In this week’s Parlor to Plate dairy podcast from Ever.Ag Insights, our expert panel breaks down the latest market dynamics and reports shaping the dairy and grain industries. How is 2025 starting for U.S. cheese exports? What trends are emerging in global butter imports and skim milk powder? And what surprises might Friday’s WASDE report hold for U.S. corn balance sheets?
Join host Katie Burgess and panelists Jon Spainhour, Matt Tranel, and Jake Kingsley for a spirited discussion.
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Future trading involves risk and is not suitable for all investors. Content provided in this segment is meant for educational purposes and is not a solicitation to buy or sell commodities. Hello. Welcome to Parlor to Plate a weekly podcast from ever again sites dedicated to offering listeners enlightening discussion and actionable dairy market intelligence. I’m your host, Katie Burgess. We’re excited to have you along, and if you like the show, please subscribe and tell a friend or two.
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To kick things off. Let’s timestamp the episode. It is about 2:00 central time on Wednesday, January 8th, and here’s the latest rundown of CME spot markets today. Block cheddar closed at one 91.5. That’s up half a cent from last week. Barrels finished at 187 per pound. That’s up $0.05. Water is at 260 per pound. Also up a nickel compared to a week ago.
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And nonfat dry milk is at 137 per pound. Down half a cent. Turning to the grain markets. March corn is at 454 per bushel today, down $0.04 from last week. Well, March soybeans are at 9.93 per bushel, down $0.17 from a week ago. So with that, let’s get to the show. Joined today by another great panel. First off, joining us from Chicago, Mr. John Spindler, who works with commercial dairy customers.
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Also Matt Tranel coming to us from Platteville, Wisconsin, where he works with dairy producers, and Jake Kingsley out of Kansas, who keeps a close eye on dairy feed prices. Hey, guys, happy new year.
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Happy new year. Happy new year, Katie.
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Happy new year and happy to be here.
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First year from a market perspective, it was an active two weeks. We did take two weeks off of the podcast though, as people celebrated holidays with family and friends. And as we come back this week, there is a lot to catch up on. Earlier this week we had blocks up in the mid one 90s, a two month high.
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Today butter got up to 260, the highest we’ve seen in eight weeks. Plus, to get things started this week we had a lot of reports. We had dairy products report Monday afternoon, GDP auction Tuesday morning. Fresh trade data out on Tuesday. So just lots of good stuff to help us kick off the new year, figure out where we’re going with these dairy markets.
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So, Matt, let’s start with you. This cheese market has had some strength. What’s the latest there?
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Yeah. You know, I think that we’ve seen some pretty decent cheese exports in the Q1 period of time. Get books. I think it’s kind of the old analogy that low prices cure low prices. When we did trade down into the one 6165 area, most of the world was considerably higher up into $2 to ten, maybe a little bit higher than that.
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And as a result of the price difference, the United States was the place to go to pick up any export business that was available through the holiday season. We also saw some fairly decent domestic demand along with it. And so as results, we have watched kind of this cheese market snuck up a little bit, and traders have been aggressively trying to find the product not always readily available.
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As we’ve approached this dollar area, it seems like, at least for the time being, that we are a little bit more in balance. We’ve also watched as a result of cheese moving up. We’ve watched the funds really start to less in a short position and start to build a little bit of a longer position, which has also assisted in taking class remote futures higher as well.
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Speaking of exports and different reports, we did have the trade data come out for November here recently, and some of the highlights that we did see were again, a very strong number for cheese exports were up 2% from 2023, numbers at 87 million pounds. Mexico continues to pace everybody, taking on another 35 million pounds of our product. And looking year to date, the United States crossed the 1 billion pound for cheese exports.
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So that was a very impressive number on the butter front. Exports were just under 7 million pounds with Canada taking most of our products. But when you look at the import part of butter, I thought it was interesting because we did import a record 23 million pounds, mostly coming from Ireland. So that was interesting piece on the butter report.
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Powder shipments were very low, just 119 million pounds. That’s the lowest since August 2019. And way exports were fairly decent. So it’s kind of a brief rundown on that report.
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Thanks for that, Matt. I mean, to your point, from a cheese export perspective, 2024 is going to go down in the books, most likely as a record year. From a butter import perspective. Apparently U.S. consumers cannot get enough of that. Irish butter likely goes down as a record import year for butter, so lots of interesting stuff in the trade data.
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And exactly to your point, I think as I talked to customers about what are we watching here in 2025, the story is still probably all about what’s going to happen with these cheese exports. So thanks for the rundown there. And speaking of what’s going to happen in 2025 and looking at international markets, John, I know you watched that GDP auction very carefully out in New Zealand.
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Can you give us the rundown of yesterday’s results?
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You’re absolutely right, Katie. The GDP was yesterday watching it pretty closely here. I would just say on aggregate the GDP was down about 2.9 star performers of the day, where butter and cheese butter was up 2.8%, coming in around 309. Cheddar was up about 1% coming in around 214 and mozzarella up 3.4% coming in at $1.89. However, as we switched to the powder side of things, that’s where the downgrade on the overall aggregate result came.
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Skim milk powder down 2.7%, coming in around 122 on the auction. There’s European powder that is for sale as well on there now, and we see that that’s trading in the 114 to 115 area as we go, where a whole milk powder came in 2.2% lower. And this is the second lower whole milk powder in a row. And I believe the third lower SMP result in a row on the GDP.
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If we were to say what changed things in there, I would just say we’ve seen China be pretty active for several months of the year, year. And I think we saw them doing a little bit of restocking and a little bit of trade channel shuffling. We saw them buy More here on the GDP, but probably a little bit less from other areas, specifically the US, especially for SMP.
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As Matt was pointing out there, exports were down relatively significantly for skim and nonfat dry milk powders. I think there’s two things to that are production was lower would be our price was higher. Right. We’ve been up in this 137 to 140 area during the time when the rest of the world has been at $1.25. And like I mentioned, Europe is now in the 115 area.
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So part of it is we have less product to export. We’re probably not going to export because our price is so high right now. So those are kind of some of the things that we point out that happened on the.
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GDP for sure. It’s I think very notable to see that historically, we don’t have big gaps in prices between global suppliers of powder prices for long, and the U.S. has been lowering quite a bit higher than the rest of the world. And so I think that the US market does have support to your point of making us here nervous about what’s happening in California.
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But at the same point in time, the global market is going to continue to tug us lower. If possible, just because we’re not price competitive.
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My general thought on that would just be that we can see California milk production was lower, right? We know that dairy products doesn’t quite state that total powder production was lower, but it was right. We know that for sure. You can’t have California milk production go down 10% and not affect powder production. So again, we didn’t have that much to export.
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But if milk production comes back as bird flu passes through California, we see milk production come back. We’re probably going to have more powder to sell, and we’ll need to export that. And when we do, it’s going to probably have to go at those lower international price levels as opposed to our domestic price right now, for sure.
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And I think that brings up another question that also heading into 2025, lots of questions about milk production. Where do we go with avian influenza? Do we have enough heifers out there to grow the herd? I know, Matt, you’re talking to producers from around the country. What’s the latest you’ve heard on the milk production front?
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Yeah, I know when you’re talking with producers, a trip in Wisconsin here last week and a common theme was where’s all the milk going to come from? And ultimately it still shows outside of the holiday weeks that milk is very snug around the holidays. It still gets a little loose. But anybody that’s taking in milk that might not have maybe a load or, contract for that can pretty easily resell it at a premium in today’s market.
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So I think that’s pretty common across most parts of the United States. I know it’s tight in California. It’s tight here in Wisconsin. I know there’s some buyers looking for milk down in the southern parts and the southern states as we fill these new cheese plants. From what I’m hearing, it’s still pretty snug. But as we move forward in 2025, it does still look like we’re moving towards a market that is expecting more milk than what we have here today.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, I’d say our average milk production model points to growth in 2025. It’s just these wild cards out there. Where do we go next? Are other areas impacted by avian influenza? You know, one of the reports that we look forward to all year is at the end of January, USDA gives us the latest data about how many heifers we’ll have in the year ahead.
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So looking forward to that report when we get it in a few weeks. And speaking of other reports that will get here sooner rather than later. Jake, I don’t want to leave you out. We’ve got a ways to report this week to get the latest on the grain markets, and I know this January 1st can be a big one.
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What are you guys watching for when those numbers drop on Friday?
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Yeah, I think there’s a fair bit of anticipation around Friday’s report here. January typically is kind of the last call on this most recent crop year, as far as any adjustments USDA might make to yield or acreage. Any of those production numbers kind of get finalized here in January. And I think there are questions around what may happen to the corn balance sheets.
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Specifically, we had a very sizable cut to ending stocks in December due to an increase in export and ethanol demand for corn. Now, the question is, is there another sizable adjustment coming? We’ve kind of continued to rally the futures curve, at least this old crop futures market. From that report up to this point now. So I think folks are expecting some sort of alteration to the balance sheet again this month potentially.
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Maybe it comes by way of South America. They had a little bit of a dry spell there very briefly that kind of brought crop conditions down. Still very much at or above the five year average on crop conditions down there, and have a sizable production number still anticipated for their harvest in the next couple of months. But there have been a few tweaks here and there that have started to add up to smaller domestic and global balance sheets.
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On the corn front. On the protein side, I think folks are maybe expecting a few less fireworks from the last year. The concern there continues to be around tariffs and Inauguration Day being less than two weeks out. At this point, the most obvious one for us to work on on the feed side is what do tariffs look like for Canada and all of the canola that comes south across that border, and to feed banks here in the US.
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And who incurs that cost increase if it is to go into effect. So we’re watching that. We’ve seen canola markets kind of tighten up. And vendors being less interested in putting offers out there for the forward curve. Certainly more interest in looking at soybean meal, moving back into the ration in some markets where they are heavily favoring canola right now.
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So a couple things to watch on that end.
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So Jake thank you Canada. Also this week big political news there. Prime Minister Trudeau announcing that he’s going to step down. Does that impact the canola market or the markets in any.
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Way I think so I think it’s hard to say exactly how that plays out in the long term. It really depends on who comes in there next. But what I do foresee happening is if you had Trudeau still in there, he and Trump had already had an initial discussion and were going back and forth a little bit about this tariff rhetoric with him stepping down.
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I think that kind of leaves a void where whatever policies we implement day one or week one or however early in the Trump presidency, it will take a lot longer to resolve with unknown changes coming to Canadian leadership, there won’t be near as many opportunities for quick discussion.
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It’s a good point, and I think we have, you know, corollaries in the dairy market as well of there’s a lot of moving pieces here in the market fundamentals themselves as we head into the new year. And then you add in the uncertainty around what’s going to happen with trade and tariffs and politics. Also, I guess just to mention potential port strikes, lots of things to be watching as we keep an eye on these markets here over the next really couple of months.
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So we’ll see where it goes. But well, there are lots of questions to ask. We’ll have more podcasts coming to you as the year unfolds, so we’ll leave those questions for another day. I think that’s it for today. Big thanks to John. Jake and Matt. Appreciated the conversation today. Also big thanks to the Our Insights team. Thanks for your production support.
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