Stephanie Kramer is the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) at L’Oréal North America. In this episode, Stephanie shares how L’Oréal is shaping a “people-first leadership culture” across its global organization. During our conversation, she spoke about the “magic triangle” between HR, managers, and employees, and how this model empowers people leaders to drive engagement, development, and performance at scale. Stephanie also talks about the importance of consistent feedback through quarterly “connect” conversations, the role of data in creating insights (not dashboards), and how HR can sustain impact through empowerment. 

Links

• Website: https://www.carrystrongproject.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephaniemaekramer/

Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic is the Author of Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated (and What to Do Instead). In this episode, Tomas challenges the conventional wisdom that authenticity is always a virtue, especially in leadership. He explains why showing up as your “whole self” can backfire, and why striving to bring your best self is a more powerful approach. Along the way, Tomas connects these ideas to his broader research on technology, AI, and the future of work.

Links

• Website: https://www.drtomas.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtomaschamorro/
• Book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Be-Yourself-Authenticity-Overrated/dp/1647829836
• HBR Article: https://hbr.org/2025/07/why-leaders-should-bring-their-best-self-not-their-whole-self-to-work 

Caleb Gatlin and Becca Anzalone work at The Google School for Leaders. During this conversation, they discuss how Google is reshaping leadership development by embedding research and user feedback directly into learning design. Caleb and Becca share insights from the Learning Advisors program, a global network of managers and employees who provide real-time input to shape programs and tools. They explore how feedback is often misunderstood, why trust is the foundation of effective career conversations, and what it takes to design learning experiences that reflect the diverse realities of work inside a global organization. 

Links

• Caleb’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebgatlin/
• Becca’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/becca-anzalone-493aaa/ 
• Article 1: https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2025-08-12-revealed-googles-research-program-for-developing-better-managers
• Article 2: https://rework.withgoogle.com/intl/en/guides/learning-development-managers

Alexis Fink is a Principal at Propeller Insight. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Alexis Fink (formerly VP People Analytics & Workforce Strategy, Meta),  joins Al Dea to explore some of the biggest headlines on talent, HR  AI, and the future of work. Together, they discuss how AI is exposing the “BS economy” of meaningless work, what the future of HR could look like as the function reimagines its role, and why so many corporate AI pilots are failing to deliver results.

From rethinking how we define substance at work, to exploring HR’s opportunity to become more strategic, to understanding the gap between AI hype and reality, Alexis brings insights grounded in her experience as an organizational psychologist, people analytics leader, and researcher helping organizations navigate change.

Links

• Alexis’ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexisfink/
• Al’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/ 

Articles

• Article 1: https://www.fastcompany.com/91391631/how-ai-is-exposing-the-bs-economy-ai-work-productivity
• Article 2: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-work-2025-why-hr-holds-pen-rewrite-playbook-john-golden-ph-d--jyobc/?trackingId=b4LDN4PbD9CiHuae%2B5l%2BtQ%3D%3D
• Article 3: https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo/

In this Work in Progress segment of The Edge of Work, Al Dea is joined by Dr. Shonna Waters, CEO and Co-Founder of Fractional Insights, to explore the intersection of AI, leadership, and the future of work. Together, they assess the possibility of “BS Jobs," debate what a “decline in conscientiousness” really means, and examine why CEO narratives about AI adoption don’t always match reality.

Links

• Shonna’s Website: https://www.fractionalinsights.ai/ 
• Shonna’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shonna-waters/
• Al’s Website: https://www.al-dea.com/ 

Articles:

• Article 1: https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/no-conscientiousness-hasnt-collaped?r=un33&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
• Article 2: https://fortune.com/2025/07/02/ai-work-salesforce-benioff-nadella-microsoft-pichai-google/
• Article 3: https://www.fastcompany.com/91391631/how-ai-is-exposing-the-bs-economy-ai-work-productivity
• Article 4: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shonna-waters_the-ai-adoption-journey-doesnt-start-with-activity-7363567159911882752-yJpG/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAE3zicBfrtScfTifWDhDOVxFn_o6oUna5o

Greg Shove is the CEO of Section AI, a company helping enterprises and teams become truly AI-enabled. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg shares his journey of pivoting Section from an online business school to an AI-powered transformation partner. He discusses why most companies are struggling to adopt AI, the mistakes leaders make when rolling it out, and why the challenge is less about technology and more about change management. Greg also explains how AI is reshaping knowledge work, what employees and leaders need to do to stay relevant, and why the future of learning will look more like personalized coaching than traditional training.

Links

• Newsletter: https://personalmath.substack.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregshove/
• Website: https://www.sectionai.com/ 

Greg Satell is the Author of Cascades: How to Create a Movement That Drives Transformational Change. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Greg joins Al Dea to explore why most organizational change efforts fail and how leaders can spark lasting transformation. Drawing from his front-row experience during Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and 15 years of research, Greg shares the power of “small groups, loosely connected, united by a shared purpose” to drive cultural and behavioral change. He explains why top-down, big-bang launches often trigger resistance, how to find early adopters, and the keys to creating the right conditions for change to spread.

Links

• Website: https://gregsatell.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregsatell/
• Book: https://gregsatell.com/cascades/

Meg Bear is the Co-Host of The Meg and Amy Show. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Meg joins Al Dea to unpack the biggest workplace and technology headlines shaping the future of work. Together, they explore the implications of AI Pilots failing to deliver results, what automation and AI could mean for consulting firms, the potential for a “white collar gig economy” and the evolving nature of the employer-employee contract.

 From AI pilots failing to deliver results, to what automation means for consulting firms, and the growing conversation around the white-collar gig economy, Meg offers candid insights grounded in her experience as a tech executive, and now Co-Host of The Meg and Amy Show. 

Article Links:

• https://www.google.com/url?q=https://fortune.com/2025/08/18/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai-pilots-at-companies-failing-cfo
• https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenwolfepereira/2025/07/03/ceos-said-youre-replaceable-prepare-for-the-white-collar-gig-economy/
• https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/career/at-t-just-made-it-official-workplace-loyalty-is-dead/ar-AA1K4ro4? 

Other Links

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megbear/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow

In this solo episode of The Edge of Work, Al Dea explores what it really takes to lead change in today’s fast-moving workplace. Drawing from over 25 interviews with senior talent and learning leaders, Al shares six practical, people-centered practices to help leaders guide change more effectively. Whether it's launching a new initiative, navigating a transformation, or adapting to constant disruption, Al walks through a handful of tactical ways to lead with empathy, clarity, and confidence to lead change during uncertain times.

Links

• Al Dea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaldea/
• Work With Al Dea: https://al-dea.com/speaking/

Tasha Eurich is a Principal of The Eurich Group, a New York Times bestselling author, and an executive coach to top leaders around the world. In this episode of The Edge of Work, Tasha joins Al Dea to discuss her latest book, Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos and Why Resilience Alone Isn’t Enough. They explore why the traditional notion of resilience falls short in today’s workplace, how grit gaslighting holds high performers back, and why self-awareness and purpose are critical for navigating constant change. Tasha also introduces the “shatterproof” framework, a science-backed, four-step roadmap for not just surviving chaos, but growing through it.

Links

• Website: https://www.tashaeurich.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tashaeurich/
• Book: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/tasha-eurich/shatterproof/9780316566551/