At the top of the show, Kyley and Eva discuss: 

• Hello Universe Giveaway! Rate & review the show, email us a picture of your review at [email protected], to enter to win!
• Kyley process her feelings about grief in motherhood, the impermanence of nature, and her daughter turning one
• The importance and power of accepting grief and feeling your feelings

Kathy Frankel is a long time meditator. In this episode we have a grounded and meaningful discussion on how meditation has transformed Kathy’s life: 

• Spirituality as determining the kindest, clearest, most ethical course of action
• Kathy’s origin story— finding meditation on retreat and the transformational power of that experience
• Experiencing for yourself as a source of truth
• The awareness and healing power of finally seeing the patterns of our own mind, or monkey mind, as uncomfortable as that may be
• When the student is ready, the teacher arises — doing the internal work making us ready for the teacher or resource we need
• Depression as a numbing, a not-feeling, and how meditation helped Kathy when other means did not
• Kathy’s commitment to activism and protest work, and how meditation keeps her grounded when things feel upside down

“For one thing, I don’t feel depressed anymore, because I realized that for me, depression was just a cover of things I as actually feeling, but didn’t want to admit.”

— Kathy Frankel

“Mine was emotional depression, not chemical depression. More like a black cloud. Once I realized I could watch my mind, when I could see the patterns of the mind, they weren’t always pleasant to see, but I wasn’t hiding from it anymore. So the depression was gone. If I hadn’t done meditation, I don’t think it would have gone away.”

— Kathy Frankel

“I’m trying to find a way to maintain compassion and kindness for people who don’t believe the way I do, yet at the same time, point out that this is not right. I think it’s one of the most important parts of my practice right now. ”

— Kathy Frankel

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