.000 –> 00:17:00.000
and that is if I was sitting on00:17:00.000 –> 00:17:02.000
my deathbed and I didn’t do it, would00:17:02.000 –> 00:17:04.000
I always be regretting it? I only have00:17:04.000 –> 00:17:05.000
life to live.00:17:05.000 –> 00:17:06.000
And00:17:06.000 –> 00:17:08.000
is it a life worth living?00:17:09.000 –> 00:17:10.000
And I think the other thing on the00:17:10.000 –> 00:17:12.000
other side I look at, which is quite00:17:12.000 –> 00:17:15.000
recent, would my twelve year old self be00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:16.000
proud of me today?00:17:17.000 –> 00:17:20.000
And and that really is an interesting thought00:17:20.000 –> 00:17:21.000
because it goes,00:17:21.000 –> 00:17:24.000
you know, like, did I did I They00:17:24.000 –> 00:17:25.000
play in life of fear and do they00:17:25.000 –> 00:17:27.000
live a life of possibility.00:17:29.000 –> 00:17:30.000
She’s writing that down. Would my twelve year00:17:30.000 –> 00:17:32.000
old self be proud of me today? That’s00:17:32.000 –> 00:17:34.000
that’s phenomenal. Gilliland00:17:34.000 –> 00:17:36.000
I think too, it’s it has become this,00:17:36.000 –> 00:17:39.000
like, luxury brand. Right? It it’s whether you00:17:39.000 –> 00:17:41.000
have your iPhone and a lululemon00:17:42.000 –> 00:17:44.000
pants and your you know, Louis Vuitton purse,00:17:44.000 –> 00:17:46.000
right, for the women, you know, in the00:17:46.000 –> 00:17:48.000
world. And and it’s but how does that00:17:48.000 –> 00:17:50.000
happen to win at the time? I guess00:17:50.000 –> 00:17:52.000
it really wasn’t a lot of competition, but00:17:52.000 –> 00:17:54.000
you’re still able now to go out and00:17:54.000 –> 00:17:56.000
sell a hundred and twenty dollar pair of00:17:56.000 –> 00:17:57.000
pants in that world, right, a pair of00:17:57.000 –> 00:17:59.000
yoga pants when everybody else wants to charge00:17:59.000 –> 00:18:01.000
fifty bucks. I mean, how do you get00:18:01.000 –> 00:18:01.000
away with that?00:18:02.000 –> 00:18:03.000
Well, because,00:18:04.000 –> 00:18:06.000
people are under the perception that it’s the00:18:06.000 –> 00:18:07.000
same product.00:18:08.000 –> 00:18:09.000
Yeah. It’s not. At the end of the00:18:09.000 –> 00:18:10.000
day,00:18:11.000 –> 00:18:12.000
The idea00:18:13.000 –> 00:18:15.000
was to make a better quality product at00:18:15.000 –> 00:18:17.000
a better price than the competition.00:18:18.000 –> 00:18:20.000
The fact is is the competition can’t make00:18:20.000 –> 00:18:22.000
a better product than the them. And the00:18:22.000 –> 00:18:24.000
reason is is because Lu Lemma’s vertical00:18:25.000 –> 00:18:28.000
doesn’t have to doesn’t have any wholesale. So00:18:28.000 –> 00:18:30.000
it can make because it it only sells00:18:30.000 –> 00:18:32.000
to itself. It doesn’t have to have the00:18:32.000 –> 00:18:33.000
same,00:18:36.000 –> 00:18:36.000
markups.00:18:37.000 –> 00:18:38.000
So what am I saying there?00:18:40.000 –> 00:18:43.000
So what what ends up, because Lululemon can00:18:43.000 –> 00:18:44.000
make a better quality product at a better00:18:44.000 –> 00:18:47.000
price, it’s goods are made out of Wilson.00:18:47.000 –> 00:18:50.000
Not polyester. So polyester stinks,00:18:50.000 –> 00:18:51.000
and polyester00:18:51.000 –> 00:18:54.000
doesn’t feel the same way that nylon does.00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:56.000
It doesn’t it doesn’t combine with the lycra00:18:56.000 –> 00:18:57.000
heart.00:18:57.000 –> 00:18:58.000
Or the,00:18:59.000 –> 00:19:00.000
or the technical00:19:01.000 –> 00:19:04.000
properties that we can put inside fibers can00:19:04.000 –> 00:19:06.000
go inside nylon so much better than polyester.00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:09.000
So the, you know, the anti stain anti00:19:09.000 –> 00:19:10.000
wicking,00:19:11.000 –> 00:19:12.000
the breathability,00:19:13.000 –> 00:19:15.000
it’s just an entirely different product.00:19:15.000 –> 00:19:16.000
But00:19:16.000 –> 00:19:18.000
you can’t really flu lemon is was set00:19:18.000 –> 00:19:21.000
up never to kinda like be a raw00:19:21.000 –> 00:19:24.000
raw about itself. You know, so it doesn’t00:19:24.000 –> 00:19:25.000
have to be We put all our money00:19:25.000 –> 00:19:27.000
into training and development of people and the00:19:27.000 –> 00:19:30.000
quality of the product, and we let people00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:32.000
talk for the for it for the product.00:19:32.000 –> 00:19:34.000
While you’re talking about that, I know personal00:19:34.000 –> 00:19:36.000
development was a big deal for you personally,00:19:36.000 –> 00:19:37.000
but also was a really big deal for00:19:37.000 –> 00:19:39.000
your employees. So talk about that and what00:19:39.000 –> 00:19:41.000
role that played in the company.00:19:42.000 –> 00:19:45.000
Well, I was selfish and that I when00:19:45.000 –> 00:19:47.000
I started Lou Lem and I just decided00:19:47.000 –> 00:19:48.000
I never wanted to be with anybody, I00:19:48.000 –> 00:19:51.000
didn’t who wasn’t phenomenal Wilson Brett, and I00:19:51.000 –> 00:19:52.000
wanted to go to work with every day.00:19:52.000 –> 00:19:54.000
That’s where I spent all my time.00:19:54.000 –> 00:19:55.000
So00:19:55.000 –> 00:19:57.000
so from that point of view, I just00:19:57.000 –> 00:19:58.000
want people to know that it was a00:19:58.000 –> 00:19:59.000
selfish thing,00:20:00.000 –> 00:20:00.000
but And,00:20:01.000 –> 00:20:03.000
but I also knew that00:20:04.000 –> 00:20:06.000
that suddenly you had all these women that00:20:06.000 –> 00:20:08.000
were out of the universe see. And no00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:10.000
and I think I was the only person00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:13.000
that could really see that they were gonna00:20:13.000 –> 00:20:15.000
be around for at least eight years, nine00:20:15.000 –> 00:20:17.000
years before they had before they had a00:20:17.000 –> 00:20:18.000
family.00:20:18.000 –> 00:20:21.000
So they were really worth investing in. And00:20:21.000 –> 00:20:24.000
I gotta get no other company was investing00:20:24.000 –> 00:20:26.000
in women at that time. It just it00:20:26.000 –> 00:20:28.000
was just no return on it.00:20:28.000 –> 00:20:29.000
So00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:32.000
so to be so I think the woman00:20:32.000 –> 00:20:34.000
that came to Lou, Gilliland, like, they were00:20:34.000 –> 00:20:37.000
ready for it. They wanted something. And because,00:20:39.000 –> 00:20:42.000
personal development at that time was very unmasked00:20:42.000 –> 00:20:44.000
masculine, but very feminine. I think Chip is00:20:44.000 –> 00:20:46.000
the other thing that made Lou lemon work,00:20:46.000 –> 00:20:49.000
and that woman were really willing to take00:20:49.000 –> 00:20:50.000
on, like,00:20:51.000 –> 00:20:53.000
who am I and how am I how00:20:53.000 –> 00:20:54.000
am I the most effective?00:20:54.000 –> 00:20:56.000
How do I communicate?00:20:57.000 –> 00:20:58.000
When, you know, what is responsibility?00:20:59.000 –> 00:21:00.000
What is integrity?00:21:00.000 –> 00:21:02.000
You know, these things that I think men00:21:02.000 –> 00:21:04.000
were masking, but women were really willing to00:21:04.000 –> 00:21:06.000
face up to. So00:21:07.000 –> 00:21:09.000
our whole program then was set up around00:21:09.000 –> 00:21:10.000
those concepts,00:21:11.000 –> 00:21:11.000
integrity00:21:12.000 –> 00:21:13.000
responsibility,00:21:13.000 –> 00:21:15.000
and, which everyone’s00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:18.000
everyone says that. Right? But here’s Here’s the00:21:18.000 –> 00:21:19.000
thing about integrity.00:21:21.000 –> 00:21:23.000
And everyone says they have integrity,00:21:23.000 –> 00:21:25.000
but inside a company, if everyone has a00:21:25.000 –> 00:21:28.000
different definition of integrity, And in fact, there00:21:28.000 –> 00:21:29.000
is no integrity.00:21:31.000 –> 00:21:33.000
So the company has to have one definition00:21:33.000 –> 00:21:37.000
of integrity, which then is then everyone knows00:21:37.000 –> 00:21:37.000
what it is.00:21:38.000 –> 00:21:40.000
So out of there are the four,00:21:40.000 –> 00:21:43.000
platforms that we used, and I would suggest00:21:43.000 –> 00:21:45.000
this any entrepreneur, it doesn’t have to be00:21:45.000 –> 00:21:47.000
the ones that I set out.00:21:47.000 –> 00:21:49.000
When we so ones we use were seven00:21:49.000 –> 00:21:51.000
habits of highly effective people,00:21:51.000 –> 00:21:53.000
the book Good to Great, which I think00:21:53.000 –> 00:21:55.000
is is Chip book ever.00:21:56.000 –> 00:21:58.000
The psychology of achievement by Brian Tracy,00:21:59.000 –> 00:22:00.000
And inside of that is an hour of00:22:00.000 –> 00:22:02.000
the psychology of why people do and do00:22:02.000 –> 00:22:04.000
not goal set.00:22:04.000 –> 00:22:07.000
And then the landmark form course, which really00:22:07.000 –> 00:22:07.000
sets00:22:08.000 –> 00:22:09.000
What is responsibility?00:22:09.000 –> 00:22:12.000
What is integrity? And how do people? What’s00:22:12.000 –> 00:22:15.000
the psychology about? How and why people communicate?00:22:15.000 –> 00:22:16.000
So you did that. So you had them00:22:16.000 –> 00:22:18.000
read those, those four books or go through00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:20.000
those programs. And then what was what was00:22:20.000 –> 00:22:23.000
the the accountability to that? So, yeah, yeah,00:22:23.000 –> 00:22:25.000
I read it, or is it Now now00:22:25.000 –> 00:22:26.000
there’s a, you know, an hour meeting to00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:28.000
talk about the book. What was that like?00:22:29.000 –> 00:22:29.000
Yeah.00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:30.000
So00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:32.000
one, two things. One, we set up a00:22:32.000 –> 00:22:33.000
linguistic abstractions.00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:36.000
We had about thirty terms and definitions that00:22:36.000 –> 00:22:38.000
that came out of these books that we00:22:38.000 –> 00:22:40.000
use as our platform for communication.00:22:42.000 –> 00:22:43.000
The other thing we did is that00:22:44.000 –> 00:22:47.000
And Chip is this is actually the fascinating00:22:47.000 –> 00:22:47.000
part.00:22:48.000 –> 00:22:50.000
So we were so big on goal setting.00:22:50.000 –> 00:22:53.000
So In a goal then, a goal is00:22:53.000 –> 00:22:55.000
only a differentiates from a vision because a00:22:55.000 –> 00:22:57.000
goal has is quantifiable00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:58.000
with a by windy.00:22:59.000 –> 00:23:00.000
So00:23:00.000 –> 00:23:03.000
I’m gonna take something pretty simple. So00:23:03.000 –> 00:23:05.000
I’m sitting there. I’m two hundred and forty00:23:05.000 –> 00:23:07.000
two pounds, and I go, okay.00:23:08.000 –> 00:23:11.000
By next December thirty first two thousand and00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:11.000
twenty,00:23:12.000 –> 00:23:15.000
I am two hundred and thirty pounds. Okay.00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:16.000
That’s a goal. Quantifiable00:23:16.000 –> 00:23:18.000
with the buy win date. It could be00:23:18.000 –> 00:23:21.000
things like I will take my family to00:23:21.000 –> 00:23:22.000
Croatia00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:23.000
for seven days00:23:23.000 –> 00:23:26.000
sometime next, you know, in the year 02:20,00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:27.000
something like that. Yep.00:23:27.000 –> 00:23:30.000
We had them split between health, business, and,00:23:31.000 –> 00:23:32.000
and personal. Now, interesting thing00:23:33.000 –> 00:23:33.000
about00:23:35.000 –> 00:23:37.000
that I’ve discovered about goal setting and it00:23:37.000 –> 00:23:40.000
really came from the landmark about creating,00:23:41.000 –> 00:23:43.000
our present from the future, not from the00:23:43.000 –> 00:23:44.000
past.00:23:45.000 –> 00:23:47.000
So I found that even I was setting00:23:47.000 –> 00:23:49.000
my goals based on the past. So I’m00:23:49.000 –> 00:23:51.000
two hundred and forty two pounds, and I00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:53.000
wanna be two hundred and thirty based on00:23:53.000 –> 00:23:55.000
being two hundred and forty two pounds.00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:57.000
But if I was to wake up in00:23:57.000 –> 00:23:59.000
the hospital with amnesia and I had no00:23:59.000 –> 00:24:02.000
idea what how much I weighed or or00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:03.000
anything,00:24:03.000 –> 00:24:06.000
and I had no past history at all.00:24:06.000 –> 00:24:08.000
And I went and researched what it six00:24:08.000 –> 00:24:11.000
foot three, sixty four year old man,00:24:11.000 –> 00:24:13.000
should weigh, you know, it would say two00:24:13.000 –> 00:24:14.000
hundred and eight pounds.00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:17.000
So you can see the difference in goal00:24:17.000 –> 00:24:20.000
setting between setting goals from a unknown future00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:23.000
as opposed to, a constrained past.00:24:23.000 –> 00:24:26.000
And the difference would have been, what, twelve00:24:26.000 –> 00:24:26.000
pounds.00:24:27.000 –> 00:24:29.000
And that would have would have been a00:24:29.000 –> 00:24:31.000
massive difference. But, and I only use that00:24:31.000 –> 00:24:33.000
because it’s easy numbers to use.00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000
But when people think about, you know, their00:24:36.000 –> 00:24:38.000
career, how much money they wanna make, or00:24:38.000 –> 00:24:40.000
how, how much time they wanna put into00:24:40.000 –> 00:24:43.000
loving their, their, their spouse, or How much00:24:43.000 –> 00:24:45.000
time they wanna spend with their children, these00:24:45.000 –> 00:24:48.000
those that twelve pounds is ten percent, which00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:49.000
is what makes things work for, don’t work00:24:49.000 –> 00:24:51.000
in line. Yeah. That’s the game changer. Isn’t00:24:51.000 –> 00:24:53.000
it? So how did you drive that in00:24:53.000 –> 00:24:55.000
your culture? I mean, what you personally, I00:24:55.000 –> 00:24:57.000
know, obviously, as the the founder, CEO, the00:24:57.000 –> 00:25:00.000
leader, the everything of that company early on,00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:02.000
How did you personally drive culture?00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:04.000
Well,00:25:05.000 –> 00:25:08.000
I’ve I actually once I set it the00:25:08.000 –> 00:25:10.000
template up, as I said, about so many00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:12.000
things at Lululemon, I think I00:25:12.000 –> 00:25:14.000
I set a template up, and then we00:25:14.000 –> 00:25:17.000
just had these amazing people that just took00:25:17.000 –> 00:25:18.000
it and ran00:25:19.000 –> 00:25:21.000
I’m kind of an idea guy. I’m not00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000
a structural Wilson, and,00:25:24.000 –> 00:25:24.000
but00:25:25.000 –> 00:25:26.000
I think that00:25:26.000 –> 00:25:29.000
There was something in these goals that had00:25:29.000 –> 00:25:31.000
people’s lives really worked for them. And, of00:25:31.000 –> 00:25:32.000
course,00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:34.000
Lou lemon, not only because of the product00:25:34.000 –> 00:25:36.000
and the business model, but because of the00:25:36.000 –> 00:25:38.000
type of people we have ended up making00:25:38.000 –> 00:25:40.000
so much money. It was almost a self,00:25:41.000 –> 00:25:43.000
what do they call that? A self,00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:46.000
prophecy. Prophecy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it’s gonna00:25:46.000 –> 00:25:47.000
happen.00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:50.000
But we had a template for goal setting,00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:53.000
in eighteen goals. So we set goals for00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:55.000
First off, you said a vision for your00:25:55.000 –> 00:25:58.000
life, like ten years out. So mine would00:25:58.000 –> 00:26:00.000
have been, you know, mine was like twenty00:26:00.000 –> 00:26:01.000
or thirty years out. It was I’m gonna00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:04.000
be sitting around a table at Thanksgiving with00:26:04.000 –> 00:26:06.000
my children, grandchildren, and I’m gonna they’re all00:26:06.000 –> 00:26:08.000
gonna be laughing at me because I’m old00:26:08.000 –> 00:26:10.000
and crazy. You know? I mean, if that00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:12.000
happens that, you know, at at00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:14.000
eighty five or something, then I’m gonna be00:26:14.000 –> 00:26:16.000
a happy man. Right? Yes. So when I00:26:16.000 –> 00:26:18.000
start working my goals back from there, so00:26:18.000 –> 00:26:19.000
What are the ten year goals I have00:26:19.000 –> 00:26:21.000
to have? What are that five year goals00:26:21.000 –> 00:26:23.000
and what are the one year goals? And00:26:23.000 –> 00:26:24.000
when you start at the top of the00:26:24.000 –> 00:26:26.000
vision, you work back that it makes it00:26:26.000 –> 00:26:28.000
pretty easy to do one year goals. Seeing00:26:28.000 –> 00:26:30.000
where you have to get in the five00:26:30.000 –> 00:26:32.000
and ten. Yep. Yeah. I don’t disagree with00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:33.000
that. And I think, and and I’ll just00:26:33.000 –> 00:26:35.000
give you my concept if if and give00:26:35.000 –> 00:26:37.000
me your feedback on Chip, but one of00:26:37.000 –> 00:26:38.000
them is I call it Focus ninety. So00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:40.000
when I walk in my office door every00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:43.000
day, I Brett my briefcase down, I get00:26:43.000 –> 00:26:45.000
my water, I know the things I gotta00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:47.000
do. I got four things I gotta do00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:49.000
the first ninety minutes of every day. And00:26:49.000 –> 00:26:51.000
if I can win that moment, I’ll win00:26:51.000 –> 00:26:52.000
the rest of the day. Right? And then00:26:52.000 –> 00:26:54.000
But my ten year goal, my five year00:26:54.000 –> 00:26:57.000
goal, my one year goal, and my ninety00:26:57.000 –> 00:26:58.000
day goals are all written on that same00:26:58.000 –> 00:27:00.000
piece of paper, and I read it every00:27:00.000 –> 00:27:00.000
morning.00:27:01.000 –> 00:27:03.000
Good for you. Well, that’s probably why you00:27:03.000 –> 00:27:04.000
are what you are.00:27:04.000 –> 00:27:06.000
Yeah. But your I mean, your thoughts on00:27:06.000 –> 00:27:07.000
that. Right? I mean, that’s probably your habits00:27:07.000 –> 00:27:09.000
and your rituals when you were early in00:27:09.000 –> 00:27:11.000
your career, those were the things you were00:27:11.000 –> 00:27:12.000
doing. Right? So if you can if you00:27:12.000 –> 00:27:13.000
can give us a a thought of a00:27:13.000 –> 00:27:14.000
goal, I know you said at one point00:27:14.000 –> 00:27:17.000
you wanted to open five lululemons, but What’s00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:18.000
an example? Because you don’t probably say I00:27:18.000 –> 00:27:20.000
wanna sell one million pair of pants or00:27:20.000 –> 00:27:23.000
I wanna make ten million dollars. I mean,00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:25.000
what were those goals at that time?00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:26.000
Well,00:27:27.000 –> 00:27:29.000
before I say Lou Lumen, there’s this one00:27:29.000 –> 00:27:31.000
I was a competitive summer when I was00:27:31.000 –> 00:27:33.000
young. So I think So they had age00:27:33.000 –> 00:27:36.000
groups ten and under eleven and 12:13, fourteen.00:27:36.000 –> 00:27:36.000
So00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:39.000
you knew that by the age of fourteen,00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000
that was the Canadian record. So speak or00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:44.000
the American record, whatever you wanna call it.00:27:44.000 –> 00:27:44.000
And00:27:44.000 –> 00:27:46.000
and when you turn fifteen,00:27:46.000 –> 00:27:48.000
you had to break break the record by00:27:48.000 –> 00:27:50.000
that day or you did So it was00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:53.000
automatic goal setting. I, you know, I will00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:56.000
swim the hundred backstroke in x time00:27:57.000 –> 00:27:59.000
by the age of my fifteenth birthday. So00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000
that type of thing.00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:01.000
So00:28:01.000 –> 00:28:04.000
for us, for me, I remember my wife00:28:04.000 –> 00:28:05.000
and I originally00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:07.000
setting out our goals. We had no money.00:28:07.000 –> 00:28:09.000
We were in debt up to our eyeballs.00:28:10.000 –> 00:28:12.000
And, but, you know, we were the template00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:14.000
for the everyone else in the in the00:28:14.000 –> 00:28:16.000
company My wife was the first designer, and00:28:17.000 –> 00:28:18.000
so we were in it together. And,00:28:19.000 –> 00:28:22.000
so we decided we were going to have00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
in ten years, we were gonna have thirty00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:25.000
million dollars in the bank. We were gonna00:28:25.000 –> 00:28:26.000
have,00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:28.000
a ten million dollar house on the ocean,00:28:29.000 –> 00:28:30.000
and we were gonna have00:28:31.000 –> 00:28:33.000
And then what was it beyond that? Those00:28:33.000 –> 00:28:36.000
are the material ones, which are really easy00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
for me to remember because it happened.00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:41.000
Now what’s interesting about that is because we00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:43.000
had that set in,00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:45.000
at a certain point when Lou Lemney came00:28:45.000 –> 00:28:46.000
incredibly00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:52.000
strong, and we were our cash flow was00:28:52.000 –> 00:28:52.000
unbelievable.00:28:54.000 –> 00:28:55.000
We00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
We did. We decided that we were gonna00:28:57.000 –> 00:29:00.000
prioritize family, and we were gonna prioritize the00:29:00.000 –> 00:29:01.000
goals that we’d set.00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:04.000
So then we just that decision then had00:29:04.000 –> 00:29:05.000
to sell to private equity.00:29:06.000 –> 00:29:08.000
We didn’t have to sell to private equity.00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:10.000
We didn’t have to end up going public.00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:12.000
But we, as a family, have these Gilliland00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:15.000
that those goals are then driving our decision.00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:16.000
Yep.00:29:16.000 –> 00:29:19.000
Makes total sense. Right? The the personal vision,00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:21.000
the personal goals are driven by the vehicle00:29:21.000 –> 00:29:23.000
that you happen to be sitting in. Right?00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
And that’s, for you, that was Lewis Lemmon.00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:27.000
So what changed for you when you were00:29:27.000 –> 00:29:29.000
in debt up to your eyeballs, as you00:29:29.000 –> 00:29:32.000
said, and now became massively successful financially.00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:34.000
What changed?00:29:36.000 –> 00:29:37.000
I don’t00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:40.000
well, I don’t think anything changed out. Yeah.00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:42.000
By selling, of course, I lost control of00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:45.000
Lou Gilliland that is That’s another story.00:29:46.000 –> 00:29:48.000
Because I started to lululemon quite late in00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:51.000
life, I mean, sometimes I get labeled colonel00:29:51.000 –> 00:29:53.000
Sanders about starting businesses late.00:29:54.000 –> 00:29:55.000
You know, that was, I guess, that was00:29:55.000 –> 00:29:57.000
about forty two when I started, but Lou00:29:57.000 –> 00:29:59.000
Lemon really didn’t, you know, come to any00:29:59.000 –> 00:30:01.000
success till I was fifty.00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:04.000
And, you know, those eight years were, like,00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:06.000
I said, a struggle to get there.00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:08.000
But it was,00:30:08.000 –> 00:30:11.000
so once you’re fifty, it’s I don’t think00:30:11.000 –> 00:30:14.000
anyone changes. You know, like, it’s the things00:30:14.000 –> 00:30:15.000
that were all as important to me was,00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:18.000
you know, course, Gilliland because without health, you00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:20.000
know, that your ability to enjoy your family00:30:20.000 –> 00:30:22.000
is is very small.00:30:23.000 –> 00:30:26.000
And, you know, I think it’s it comes00:30:26.000 –> 00:30:29.000
down to Matt’s law’s hierarchy of needs. And,00:30:29.000 –> 00:30:31.000
you know, first off, you gotta take care00:30:31.000 –> 00:30:34.000
of survival and, and reproduction. And once that’s00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:37.000
occurred, then you start moving into00:30:37.000 –> 00:30:38.000
longevity00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:41.000
and relay, you know, like, healthy relationships.00:30:41.000 –> 00:30:43.000
And I think that’s where my my priorities00:30:43.000 –> 00:30:44.000
always.00:30:44.000 –> 00:30:45.000
Well, I think it’s it’s neat to hear00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:47.000
you say that too because people, you know,00:30:47.000 –> 00:30:48.000
I’m in the money business. That’s what we00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:51.000
do every day. And and so people think00:30:51.000 –> 00:30:53.000
once they reach these certain levels,00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:55.000
right, whether it’s ten million or a hundred00:30:55.000 –> 00:30:58.000
million or a billion or ten Wilson, that00:30:58.000 –> 00:31:00.000
that’s gonna be the trigger point for something00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:01.000
in their life. And and all the successful00:31:01.000 –> 00:31:03.000
people I get to talk to with the00:31:03.000 –> 00:31:03.000
people like yourself,00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:06.000
wasn’t this moment if I have x in00:31:06.000 –> 00:31:08.000
the bank, and now my life is completely00:31:08.000 –> 00:31:11.000
different. Right? Yeah. No. I mean, what money00:31:11.000 –> 00:31:13.000
does allow someone to buy its time.00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
And, some sixty four.00:31:17.000 –> 00:31:17.000
I, I mean,00:31:18.000 –> 00:31:20.000
you can get where where, like, I have00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:22.000
a driver. You know, and I have a00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.000
driver and people go, oh my god. That’s00:31:24.000 –> 00:31:26.000
so ostentatious, but it’s only different than having00:31:26.000 –> 00:31:29.000
an executive assistant or having a gardener at00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:31.000
your house. You know, if they if I00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:33.000
can pay that person twenty five dollars an00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:35.000
hour, and I can do three hundred dollars00:31:35.000 –> 00:31:37.000
worth of work at the time he drives00:31:37.000 –> 00:31:39.000
me to my workout and back, then I00:31:39.000 –> 00:31:42.000
make money on that. So it it I,00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:45.000
and my whole idea behind driving, saving time00:31:45.000 –> 00:31:46.000
is so I can be with my children00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:49.000
and family because my highest priority. So what’s00:31:49.000 –> 00:31:51.000
that dude or, or or female? What were00:31:51.000 –> 00:31:53.000
they doing right now? As we we’re speaking00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
here today, where’s the driver? Setting outside waiting00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:56.000
or are they at home waiting for the00:31:56.000 –> 00:31:57.000
end of the day?00:31:58.000 –> 00:32:00.000
No. Because often I’ll walk home or things00:32:00.000 –> 00:32:02.000
like that. So I, you know, especially in00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:04.000
the summertime. So, no, they’ll be, they take00:32:04.000 –> 00:32:06.000
care of. We have a couple of houses00:32:06.000 –> 00:32:08.000
and I’ll be taking care of some, renovations00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
that we have going on. Nice. You know,00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:12.000
if the guy card needs filled with gas,00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:14.000
I’ll do that, or I need to, you00:32:14.000 –> 00:32:16.000
know, all those All those things that you00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
you always wished you had someone to do,00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:20.000
but it doesn’t do them. I got that.00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:22.000
You got it. I’m I’m giving you a00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:25.000
fist pump right there. That that’s awesome. So00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:26.000
what are your habits when you were on00:32:26.000 –> 00:32:29.000
the grind, versus today? I think we’ll talk00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:30.000
about both of them if we can. But00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:32.000
what were the habits and rituals that the00:32:32.000 –> 00:32:34.000
no mis items that you had do during00:32:34.000 –> 00:32:34.000
the grind.00:32:35.000 –> 00:32:38.000
During the grind of, building a business. Building00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:39.000
a business. I mean, it’s, you know, again,00:32:39.000 –> 00:32:41.000
we talked earlier before we started recording, you00:32:41.000 –> 00:32:43.000
know, you have five sons. I’ve got four00:32:43.000 –> 00:32:44.000
sons, and I’m, you know, I’m I’m at00:32:44.000 –> 00:32:46.000
work, and then I go straight to a00:32:46.000 –> 00:32:48.000
a sporting event, and it’s coaching, and then00:32:48.000 –> 00:32:49.000
it’s, you know, you go home and you00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:50.000
go to bed and you get up and00:32:50.000 –> 00:32:51.000
you do it all over again. Right? It’s00:32:51.000 –> 00:32:52.000
vicious cycle.00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:54.000
But what were those no mis items for00:32:54.000 –> 00:32:55.000
you?00:32:55.000 –> 00:32:57.000
Well, I it’s funny you say the grind00:32:57.000 –> 00:33:00.000
because in Vancouver, we have three mountains inside00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:02.000
city if you don’t know right right on00:33:02.000 –> 00:33:05.000
the ocean. So it’s a phenomenal place, and00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:07.000
and I do this thing called the Grouse00:33:07.000 –> 00:33:09.000
Grind every morning of all. Four mornings a00:33:09.000 –> 00:33:12.000
week. So it’s a one hour hike Brett00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:13.000
up a mountain. So it it,00:33:14.000 –> 00:33:15.000
so when you said that, I was a00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000
little bit confused.00:33:17.000 –> 00:33:20.000
So in my most things I must do,00:33:20.000 –> 00:33:22.000
first thing in the morning is I must00:33:22.000 –> 00:33:24.000
get that endorphin rush.00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:27.000
And so I will go to University of00:33:27.000 –> 00:33:29.000
BC, which is maybe about ten minute drive00:33:29.000 –> 00:33:30.000
away and run the stairs,00:33:31.000 –> 00:33:33.000
which takes about maybe five minutes to get00:33:33.000 –> 00:33:35.000
to the top stairs in the walk down.00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:37.000
I’ll do that five times.00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:39.000
I’ll do the bus grind, which then takes00:33:39.000 –> 00:33:40.000
an hour to do. It’s just to cross00:33:40.000 –> 00:33:41.000
the town.00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:44.000
And, and then maybe, you know, so that’s00:33:44.000 –> 00:33:45.000
critical for me.00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:47.000
And then,00:33:48.000 –> 00:33:50.000
And then what do I do coming into00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:51.000
work?00:33:52.000 –> 00:33:54.000
Now as I’ll know, during the grind part00:33:54.000 –> 00:33:55.000
of lululemon,00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:57.000
what would have occurred?00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:03.000
I I think it’s my one of the00:34:03.000 –> 00:34:05.000
things I made sure once a week I00:34:05.000 –> 00:34:07.000
would sit down for an hour just a00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
pencil and a piece of paper and just00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:11.000
think about where the where the future need00:34:11.000 –> 00:34:14.000
to be. I think my expertise is be00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:16.000
seeing the world five to seven years in00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:17.000
the future,00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:19.000
which is really, really difficult for a lot00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:21.000
of people I work with. Yeah. Because I’m00:34:21.000 –> 00:34:24.000
kinda like you know, I’m willing to give00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:26.000
up a lot of what’s happening and good00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000
right now in order to build out where00:34:27.000 –> 00:34:29.000
the world’s going.00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:29.000
So00:34:30.000 –> 00:34:32.000
That’s important. And then I think it’s just00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.000
the regularly scheduled meetings,00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:37.000
and then probably even leaving at 01:0000:34:37.000 –> 00:34:39.000
in going for a walk or going for,00:34:39.000 –> 00:34:41.000
like, a thirty minute run would have been00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:42.000
critical at that time.00:34:42.000 –> 00:34:43.000
And then,00:34:44.000 –> 00:34:46.000
and then absolutely being home for dinner with00:34:46.000 –> 00:34:47.000
my family was critical.00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:50.000
I,00:34:50.000 –> 00:34:53.000
again, part of selling the company to private00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:55.000
equity was either I had to make the00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:57.000
choice of I was gonna be traveling. I’m00:34:57.000 –> 00:34:59.000
building a global business, so we were already00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:02.000
in many countries already either00:35:02.000 –> 00:35:04.000
I was gonna be on the road building00:35:04.000 –> 00:35:06.000
a business or I was gonna be letting00:35:06.000 –> 00:35:09.000
that business Brett me raise a great Gilliland00:35:10.000 –> 00:35:11.000
great chose the family.00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
When that’s a that’s a great choice. Great,00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:15.000
Joseph. It’s it’s neat to see some at00:35:15.000 –> 00:35:17.000
your level, and then that was still the00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
number one priority. So congratulations on that. So00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:21.000
what would you look back and tell00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:24.000
the, Chip Wilson, the thirty year old Chip00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:25.000
Wilson, or the forty year old Chip Wilson.00:35:25.000 –> 00:35:27.000
What what advice would you give that guy?00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:32.000
I would have given that guy the advice00:35:32.000 –> 00:35:33.000
that I probably I didn’t need to sell00:35:33.000 –> 00:35:35.000
to private equity, and I didn’t need to00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:36.000
go public.00:35:36.000 –> 00:35:39.000
That’s funny. I was listening to,00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:42.000
to Bill Gates say exactly the same thing00:35:42.000 –> 00:35:43.000
a couple months ago, and,00:35:44.000 –> 00:35:45.000
his big regret00:35:46.000 –> 00:35:49.000
it’s the ability to move quicker and faster.00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:50.000
And I think,00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:51.000
entrepreneurs00:35:52.000 –> 00:35:54.000
can see the future and the,00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
It’s very, very difficult for other people to00:35:56.000 –> 00:35:59.000
see, especially inside a public company.00:35:59.000 –> 00:36:01.000
I could have with the massive amount that00:36:01.000 –> 00:36:03.000
Lebanon was making at the time I did00:36:03.000 –> 00:36:06.000
private equity. I I probably could have just00:36:06.000 –> 00:36:08.000
gone to my bank and said, give me00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:09.000
forty million dollars out of encumbered.00:36:10.000 –> 00:36:12.000
And then I able to buy my ten00:36:12.000 –> 00:36:14.000
million dollar house and put thirty million in00:36:14.000 –> 00:36:14.000
the bank.00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:17.000
And, and then run the business that way.00:36:17.000 –> 00:36:19.000
Yeah. But I didn’t. And, I got a00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:22.000
I got a different outcome from it. So00:36:22.000 –> 00:36:25.000
That would have been my my I would00:36:25.000 –> 00:36:25.000
say00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:29.000
I I went private equity and00:36:29.000 –> 00:36:31.000
in order to get advisors00:36:32.000 –> 00:36:33.000
because people had told me, well, I didn’t00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:36.000
I haven’t run a billion dollar company before00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:37.000
you. I don’t know what you’re doing. You00:36:37.000 –> 00:36:38.000
need people around you.00:36:39.000 –> 00:36:41.000
The advisors I got through private equity, I00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
think were they were self interested.00:36:44.000 –> 00:36:45.000
They and so I had00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:48.000
of courses they should be. Right? I mean,00:36:48.000 –> 00:36:50.000
I’m not I’m not naive in that, but,00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:53.000
what I mean is how I would structured00:36:53.000 –> 00:36:56.000
the deal going into private equity00:36:56.000 –> 00:36:56.000
was,00:36:57.000 –> 00:37:00.000
really handcuff me as when we went public.00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
I lost control of the board. I so00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:04.000
consequently, I lost control of the culture at00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:05.000
the moment.00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:06.000
And,00:37:07.000 –> 00:37:10.000
Blue Lemmon went probably through five years of00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:11.000
the greatest growth in athletic00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:16.000
clothing between Tully two to thirteen and 02:1800:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
when it when it just went flat. If00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
you look at the stock, it went nowhere00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:23.000
because it kind of self imploded because it00:37:23.000 –> 00:37:25.000
just had a it just had board of00:37:25.000 –> 00:37:28.000
directors that you know, where your normal00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:30.000
run of the mill trying to do good00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:33.000
people, but, you know, who were running by00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:34.000
fear as opposed to possibility.00:37:35.000 –> 00:37:36.000
So talk to us about that. I asked00:37:36.000 –> 00:37:38.000
this in every episode, fear.00:37:39.000 –> 00:37:40.000
You mentioned it. So we’ll bring it up00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:41.000
now, but how many of the fears you00:37:41.000 –> 00:37:43.000
put in your mind? Over your career blew00:37:43.000 –> 00:37:45.000
up to the magnitude you put them in00:37:45.000 –> 00:37:46.000
your mind to be.00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
Do I have them? Fears?00:37:53.000 –> 00:37:55.000
So you probably put some in your mind00:37:55.000 –> 00:37:56.000
early on. Right? Like, maybe this won’t make00:37:56.000 –> 00:37:59.000
maybe I’ll go bankrupt. What whatever the, the00:37:59.000 –> 00:38:01.000
fears were in your mind. How many of00:38:01.000 –> 00:38:02.000
those actually blew up, though?00:38:05.000 –> 00:38:06.000
Well,00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000
I don’t think00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:11.000
I can’t say they actually did. I don’t00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:13.000
think I had that many I don’t think00:38:13.000 –> 00:38:15.000
I’ve had years like that. I think part00:38:15.000 –> 00:38:17.000
of my what works for me in life00:38:17.000 –> 00:38:19.000
is I’m incredibly trusting00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:23.000
and I believe in people what they say00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
to me.00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
And I,00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:28.000
and I’m incredibly00:38:28.000 –> 00:38:31.000
positive about the future. So I think that00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:32.000
you ask00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:34.000
a lot of00:38:34.000 –> 00:38:36.000
what what other people have as fears.00:38:37.000 –> 00:38:37.000
Now00:38:38.000 –> 00:38:40.000
where that works that works for me, because00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:43.000
I get incredible people around me. We can00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:45.000
build a great company, but then I also00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:46.000
attract00:38:46.000 –> 00:38:49.000
a certain number of people that are Let’s00:38:49.000 –> 00:38:51.000
say unable to make money on their own,00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
but they’re entrepreneurial00:38:52.000 –> 00:38:54.000
knowing how to make money off of people00:38:54.000 –> 00:38:56.000
who who have my personality.00:38:57.000 –> 00:38:58.000
And,00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:00.000
and I have to sit back and go,00:39:00.000 –> 00:39:02.000
well, I was always that way. You know,00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:03.000
I drove an old car and left a00:39:03.000 –> 00:39:06.000
piece in it because you wanna take my00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:07.000
car go for it. I just, you know,00:39:07.000 –> 00:39:10.000
because details and small things in life are00:39:10.000 –> 00:39:10.000
very, very00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:13.000
they they just can’t take up my mind00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:15.000
because I’ve got like, big, big ideas. So00:39:15.000 –> 00:39:18.000
I need to, I need to free my00:39:18.000 –> 00:39:19.000
mind to,00:39:20.000 –> 00:39:21.000
to love and trust everybody00:39:22.000 –> 00:39:24.000
to think of possibility and be out there00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
in the future and not get consumed with00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:28.000
fear and what ifs.00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:30.000
I love that. So You don’t have to00:39:30.000 –> 00:39:31.000
name drop unless you want to, which is00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:33.000
totally fine. But, I mean, so when somebody00:39:33.000 –> 00:39:35.000
gets to your level now, I mean, who00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:37.000
are you surrounding yourself with to to keep00:39:37.000 –> 00:39:39.000
yourself a student in the game and and,00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:41.000
you know, grabbing lunch with. I mean, who00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:42.000
what what is that buddy system like for00:39:42.000 –> 00:39:44.000
you, today with your level?00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000
You know, I just think enough having been00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:49.000
in Canada and being and on the west00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:52.000
coast of Canada. I mean, there’s nobody here.00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:55.000
Like, you know, there’s very I have00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:58.000
you know, a ninety year old billionaire here00:39:58.000 –> 00:40:00.000
in Vancouver, Joe Siegel, who,00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:02.000
was in the apparel business and is a00:40:02.000 –> 00:40:04.000
wonderful, wonderful man. And00:40:05.000 –> 00:40:06.000
I think about,00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:09.000
you know, five years ago, he said to00:40:09.000 –> 00:40:11.000
me, you know, Chip, you know, like, you00:40:11.000 –> 00:40:13.000
got two more big ones in you. You00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:13.000
know,00:40:14.000 –> 00:40:16.000
and so I went, well, that’s interesting.00:40:16.000 –> 00:40:18.000
And, you know, he said to me, you00:40:18.000 –> 00:40:20.000
know, at sixty, I kinda like, you know,00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:21.000
I thought like I retired, but I started00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:23.000
putting my money into real estate. I was00:40:23.000 –> 00:40:26.000
making my seven percent return a year. Carrie,00:40:26.000 –> 00:40:28.000
I’m ninety years old, and I’ve,00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:29.000
you know,00:40:29.000 –> 00:40:31.000
What have I done in thirty years up00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
there? Nothing? You know, it wasn’t exciting. You00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000
said, you know, like, take fifty percent of00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:36.000
all your own at risk at all.00:40:37.000 –> 00:40:39.000
Wow. What’s it? What? I mean,00:40:39.000 –> 00:40:41.000
what’s it gonna matter? Like, do things that00:40:41.000 –> 00:40:43.000
are, you know, standing?00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
And then he also applied that to philanthropy,00:40:46.000 –> 00:40:47.000
like, rather than kinda free and pay and00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:49.000
doing a little bit here and there, you00:40:49.000 –> 00:40:51.000
know, like, what’s really gonna change the dial00:40:51.000 –> 00:40:53.000
in the world, which I can do with00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:54.000
the amount of money I have?00:40:55.000 –> 00:40:58.000
That those are that’s probably one really key00:40:58.000 –> 00:40:59.000
person.00:40:59.000 –> 00:41:01.000
That’s awesome. I love that.00:41:01.000 –> 00:41:02.000
So you said smartphone,00:41:03.000 –> 00:41:05.000
it killed the balanced life. Now there’s only00:41:05.000 –> 00:41:06.000
life choices.00:41:07.000 –> 00:41:10.000
I love that. So true. Talk to us00:41:10.000 –> 00:41:11.000
about that.00:41:12.000 –> 00:41:12.000
Well,00:41:13.000 –> 00:41:15.000
It would because I’m older I got the00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:17.000
context of observing00:41:17.000 –> 00:41:20.000
my employees and observing people. And of course,00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:21.000
I have, you know, five boys so I00:41:21.000 –> 00:41:23.000
get to observe to00:41:23.000 –> 00:41:26.000
I could and even myself, and I could00:41:26.000 –> 00:41:26.000
see where,00:41:28.000 –> 00:41:29.000
with the digital world’s00:41:29.000 –> 00:41:32.000
probably starting in ninety five or something like00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:33.000
that. The amount of time00:41:34.000 –> 00:41:36.000
that the amount of information that was coming00:41:36.000 –> 00:41:40.000
to each individual person was becoming exponential. Gilliland00:41:40.000 –> 00:41:42.000
I could also see that, you know, the00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
algorithms that, you know, Google or Facebook, whoever00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:47.000
has to keep them on, keep you on,00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000
their sightings and as much as possible was00:41:49.000 –> 00:41:51.000
was eating up00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:52.000
people’s,00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:55.000
it was entertaining people in a way that00:41:55.000 –> 00:41:57.000
gave them an dwarven rush.00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:01.000
What I what I saw then is that00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
life was passing people by.00:42:04.000 –> 00:42:06.000
As often happens,00:42:07.000 –> 00:42:09.000
without realizing that, oh, like, ten years has00:42:09.000 –> 00:42:11.000
gone by. And I do I have I00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:13.000
really appreciated my life? If I appreciated what00:42:14.000 –> 00:42:16.000
done were up onto the people around me.00:42:17.000 –> 00:42:18.000
So,00:42:19.000 –> 00:42:21.000
and then at a certain point, it became00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:22.000
so easy to have a smartphone that you00:42:22.000 –> 00:42:25.000
didn’t need to be you know, when you’re,00:42:26.000 –> 00:42:28.000
you know, when you’re at the office, you’re00:42:28.000 –> 00:42:29.000
at the office or your family with your00:42:29.000 –> 00:42:31.000
family, but now you could choose to be00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:32.000
anywhere anytime.00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:36.000
Basically, what I’m getting at is that we00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
because00:42:39.000 –> 00:42:40.000
life was moving00:42:40.000 –> 00:42:41.000
exponentially,00:42:43.000 –> 00:42:46.000
the number of times a person has to00:42:46.000 –> 00:42:46.000
stop00:42:47.000 –> 00:42:50.000
and be present to the world and be00:42:50.000 –> 00:42:52.000
present to the people around them in what’s00:42:52.000 –> 00:42:53.000
happening00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:56.000
and to actually appreciate the life they have00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:57.000
in that very exact moment.00:42:58.000 –> 00:43:00.000
Has to happen not once every00:43:00.000 –> 00:43:01.000
four months,00:43:01.000 –> 00:43:04.000
but I actually expect today it needs to00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
happen like four or five times a day.00:43:06.000 –> 00:43:08.000
Well, because that phone00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:09.000
can absorb00:43:09.000 –> 00:43:11.000
everything and pretty soon00:43:12.000 –> 00:43:14.000
as what happens to many people they lay00:43:14.000 –> 00:43:16.000
on their death bed, and they go, what00:43:16.000 –> 00:43:18.000
the hell happened to my life? Yeah. What00:43:18.000 –> 00:43:20.000
happened in that moment? Did I why didn’t00:43:20.000 –> 00:43:23.000
I appreciate it when I was there? And00:43:23.000 –> 00:43:25.000
I think that that’s a life worth living.00:43:25.000 –> 00:43:27.000
When we both have thirteen year olds, you00:43:27.000 –> 00:43:28.000
know, and you think of their life at00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:31.000
thirteen versus your and I’s life at thirteen,00:43:31.000 –> 00:43:34.000
completely different. Right? It’s it’s it creates this00:43:34.000 –> 00:43:34.000
addiction.00:43:35.000 –> 00:43:36.000
Yeah. And00:43:37.000 –> 00:43:39.000
and it also I’m I’m fascinated by how00:43:39.000 –> 00:43:41.000
much the brain can actually absolutely00:43:41.000 –> 00:43:42.000
absorb00:43:42.000 –> 00:43:44.000
And, you know, we all told we were00:43:44.000 –> 00:43:46.000
told to mirror you on our brain. We’re00:43:46.000 –> 00:43:47.000
only using it to four or five percent00:43:47.000 –> 00:43:50.000
of what’s possible. And Right. Now learning how00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:52.000
much How much information can be stored in00:43:52.000 –> 00:43:54.000
there? Lob in capacity.00:43:54.000 –> 00:43:55.000
You’re smart.00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:57.000
So if I stole your phone from you00:43:57.000 –> 00:43:59.000
right now, besides email, and I say I’m00:43:59.000 –> 00:44:02.000
a delete an app, any any any phone,00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:04.000
anything on your phone that just Chip Wilson00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:06.000
could not live without speaking to technology?00:44:07.000 –> 00:44:09.000
I think it’s this new app called word00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:12.000
power. It’s, kind of, it’s it’s a,00:44:14.000 –> 00:44:15.000
it’s a crossword.00:44:16.000 –> 00:44:18.000
And it’s, works on a it only gives00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:20.000
you seven letters and it’s a crossword Gilliland00:44:20.000 –> 00:44:22.000
you gotta fill it all out. And I00:44:22.000 –> 00:44:24.000
find myself totally addicted to it.00:44:25.000 –> 00:44:27.000
You gotta put your phone down. Right?00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:30.000
Well, it’s been interesting because I actually when00:44:30.000 –> 00:44:32.000
I was I was in Spain this last00:44:32.000 –> 00:44:34.000
week and I And I, you know, it00:44:34.000 –> 00:44:36.000
was a heat wave. Like, it was what00:44:36.000 –> 00:44:38.000
was a hundred and twenty three degrees in00:44:38.000 –> 00:44:40.000
them? Oh, man. Twenty five k a day.00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:43.000
I run across this cold, fresh pond, and00:44:43.000 –> 00:44:44.000
I and I00:44:45.000 –> 00:44:46.000
dive in. And, of course, I’ve got my00:44:46.000 –> 00:44:48.000
ear pods on, and I’ve got my phone00:44:48.000 –> 00:44:51.000
here, and everything falls into the ended up00:44:51.000 –> 00:44:53.000
fun and so I’ve been without a phone00:44:53.000 –> 00:44:55.000
for three days now. So, uh-oh. Take your00:44:55.000 –> 00:44:57.000
point very seriously. Yeah. Exactly.00:44:58.000 –> 00:45:00.000
So what, favorite book you can recommend for00:45:00.000 –> 00:45:00.000
our listeners?00:45:03.000 –> 00:45:05.000
Besides your own?00:45:06.000 –> 00:45:06.000
Legacy.00:45:07.000 –> 00:45:08.000
Legacy.00:45:08.000 –> 00:45:11.000
I concur, k e r r, and it’s00:45:11.000 –> 00:45:11.000
about,00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:14.000
the most winning sports team in history. It’s00:45:14.000 –> 00:45:16.000
New Zealand All Blacks.00:45:16.000 –> 00:45:19.000
Oh, yeah. I’ve heard about that book. And,00:45:19.000 –> 00:45:21.000
and I read it. I’m the only god.00:45:21.000 –> 00:45:23.000
This is a story about the culture of00:45:23.000 –> 00:45:24.000
Lou Leanne.00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:27.000
To top to bottom. There’s absolutely no difference.00:45:27.000 –> 00:45:28.000
Everything00:45:29.000 –> 00:45:31.000
that they quote in there about how they00:45:31.000 –> 00:45:34.000
learned and and how they directed the people00:45:34.000 –> 00:45:36.000
was all around good to Brett. The the00:45:36.000 –> 00:45:37.000
landmark form,00:45:38.000 –> 00:45:41.000
seven habits, because highly effective people Yeah. In00:45:41.000 –> 00:45:43.000
goal setting. So it was like, Oh, I00:45:43.000 –> 00:45:45.000
was it’s kinda neat to see that the00:45:45.000 –> 00:45:47.000
number one winningest team in the world, you00:45:47.000 –> 00:45:49.000
know, use the same platform.00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:52.000
Yeah. That book’s a it’s gonna be around00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
for generation after generation. Isn’t it the seven00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:56.000
habits of highly affected people? Yeah. I mean,00:45:56.000 –> 00:45:58.000
what’s what’s not to love?00:45:58.000 –> 00:46:01.000
So, your favorite Chip, you’ve been around the00:46:01.000 –> 00:46:04.000
world, obviously, probably multiple times. So, if you00:46:04.000 –> 00:46:06.000
could go anywhere again today, where are you00:46:06.000 –> 00:46:06.000
going?00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:10.000
We’re going to the Antialis Mountains in Morocco,00:46:10.000 –> 00:46:13.000
and we’re, hiking for seven or eight days.00:46:13.000 –> 00:46:14.000
Called the calaver camping.00:46:15.000 –> 00:46:16.000
You know, where we have, you know, lots00:46:16.000 –> 00:46:19.000
of sherpas and cars, anything else, and they00:46:19.000 –> 00:46:21.000
set the tents up and prepare them down.00:46:21.000 –> 00:46:25.000
But the terrain there, and the, moving from00:46:25.000 –> 00:46:28.000
desert to the upper mountains, foothills, to, you00:46:28.000 –> 00:46:29.000
know, canyons was,00:46:30.000 –> 00:46:32.000
I did it before, and that’s the only00:46:32.000 –> 00:46:33.000
thing our family to do again. And so00:46:33.000 –> 00:46:35.000
your all your kids are going everything on00:46:35.000 –> 00:46:37.000
this trip. It’s it’s the Brett. I think00:46:37.000 –> 00:46:40.000
hiking now could be the last way00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:43.000
that parents can can00:46:43.000 –> 00:46:45.000
have their kids like put their phones away00:46:45.000 –> 00:46:48.000
because there’s no service and it’s amazing especially00:46:48.000 –> 00:46:50.000
with boys, you know, after two hours of00:46:50.000 –> 00:46:53.000
silence, they start talking. Right. Exactly.00:46:54.000 –> 00:46:56.000
Start talking and start fighting. Right?00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.000
So working our listeners find more of Chip00:46:58.000 –> 00:46:59.000
Wilson.00:47:00.000 –> 00:47:03.000
Well, I guess they can find, just going00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:05.000
Chip chip Wilson dot com. I have there00:47:05.000 –> 00:47:07.000
and you can kind of move every find00:47:07.000 –> 00:47:09.000
everything from there. Yeah.00:47:09.000 –> 00:47:10.000
Definitely,00:47:10.000 –> 00:47:12.000
I think it’s, you know, probably reading my00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:14.000
book and thanks for for plugging it a00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:16.000
bit. Absolutely. It’s a great business book for00:47:16.000 –> 00:47:17.000
entrepreneurs.00:47:18.000 –> 00:47:19.000
And so you’re sitting in an office there.00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:22.000
It looks like. What’s, what’s Chip Wilson’s day00:47:22.000 –> 00:47:23.000
look like today?00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:26.000
What did I let’s see. What did I00:47:26.000 –> 00:47:28.000
do today? I got up. I took my00:47:28.000 –> 00:47:31.000
boy to summer school. I came back without00:47:31.000 –> 00:47:32.000
my phone.00:47:32.000 –> 00:47:34.000
So I had to00:47:34.000 –> 00:47:36.000
I I walked here. So it was an00:47:36.000 –> 00:47:38.000
hour and a half to walk to work00:47:38.000 –> 00:47:39.000
along the oceanfront00:47:39.000 –> 00:47:42.000
of Vancouver, which is stunning.00:47:42.000 –> 00:47:44.000
And I come to your gas town, which00:47:44.000 –> 00:47:45.000
is our old part of Chip, the town00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
where I am. And,00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:50.000
and then I got Chip to Oh, I00:47:50.000 –> 00:47:52.000
had a call with a guy that did00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:53.000
an article on on me,00:47:54.000 –> 00:47:56.000
from London a few months ago about the00:47:56.000 –> 00:47:57.000
blue lemon AGM.00:47:57.000 –> 00:47:58.000
And,00:47:58.000 –> 00:48:01.000
And then I was and then I, of00:48:01.000 –> 00:48:02.000
course, I haven’t been here for two weeks,00:48:02.000 –> 00:48:05.000
so there’s all sorts of packages with apparel,00:48:06.000 –> 00:48:09.000
samples and getting those to the right Gilliland,00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:13.000
yeah, since someone wrote a book about, I’ll00:48:13.000 –> 00:48:14.000
just show you.00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:21.000
Actually, I don’t even know. It’s called B.00:48:22.000 –> 00:48:24.000
B magazine. I haven’t even unwrapped it, but00:48:24.000 –> 00:48:26.000
it’s, it was a good thing. It’s about00:48:26.000 –> 00:48:28.000
a, a third party that does that and00:48:28.000 –> 00:48:31.000
synopsis is on brands, and they and I00:48:31.000 –> 00:48:32.000
think that’s one of the greatest things that00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
we did at Lou lemon, as I put00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:35.000
all the a lot of my sayings on00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:37.000
the outside of Yeah. Bag.00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:38.000
And,00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
but, you know, Lou Lemon doesn’t shoot. They00:48:40.000 –> 00:48:42.000
only put, like, two or three on now.00:48:42.000 –> 00:48:44.000
They don’t put the fifty on I had00:48:44.000 –> 00:48:47.000
before because It’s a lot cooler then. Yeah.00:48:47.000 –> 00:48:48.000
We have a we’re living the world where00:48:48.000 –> 00:48:52.000
you can’t actually say say truth anymore. You00:48:52.000 –> 00:48:54.000
might hurt somebody’s feelings, Chip. Oh, I know.00:48:54.000 –> 00:48:57.000
Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. And I’m good. You got00:48:57.000 –> 00:48:58.000
them in the socks. You got them on00:48:58.000 –> 00:49:00.000
the band of those t shirts. They were00:49:00.000 –> 00:49:00.000
everywhere.00:49:01.000 –> 00:49:01.000
Yeah.00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:04.000
Well, Chip, it’s been awesome having you, man.00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:06.000
And, it’s it’s crazy what you have done.00:49:06.000 –> 00:49:09.000
You’ve literally changed the way people,00:49:09.000 –> 00:49:11.000
dress. I mean, have you ever really thought00:49:11.000 –> 00:49:11.000
about that?00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:16.000
Yeah. I have, you know, and it’s of00:49:16.000 –> 00:49:19.000
course, I Brett that way for so long.00:49:20.000 –> 00:49:21.000
Like, even00:49:22.000 –> 00:49:24.000
back in the day of going to to00:49:24.000 –> 00:49:26.000
work in a suit and tie, I had00:49:26.000 –> 00:49:28.000
my skateboard shoes on because I skateboarded to00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:29.000
work and00:49:30.000 –> 00:49:32.000
People now kinda thinking that, you know, wearing00:49:32.000 –> 00:49:34.000
wedding shoes with a suit is kinda trendy00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:36.000
and that, but, you know, that’s,00:49:36.000 –> 00:49:39.000
it’s neat to see the world catch up00:49:39.000 –> 00:49:40.000
to the way I thought life should be00:49:40.000 –> 00:49:43.000
lived. Yeah. Well, that little black stretchy pants00:49:43.000 –> 00:49:46.000
that you’ve made has changed the way people00:49:46.000 –> 00:49:48.000
dress you know, the women Brett, and it’s00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:49.000
amazing how you probably thought they were just00:49:49.000 –> 00:49:51.000
giving yoga pants. And now they wear them00:49:51.000 –> 00:49:53.000
dress they wear them dressy too. Right?00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
Well, I knew that from the surfskate snowbird00:49:56.000 –> 00:49:58.000
business that, you know, you make a product00:49:58.000 –> 00:50:00.000
that can that’s technical and looks good on00:50:00.000 –> 00:50:02.000
the street, you know, It was kind of00:50:02.000 –> 00:50:03.000
Italian00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:06.000
styling with West Coast function, I call it.00:50:06.000 –> 00:50:06.000
Nice.00:50:07.000 –> 00:50:09.000
Yeah. Well, very good. Well, Chip, thank you00:50:09.000 –> 00:50:11.000
so much for being on the Circive success00:50:11.000 –> 00:50:13.000
and, continued success to you, and we appreciate00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
your time. K. Thank you very much, Brett.00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
I have my brother is Brett, and my00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
son is Brett, by the way. Well, perfect.00:50:19.000 –> 00:50:19.000
Two tees.00:50:21.000 –> 00:50:21.000
Yeah.00:50:22.000 –> 00:50:22.000
I get51 min - Mastering Mental Performance with Kevin DeShazo
Unlock the keys to success with Kevin DeShazo in this empowering episode of the Circuit of Success podcast. Join host Brett Gilliland as they delve into mental performance mastery, exploring pivotal topics like student-athletes transferring schools, decision-making grounded in knowledge, and the art of disciplined commitment. Discover the transformative impact of self-talk and the strategy of stacking small successes as Kevin shares insights into personal growth and development. “The power of self-talk is so important,” Kevin asserts, emphasizing its role as the language shaping our success. Kevin advocates for pushing beyond comfort zones to foster growth in this conversation. Gain valuable tips on learning from past leaders, making decisions without emotion, and preparing for adversity. Kevin’s wisdom extends to the significance of reading diverse perspectives, following engaging figures on social media, and immersing oneself in insightful books. This episode serves as a compelling reminder to reflect on your goals and dreams, taking actionable steps towards realizing them. By integrating practices like self-talk, stacking small successes, and embracing continuous learning, listeners can enhance their confidence and resilience, making tomorrow better than today. Tune in to this Circuit of Success podcast episode and embark on a journey of self-discovery, empowerment, and tangible strategies for achieving lasting success.
Mastering Mental Performance
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Welcome to the Circuit of Success.00:00:14.000 –> 00:00:16.000
I’m your host Brett Gilliland in today.00:00:16.000 –> 00:00:18.000
I’ve got Kevin DeShazo with me, Kevin. How00:00:18.000 –> 00:00:19.000
you doing?00:00:20.000 –> 00:00:23.000
Fantastic. How are you? I am good. How’s,00:00:23.000 –> 00:00:24.000
Oklahoma City treating you today?00:00:25.000 –> 00:00:26.000
It’s great.00:00:26.000 –> 00:00:29.000
Not too wintery of weather yet. It’s actually00:00:29.000 –> 00:00:31.000
pretty nice. So it’s a it’s good Monday.00:00:31.000 –> 00:00:33.000
Awesome. It’s a little chilly and rainy here,00:00:33.000 –> 00:00:35.000
but it it could be a lot worse.00:00:35.000 –> 00:00:36.000
So that’s our item. I’m just outside of00:00:36.000 –> 00:00:37.000
Saint Louis.00:00:37.000 –> 00:00:40.000
And, so you are in Oklahoma City.00:00:41.000 –> 00:00:43.000
You are the father of three boys. We00:00:43.000 –> 00:00:45.000
both have something in common. We both have00:00:45.000 –> 00:00:46.000
an asher.00:00:46.000 –> 00:00:49.000
And you are married and running some businesses.00:00:49.000 –> 00:00:51.000
Certified mental performance,00:00:51.000 –> 00:00:54.000
mastery coach and founded, field house, media.00:00:54.000 –> 00:00:56.000
And, we’ll talk about some other stuff as00:00:56.000 –> 00:00:58.000
well. So, before we get started though, Kevin,00:00:58.000 –> 00:01:00.000
could you just give us a little lay00:01:00.000 –> 00:01:01.000
of the land? What’s made you the man00:01:01.000 –> 00:01:02.000
you are today and what’s some of the00:01:02.000 –> 00:01:04.000
backstory for you?00:01:04.000 –> 00:01:06.000
Oh, what is that’s a big question. What00:01:06.000 –> 00:01:08.000
has made me the man I am seeing?00:01:08.000 –> 00:01:09.000
Probably who has made me the man I00:01:09.000 –> 00:01:10.000
am seeing?00:01:12.000 –> 00:01:14.000
You know, I’ve I’ve been really fortunate to00:01:14.000 –> 00:01:16.000
have great mentors, great people,00:01:16.000 –> 00:01:18.000
in my life from a a young age.00:01:19.000 –> 00:01:21.000
And I think the the two things I’ve00:01:21.000 –> 00:01:23.000
learned probably the most from from all those00:01:23.000 –> 00:01:26.000
mentors combined is one, the power of speaking00:01:26.000 –> 00:01:28.000
belief in the people. These are always people00:01:28.000 –> 00:01:31.000
who believed something in me. Saw something in00:01:31.000 –> 00:01:33.000
me, called those things up in me,00:01:33.000 –> 00:01:36.000
treated me as if I I’ve I’ve already00:01:36.000 –> 00:01:37.000
was those things00:01:37.000 –> 00:01:40.000
and two, just the, their, the way they00:01:40.000 –> 00:01:42.000
modeled their life. Right? They were people who00:01:42.000 –> 00:01:45.000
were accountable. They were disciplined. They were consistent.00:01:46.000 –> 00:01:48.000
What’s it was important to me. They were00:01:48.000 –> 00:01:50.000
they were all rooted in faith.00:01:50.000 –> 00:01:52.000
So they were good husbands, good dads, good00:01:52.000 –> 00:01:54.000
business people, whatever their job was.00:01:55.000 –> 00:01:57.000
And so I’ve always had had good mentors.00:01:57.000 –> 00:01:58.000
And then over the years, you know, I00:01:58.000 –> 00:02:00.000
went into the corporate world right out of00:02:00.000 –> 00:02:02.000
college. Well, that’s not true.00:02:02.000 –> 00:02:04.000
Don’t have to go down this down down00:02:04.000 –> 00:02:06.000
this revolt, but I was I was an00:02:06.000 –> 00:02:08.000
embalmer’s assistant for six months immediately out of00:02:08.000 –> 00:02:09.000
college. Wow.00:02:09.000 –> 00:02:12.000
Then then went into the corporate world. Then00:02:12.000 –> 00:02:13.000
started my own business,00:02:13.000 –> 00:02:15.000
and businesses. And so lots of ups and00:02:15.000 –> 00:02:17.000
downs of peaks and valleys and failures and00:02:17.000 –> 00:02:18.000
successes,00:02:19.000 –> 00:02:21.000
think all those things, all those experiences, the00:02:21.000 –> 00:02:23.000
wins and losses, you know, they they each00:02:23.000 –> 00:02:25.000
kinda mold you into. If you allow them00:02:25.000 –> 00:02:26.000
to, if you use them the right way,00:02:26.000 –> 00:02:27.000
they mold you into,00:02:27.000 –> 00:02:30.000
who you’re supposed to be. Yeah. And you00:02:30.000 –> 00:02:31.000
grew up in Oklahoma?00:02:32.000 –> 00:02:35.000
Mostly, I was in Missouri, until sixth grade.00:02:35.000 –> 00:02:37.000
And so I moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma,00:02:37.000 –> 00:02:40.000
right after I finished sixth grade, and dinner,00:02:40.000 –> 00:02:43.000
Oklahoma since then. Nice. And doing some work00:02:43.000 –> 00:02:46.000
with Oklahoma, the university. Right? That’s right. Yeah.00:02:46.000 –> 00:02:48.000
We we do a lot with their athletic00:02:48.000 –> 00:02:50.000
department, both from their administration, you know, jokes00:02:50.000 –> 00:02:52.000
to Leon, their athletic director, their leadership team,00:02:52.000 –> 00:02:53.000
their department,00:02:54.000 –> 00:02:55.000
but also work with a lot of their00:02:55.000 –> 00:02:56.000
sports teams,00:02:56.000 –> 00:02:58.000
worked deeply with football team, travel with the00:02:58.000 –> 00:03:00.000
football team. So it’s a it’s it’s a00:03:00.000 –> 00:03:03.000
fun a fun client to have. Yeah. So00:03:03.000 –> 00:03:04.000
speaking of football, so how did,00:03:05.000 –> 00:03:07.000
how did you think it went last night?00:03:07.000 –> 00:03:08.000
They picked the top four teams.00:03:09.000 –> 00:03:12.000
Well, Florida State’s also a client. Yeah. Oh.00:03:12.000 –> 00:03:14.000
So so so didn’t didn’t love them being00:03:14.000 –> 00:03:15.000
left out.00:03:16.000 –> 00:03:18.000
You know, it’s it’s a there’s probably a00:03:18.000 –> 00:03:20.000
bigger societal perspective to take on it, but00:03:20.000 –> 00:03:21.000
it was00:03:22.000 –> 00:03:23.000
you know, the committee went, in my opinion,00:03:23.000 –> 00:03:26.000
they went on feelings based on that I00:03:26.000 –> 00:03:28.000
rather rather than based on facts.00:03:28.000 –> 00:03:30.000
I just think it’s tough to leave,00:03:31.000 –> 00:03:32.000
a Power five undefeated team00:03:33.000 –> 00:03:35.000
out, you know,00:03:35.000 –> 00:03:37.000
in in place of teams who have who00:03:37.000 –> 00:03:38.000
have lost skin. Now for that fourth spot,00:03:38.000 –> 00:03:40.000
I think there could be a lot of00:03:40.000 –> 00:03:42.000
argument. Whether it’s Bamba or Georgia or Texas00:03:42.000 –> 00:03:43.000
or00:03:43.000 –> 00:03:45.000
even Ohio State, you know, they’re only lost00:03:45.000 –> 00:03:47.000
being to Michigan. There’s a lot of argument00:03:47.000 –> 00:03:49.000
for that fourth spot, but my opinion, Florida00:03:49.000 –> 00:03:50.000
State should have been should have been a00:03:50.000 –> 00:03:53.000
guarantee. Yep. Yeah. It’s tough. And I guess00:03:53.000 –> 00:03:54.000
next year going to what? Ten teams or00:03:54.000 –> 00:03:57.000
twelve teams, whatever they’re doing next year. Yeah.00:03:57.000 –> 00:03:58.000
Twelve will change from that. But then you’ll00:03:58.000 –> 00:04:01.000
still have the thirteenth team. That’ll be mad.00:04:01.000 –> 00:04:03.000
That’s right. And, That’s right. That’s where I00:04:03.000 –> 00:04:04.000
go because you’re right. It’s like the twelve00:04:04.000 –> 00:04:05.000
team solves00:04:06.000 –> 00:04:08.000
this discussion in terms of, like, okay. They00:04:08.000 –> 00:04:10.000
would have all had a chance.00:04:10.000 –> 00:04:12.000
And and I’ve been, you know, hoping and00:04:12.000 –> 00:04:14.000
waiting for this this twelve team for a00:04:14.000 –> 00:04:16.000
while because I my general opinion is if00:04:16.000 –> 00:04:19.000
you’re in the top 08:10, maybe twelve,00:04:19.000 –> 00:04:21.000
you probably have a good chance, like, to00:04:21.000 –> 00:04:22.000
win a national, like, a national title. You’ve00:04:22.000 –> 00:04:24.000
got some talent. You’re you’re pretty elite.00:04:25.000 –> 00:04:27.000
There’s not always. Some years, there’s a massive00:04:27.000 –> 00:04:29.000
difference, but typically that that one to eight,00:04:29.000 –> 00:04:31.000
one to ten gap is not very wide.00:04:32.000 –> 00:04:34.000
Once you get thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, say, okay,00:04:34.000 –> 00:04:36.000
you’ve probably lost two or three games. It’s00:04:36.000 –> 00:04:38.000
like you’ve had enough of a chance00:04:39.000 –> 00:04:40.000
But it’ll be but there’s always gonna be00:04:40.000 –> 00:04:42.000
someone who feels left out. Right? And whether00:04:42.000 –> 00:04:43.000
there were thirty teams, right, someone’s gonna feel00:04:43.000 –> 00:04:46.000
left out. Yep. Yeah. Well, you look at,00:04:46.000 –> 00:04:47.000
like, Liberty, I saw the twelfth team, I00:04:47.000 –> 00:04:48.000
think, liberty.00:04:49.000 –> 00:04:50.000
And then you got, like, LSU on the00:04:50.000 –> 00:04:51.000
thirteenth.00:04:51.000 –> 00:04:52.000
Oh, wow.00:04:53.000 –> 00:04:55.000
So the thirteenth team was LSUU. You look00:04:55.000 –> 00:04:56.000
at the difference of who they’re all playing,00:04:56.000 –> 00:04:58.000
you know, a little bit different deal there.00:04:58.000 –> 00:05:01.000
So so, And and Liberty Liberty go to00:05:01.000 –> 00:05:03.000
play Oregon. So that’ll be interesting. Yeah.00:05:03.000 –> 00:05:05.000
Yeah. Who who are you guys playing?00:05:06.000 –> 00:05:08.000
We’ve got Arizona. Will be a great I00:05:08.000 –> 00:05:10.000
mean, Arizona, they’ve won, like, five straight, I00:05:10.000 –> 00:05:10.000
believe.00:05:11.000 –> 00:05:12.000
Mhmm. And then when you add all the00:05:12.000 –> 00:05:14.000
transfer portal, so our quarterback just announced today,00:05:14.000 –> 00:05:15.000
he’s leaving00:05:17.000 –> 00:05:19.000
as a grad transfer, we’ve got a we’ve00:05:19.000 –> 00:05:21.000
got a guy who’s who’s playing behind him,00:05:21.000 –> 00:05:22.000
who was ready. And he this year was00:05:22.000 –> 00:05:24.000
kind of a mentoring year for him. Talked00:05:24.000 –> 00:05:24.000
about great leadership.00:05:26.000 –> 00:05:27.000
But portal season,00:05:27.000 –> 00:05:30.000
people transferring, coaches, moving around. So it’ll be00:05:30.000 –> 00:05:30.000
interesting.00:05:31.000 –> 00:05:33.000
Yeah. It’s crazy. I saw today the, so00:05:33.000 –> 00:05:35.000
Ohio States play in Missouri,00:05:35.000 –> 00:05:38.000
and they’ve already announced, like, their quarterbacks leaving00:05:38.000 –> 00:05:39.000
Ohio State’s quarterback leaving. They had, like, I00:05:39.000 –> 00:05:41.000
don’t know. Five or six guys already say00:05:41.000 –> 00:05:43.000
they’re not playing in the game. It’s, like,00:05:43.000 –> 00:05:44.000
it’s wild. It’s wild.00:05:44.000 –> 00:05:46.000
Yeah. Yeah. So so how do we fix00:05:46.000 –> 00:05:49.000
that? The societal problem of of this. Right?00:05:49.000 –> 00:05:52.000
What I worry about with the, the transfer00:05:52.000 –> 00:05:54.000
portal and all that stuff as accountability00:05:54.000 –> 00:05:56.000
is kids these days can run from Right?00:05:56.000 –> 00:05:59.000
Because if I hold you accountable Gilliland00:05:59.000 –> 00:06:00.000
you don’t like that, well, then what are00:06:00.000 –> 00:06:02.000
you gonna do? You’re just gonna take your00:06:02.000 –> 00:06:03.000
bag and you’re gonna take the ball and00:06:03.000 –> 00:06:05.000
go home. Right? So so what are your00:06:05.000 –> 00:06:07.000
thoughts on and then how do we fix00:06:07.000 –> 00:06:07.000
that issue?00:06:08.000 –> 00:06:10.000
Yeah. It’s really interesting.00:06:10.000 –> 00:06:12.000
I think transferring is fine.00:06:13.000 –> 00:06:15.000
I liked the old way where you had00:06:15.000 –> 00:06:16.000
to sit out for a season because that00:06:16.000 –> 00:06:18.000
made you have to really think, like, okay.00:06:18.000 –> 00:06:20.000
Am I do I really wanna go somewhere?00:06:20.000 –> 00:06:21.000
Am I really that unhappy?00:06:22.000 –> 00:06:23.000
That I’m willing to go sit for a00:06:23.000 –> 00:06:26.000
year and lose development, lose playing time, lose00:06:26.000 –> 00:06:29.000
putting myself on tape. If I think I’m00:06:29.000 –> 00:06:30.000
good enough to go to the NFL, or00:06:30.000 –> 00:06:32.000
MBA, whatever it may be.00:06:33.000 –> 00:06:34.000
And so I I think there has to00:06:34.000 –> 00:06:36.000
be some form of consequence,00:06:36.000 –> 00:06:38.000
so to speak, transferring to cause them to00:06:38.000 –> 00:06:40.000
to pause a little bit, which I think00:06:40.000 –> 00:06:41.000
is is now come back. Now you can00:06:41.000 –> 00:06:42.000
transfer00:06:42.000 –> 00:06:44.000
once freely, but the second time I think00:06:44.000 –> 00:06:46.000
now you have to sit out. Something along00:06:46.000 –> 00:06:47.000
those lines. Okay.00:06:48.000 –> 00:06:50.000
Or or some situation where you have to00:06:50.000 –> 00:06:51.000
get a waiver. I mean, I think just00:06:51.000 –> 00:06:52.000
allowing kids to transfer00:06:53.000 –> 00:06:55.000
You know, when I was eighteen, I knew00:06:55.000 –> 00:06:57.000
nothing. I should not have been making decisions00:06:57.000 –> 00:06:59.000
for my life or my career at at00:06:59.000 –> 00:07:00.000
eighteen because it would have all been based00:07:00.000 –> 00:07:02.000
on how I the moment. And if someone00:07:02.000 –> 00:07:04.000
does something I don’t like, well, this coach00:07:04.000 –> 00:07:05.000
is against me. They’re being a jerk. Like,00:07:05.000 –> 00:07:07.000
no, this is called discipline and accountability. And00:07:07.000 –> 00:07:08.000
this is what growth looks like.00:07:09.000 –> 00:07:11.000
So I think we’ve we’ve got a what’s00:07:11.000 –> 00:07:13.000
interesting is the person who gets hurt the00:07:13.000 –> 00:07:15.000
most in this are the student athletes. They00:07:15.000 –> 00:07:16.000
think it’s helping the student athletes. They’re the00:07:16.000 –> 00:07:18.000
ones who get hurt the worst. Because they00:07:18.000 –> 00:07:19.000
all go on the Gilliland then, you know,00:07:19.000 –> 00:07:22.000
whatever the number is, forty five, fifty percent00:07:22.000 –> 00:07:23.000
have nowhere to go.00:07:24.000 –> 00:07:25.000
There there’s no spot. So they think they’re00:07:25.000 –> 00:07:27.000
going to greener pastures, and there’s nothing. And00:07:27.000 –> 00:07:29.000
they go from a, you know, it could00:07:29.000 –> 00:07:30.000
be an Oklahoma State to a division two00:07:30.000 –> 00:07:33.000
or division three school or a low level,00:07:33.000 –> 00:07:35.000
group of five, you know, division one school.00:07:35.000 –> 00:07:36.000
It’s like, wait a minute. I was in00:07:36.000 –> 00:07:38.000
the Big twelve. And now I’m00:07:39.000 –> 00:07:40.000
at at, you know, the bottom of the00:07:40.000 –> 00:07:42.000
pack in the sun belt or whatever it00:07:42.000 –> 00:07:43.000
may be. Yeah.00:07:43.000 –> 00:07:44.000
So I think that’s that’s part of it.00:07:44.000 –> 00:07:46.000
I think we need to change the timing00:07:47.000 –> 00:07:48.000
they they had a few portal windows, but00:07:48.000 –> 00:07:50.000
doing it right now,00:07:51.000 –> 00:07:53.000
when one coaches football coaches from December first00:07:53.000 –> 00:07:55.000
to December sixteenth is an is an open00:07:55.000 –> 00:07:57.000
period for recruiting. So they’re visiting all these00:07:57.000 –> 00:07:58.000
high school kids,00:07:58.000 –> 00:08:00.000
for the next two weeks while trying to00:08:00.000 –> 00:08:02.000
keep their current roster here00:08:02.000 –> 00:08:04.000
while trying to prepare for a bowl game.00:08:05.000 –> 00:08:06.000
And signing day00:08:07.000 –> 00:08:09.000
is in the next two to three weeks,00:08:09.000 –> 00:08:11.000
like, the the main signing day. So then00:08:11.000 –> 00:08:12.000
all this is happening in a matter of00:08:12.000 –> 00:08:15.000
three weeks. And it’s just utter chaos,00:08:16.000 –> 00:08:17.000
for everyone. And so to say, wait a00:08:17.000 –> 00:08:19.000
minute. Like, we’ve gotta calm down with the00:08:19.000 –> 00:08:21.000
opt outs of bowl games with being able00:08:21.000 –> 00:08:22.000
to transfer00:08:22.000 –> 00:08:24.000
there’s gotta be value in finishing what you00:08:24.000 –> 00:08:24.000
started.00:08:25.000 –> 00:08:28.000
And and if you wanna transfer, that’s okay.00:08:28.000 –> 00:08:29.000
It might you might be in the wrong00:08:29.000 –> 00:08:31.000
situation. Right? They may have fired your coach.00:08:31.000 –> 00:08:32.000
You’re like, man, I don’t buy into the00:08:32.000 –> 00:08:33.000
new coach. Like, this is not what I00:08:33.000 –> 00:08:35.000
was here for. There’s always situations,00:08:35.000 –> 00:08:37.000
but I do think there has to be00:08:37.000 –> 00:08:40.000
a better process where it benefits everyone.00:08:40.000 –> 00:08:42.000
Yeah. I’ve talked to coaches, you know, it’s00:08:42.000 –> 00:08:44.000
it’s tough because now they’re having to recruit00:08:45.000 –> 00:08:47.000
the same kids. They’ve already recruited Right? And00:08:47.000 –> 00:08:48.000
so if it doesn’t get me easier. And00:08:48.000 –> 00:08:50.000
that that whole accountability thing, like I mentioned,00:08:50.000 –> 00:08:52.000
is what what worries me. And00:08:53.000 –> 00:08:54.000
I don’t know. You worry about I worry00:08:54.000 –> 00:08:55.000
about this. I mean, I’m just getting to00:08:55.000 –> 00:08:57.000
be the old dad. You worry about, like,00:08:57.000 –> 00:08:59.000
chat, GPT. I worry about that stuff. Like,00:08:59.000 –> 00:09:01.000
is that gonna take away critical thinking from00:09:01.000 –> 00:09:02.000
our kids?00:09:02.000 –> 00:09:05.000
Right. Right. All that Gilliland so that’s probably00:09:05.000 –> 00:09:06.000
a whole another podcast. But,00:09:07.000 –> 00:09:09.000
so you are a big reader, I see.00:09:09.000 –> 00:09:11.000
And so talk to me about that. So,00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:11.000
obviously,00:09:11.000 –> 00:09:14.000
I think it’s a a big important thing00:09:14.000 –> 00:09:15.000
that people obviously need to do, but talk00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:16.000
to me about what you get from it,00:09:16.000 –> 00:09:18.000
what’s your process like, kind of books you00:09:18.000 –> 00:09:19.000
recommend.00:09:20.000 –> 00:09:21.000
I just think, you know, I fell in00:09:21.000 –> 00:09:23.000
love with reading at a young age. I00:09:23.000 –> 00:09:25.000
mean, in kindergarten, I was reading six grade00:09:25.000 –> 00:09:27.000
level books and couldn’t couldn’t get enough. I00:09:27.000 –> 00:09:28.000
just loved reading.00:09:29.000 –> 00:09:31.000
And then you know, kinda as as school00:09:31.000 –> 00:09:32.000
tends to do, I was forced to read.00:09:32.000 –> 00:09:34.000
And so I lost kind of the love00:09:34.000 –> 00:09:35.000
and and passion for it when I didn’t00:09:35.000 –> 00:09:37.000
have a have a choice in when I00:09:37.000 –> 00:09:38.000
was getting to read and when I read00:09:38.000 –> 00:09:38.000
it.00:09:39.000 –> 00:09:40.000
But I’d say in the last 10:15 years,00:09:40.000 –> 00:09:42.000
I’ve just kinda rediscovered that passion.00:09:43.000 –> 00:09:45.000
It sparks ideas. It’s a good way for00:09:45.000 –> 00:09:47.000
me to to it’s it’s a weird combination00:09:47.000 –> 00:09:49.000
of shutting off my brain, but also turning00:09:49.000 –> 00:09:50.000
on my brain. Right? I can shut it00:09:50.000 –> 00:09:52.000
off from my day to day and things00:09:52.000 –> 00:09:52.000
that,00:09:53.000 –> 00:09:55.000
cause stress or I’m building or need to00:09:55.000 –> 00:09:57.000
think about, but it allows me think about00:09:57.000 –> 00:09:59.000
new things, and think about the things I’m00:09:59.000 –> 00:10:01.000
doing maybe in a in a different way.00:10:01.000 –> 00:10:03.000
And I just I don’t know who who00:10:03.000 –> 00:10:05.000
the original quote, where it’s from, but, you00:10:05.000 –> 00:10:07.000
know, leaders are readers. And I just think00:10:07.000 –> 00:10:09.000
that’s we we have to be reading. We00:10:09.000 –> 00:10:11.000
can’t be stagnant just because I know what00:10:11.000 –> 00:10:12.000
I’m doing in this lane today,00:10:13.000 –> 00:10:15.000
doesn’t mean I know much about tomorrow or00:10:15.000 –> 00:10:17.000
these other areas. And so I think trying00:10:17.000 –> 00:10:19.000
to be well read, and trying to model00:10:19.000 –> 00:10:20.000
that for my kids. Like, it’s just a00:10:20.000 –> 00:10:23.000
good way to to slow down. Fortunately so00:10:23.000 –> 00:10:25.000
far, my kids love reading. My fourteen year00:10:25.000 –> 00:10:27.000
old, you know, we’ll go to Florida in00:10:27.000 –> 00:10:28.000
the summer, and it’s probably, I don’t know,00:10:28.000 –> 00:10:31.000
ten hour drive, twelve hour drive, and he’ll00:10:31.000 –> 00:10:32.000
he’ll read an entire book, you know, just00:10:32.000 –> 00:10:33.000
sit in the back of the car. We00:10:33.000 –> 00:10:35.000
won’t hear from him the whole trip. He’s00:10:35.000 –> 00:10:36.000
just got his his his head in the00:10:36.000 –> 00:10:37.000
book. And,00:10:37.000 –> 00:10:38.000
and, and he loves it. I mean, he00:10:38.000 –> 00:10:39.000
read one year00:10:40.000 –> 00:10:43.000
all the Harry Potter books from Christmas to00:10:43.000 –> 00:10:43.000
February.00:10:44.000 –> 00:10:47.000
Wow. Just just sat down and and yeah.00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:49.000
And so I, yeah, I just think it’s00:10:49.000 –> 00:10:51.000
such a valuable thing and and part of00:10:51.000 –> 00:10:51.000
it.00:10:52.000 –> 00:10:53.000
You know, I don’t know if I just00:10:53.000 –> 00:10:54.000
think this or if this is true, but00:10:54.000 –> 00:10:56.000
I think as a society in general, we00:10:56.000 –> 00:10:56.000
don’t read enough.00:10:57.000 –> 00:10:59.000
Social media doesn’t count. Right? Like, Twitter is00:10:59.000 –> 00:11:00.000
not reading.00:11:00.000 –> 00:11:02.000
And and so I think we we just00:11:02.000 –> 00:11:05.000
kinda lost the the value that the books00:11:05.000 –> 00:11:07.000
bring historical books, new books, And so I00:11:07.000 –> 00:11:09.000
I like all topics. That’s probably not fair.00:11:10.000 –> 00:11:12.000
I love reading leadership books. I love reading00:11:12.000 –> 00:11:14.000
business books. I love history of getting getting00:11:14.000 –> 00:11:16.000
more and more into older history books and00:11:16.000 –> 00:11:19.000
seeing what leaders of the past did. Right?00:11:19.000 –> 00:11:20.000
There there’s nothing new under the sun. So00:11:20.000 –> 00:11:22.000
we can come up with with all these00:11:22.000 –> 00:11:23.000
new leadership books today, but00:11:24.000 –> 00:11:26.000
what did people do in the early nineteen00:11:26.000 –> 00:11:28.000
hundreds and the eighteen hundred. Like, what were00:11:28.000 –> 00:11:30.000
they thinking? Those those principles still matter, you00:11:30.000 –> 00:11:31.000
know, so so learning from leaders of the00:11:31.000 –> 00:11:32.000
past.00:11:32.000 –> 00:11:34.000
Love it. Love it. You got a book00:11:34.000 –> 00:11:35.000
right there behind you. I can see that00:11:35.000 –> 00:11:38.000
one right there. Keep keep chopping wood.00:11:38.000 –> 00:11:40.000
Yep. Right? So tell me about that.00:11:41.000 –> 00:11:42.000
It was really interesting.00:11:43.000 –> 00:11:45.000
So kind of the backstory on it. It00:11:45.000 –> 00:11:48.000
was a Saturday night in January, and and00:11:48.000 –> 00:11:50.000
it was freezing outside, like snow on the00:11:50.000 –> 00:11:51.000
ground type freezing.00:11:52.000 –> 00:11:54.000
And at the time, we lived in about00:11:54.000 –> 00:11:55.000
a hundred and five year old house in00:11:55.000 –> 00:11:57.000
downtown Oklahoma City.00:11:57.000 –> 00:11:59.000
We’ve recently moved,00:11:59.000 –> 00:12:02.000
just general life advice for anyone listening. Don’t00:12:02.000 –> 00:12:04.000
move between Christmas and New Year’s. Like, that’s00:12:04.000 –> 00:12:06.000
a great test of your marriage.00:12:06.000 –> 00:12:08.000
We passed, thankfully.00:12:08.000 –> 00:12:10.000
But so at the time we lived in00:12:10.000 –> 00:12:11.000
a hundred and five year old home, and,00:12:11.000 –> 00:12:13.000
you know, the windows were00:12:13.000 –> 00:12:15.000
were less than paper thin.00:12:15.000 –> 00:12:17.000
And my neighbor had a wood burning fireplace.00:12:18.000 –> 00:12:19.000
And so we’re sitting there watching TV one00:12:19.000 –> 00:12:21.000
night, and I can smell his fireplace burning.00:12:22.000 –> 00:12:24.000
You know, my brain goes weird places, and00:12:24.000 –> 00:12:27.000
I’m like, wonder? Like, wonder where firewood comes00:12:27.000 –> 00:12:29.000
from? Like, what’s the process? Like, what how00:12:29.000 –> 00:12:30.000
does that how does it get from tree00:12:30.000 –> 00:12:32.000
to fireplace? Like, what does that look like?00:12:32.000 –> 00:12:34.000
And and so I’ve googled it. Obviously, it’s00:12:34.000 –> 00:12:37.000
not sound like secret process. I think government00:12:37.000 –> 00:12:39.000
is not trying to prevent us from knowing00:12:39.000 –> 00:12:41.000
what this looks like. And so I I00:12:41.000 –> 00:12:43.000
what I found was00:12:43.000 –> 00:12:43.000
that00:12:44.000 –> 00:12:46.000
that the wood my neighbor was burning was00:12:46.000 –> 00:12:48.000
not from that morning. It wasn’t from earlier00:12:48.000 –> 00:12:50.000
in the week. That wood goes through this.00:12:50.000 –> 00:12:52.000
It’s called seasoning, but it’s essentially just drying00:12:52.000 –> 00:12:54.000
out. Wood has to dry out. It could00:12:54.000 –> 00:12:56.000
be six, 09:12, fifteen months depending on the00:12:56.000 –> 00:12:57.000
wood.00:12:57.000 –> 00:12:59.000
In order for it to be ready for00:12:59.000 –> 00:13:00.000
the fireplace in order for it to be00:13:00.000 –> 00:13:03.000
be useful. Same thing if anyone listening, you00:13:03.000 –> 00:13:04.000
know, you you go camping, well, if you00:13:04.000 –> 00:13:05.000
try to light what00:13:06.000 –> 00:13:08.000
firewood or your campsite, it’s not gonna work00:13:08.000 –> 00:13:09.000
out. So same concept.00:13:10.000 –> 00:13:11.000
And so I’m like, oh, interesting. Well, that00:13:11.000 –> 00:13:13.000
means somebody had to be out in, like,00:13:13.000 –> 00:13:16.000
March getting that firewood. You know, this wasn’t,00:13:16.000 –> 00:13:17.000
like, earlier this week or earlier in the00:13:17.000 –> 00:13:19.000
month, or this was months ago when they00:13:19.000 –> 00:13:22.000
didn’t need it. That’s interesting. And so that00:13:22.000 –> 00:13:24.000
made me think of culture and leadership and00:13:24.000 –> 00:13:26.000
this process of of getting better.00:13:26.000 –> 00:13:28.000
And so I just fired off a tweet00:13:28.000 –> 00:13:29.000
as I typically do and,00:13:30.000 –> 00:13:31.000
went to bed. Tell my wife’s, like, I00:13:31.000 –> 00:13:33.000
think I found the idea of my next00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:34.000
book. And she’s like, I’m sure you did00:13:34.000 –> 00:13:36.000
because this is a seven times a week.00:13:36.000 –> 00:13:38.000
I think I have an idea for a00:13:38.000 –> 00:13:38.000
new book.00:13:39.000 –> 00:13:40.000
And and so I woke up and it00:13:40.000 –> 00:13:42.000
had kinda blown up a little bit. Like,00:13:42.000 –> 00:13:44.000
okay. Interesting. That that resonated, which that’s a00:13:44.000 –> 00:13:46.000
lot of what social media is for me00:13:46.000 –> 00:13:48.000
is just putting out thoughts to see what00:13:48.000 –> 00:13:49.000
resonates, what connects,00:13:50.000 –> 00:13:52.000
and that one did. And so then I00:13:52.000 –> 00:13:53.000
I have a a newsletter that I write00:13:53.000 –> 00:13:55.000
for leaders every day.00:13:55.000 –> 00:13:56.000
Used that story00:13:56.000 –> 00:13:58.000
in my newsletter. So that was on a00:13:58.000 –> 00:14:00.000
Saturday. Use this the story of my newsletter00:14:00.000 –> 00:14:02.000
on a Monday. And I don’t usually get00:14:02.000 –> 00:14:05.000
responses on the newsletter. It’s not designed to00:14:05.000 –> 00:14:07.000
get responses. It’s just designed to serve people.00:14:07.000 –> 00:14:09.000
Like, here’s a thought, here’s a thing. And00:14:09.000 –> 00:14:12.000
I probably got fifty, sixty responses of, and00:14:12.000 –> 00:14:13.000
I printed this off and gave it to00:14:13.000 –> 00:14:14.000
my whole team. And I gave this to00:14:14.000 –> 00:14:16.000
my son. I mean, like, okay. Two for00:14:16.000 –> 00:14:17.000
two. There’s something there.00:14:18.000 –> 00:14:20.000
And our office is above a coffee shop00:14:20.000 –> 00:14:22.000
here in downtown Oklahoma City. And so that00:14:22.000 –> 00:14:23.000
Tuesday morning came in,00:14:24.000 –> 00:14:25.000
which the copy shop put some headphones in00:14:25.000 –> 00:14:28.000
and four hours later, there it was. Wow.00:14:28.000 –> 00:14:30.000
And that sounds impressive. It’s not it’s, like,00:14:30.000 –> 00:14:32.000
nine thousand words. It’s not like I wrote00:14:32.000 –> 00:14:34.000
a forty thousand word novel. It’s nine thousand00:14:34.000 –> 00:14:36.000
words. You you can read it in about00:14:36.000 –> 00:14:36.000
thirty minutes.00:14:37.000 –> 00:14:39.000
But, yeah, still wrote it that that day00:14:39.000 –> 00:14:41.000
and published it a few months later. That’s00:14:41.000 –> 00:14:43.000
beautiful. So how many total books have you00:14:43.000 –> 00:14:43.000
written?00:14:45.000 –> 00:14:46.000
Three.00:14:48.000 –> 00:14:50.000
I just finished the fourth. I’ve got a00:14:50.000 –> 00:14:52.000
new one that I’m I’m working on. But00:14:52.000 –> 00:14:53.000
I wrote one. So so one of my00:14:53.000 –> 00:14:56.000
first businesses I started was called Fieldhouse Media,00:14:56.000 –> 00:14:58.000
and it was doing social media training for00:14:58.000 –> 00:14:59.000
college athletes and coaches00:14:59.000 –> 00:15:01.000
And so I wrote a book called eye00:15:01.000 –> 00:15:03.000
athlete, which is really about helping coaches understand00:15:03.000 –> 00:15:05.000
this generation of of student athlete.00:15:06.000 –> 00:15:08.000
Don’t recommend that one. It was more of00:15:08.000 –> 00:15:10.000
one is terribly, rewritten. But it was more00:15:10.000 –> 00:15:12.000
of, like, to establish myself as the thought00:15:12.000 –> 00:15:14.000
leader kind of in that space.00:15:14.000 –> 00:15:16.000
And then I wrote a book called Leadershipinterrupted,00:15:17.000 –> 00:15:19.000
which took three hundred and sixty five of00:15:19.000 –> 00:15:21.000
my daily emails and just kinda put them00:15:21.000 –> 00:15:23.000
in. It’s almost like leadership devotional style. It’s00:15:23.000 –> 00:15:24.000
like every day is a thought for for00:15:24.000 –> 00:15:25.000
leaders.00:15:25.000 –> 00:15:27.000
And then keep chopping wood. And then I’ve00:15:27.000 –> 00:15:28.000
got a new one that I’m working on,00:15:28.000 –> 00:15:30.000
called into the storm about how to deal00:15:30.000 –> 00:15:31.000
with adversity.00:15:32.000 –> 00:15:33.000
Love it. Love it. So let’s talk about00:15:33.000 –> 00:15:35.000
that. How do we deal with adversity? What’s,00:15:35.000 –> 00:15:37.000
what’s your game plan there? Cause there’s a00:15:37.000 –> 00:15:38.000
lot of it right now.00:15:39.000 –> 00:15:41.000
There is. And so I think00:15:41.000 –> 00:15:44.000
so here, this story, it’s not original story,00:15:44.000 –> 00:15:46.000
but how I’m how I’m framing is is00:15:46.000 –> 00:15:48.000
in in an original way. But I was00:15:48.000 –> 00:15:50.000
at Florida State, a year and a half00:15:50.000 –> 00:15:50.000
ago,00:15:51.000 –> 00:15:53.000
and they were introducing the new CEO00:15:54.000 –> 00:15:56.000
of of seminal boosters. So it’s like their00:15:56.000 –> 00:15:58.000
fundraising arm kind of for for athletics. It’s00:15:58.000 –> 00:15:59.000
its own separate organization.00:16:00.000 –> 00:16:00.000
And00:16:01.000 –> 00:16:03.000
Steven Ponder, the CEO, he told the story00:16:03.000 –> 00:16:04.000
of of,00:16:05.000 –> 00:16:06.000
when storms come over the mountains, like in00:16:06.000 –> 00:16:08.000
the rocky mountains, they come from the west00:16:08.000 –> 00:16:10.000
to the east. And he said, what happens00:16:10.000 –> 00:16:12.000
is cows, they sense storm. They know it’s00:16:12.000 –> 00:16:14.000
coming and fear sets in. They say, we00:16:14.000 –> 00:16:15.000
gotta get to safety. We gotta get out00:16:15.000 –> 00:16:17.000
of here. And so cows turn and run00:16:17.000 –> 00:16:19.000
east, away from the storm. They wanna get00:16:19.000 –> 00:16:22.000
away from it. And cows are dumb and00:16:22.000 –> 00:16:24.000
slow. And so what happens is they get00:16:24.000 –> 00:16:26.000
stuck in the storm. The frustration,00:16:27.000 –> 00:16:29.000
the obstacles, the anxiety, the00:16:29.000 –> 00:16:31.000
fear, their frustration00:16:31.000 –> 00:16:34.000
until eventually the storm runs out. Right? But00:16:34.000 –> 00:16:36.000
they’re just going with the storm until eventually00:16:36.000 –> 00:16:37.000
it passes them because every storm runs out00:16:37.000 –> 00:16:38.000
of00:16:38.000 –> 00:16:40.000
And so, but by the time they the00:16:40.000 –> 00:16:43.000
storm passes, they’ve lost ground. It’s like, wait00:16:43.000 –> 00:16:45.000
a minute. We were already over here. Now00:16:45.000 –> 00:16:47.000
we’ve run away. We’ve gotta do all this00:16:47.000 –> 00:16:49.000
work just to get back to where we00:16:49.000 –> 00:16:50.000
were. We thought we were getting to safety.00:16:50.000 –> 00:16:53.000
We actually made things worse, and we prolonged00:16:53.000 –> 00:16:55.000
our suffering, prolong the frustration,00:16:55.000 –> 00:16:57.000
prolong the adversity,00:16:57.000 –> 00:16:59.000
Meanwhile, Bison,00:16:59.000 –> 00:17:01.000
fun fact, there are no buffalo in North00:17:01.000 –> 00:17:04.000
America. So Colorado needs a new mascot.00:17:04.000 –> 00:17:07.000
But bison in in Colorado and in the00:17:07.000 –> 00:17:09.000
mountains, when the storm comes over, they sense00:17:09.000 –> 00:17:11.000
it as well. And they say, great. Let’s00:17:11.000 –> 00:17:13.000
go through it. So instead of running away00:17:13.000 –> 00:17:15.000
from it, Bison go into the storm. Head00:17:15.000 –> 00:17:18.000
first, step after step, they make progress.00:17:18.000 –> 00:17:21.000
They still experience it because you can’t avoid00:17:21.000 –> 00:17:22.000
the storm. Right? I think most most of00:17:22.000 –> 00:17:23.000
the issues in life is like we keep00:17:23.000 –> 00:17:25.000
trying to avoid adversity, and you can’t. It’s00:17:25.000 –> 00:17:26.000
guaranteed.00:17:27.000 –> 00:17:29.000
And and when when we accept that, we00:17:29.000 –> 00:17:31.000
say, okay. If adversity’s gonna hit, I can’t00:17:31.000 –> 00:17:33.000
choose what it is. I can’t choose, like,00:17:33.000 –> 00:17:35.000
I don’t know if I’m gonna get sick.00:17:35.000 –> 00:17:36.000
I don’t know if I’m gonna lose a00:17:36.000 –> 00:17:38.000
loved one, but I know that adversity is00:17:38.000 –> 00:17:39.000
gonna come at some point. So if I00:17:39.000 –> 00:17:42.000
if I expect it, I can mentally be00:17:42.000 –> 00:17:43.000
prepared for. And I can choose to do00:17:43.000 –> 00:17:45.000
some hard things along the way in life00:17:45.000 –> 00:17:46.000
to actually prepare me for the the the00:17:46.000 –> 00:17:49.000
adversity that shows up. And so they realize,00:17:49.000 –> 00:17:50.000
like, one, we can’t avoid the adversity and00:17:50.000 –> 00:17:53.000
two, only way through it is through it.00:17:53.000 –> 00:17:54.000
And when you just go through it, you00:17:54.000 –> 00:17:56.000
still experience it. Right? There’s still frustration and00:17:56.000 –> 00:17:58.000
anxiety and fear and frustration,00:17:58.000 –> 00:18:00.000
but there’s less of it. Right? The cows00:18:00.000 –> 00:18:01.000
have this prolonged,00:18:02.000 –> 00:18:03.000
frustrating experience in adversity.00:18:04.000 –> 00:18:05.000
The bison just simply get through it because00:18:05.000 –> 00:18:07.000
they go into it, they get through it.00:18:07.000 –> 00:18:08.000
And then on the other side of it,00:18:08.000 –> 00:18:11.000
they’ve made progress. Mhmm. There’d have to be00:18:11.000 –> 00:18:12.000
a lot of progress.00:18:12.000 –> 00:18:14.000
Like, baby steps are still progress, but they00:18:14.000 –> 00:18:16.000
they went through it. And they got better00:18:16.000 –> 00:18:17.000
in the midst of it. And so that’s00:18:17.000 –> 00:18:19.000
the general idea. It’s like adversity is gonna00:18:19.000 –> 00:18:20.000
land on your doorstep at some point, and00:18:20.000 –> 00:18:23.000
at multiple points in your life. Right? And00:18:23.000 –> 00:18:24.000
and there could be there’s levels to it.00:18:24.000 –> 00:18:26.000
It could be very small adversity. It could00:18:26.000 –> 00:18:27.000
be a major live thing.00:18:28.000 –> 00:18:30.000
The we have the choice in that moment.00:18:30.000 –> 00:18:31.000
What do we do with it? We gonna00:18:31.000 –> 00:18:33.000
let fear take over, run away from it,00:18:33.000 –> 00:18:35.000
or we say, no. No. The only way00:18:35.000 –> 00:18:36.000
through this, it’s not gonna be fun. It00:18:36.000 –> 00:18:38.000
could be messy. It’s gonna be difficult. Like,00:18:38.000 –> 00:18:39.000
it’s not it’s not saying there’s an easy00:18:39.000 –> 00:18:42.000
path. But it’s the best path. Yeah. Yeah.00:18:42.000 –> 00:18:43.000
It’s it’s to your point, I was it00:18:43.000 –> 00:18:45.000
is gonna show up. Right? And I think00:18:45.000 –> 00:18:47.000
so many times as we’re growing as leaders.00:18:47.000 –> 00:18:48.000
We we want it just to be the00:18:48.000 –> 00:18:51.000
straight line, but, obviously, success doesn’t work that00:18:51.000 –> 00:18:52.000
way. Right? It’s a really squiggly market, and00:18:52.000 –> 00:18:54.000
hopefully it ends up higher than where we00:18:54.000 –> 00:18:56.000
started. But talk about, I I I can00:18:56.000 –> 00:18:57.000
for me when I was, you know, I00:18:57.000 –> 00:18:59.000
have a defining moments in my life, you00:18:59.000 –> 00:19:01.000
know, like my second year as a financial00:19:01.000 –> 00:19:03.000
advisor, the, you know, these different things that00:19:03.000 –> 00:19:04.000
happen.00:19:04.000 –> 00:19:07.000
What what moment for you was this light00:19:07.000 –> 00:19:09.000
bulb moment? Maybe, like, in tough times, something00:19:09.000 –> 00:19:10.000
you learned00:19:11.000 –> 00:19:12.000
that, man, you’re just like, how did I00:19:12.000 –> 00:19:14.000
not know that before? Any moments like that00:19:14.000 –> 00:19:16.000
for you to stick out?00:19:16.000 –> 00:19:18.000
Yeah. There was so year00:19:20.000 –> 00:19:21.000
probably one, maybe two.00:19:22.000 –> 00:19:24.000
When I was first starting Fieldhouse Media. So00:19:24.000 –> 00:19:26.000
I had started another company. It failed miserably.00:19:26.000 –> 00:19:27.000
It was in the health care world, which00:19:27.000 –> 00:19:29.000
was my previous background.00:19:30.000 –> 00:19:32.000
Like, zero dollars in a year failed like,00:19:32.000 –> 00:19:34.000
so if there’s any any students listening or00:19:34.000 –> 00:19:36.000
people starting business, like, the goal is to00:19:36.000 –> 00:19:38.000
make more than zero dollars. Yes. You’ve got00:19:38.000 –> 00:19:40.000
you’ve got bills to pay. Right? And so00:19:40.000 –> 00:19:41.000
I I was at zero.00:19:41.000 –> 00:19:43.000
Like, it was bad enough. Like, I had00:19:43.000 –> 00:19:45.000
to sell a bicycle to pay a mortgage.00:19:45.000 –> 00:19:46.000
Like, it was it was not good.00:19:47.000 –> 00:19:49.000
And then I had this idea for field00:19:49.000 –> 00:19:50.000
house media. And00:19:51.000 –> 00:19:52.000
and I went to my wife and, like,00:19:52.000 –> 00:19:54.000
you know, clearly I’m great at business.00:19:55.000 –> 00:19:56.000
I think I should start another one. And00:19:56.000 –> 00:19:58.000
for some reason, she was like, let’s go00:19:58.000 –> 00:19:59.000
for it. And and we both felt like00:19:59.000 –> 00:20:01.000
it was the right move But it was00:20:01.000 –> 00:20:03.000
another year of00:20:03.000 –> 00:20:04.000
no’s.00:20:04.000 –> 00:20:06.000
Right? Every day was a no. Every day00:20:06.000 –> 00:20:08.000
was a failure if if that’s the the00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:09.000
definition of success if I’m trying to if00:20:09.000 –> 00:20:10.000
if I’m trying to get a yes, I00:20:10.000 –> 00:20:11.000
just got no’s.00:20:12.000 –> 00:20:14.000
And it was I mean, I was depressed.00:20:14.000 –> 00:20:16.000
I was anxious. I was, like, I’m not00:20:16.000 –> 00:20:18.000
a huge person. Like, I was losing a00:20:18.000 –> 00:20:19.000
ton of weight. I wasn’t sleeping.00:20:20.000 –> 00:20:21.000
It was, like, we found out we were00:20:21.000 –> 00:20:24.000
pregnant with our second son in that season.00:20:24.000 –> 00:20:26.000
And my wife cried when we found out00:20:26.000 –> 00:20:27.000
and not tears of joy. It was like,00:20:27.000 –> 00:20:29.000
how are we gonna do this? Like,00:20:29.000 –> 00:20:31.000
and but there was this we we had00:20:31.000 –> 00:20:34.000
thankfully, you know, some poor mentors around us,00:20:34.000 –> 00:20:36.000
a community around us, people around us,00:20:37.000 –> 00:20:39.000
who believed in us, but also believed in00:20:39.000 –> 00:20:41.000
what we were doing. And so, like, we00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:43.000
we were having a weekly conversation with my00:20:43.000 –> 00:20:45.000
wife, and I was like, hey, is this00:20:45.000 –> 00:20:46.000
still the right path? Do we actually believe00:20:47.000 –> 00:20:49.000
that this is the right path? Is this00:20:49.000 –> 00:20:50.000
suffering worth it?00:20:51.000 –> 00:20:52.000
And so we had to make a choice00:20:52.000 –> 00:20:54.000
pretty much every week. Is this suffering worth00:20:54.000 –> 00:20:55.000
it? And,00:20:56.000 –> 00:20:58.000
what I wish I had known back in,00:20:58.000 –> 00:21:00.000
and it and it certainly it it worked00:21:00.000 –> 00:21:01.000
out. What I wish I had known,00:21:03.000 –> 00:21:04.000
is that even in the midst of choosing00:21:04.000 –> 00:21:07.000
to continue to enter into it, I wish00:21:07.000 –> 00:21:09.000
I would have had a better attitude00:21:09.000 –> 00:21:11.000
when I was, like, when I was actually00:21:11.000 –> 00:21:13.000
in it. Because there was a lot of,00:21:13.000 –> 00:21:14.000
like, we’d have the conversation, like, yeah, I00:21:14.000 –> 00:21:16.000
feel like this is the right thing. Great.00:21:16.000 –> 00:21:17.000
So I’d go back to work the next00:21:17.000 –> 00:21:19.000
day and try to keep building. But my00:21:19.000 –> 00:21:20.000
attitude the whole time was, like, this isn’t00:21:21.000 –> 00:21:22.000
I was I was actually thinking this isn’t00:21:22.000 –> 00:21:23.000
worth it. It’s not gonna work. I just00:21:24.000 –> 00:21:26.000
I’ve I’ve come so negative,00:21:27.000 –> 00:21:29.000
and so beaten down, I just didn’t I00:21:29.000 –> 00:21:30.000
didn’t think it was gonna work even though00:21:30.000 –> 00:21:32.000
I’ve I was trying to convince myself00:21:32.000 –> 00:21:35.000
I wish I would’ve, had a better attitude,00:21:35.000 –> 00:21:36.000
and I wish I would’ve,00:21:36.000 –> 00:21:38.000
we had good community around us, but I00:21:38.000 –> 00:21:40.000
wish I would’ve leaned more into that community.00:21:41.000 –> 00:21:43.000
That’s part of the the new books, like,00:21:43.000 –> 00:21:45.000
the power of your herd. Like, the people00:21:45.000 –> 00:21:46.000
around you dictate your future.00:21:47.000 –> 00:21:49.000
And I had the people around me,00:21:49.000 –> 00:21:52.000
in my future, worked out okay, probably accidentally,00:21:52.000 –> 00:21:54.000
which is just not how you want it00:21:54.000 –> 00:21:55.000
to work out.00:21:55.000 –> 00:21:57.000
It could have been better faster if I00:21:57.000 –> 00:21:58.000
had actually leaned into the power of the00:21:58.000 –> 00:22:01.000
people around me, because they were they wanted00:22:01.000 –> 00:22:03.000
to pour in. They wanted to do whatever.00:22:03.000 –> 00:22:05.000
And I was prideful in the midst of00:22:05.000 –> 00:22:07.000
it saying, you know, I can I can00:22:07.000 –> 00:22:08.000
do this on my own? And I and00:22:08.000 –> 00:22:10.000
I didn’t because you never do it alone,00:22:10.000 –> 00:22:12.000
but I wish I’d I wish I understood00:22:12.000 –> 00:22:14.000
the power of the herd earlier on. Yep.00:22:14.000 –> 00:22:17.000
It is so powerful, so powerful. And so00:22:17.000 –> 00:22:19.000
thinking about that, I00:22:20.000 –> 00:22:22.000
I read this quote recently that really hit00:22:22.000 –> 00:22:24.000
me, and it was it said, you know,00:22:24.000 –> 00:22:26.000
make decisions based on your knowledge,00:22:26.000 –> 00:22:28.000
not on your emotion.00:22:28.000 –> 00:22:30.000
Right? Yep. So it’s easy to say I00:22:30.000 –> 00:22:32.000
wanna go to the gym and base it00:22:32.000 –> 00:22:33.000
on knowledge, but there’s days you don’t wanna00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:35.000
do it. Right? So what have you found00:22:35.000 –> 00:22:37.000
yourself Gilliland, you know, these other leaders and00:22:37.000 –> 00:22:40.000
these coaches and athletic directors and all the00:22:40.000 –> 00:22:41.000
people you’re around,00:22:41.000 –> 00:22:42.000
what do you find00:22:42.000 –> 00:22:45.000
is is that thing, right, that gets them00:22:45.000 –> 00:22:47.000
going to the, quote, unquote, gym, what it00:22:47.000 –> 00:22:49.000
may be. What is that thing that helps00:22:49.000 –> 00:22:52.000
them base their decision on knowledge?00:22:53.000 –> 00:22:54.000
Yeah. I think for me,00:22:55.000 –> 00:22:56.000
it’s honoring your commitments.00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:59.000
Meaning if I committed to doing it yesterday,00:23:00.000 –> 00:23:01.000
it doesn’t matter how I feel today.00:23:02.000 –> 00:23:04.000
So I I’ve lately, I’ve been phrasing it00:23:04.000 –> 00:23:05.000
kind of that way. It’s like, I wanna00:23:05.000 –> 00:23:07.000
honor yesterday’s commit not today’s feelings.00:23:08.000 –> 00:23:10.000
Because I it’s your point. I’m not gonna00:23:10.000 –> 00:23:11.000
feel like it all the time, and nobody00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:13.000
does. And I and I think that’s the00:23:13.000 –> 00:23:15.000
biggest thing is is when I when I00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:17.000
talk to young people today, whether that’s college00:23:17.000 –> 00:23:19.000
students or or young professionals,00:23:20.000 –> 00:23:21.000
a lot of it is how they feel.00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:24.000
I’m like Yep. I’m not trying to be00:23:24.000 –> 00:23:26.000
dismissive, but I just don’t really care. How00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:28.000
you feel like we all have days. We00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:29.000
don’t feel like it. This is part of00:23:29.000 –> 00:23:31.000
life doesn’t mean you have a bad boss,00:23:31.000 –> 00:23:32.000
doesn’t mean you have a bad team, doesn’t00:23:32.000 –> 00:23:34.000
mean you’re in the wrong job. It just00:23:34.000 –> 00:23:36.000
means that life is hard some days, and00:23:36.000 –> 00:23:38.000
we don’t always feel like it. And and00:23:38.000 –> 00:23:40.000
who you actually are, is determined by how00:23:40.000 –> 00:23:42.000
you show up when you don’t feel like00:23:42.000 –> 00:23:43.000
it. Because if if we all just showed00:23:43.000 –> 00:23:44.000
up when we when we felt like it,00:23:44.000 –> 00:23:46.000
we would make zero progress.00:23:46.000 –> 00:23:48.000
Right. And but if I can, you know,00:23:48.000 –> 00:23:51.000
I’ve I’ve been really consistent, and I’m not00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:52.000
a disciplined person,00:23:52.000 –> 00:23:54.000
but I’ve trained myself to be disciplined. Right?00:23:54.000 –> 00:23:56.000
It’s not a personality trait. It’s it’s a00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:58.000
Gilliland00:23:58.000 –> 00:24:00.000
so I’ve I found that when I when00:24:00.000 –> 00:24:00.000
I00:24:01.000 –> 00:24:02.000
live my live my commitments,00:24:04.000 –> 00:24:05.000
the the more I choose it the easier00:24:05.000 –> 00:24:06.000
it gets.00:24:07.000 –> 00:24:07.000
Meaning,00:24:08.000 –> 00:24:09.000
so I’ve I’ve worked out,00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:12.000
every day now for over three hundred and00:24:12.000 –> 00:24:13.000
sixty five days.00:24:14.000 –> 00:24:15.000
And and I just do it at my00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:18.000
house. Like Yep. I’m I’m big on eliminating00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:20.000
as many barriers as possible. It’s like, man,00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:21.000
I don’t wanna wake up and get on00:24:21.000 –> 00:24:22.000
gym clothes and drive to the gym and00:24:22.000 –> 00:24:24.000
deal that and drive home. Okay. Can you00:24:24.000 –> 00:24:26.000
do something in your house?00:24:26.000 –> 00:24:27.000
You know, what can you do it? Like,00:24:27.000 –> 00:24:29.000
go start simple, then you can then you00:24:29.000 –> 00:24:30.000
can add to it if you want to.00:24:31.000 –> 00:24:34.000
Yeah. But early on, it was not fun00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000
always. I didn’t always look forward to it.00:24:36.000 –> 00:24:37.000
Some days, I wake up, and I’m sore00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:40.000
from the previous day. Or I’ve traveled or00:24:40.000 –> 00:24:42.000
there’s all sorts of excuses I can make.00:24:42.000 –> 00:24:43.000
Well, I’ll just take the day off. And00:24:43.000 –> 00:24:45.000
rest is great. Like, it’s okay to take00:24:45.000 –> 00:24:45.000
days off.00:24:46.000 –> 00:24:47.000
But00:24:47.000 –> 00:24:48.000
I just had to say no. No. I00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:50.000
yesterday, I said I was gonna do it00:24:50.000 –> 00:24:51.000
today. So I’m gonna I’m gonna honor that00:24:51.000 –> 00:24:52.000
commitment. And the more I choose it, the00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:54.000
less I have to choose it. Right? The00:24:54.000 –> 00:24:56.000
more I choose it, the more it starts00:24:56.000 –> 00:24:58.000
to become automatic. And so now I don’t00:24:58.000 –> 00:25:00.000
wake up and negotiate with myself. It’s like,00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:02.000
alright. And I walk walk to the room00:25:02.000 –> 00:25:03.000
where I get my workin’ in. It’s like,00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:05.000
it’s just just what I do. And so00:25:05.000 –> 00:25:06.000
I think00:25:06.000 –> 00:25:08.000
for leaders, it’s it’s one, it’s choosing to00:25:08.000 –> 00:25:09.000
live your commitments.00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:12.000
But two, also having a reason for why00:25:12.000 –> 00:25:14.000
you’re doing it. Like, I’m not I’m not00:25:14.000 –> 00:25:15.000
working out to be a body builder.00:25:16.000 –> 00:25:17.000
To climb mount everest, to run a like,00:25:17.000 –> 00:25:19.000
I’m working out to be healthy as a00:25:19.000 –> 00:25:21.000
leader, as an entrepreneur,00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000
as a dad, as a husband, Like, there’s00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:25.000
a there’s a why that makes me want00:25:25.000 –> 00:25:26.000
to get up every morning and do those00:25:26.000 –> 00:25:28.000
things. And I don’t always remember that why.00:25:29.000 –> 00:25:30.000
And and somebody said, and I do the00:25:30.000 –> 00:25:32.000
same thing. And faith is a big deal00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:33.000
for me. Youversion is an app that I00:25:33.000 –> 00:25:34.000
use.00:25:35.000 –> 00:25:37.000
I’ve been in it every day00:25:38.000 –> 00:25:40.000
for one thousand three hundred and seventy four00:25:40.000 –> 00:25:42.000
straight days. And so we’d like to start00:25:42.000 –> 00:25:44.000
just going through the motions some days. Yep.00:25:44.000 –> 00:25:45.000
Just a Bible app.00:25:46.000 –> 00:25:47.000
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they’ve got these little,00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:48.000
you know, short short devotionals.00:25:49.000 –> 00:25:51.000
But people are like, why don’t you just00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:53.000
go through the motions some days? Yep. But00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:54.000
I’d rather go through the motions the on00:25:54.000 –> 00:25:56.000
doing the right things than do nothing. You00:25:56.000 –> 00:25:57.000
know? So I’m okay with just going through00:25:57.000 –> 00:25:59.000
the motions someday. That that’s okay.00:26:00.000 –> 00:26:01.000
But I’ve just found the more00:26:02.000 –> 00:26:04.000
I think the two things I’ll I’ll try00:26:04.000 –> 00:26:06.000
to create is confidence and momentum.00:26:07.000 –> 00:26:09.000
Meaning, if I do it today,00:26:09.000 –> 00:26:11.000
that fear is gonna kick in tomorrow. You00:26:11.000 –> 00:26:12.000
can’t do this today. You can’t work out00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:14.000
today. You’re tired. You travel me. No. No.00:26:14.000 –> 00:26:16.000
I did it yesterday. I actually know that00:26:16.000 –> 00:26:17.000
I can do it. I have proof that00:26:17.000 –> 00:26:18.000
I can do it. I have confidence because00:26:18.000 –> 00:26:20.000
I did it yesterday. Which allows me to00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:22.000
do it today. Once you get to stack00:26:22.000 –> 00:26:23.000
two or three, four, five days in a00:26:23.000 –> 00:26:25.000
row, I know you have confidence. Now you00:26:25.000 –> 00:26:27.000
also have momentum. And those things can carry00:26:27.000 –> 00:26:29.000
you through to some powerful places. Yep. So00:26:29.000 –> 00:26:31.000
what kind of exercises are you doing these00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:32.000
days?00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:33.000
So I’ve shifted.00:26:34.000 –> 00:26:36.000
So for most of the last year, it00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:38.000
was some variation. Like, I’d just get up00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:39.000
and I would do, like,00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:42.000
push ups. I’d do curls. I’d do some00:26:42.000 –> 00:26:45.000
tricep stuff. I’d do some some, crunches, some00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:47.000
ab work. Just very basic.00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:50.000
The last fifty days I think I’m actually00:26:50.000 –> 00:26:52.000
fifty days in. Let me check my phone00:26:52.000 –> 00:26:53.000
to make sure this I’m not lying to00:26:53.000 –> 00:26:55.000
you. But I I00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:57.000
signed up for an app called,00:26:58.000 –> 00:26:59.000
ladder.00:27:00.000 –> 00:27:01.000
Fifty00:27:01.000 –> 00:27:04.000
one days. Sorry. Fifty fifty one days.00:27:05.000 –> 00:27:05.000
And00:27:06.000 –> 00:27:08.000
so you go in, and I I wanna00:27:08.000 –> 00:27:10.000
say it’s twenty, maybe thirty bucks a month.00:27:10.000 –> 00:27:11.000
I hate going to the gym. Like, I00:27:11.000 –> 00:27:13.000
love working out. I hate going to the00:27:13.000 –> 00:27:16.000
gym. It’s just not alright. I hate the00:27:16.000 –> 00:27:17.000
process. I actually like being at the gym,00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:19.000
but the whole process of it is just00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:19.000
not convenient.00:27:20.000 –> 00:27:23.000
For for my life. And so ladder, you00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:24.000
go in and you say, what kind of00:27:24.000 –> 00:27:26.000
workouts do you like to do, or what00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:27.000
type of equipment do you like to use00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000
Where do you like to work out? How00:27:29.000 –> 00:27:31.000
long do you like to work out? What00:27:31.000 –> 00:27:31.000
are your goals?00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:34.000
And it assigns you a coach or it’s00:27:34.000 –> 00:27:36.000
a here here’s two or three coaches who00:27:36.000 –> 00:27:37.000
could who could work for you. And you00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:39.000
look at their program and you sign up00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000
and they drop in every Sunday night, they00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:43.000
drop in seven workouts. So a workout for00:27:43.000 –> 00:27:45.000
every day of the week. So I am00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:47.000
really big right now on kettlebells.00:27:48.000 –> 00:27:50.000
And so forty five usually it’s about forty00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:52.000
to forty five minutes, each morning.00:27:52.000 –> 00:27:54.000
And I just go in and they’ve got00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:55.000
the plan right there. Like, I don’t have00:27:55.000 –> 00:27:57.000
to leave my house. I’ve I bought, you00:27:57.000 –> 00:27:58.000
know, have her mini kettle bells.00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000
My wife’s, like, we we got more. I’m00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
like, sorry. I got stronger. I have to00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000
I have to get some more. How can00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:04.000
I keep upgrading?00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:07.000
It’s like, I have, like, every few weeks,00:28:07.000 –> 00:28:09.000
like, a that another cap? Yeah. It is.00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:10.000
It is.00:28:10.000 –> 00:28:12.000
But it’s but I love it. It’s, like,00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:12.000
it’s really challenging.00:28:13.000 –> 00:28:14.000
It’s00:28:15.000 –> 00:28:18.000
notice a difference in my energy and confidence.00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:20.000
So I I love it. It’s a it’s00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000
a essentially a coaching platform that keeps you00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
again, and I love tracking things.00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:26.000
I’ve learned that keeps me accountable. So there’s00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:28.000
a tracker, like, your workouts and all this00:28:28.000 –> 00:28:29.000
stuff.00:28:29.000 –> 00:28:31.000
But it’s great. Just that and I can00:28:31.000 –> 00:28:33.000
do I can add a speaking engagement in00:28:33.000 –> 00:28:34.000
Dallas a few weeks I load it up,00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:36.000
and it’s three hour drive. So I just00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
drove, took a kettlebell with me in the00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:39.000
hotel room. You know, I can I can00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:41.000
do it? And so that’s why I like00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:43.000
to create systems and things that I can00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:45.000
do at home or on the road. Yep.00:28:45.000 –> 00:28:47.000
Love it. Yeah. It’s it’s nice to have00:28:47.000 –> 00:28:49.000
the apps, and it because for me, I00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:50.000
don’t know what to do when I get00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:51.000
into the gym. You know, it’s like, okay.00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000
Let’s work on this thing. I’m like, well,00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000
I don’t know what all that actually does.00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
So firm myself than just not doing it.00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
But so I used the Peloton app, and00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:01.000
then they’re, you know, rower and tread and00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:03.000
all that stuff, the bike. And then, and00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
then an app called Better Me I just00:29:05.000 –> 00:29:07.000
found. It’s, same kind of thing. They ask00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:08.000
you a lot of goals. I’ve seen that.00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:10.000
Yeah. Yeah. It was one of those that00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:12.000
shows up on my Instagram feed nonstop, and00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:14.000
they don’t finally, I’ll tap out and buy00:29:14.000 –> 00:29:15.000
it for That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. It00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:17.000
was a hundred dollars. That’s exactly a letter.00:29:17.000 –> 00:29:19.000
I said no. And the next thing you00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:20.000
know, then like fifty dollars. And then it00:29:20.000 –> 00:29:23.000
was twelve dollars for, you know, twelve weeks00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
or whatever. I’m like, alright, whatever. Just a00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:26.000
buy for twelve bucks just to not see00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:29.000
the damn feature. One. Yeah. That’s right. Exactly00:29:29.000 –> 00:29:30.000
right. That was exactly the same thing with00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
ladder. Like, fine. Yeah.00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:34.000
I’ll I’ll give in. I did that with00:29:34.000 –> 00:29:35.000
ladder. I did it with athletic greens. It’s00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:38.000
like trying to be healthier wasting food stuff00:29:38.000 –> 00:29:38.000
and,00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.000
with the diet part as well. And it’s00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:42.000
just, yeah, I’m social media man. Get this00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:43.000
every time.00:29:43.000 –> 00:29:45.000
Well, athletic greens is showing up all the00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:46.000
time too. Do you like it?00:29:47.000 –> 00:29:49.000
So here’s my take on athletic greens.00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:51.000
One, it’s good.00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:54.000
I will just say, for the sake of00:29:54.000 –> 00:29:56.000
people listening, it just destroyed my stomach00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
Okay. I mean, like, I felt like I00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000
was under threat all the all day every00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:02.000
day that anything could go wrong at at00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:03.000
any given point. Yeah.00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:06.000
And which part that’s of it, like, it’s00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:07.000
a part of it as a probiotic. And00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:09.000
so it’s it’s messing with you a little00:30:09.000 –> 00:30:09.000
bit.00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:13.000
I went to the head nutritionist at o00:30:13.000 –> 00:30:15.000
u. Said, hey, I’m taking this. Do you00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:17.000
is is it good? Do you recommend anything00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:17.000
else?00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:20.000
She directed me to something called Heart Greens00:30:20.000 –> 00:30:22.000
by a company called Human, h u m00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:23.000
a n n.00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000
And it’s, like, a third of the price00:30:26.000 –> 00:30:28.000
about that at greens. Yeah. And it’s great.00:30:28.000 –> 00:30:29.000
And I’ve had had no issues.00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:32.000
Yeah, heart greens by human.00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:34.000
Okay. I’ll write that one down. I gotta00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:36.000
punch that. Yeah. I do green juice from00:30:36.000 –> 00:30:38.000
our local grocery store every day. So we’ll00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:40.000
get the kale and parsley and all that00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:41.000
stuff. So it’s good for you.00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:43.000
Yeah. So how do you stay a student00:30:43.000 –> 00:30:45.000
of the game? And, obviously, you know, people00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:46.000
are coming to you for advice. So you00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:48.000
gotta keep learning and keep training and keep00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:50.000
your mind So how do you personally stay00:30:50.000 –> 00:30:52.000
a student in the game?00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:54.000
Try to read and observe as much as00:30:54.000 –> 00:30:57.000
possible. Like, I’m I’ve had to train myself00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:59.000
because I used to wonder probably 10:15 years00:30:59.000 –> 00:31:01.000
ago, and I’d follow other speakers00:31:01.000 –> 00:31:04.000
or experts or authorities on whatever topic. Like,00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:05.000
where did they come up with these stories?00:31:05.000 –> 00:31:07.000
Like, what in the and I just realized00:31:07.000 –> 00:31:09.000
they’re just paying attention to life. They just00:31:09.000 –> 00:31:11.000
choose to be observant about whether it’s their00:31:11.000 –> 00:31:14.000
kid’s basketball game or a road trip,00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
or something with their friends or at the00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:19.000
grocery store. They’re observing human behavior.00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:21.000
And so I’ve it’s it it was a00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:23.000
a challenge to me because my my mind00:31:23.000 –> 00:31:25.000
is usually always in the clouds. Like, it’s00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:27.000
it’s I’m always thinking of different things, and00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:29.000
I’m not I’m usually I struggle to be00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:30.000
wherever I am, right, to be present.00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:33.000
And so I’ve tried to train myself to00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:33.000
just be aware00:31:34.000 –> 00:31:36.000
of what’s happening in the day to day00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:38.000
moments, which is doing that daily newsletter has00:31:38.000 –> 00:31:39.000
been a really good.00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:42.000
It’s forced me to be aware because I’ve00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000
gotta have a story every day from from00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:46.000
somewhere, you know. Yep. So I think just00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:48.000
observing people, trying to be present,00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
trying to ask a lot of questions of00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:52.000
people. And I think I try to follow,00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
say the right people, but interesting people on00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:57.000
social media. So, yeah, I’ve got my sports00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000
feed, but I also wanna follow leaders from00:31:59.000 –> 00:32:01.000
a variety of areas00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:03.000
because that that’s the beauty of me for00:32:03.000 –> 00:32:04.000
social media. It’s like, I can learn from00:32:04.000 –> 00:32:06.000
some of the best leaders on the planet00:32:06.000 –> 00:32:08.000
because they’re sharing their stories, their wisdom for00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
free. You know, you’re getting a master class00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:12.000
from these people. I think trying to trying00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:13.000
to follow business leaders,00:32:14.000 –> 00:32:16.000
certain industry leaders on social media, not honestly,00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
read the right books, but but read books00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:19.000
that are,00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:22.000
that that provide unique perspective.00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:25.000
Yeah. Who any go to leaders you’d recommend00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:27.000
following and put out some good content?00:32:27.000 –> 00:32:29.000
Oh gosh. I knew you were gonna ask00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:29.000
that.00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:33.000
I think besides you, of course. Yeah.00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:36.000
I think Mark Cuban is a fascinating follow.00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:38.000
On We think we think his deal. What’s00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:40.000
his next play? So if I’m I’m getting00:32:40.000 –> 00:32:42.000
off Shark Tank. I’m selling part of the00:32:42.000 –> 00:32:44.000
was it fifty seven percent of the Mavericks.00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:47.000
What’s the next play?00:32:47.000 –> 00:32:49.000
And I I saw where he told someone00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:52.000
he’s not gonna run for political office,00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:54.000
but I bet he runs for political office.00:32:54.000 –> 00:32:56.000
Yeah. That’s I’ve said that too. Or or00:32:56.000 –> 00:32:59.000
something something in that realm because it just00:32:59.000 –> 00:33:00.000
doesn’t make sense. I mean,00:33:01.000 –> 00:33:03.000
you know, guys like that could always start00:33:03.000 –> 00:33:05.000
any kind of, you know, they could start00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:06.000
a business tomorrow, do whatever they want. But00:33:06.000 –> 00:33:08.000
he’s because he’s got that,00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:10.000
some kind of health care prescription thing that00:33:10.000 –> 00:33:12.000
he’s doing as well, trying to create low00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:14.000
cost prescriptions for people.00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000
But I would I would guess that that00:33:16.000 –> 00:33:19.000
he’s he’s gonna run for something or get00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:22.000
involved and in politics in in some way,00:33:22.000 –> 00:33:23.000
shape, or form. Yeah.00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:27.000
Yeah. He’s always an interesting one. I love00:33:27.000 –> 00:33:28.000
following tech entrepreneurs.00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:31.000
Like, I named David Sachs that I that00:33:31.000 –> 00:33:32.000
I enjoy following.00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:37.000
I love I love following journalists. Like, the00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:40.000
media is just a fascinating industry. For me.00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000
I shouldn’t say journalists. I should say media00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:45.000
personalities, like people who comment on the media.00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:47.000
Maybe they’re a part of it, but they’re00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:49.000
not just writing journalism pieces, but they like00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:50.000
to comment on the state of of the00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:51.000
media.00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
I think the world’s just it’s an interesting00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:54.000
place, you know.00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:57.000
There’s there’s a lot. And I and I00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:59.000
try to follow people I don’t agree with.00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000
And just to get to always have a00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
different perspective. I think part of social media00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
is they can easily be an echo chamber00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
of, people reinforcing what you already00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
think. As long as people are respectful,00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
I always wanna follow-up with people who have00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:14.000
a different opinion, different perspective, come at it00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:15.000
from a different side.00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:17.000
Now if they’re gonna, you know, scream and00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
yell call people names, like, well, that’s not00:34:18.000 –> 00:34:20.000
necessary. But I like to I like to00:34:20.000 –> 00:34:22.000
follow people that I don’t necessarily agree with00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:24.000
as well. You know, get a little get00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:25.000
a counter intuitive,00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000
stuff here that we’re we’re one of the00:34:27.000 –> 00:34:29.000
questions I was gonna ask you is what00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:32.000
is something that’s counter intuitive to anybody else00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.000
would believe, but you know that it works,00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:36.000
and you and you believe it to your00:34:36.000 –> 00:34:37.000
core. Is there anything that comes to mind00:34:37.000 –> 00:34:38.000
for you?00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:43.000
That was a great question. How do I00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:45.000
actually wanna answer that?00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
This shouldn’t be an answer to that question,00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:53.000
but I think in twenty twenty three, twenty00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:54.000
twenty four, it is, is00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:56.000
that00:34:57.000 –> 00:34:58.000
hard work will get you most of what00:34:58.000 –> 00:34:59.000
you want.00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:00.000
I’ve00:35:00.000 –> 00:35:02.000
I think in today’s world, we just think00:35:02.000 –> 00:35:03.000
things are gonna be handed to us and00:35:03.000 –> 00:35:05.000
that we can do average work.00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000
And I give average effort and expect great00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:11.000
things. And I think if if you want00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
more, you actually have to do more. And00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:13.000
that’s not00:35:14.000 –> 00:35:16.000
you know, I’m not saying to buy into00:35:16.000 –> 00:35:17.000
the hustle culture. I’m not saying you gotta00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
do seventy, eighty hours a week. That’s, you00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:21.000
know, that’s a great great way to to00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:23.000
live a life of burnout. But, you know,00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000
if you if you think of, you know,00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000
my fourteen year old00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:27.000
freshman basketball team,00:35:28.000 –> 00:35:30.000
like, hey, if if you wanna get better,00:35:30.000 –> 00:35:32.000
you have to practice when other people don’t.00:35:33.000 –> 00:35:35.000
You practice every day when the team practices.00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:37.000
That means you’re getting better at the same00:35:37.000 –> 00:35:39.000
rate, generally speaking, the same rate of improvement00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:41.000
as everybody else on the team. Well, if00:35:41.000 –> 00:35:43.000
this guy is better than you and you’re00:35:43.000 –> 00:35:45.000
practicing the same amount, he’s always gonna be00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:46.000
better than you. But what if you came00:35:46.000 –> 00:35:49.000
home and got in fifteen minutes? Fifteen minutes00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:49.000
a day.00:35:50.000 –> 00:35:52.000
Yep. That’s ninety one hours a year. How00:35:53.000 –> 00:35:54.000
what what kind of difference would that make00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
in your skill set? And so the same00:35:56.000 –> 00:35:57.000
thing for a leader, same thing for an00:35:57.000 –> 00:35:59.000
entrepreneur, same thing for whatever it may be,00:35:59.000 –> 00:36:01.000
like, you actually have to do more. I00:36:01.000 –> 00:36:01.000
think we’ve00:36:02.000 –> 00:36:05.000
be because that kind of mindset was abused00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:07.000
for for most of time, like, to to00:36:07.000 –> 00:36:08.000
to burn people out and force people to00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:10.000
work forty, fifty, sixty, eighty hour weeks, whatever.00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:13.000
People push back the pendulum went all the00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:15.000
way over here. They’re like, no. No. You00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:16.000
just work thirty hours a week. It’ll be00:36:16.000 –> 00:36:18.000
okay. Just hope for Like, no, I hope00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:19.000
it’s a it’s a great fuel, but a00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:21.000
terrible strategy. You actually have to work your00:36:21.000 –> 00:36:23.000
tail off. If you if you wanna get00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:25.000
things, you’ve gotta be willing to sacrifice00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:28.000
And I think at some times, some seasons,00:36:28.000 –> 00:36:30.000
that means you’re actually out of balance.00:36:31.000 –> 00:36:33.000
You don’t want a life that’s out So00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:34.000
I think for a season, if you wanna00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:36.000
get to certain areas, you’ve gotta say, you’ve00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000
gotta shut out not everything, but almost everything,00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000
say, I’m going all in after this thing.00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:41.000
And people are gonna say, you’re crazy. And00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
then a year later, say, well, Maybe I00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:45.000
was, but look what I accomplished because of00:36:45.000 –> 00:36:45.000
that.00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:47.000
Yeah. I agree, man. It does it goes00:36:47.000 –> 00:36:49.000
in waves, doesn’t it? It just it’s sometimes00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:51.000
you’re gonna be working family life more, sometimes00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:54.000
you’re working at working. So but it’s gotta00:36:54.000 –> 00:36:56.000
be somewhat balanced if if there is such00:36:56.000 –> 00:36:56.000
a thing.00:36:57.000 –> 00:36:59.000
If if I were to ask your team00:36:59.000 –> 00:36:59.000
right now,00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
you know, people that work for you. What00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:03.000
what would they say00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
you do well that helps build culture for00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:07.000
your company?00:37:08.000 –> 00:37:09.000
I think energy.00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:13.000
I I think by nature, I’ve just always00:37:13.000 –> 00:37:13.000
been,00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:16.000
I don’t know, but by nature. Like, I’ve00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
just always been a positive energy person. I’m00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
an optimist. I tend to believe things are00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:21.000
gonna work out.00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:23.000
I’m not super serious.00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:25.000
It’s interesting because I’ve I’ve00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000
just kinda go a different direction. But,00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:29.000
you know, when I when I was in00:37:29.000 –> 00:37:31.000
the corporate world, I was a goofy guy.00:37:31.000 –> 00:37:33.000
We’d close a deal, and I’d run-in, like,00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:35.000
fist pumping and yelling and just being goofy.00:37:35.000 –> 00:37:37.000
Like, I just never took things super super00:37:37.000 –> 00:37:38.000
serious,00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:40.000
and we were unbelievably successful. Like, I was00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:42.000
number two in the company in sales, like,00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000
and I wasn’t your typical,00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:47.000
you know, buttoned up, super serious business minded00:37:47.000 –> 00:37:49.000
salesperson. I just had fun and loved people.00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
When I started in business, I don’t know00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:54.000
if anybody said it to me or if00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:56.000
I assumed they said it to me or00:37:56.000 –> 00:37:57.000
if I just took on this belief,00:37:58.000 –> 00:38:00.000
because people always say, man, you know, Kevin,00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000
he’s just not super serious, and he’s not00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:03.000
that organized, and he’s not that into the00:38:03.000 –> 00:38:04.000
details.00:38:04.000 –> 00:38:07.000
And I I wore that as people don’t00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000
think I can be successful. Don’t think I00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000
can do this on my own. They don’t00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:11.000
think I can build a business. And so00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:14.000
I shut down kind of the goofy part00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:15.000
of me for a long time.00:38:16.000 –> 00:38:18.000
And that it’s called the quote unquote, unserious00:38:18.000 –> 00:38:19.000
part of me to the point that people00:38:20.000 –> 00:38:21.000
we do a lot with personality in our00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:23.000
businesses. People are like, oh, I don’t actually00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
think you are this personality. I’m like, no.00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
No. No. I just want. I’ve been under00:38:25.000 –> 00:38:27.000
stress for a decade trying to build. And00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:30.000
then, two, I’ve just recently realized I believed00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:31.000
to lie or whatever,00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:33.000
a limiting belief that I had to be00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:35.000
this way to be successful.00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:36.000
And so I’ve just kinda been coming out00:38:36.000 –> 00:38:39.000
of that shell again the last year or00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:39.000
two.00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:41.000
I’m like, no. No. No. Like, I love00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:43.000
to have fun. Like, you can have fun.00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:44.000
You don’t have to be00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:47.000
serious and and all these things to be00:38:47.000 –> 00:38:49.000
successful. Like, you can you can have big00:38:49.000 –> 00:38:51.000
dreams, and you can be goofy, and you00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
can make people laugh, and00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:55.000
You can inject comedy in certain situations, and00:38:55.000 –> 00:38:56.000
maybe it’s not you don’t always need to00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000
inject. Like, there’s a time to be serious,00:38:58.000 –> 00:38:58.000
but,00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:01.000
I think people just say, like, generally, I00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:02.000
bring I bring fun.00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:04.000
Yeah. So that was one of my biggest00:39:04.000 –> 00:39:06.000
learnings when I looked back at my career,00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:08.000
you know, twenty two years in the wealth00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:10.000
management space. And so00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:13.000
when I was this young the young Brett00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:14.000
would go take some of the older guys00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:16.000
with him to meetings to try to learn.00:39:16.000 –> 00:39:17.000
Right? And then I would just I thought00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
I had to live in this just like00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:21.000
what you were just saying. And and as00:39:21.000 –> 00:39:23.000
soon as I found out or I guess00:39:23.000 –> 00:39:24.000
I shouldn’t say found out. As soon as00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
I believed that I could be Brett and00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:28.000
to your point, have fun and and laugh00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:29.000
a lot at work. It hadn’t been that’d00:39:29.000 –> 00:39:30.000
be so damn serious.00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:32.000
It’s an amazing. That’s when I started to00:39:32.000 –> 00:39:34.000
find myself becoming more and more successful.00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:37.000
Yeah. You well, you you find yourself being00:39:37.000 –> 00:39:39.000
more successful Gilliland then you actually have fun00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:41.000
being successful. Right?00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:42.000
Wait a hell of a lot more. Like,00:39:42.000 –> 00:39:43.000
because you can have six you can have00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:45.000
success the other way or or a limited00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000
version of success, but you’re miserable all the00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:48.000
time because you’re always feel like you’re trying00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:49.000
to be someone you’re not. I was like,00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:50.000
wait a minute. No. I can be me.00:39:50.000 –> 00:39:52.000
And succeed. I don’t need to beat the00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:53.000
and I, you know, again, we talk a00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
lot about personality. Like, we’ve got kind of00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000
a right hand and left hand. I’m typically00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:59.000
this part, you know, goofy, loud, fun, whatever.00:40:00.000 –> 00:40:01.000
But there’s a part of me that can00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:03.000
be serious that can be locked in that00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:05.000
can be quote unquote professional, whatever that means.00:40:05.000 –> 00:40:07.000
But for me to live there means I00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:10.000
lose who I act actually am. And so00:40:10.000 –> 00:40:12.000
trying to find that balance of, like, okay.00:40:12.000 –> 00:40:13.000
When can I be me and when do00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:15.000
I not need to be me? And how00:40:15.000 –> 00:40:16.000
do I make that operate so that that00:40:16.000 –> 00:40:20.000
everyone around me actually wins. Yep. Yep. So00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:21.000
you can see this sticker right here, this00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:23.000
f greater than p. I do. Yeah. Yeah.00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:26.000
Our our mission is helping people achieve a00:40:26.000 –> 00:40:28.000
future great in your past. And so it00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:30.000
doesn’t mean that, you know, you had a00:40:30.000 –> 00:40:31.000
bad past.00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
But when you hear that, achieving a future00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000
greater than your past, what comes to mind00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:36.000
for you?00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:39.000
Oh, man. Well, I love it because I00:40:39.000 –> 00:40:41.000
was actually wondering, like, I haven’t seen that00:40:41.000 –> 00:40:43.000
on any of email, like, the soft company.00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
I’m like, okay.00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:47.000
Some so I am glad you brought that00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:48.000
up because that’s good because that’s actually bothered00:40:48.000 –> 00:40:49.000
me for a long time.00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:52.000
No. That’s that’s good. Future greater than your00:40:52.000 –> 00:40:53.000
past.00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:56.000
I think for me that speaks hope to00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:57.000
Gilliland00:40:57.000 –> 00:40:59.000
I said earlier, right, hope is is is00:40:59.000 –> 00:41:01.000
not a strategy, but it is great fuel.00:41:02.000 –> 00:41:04.000
And I think if people are fueled by00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:06.000
hope that it like you said, Does today00:41:06.000 –> 00:41:08.000
could be good, but tomorrow could be even00:41:08.000 –> 00:41:10.000
better. Mhmm. Doesn’t mean you have to have00:41:10.000 –> 00:41:11.000
a terrible pass that you’re going through some00:41:11.000 –> 00:41:14.000
stuff today, like, maybe you are. It certainly00:41:14.000 –> 00:41:15.000
helps in those seasons. Right? If if things00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:17.000
are difficult, like, hey, things can be better00:41:17.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow. Whatever today is, things can be better00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow.00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:22.000
But I think whatever season are in good00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:23.000
season, tough season,00:41:24.000 –> 00:41:27.000
seasons of, of abundance seasons where things are00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:29.000
a little bit scarce. It’s like, hey, whatever00:41:29.000 –> 00:41:30.000
season00:41:30.000 –> 00:41:32.000
your future can is actually unlimited if you00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:35.000
wanna create it. And and not in, you00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:36.000
know, necessarily materialistic00:41:36.000 –> 00:41:38.000
type sense, but, like, you can have a00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:40.000
better tomorrow if you actually want to. And00:41:40.000 –> 00:41:41.000
I think most people,00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
I think most people have lost that. I00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:47.000
don’t think people believe generally speaking anymore.00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000
They don’t believe that tomorrow can be better00:41:49.000 –> 00:41:51.000
than today. I think people are stuck, and00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000
they feel like they’re always going to be00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:55.000
stuck. Yeah. And they just get on this00:41:55.000 –> 00:41:57.000
hamster wheel frustration and say, I don’t know.00:41:57.000 –> 00:42:00.000
When you actually have so we have this00:42:00.000 –> 00:42:01.000
to was this tool we use. We didn’t00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
create it, but it’s called the the the00:42:03.000 –> 00:42:03.000
change equation.00:42:04.000 –> 00:42:05.000
And part of it is saying,00:42:06.000 –> 00:42:08.000
you know, where what where’s your dissatisfaction00:42:09.000 –> 00:42:11.000
in life? What are you dissatisfied with? Could00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:12.000
be your finances, could be your family, could00:42:12.000 –> 00:42:14.000
be your career, could be your health,00:42:15.000 –> 00:42:16.000
could be relationships,00:42:16.000 –> 00:42:18.000
could be a number of things. And and00:42:18.000 –> 00:42:20.000
how dissatisfied are you, like, one to ten00:42:20.000 –> 00:42:21.000
it’s like a one or a two, it’s00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:24.000
like, okay. You’re not dissatisfied. You’re annoyed. You00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:25.000
know, just get it stop complaining and move00:42:25.000 –> 00:42:27.000
on. It’s an eight or a nine. It’s00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:29.000
like, okay. We gotta do some surgery. Like,00:42:29.000 –> 00:42:31.000
there’s some there’s some actual pain. So if00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:34.000
you’re dissatisfaction, let’s say let’s say finances or00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:35.000
your health, you’re an eight,00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
What’s your vision? What’s your specific vision for00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
that area? For for finances, your health, relationship,00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
career? Most people, when when your vision is00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:39.000
lower than00:42:45.000 –> 00:42:46.000
your satisfaction,00:42:47.000 –> 00:42:49.000
you get frustration, you get bitterness, you get00:42:49.000 –> 00:42:51.000
discontent, you get anxiety, and that’s where most00:42:51.000 –> 00:42:53.000
people are. You look around. Most people are00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:54.000
are dissatisfied00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
but they don’t have a vision of what00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:58.000
could be. And so they’re stuck. Well, when00:42:58.000 –> 00:43:00.000
your vision is higher than your dissatisfaction, well,00:43:00.000 –> 00:43:02.000
then you have ambition, you have motivation,00:43:03.000 –> 00:43:04.000
it’s saying like, hey, I’m at base camp00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
at Mount Everest. I’m trying to get to00:43:06.000 –> 00:43:07.000
the top. I’m not there yet,00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:09.000
but I at least know where I’m going.00:43:09.000 –> 00:43:11.000
And so you wake up every day with00:43:11.000 –> 00:43:13.000
a direction that you wanna Gilliland00:43:13.000 –> 00:43:15.000
so that that’s what I hear, what I00:43:15.000 –> 00:43:16.000
see, when I see see future over your00:43:16.000 –> 00:43:17.000
past, like,00:43:17.000 –> 00:43:19.000
yeah, you’ve gotta have a Gilliland and a00:43:19.000 –> 00:43:21.000
vision and a hope. And when you have00:43:21.000 –> 00:43:23.000
that, anything’s possible. Yep. And I love that00:43:23.000 –> 00:43:25.000
because it makes me think when we started00:43:25.000 –> 00:43:28.000
our firm visionary wealth advisors that that so00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:31.000
it’ll be ten years, in March. And00:43:32.000 –> 00:43:35.000
that previous spot, as I was becoming more00:43:35.000 –> 00:43:36.000
successful,00:43:36.000 –> 00:43:38.000
right? Mhmm. My job satisfaction00:43:38.000 –> 00:43:41.000
was going down. And Yeah. And then but00:43:41.000 –> 00:43:43.000
we made this change to your point.00:43:43.000 –> 00:43:46.000
Is it the Gilliland division was greater, right,00:43:46.000 –> 00:43:47.000
than where we And so,00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
it did. It fueled fire. It fueled energy.00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:53.000
It fueled passion. But also, for me, personally,00:43:53.000 –> 00:43:55.000
it it is basically00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:58.000
you know, minimized to almost hardly anything, my00:43:58.000 –> 00:44:00.000
anxiety, and my stress, and and Right. And00:44:00.000 –> 00:44:02.000
so that happiness. And so it doesn’t ever00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:04.000
mean it’s the right time because it wasn’t00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:06.000
time. We were my wife was pregnant with00:44:06.000 –> 00:44:09.000
our fourth child, built a new home. And00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:10.000
so people have to00:44:10.000 –> 00:44:13.000
think about those things, but take risks sometimes.00:44:13.000 –> 00:44:14.000
Man, and you gotta bet on yourself, and00:44:14.000 –> 00:44:16.000
you gotta go do it. So so I’m00:44:16.000 –> 00:44:18.000
curious. I I’ve never done this before, but00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:19.000
I’m gonna start doing this. I think I00:44:19.000 –> 00:44:21.000
had this, pop in my mind. So the00:44:21.000 –> 00:44:23.000
circuit of success, hence the podcast you’re on00:44:23.000 –> 00:44:25.000
here. Yeah. The circuits of success are attitude,00:44:26.000 –> 00:44:26.000
your beliefs,00:44:27.000 –> 00:44:28.000
action,00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:31.000
results. Right? So your attitude, your belief system,00:44:31.000 –> 00:44:33.000
the action take, get your results. So when00:44:33.000 –> 00:44:35.000
you hear those four, which one of those00:44:35.000 –> 00:44:37.000
does dive deep into one of? Which word00:44:37.000 –> 00:44:39.000
do you like? Attitude, beliefs, action, results?00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:43.000
I think belief for me is the most00:44:43.000 –> 00:44:44.000
powerful force in the world.00:44:45.000 –> 00:44:47.000
You know, like that one for me trumps00:44:47.000 –> 00:44:49.000
all of it.00:44:49.000 –> 00:44:51.000
Meaning if if00:44:52.000 –> 00:44:54.000
So you started the company because you believed00:44:54.000 –> 00:44:56.000
success was possible. Mhmm. If you didn’t believe00:44:56.000 –> 00:44:58.000
in it, you wouldn’t have done it. And00:44:58.000 –> 00:44:59.000
that doesn’t mean you believed in it every00:44:59.000 –> 00:45:01.000
single day. Right? We’re we’re human. We we00:45:01.000 –> 00:45:03.000
have those moments of doubt and fear.00:45:04.000 –> 00:45:07.000
But, like, the the car you drive that00:45:07.000 –> 00:45:10.000
car exists because somebody believed it was possible.00:45:10.000 –> 00:45:12.000
That car manufacturer exists because somebody thought I’m00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:15.000
gonna I’m gonna create this. And the the00:45:15.000 –> 00:45:17.000
school you went to, the town you’re from,00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
All these things exist because somebody believed in00:45:19.000 –> 00:45:21.000
it enough to take action. There may have00:45:21.000 –> 00:45:23.000
been been several. It may have been hundreds00:45:23.000 –> 00:45:24.000
of people who believed.00:45:24.000 –> 00:45:25.000
I think it’s possible.00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:27.000
But doubt eventually went out, and they didn’t00:45:27.000 –> 00:45:29.000
figure out a way to create a university,00:45:29.000 –> 00:45:31.000
to create a business, to create a car,00:45:31.000 –> 00:45:33.000
to create a clothing brand, whatever it may00:45:33.000 –> 00:45:33.000
be.00:45:34.000 –> 00:45:36.000
Everything around us is created because somebody believed00:45:36.000 –> 00:45:39.000
in it enough to actually take action on00:45:39.000 –> 00:45:40.000
on those beliefs.00:45:41.000 –> 00:45:43.000
And so I would say belief belief drives00:45:43.000 –> 00:45:43.000
behavior.00:45:44.000 –> 00:45:46.000
And belief will look for a way forward00:45:46.000 –> 00:45:48.000
where doubt will look for a way out.00:45:48.000 –> 00:45:50.000
And I think most people in life, right,00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:52.000
we get on this path, early on, we00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
believe our belief is high. Starting business, whatever00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:55.000
it is. Like, man, this can be awesome.00:45:55.000 –> 00:45:56.000
We can do it because we have no00:45:56.000 –> 00:45:58.000
clue what that road’s gonna look like. We00:45:58.000 –> 00:45:59.000
just think, like, Sarah, we think success is00:45:59.000 –> 00:46:02.000
gonna go this way. We don’t anticipate all00:46:02.000 –> 00:46:04.000
this this roundabout and chaos in in the00:46:04.000 –> 00:46:05.000
middle of it.00:46:05.000 –> 00:46:07.000
But for the people who who in the00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:09.000
midst of that standard, I still I still00:46:09.000 –> 00:46:10.000
believe in this thing that chose to run00:46:10.000 –> 00:46:12.000
after. I still believe it’s possible. For me,00:46:12.000 –> 00:46:13.000
it’s like00:46:13.000 –> 00:46:15.000
going down, the highway,00:46:16.000 –> 00:46:18.000
and there’s all these off ramps it’s gonna00:46:18.000 –> 00:46:20.000
be hard, you might fail. They’re gonna laugh00:46:20.000 –> 00:46:22.000
at you. You’re gonna lose everything. Like, whatever00:46:22.000 –> 00:46:24.000
all the excuses the fears are, and if00:46:24.000 –> 00:46:27.000
you if doubt is greater, as soon as00:46:27.000 –> 00:46:28.000
you face a little bit of adversity,00:46:29.000 –> 00:46:31.000
doubts, like, you’re right. I might fail. See00:46:31.000 –> 00:46:33.000
you. I’m out. I’m gonna quit before I00:46:33.000 –> 00:46:35.000
fail. And most people, they just they they00:46:35.000 –> 00:46:37.000
have a life it’s almost like they’re just00:46:37.000 –> 00:46:38.000
driving in a circle. Right? They get on00:46:38.000 –> 00:46:40.000
be on the highway. Like, I believe it’s00:46:40.000 –> 00:46:41.000
gonna be great.00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:43.000
It gets hard. Oh, my might fail, and00:46:43.000 –> 00:46:45.000
they get off. In the circle right back00:46:45.000 –> 00:46:46.000
around and get on the next path. Oh,00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:48.000
this is gonna be great. This is the00:46:48.000 –> 00:46:49.000
one. It gets hard, and they take the00:46:49.000 –> 00:46:51.000
next off ramp, and they just keep circling00:46:51.000 –> 00:46:51.000
around.00:46:52.000 –> 00:46:54.000
There’s people who believe, like, might be hard.00:46:54.000 –> 00:46:56.000
That’s okay. I might fail. That’s okay. They00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.000
might laugh at me. That’s okay. Because that00:46:58.000 –> 00:47:00.000
belief is greater than their doubt, and, like,00:47:00.000 –> 00:47:02.000
I’m gonna go figure out what’s possible. You00:47:02.000 –> 00:47:03.000
know, and so I for me, I just00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:06.000
think belief is such a powerful force. Yeah.00:47:06.000 –> 00:47:08.000
Amen into that. So my final question on00:47:08.000 –> 00:47:11.000
that, and, would be then belief in self,00:47:11.000 –> 00:47:12.000
you know, I believe in a higher powers.00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:14.000
Well, I believe in god. I believe in00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:16.000
self. I believe in goal management or goal00:47:16.000 –> 00:47:16.000
planning.00:47:17.000 –> 00:47:19.000
Mhmm. Go achievement. All these things. Right? But00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:20.000
The belief in yourself,00:47:21.000 –> 00:47:23.000
how what would you recommend for people right00:47:23.000 –> 00:47:25.000
now is to continue to grow that as00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:25.000
much as possible. And there’s a fine line00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:25.000
between arrogance00:47:28.000 –> 00:47:30.000
and right? So how do we grow,00:47:30.000 –> 00:47:31.000
in our belief in ourself?00:47:33.000 –> 00:47:35.000
I think two things coming to mind. One,00:47:35.000 –> 00:47:37.000
and then I know this gonna sound cheesy.00:47:37.000 –> 00:47:40.000
So apologies to anyone listening, but cheesy works.00:47:40.000 –> 00:47:42.000
One, I think, like, self affirmations.00:47:43.000 –> 00:47:45.000
Like, I think think of the doubts that00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
come in your mind. Like, write them down.00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:48.000
I’m not good enough. I don’t have what00:47:48.000 –> 00:47:49.000
it takes.00:47:49.000 –> 00:47:52.000
People don’t believe in me. Whatever. All these00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:53.000
lies that fill our brain00:47:54.000 –> 00:47:56.000
that keep us from taking action. If you00:47:56.000 –> 00:47:57.000
would write them down and write a truth00:47:57.000 –> 00:48:00.000
next to it, like and or even write00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:02.000
another column, of, like, who said that? Oh,00:48:02.000 –> 00:48:03.000
nobody.00:48:04.000 –> 00:48:06.000
Nobody said I would not get enough. Nobody00:48:06.000 –> 00:48:07.000
said I can’t do it. Like, now maybe00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:08.000
someone actually in your life, you know, you00:48:08.000 –> 00:48:11.000
had some some jerk who put some negativity00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:13.000
in in your mind, like Right. Most of00:48:13.000 –> 00:48:14.000
the time, the person is us.00:48:15.000 –> 00:48:18.000
And it’s like, oh, Well, okay. I’m the00:48:18.000 –> 00:48:19.000
only person who said that, which means it’s00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:21.000
not true. Well, what’s the truth of that?00:48:21.000 –> 00:48:22.000
I am good enough. I do have what00:48:22.000 –> 00:48:23.000
it takes.00:48:23.000 –> 00:48:25.000
Whatever it may be, and so to to00:48:25.000 –> 00:48:25.000
counter00:48:26.000 –> 00:48:29.000
the lies with truth, and and that’s why00:48:29.000 –> 00:48:30.000
I love, like, the power of belief in00:48:30.000 –> 00:48:32.000
the brain. I’ve I’ve become just obsessed with00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
the mind over the last, like, two years,00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:35.000
three years,00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:38.000
What what happens when you have a negative00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
thought, it does actual brain damage.00:48:41.000 –> 00:48:43.000
And so it weakens your brain. It weakens00:48:43.000 –> 00:48:45.000
your brain’s ability to be innovative, to be00:48:45.000 –> 00:48:47.000
creative, to be confident, to be focused, to00:48:47.000 –> 00:48:50.000
be clear, to be calm. And so negativity00:48:50.000 –> 00:48:52.000
does brain damage, which means you’re more likely00:48:52.000 –> 00:48:54.000
to have more negative thoughts and does more00:48:54.000 –> 00:48:55.000
brain damage. So,00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:56.000
and when you have a positive thought, it00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:57.000
it it strengthens your brain.00:48:59.000 –> 00:49:02.000
Right? Positive thoughts re regenerate. They rebuild your00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:04.000
brain to make you more confident, more clear,00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:05.000
more creative, more innovative, more00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:07.000
focused00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:09.000
And so this idea of positive versus negative00:49:09.000 –> 00:49:12.000
thinking, like, it’s actually changing. Your brain is00:49:12.000 –> 00:49:12.000
not a,00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:15.000
it’s not a a static thing. Right? It’s00:49:15.000 –> 00:49:17.000
not fixed. It changes, and every thought is00:49:17.000 –> 00:49:19.000
changing it. Your brain is it’s crazy. It’s00:49:19.000 –> 00:49:21.000
like your our brain is00:49:21.000 –> 00:49:23.000
a it it’s Gilliland.00:49:23.000 –> 00:49:26.000
And fascinating, but it’s also very stupid. Your00:49:26.000 –> 00:49:28.000
brain will believe whatever you tell it. Dings00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:29.000
fast. That’s right.00:49:30.000 –> 00:49:31.000
I think one, and you get to choose00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:33.000
what you tell it. And so the more00:49:33.000 –> 00:49:34.000
you practice, like and and so part of00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:35.000
my morning routine,00:49:36.000 –> 00:49:37.000
I’ve got mind body and soul. So I’ve00:49:37.000 –> 00:49:39.000
got the the faith deal. I’ve got the00:49:39.000 –> 00:49:40.000
workout.00:49:40.000 –> 00:49:42.000
And then every day I write down ten00:49:42.000 –> 00:49:43.000
things that I’m grateful for.00:49:44.000 –> 00:49:45.000
And I started doing that during COVID when00:49:45.000 –> 00:49:47.000
anxiety started to kick in a little bit.00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:49.000
So I think number one is just some00:49:49.000 –> 00:49:50.000
form of affirmations.00:49:51.000 –> 00:49:53.000
You could even call these I’m statements. I00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:54.000
I have a friend who she she works00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
with the Air Force doing leadership training, and00:49:56.000 –> 00:49:58.000
she was real nervous and insecure about it.00:49:58.000 –> 00:50:00.000
She was real, like, sweet, quiet. So the00:50:00.000 –> 00:50:01.000
moment, she’s like, what do I have to00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:02.000
offer? She’s powerhouse.00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:04.000
And so she put in her in her00:50:04.000 –> 00:50:06.000
bone, like, every three hours, I’m confident.00:50:07.000 –> 00:50:09.000
I’m a great leader. I have what it00:50:09.000 –> 00:50:09.000
takes.00:50:10.000 –> 00:50:12.000
And so it was just these reminders to00:50:12.000 –> 00:50:13.000
her. And it started to reshape her brain00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
to where she started to believe those things,00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
then live those things. So number one, I00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
think some form of self talk00:50:19.000 –> 00:50:21.000
is really important. And I think number two00:50:21.000 –> 00:50:24.000
is go go stack as many small successes00:50:24.000 –> 00:50:26.000
as you possibly can. That could be going00:50:26.000 –> 00:50:27.000
on a ten minute walk. That can be00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:28.000
a success.00:50:29.000 –> 00:50:31.000
It could be, what, like, having a difficult00:50:31.000 –> 00:50:33.000
conversation. But but that builds confidence when you00:50:33.000 –> 00:50:35.000
when you, you know, the other thing your00:50:35.000 –> 00:50:37.000
brain does, If you have a hard task00:50:37.000 –> 00:50:38.000
in front of you and you quit,00:50:40.000 –> 00:50:42.000
it’s like railroad tracks are being laid in00:50:42.000 –> 00:50:44.000
your brain. And when you quit, there’s a00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:46.000
gap. The railroad tracks don’t finish.00:50:46.000 –> 00:50:48.000
And so the next time you’re in a00:50:48.000 –> 00:50:50.000
difficult situation, your brain doesn’t know how to00:50:50.000 –> 00:50:51.000
finish the hard task. It’s like all it00:50:51.000 –> 00:50:53.000
knows what to do is is to quit00:50:54.000 –> 00:50:56.000
When you complete it, it it’s like it00:50:56.000 –> 00:50:58.000
lays that railroad track and it finishes it.00:50:58.000 –> 00:50:59.000
It completes the track. And so the next00:50:59.000 –> 00:51:01.000
time you’re in a hard situation, your brain’s00:51:01.000 –> 00:51:02.000
like, oh, I know what to do here.00:51:02.000 –> 00:51:03.000
I know how to finish. I know how00:51:03.000 –> 00:51:05.000
to do hard things, which is part of00:51:05.000 –> 00:51:07.000
why, like, just the value of working out00:51:07.000 –> 00:51:10.000
every day. It’s hard. It’s not fun. Most00:51:10.000 –> 00:51:11.000
days I don’t wanna finish it. Like, this00:51:11.000 –> 00:51:13.000
is killing me. I wanna Oh, I’m like,00:51:13.000 –> 00:51:14.000
I’ve got five more minutes. I can do00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.000
anything for five more minutes, whatever it is.00:51:16.000 –> 00:51:18.000
But part of part of me doing that00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:19.000
one is my own just physical health, but00:51:19.000 –> 00:51:21.000
two training your brain to to deal with00:51:21.000 –> 00:51:23.000
adversity to do hard things. And so those00:51:23.000 –> 00:51:25.000
things build confidence when you need confidence.00:51:26.000 –> 00:51:28.000
Yeah. So strong. I I think about that00:51:28.000 –> 00:51:30.000
made me think about what I call comfort00:51:30.000 –> 00:51:32.000
zone callus. Right? Your comfort zone is so00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:34.000
small when we start out. Right? But then00:51:34.000 –> 00:51:35.000
if you do something,00:51:35.000 –> 00:51:37.000
it gets it just keeps getting a little00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:39.000
bit bigger. Right? So then your hand, if00:51:39.000 –> 00:51:40.000
it’s if you have a callus from, you00:51:40.000 –> 00:51:41.000
know, work or whatever it may be, you00:51:41.000 –> 00:51:43.000
just you gotta go around the callus, right,00:51:43.000 –> 00:51:45.000
and figure out a way out to get00:51:45.000 –> 00:51:47.000
out of your comfort zone. So well, Kevin,00:51:47.000 –> 00:51:48.000
this has been awesome. And where do our00:51:48.000 –> 00:51:51.000
listeners find more of, Kevin DeShazo?00:51:52.000 –> 00:51:54.000
Yeah. So I’m on every social media platform,00:51:54.000 –> 00:51:56.000
just at Kevin DeShazo,00:51:56.000 –> 00:51:58.000
Twitter or X and and Instagram, probably the00:51:58.000 –> 00:52:01.000
two that I’m most active on, LinkedIn fairly00:52:01.000 –> 00:52:01.000
active as well.00:52:02.000 –> 00:52:04.000
You’re welcome to just go to the website.00:52:04.000 –> 00:52:05.000
DeShazo dot me.00:52:06.000 –> 00:52:07.000
If you’re in sports,00:52:07.000 –> 00:52:10.000
our sports leadership company is be better leaders00:52:10.000 –> 00:52:12.000
dot com. So those are those are the00:52:12.000 –> 00:52:13.000
easiest places to find me. It’s so great00:52:13.000 –> 00:52:14.000
to have you on the circuit success, man.00:52:14.000 –> 00:52:16.000
Appreciate your time. Absolutely. I honor to be00:52:16.000 –> 00:52:17.000
with you.53 min
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