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Elon Musk announced his takeover of Twitter by carrying a porcelain sink into the headquarters. Will his plan to loosen restrictions on social media help or hurt the country? Archeologist have discovered a new way to verify events in the Old Testament, but Phil wonders if anyone really cares. And is it ever loving for Christians to mock their opponents? The gang examines six rules for Christian mockery from the 17th century and why they may not apply today. Then, spiritual director Ruth Haley Barton explains how she came to see sabbath as a gift rather than an obligation. Her new book, "Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest," looks at why we struggle to practice sabbath rest, the challenge of technology, and how to make sabbath a lifestyle and not just a weekly discipline. Plus, the saving power of worm spit.

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News Segment 0:00 - Intro 5:08 - Worm spit 9:12 - Elon Musk and Twitter 18:57 - Geomagnetic fields and Biblical narratives 29:46 - Rules for Christian mockery

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Interview with Ruth Haley Barton "Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again" - https://amzn.to/3FSkMgP Ruth Haley Barton - https://www.ruthhaleybarton.com 46:33 - Interview intro 49:09 - Spiritual formation 52:59 - Value of sabbath 56:34 - Guilt around sabbath 1:00:47 - More than a day of rest 1:04:46 - Sabbath as delight 1:07:00 - Challenges of technology 1:17:55 - A communal practice 1:24:24 - Credits Links from news segment:

"Worm spit could be a secret cure to the world's plastic problem" (Inverse) - https://www.inverse.com/innovation/worm-saliva-plastic-pollution "TAU, HU Scientific Breakthrough: Geomagnetic Fields Reveal Truth of Biblical Narratives" (Jewish Press) - https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/tau-hu-scientific-breakthrough-geomagnetic-fields-reveal-truth-of-biblical-narratives/2022/10/25/ "Can you laugh at your enemies and love them? Rules for Christian mockery" (The Christian Post) - https://www.christianpost.com/voices/can-you-laugh-at-your-enemies-and-love-them.html Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

With the Dobbs decision earlier this year, the Supreme Court sent the issue of abortion back to the states, and divisions are opening up within the pro-life movement about what comes next. A very vocal faction calling themselves "abortion abolitionists" are arguing for a complete ban on abortion in all cases, including where the life of the mother is at risk, and the criminal prosecution of women who have them. David French and Skye Jethani examine the abolitionists' arguments, explore why they are gaining popularity among Christians, and why they will actually fail to create the culture of life we want. Plus, French and Jethani engage in unrestrained nerdery as they discuss season one of "The Rings of Power."

00:00 - Intro 00:24 - Abortion abolitionists 56:02 - Nerd corner Resources mentioned: "Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice" by Francis J. Beckwith - https://amzn.to/3WbiYF6

"How Americans Understand Abortion: A Comprehensive Interview Study of Abortion Attitudes in the U.S." by Tricia C. Bruce - https://news.nd.edu/news/national-abortion-study-finds-out-of-touch-labels-knowledge-gaps-appetite-for-moral-discussion/

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Research finds many Americans are opposed to the gospel because they view Christians as hypocrites, but a new $100 million ad campaign hopes to reintroduce Jesus to the country. But does Jesus really have a PR problem, or does the church have a discipleship problem? Then, culture war issues are fracturing evangelical colleges into 5 distinct groups. What does it mean for the future of the church?

Phil talks to pastor and podcaster Mike Erre about how to think biblically about the culture wars. Does the New Testament call the church to have power over the culture, how did Jesus influence others, and what about the presence of real evil in the world? Mike shares his 3 principles for Christians and the culture war. Plus, the Dutch are giving guns to robots. What could possibly go wrong?

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News Segment 0:00 - Intro 1:52 - Robots with guns 8:22 - Ad campaign for Jesus 27:56 - Evangelical colleges and culture war issues50:04 - Sponsor: Biola University's Talbot School of Theology Visit www.biola.edu/talbot for more information and to apply today.

Interview with Mike Erre Voxology podcast: https://voxologypodcast.com

51:20 - Guest intro 55:22 - Culture warring intro 56:53 - The role of the church in the world 1:09:36 - Providing a counter narrative 1:26:00 - Culture warring vs. the way of Jesus in culture

1:28:06 - Credits

Links from news segment:"The Netherlands Has Deployed NATO's First Killer Robot Ground Vehicles" (Vice) - https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgpax3/the-netherlands-has-deployed-natos-first-killer-robot-ground-vehicles"

Oakland Cops Hope to Arm Robots with Lethal Shotguns" (The Intercept) - https://theintercept.com/2022/10/17/police-robot-gun-oakland/"

A $100 million ad campaign wants to fix Jesus' image. His followers remain a problem." (Religion News Service) - https://religionnews.com/2022/10/10/a-100-million-ad-campaign-wants-to-fix-jesuss-image-his-followers-remain-a-problem/

"The Five Emerging Factions in Evangelical Higher Education" (Patheos) - https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2022/04/the-five-emerging-factions-in-evangelical-higher-education/

Links from interview:"American Evangelicals: Embattled and Thriving" by Christian Smith

Crazy: 10 years of podcasts, 1 song (by Phil Vischer) - https://youtu.be/Tkgong0GcO0

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Everyone is suddenly talking about Christian nationalism. Some on the political right are embracing the label, while others on the political left are condemning it. Bart Barber, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, was interviewed on 60 Minutes this week to explain why Christian nationalism is fundamentally anti-Baptist. But Al Mohler, another influential SBC leader, is less eager to condemn Christian nationalism and takes a more nuanced view. Mohler also says any Christian who doesn't vote for the Republican Party is being "unfaithful to God." The Holy Post crew unpacks his argument.

Then, Skye interviews Georgetown professor, Paul D. Miller, about his new book, "The Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism." Miller defines Christian nationalism historically, and explains why it is both anti-American and anti-Christian. Plus—When you give a pig a beer...

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News Segment

00:44 - Intro

2:39 - Phil's animation adventures

7:53 - Animal News

12:09 - SBC leaders on Christian nationalism

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Interview with Paul D. Miller

"The Religion of American Greatness: What's Wrong with Christian Nationalism" - https://amzn.to/3gi48we

43:24 - Interview intro

44:57 - Paul's background

47:59 - What is Christian nationalism?

49:42 - Critique of Christian nationalism

54:18 - Christian nationalism then and now

1:03:11 - Race and Christian nationalism

1:11:05 - Nationalism vs nationality

1:12:57 - Advice for spiritual leaders

1:17:29 - Credits

Links from news segment:

"Feral pig pinches multiple six-packs of beer and runs riot at Pilbara camp sites" - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/beer-swilling-swine/4946072

Southern Baptist Convention President Bart Barber on Trump, abortion, sex abuse in the church and more (CBS) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southern-baptist-convention-president-bart-barber-60-minutes-2022-10-09/

"The Guardrails" (The Run-Up podcast) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/podcasts/run-up-trump-evangelical-republican.html

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Research now shows that people who constantly consume the news are three times more likely to hold incorrect perspectives than those who only consume news occasionally. How did the news business shift from reporting to distorting? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss a new article that blames comedian Jon Stewart and The Daily Show for unintentionally transforming the media into a "subscription-based narrative production" business.

Then, Skye talks to journalist Bonnie Kristian about her book, "Untrustworthy: The Knowledge Crisis Breaking Our Brains, Polluting Our Politics, and Corrupting Christian Community." She explains the economic and cultural forces that have warped journalism, and strategies that can help us avoid being misinformed. Also this week, Focus on the Family defends Christopher Columbus, and Phil reports on his latest Twitter skirmishes involving abortion and trans vegetables.

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News Segment 0:00 - Intro 4:11 - Phil's Twitter skirmishes 21:39 - Columbus Day 32:52 - Narratives in media

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Interview with Bonnie Kristian "Untrustworthy: The Knowledge Crisis Breaking Our Brains, Polluting Our Politics, and Corrupting Christian Community" - https://amzn.to/3MpJ2bc

55:03 - Journalism over the past decade 57:23 - Knowledge crisis on the right and the left 1:00:13 - The perception gap 1:03:44 - Profit-driven news 1:09:18 - Social media and news 1:14:53 - Cancel culture 1:22:15 - Navigating media engagement 1:29:07 - Episode credits

Articles from news segment:

"Go Ahead and Celebrate Christopher Columbus, Who Sought to Tell the New World About Jesus Christ" by Paul Batura (Focus on the Family's Daily Citizen) - https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/go-ahead-and-celebrate-christopher-columbus-who-sought-to-tell-the-new-world-about-jesus-christ/

"How Stewart Made Tucker" by Jon Askonas (The New Atlantis) - https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/how-stewart-made-tucker

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Were you an evangelical kid in the 1970s, 80s, or 90s? Then you may be suffering from the lingering affects of "rapture anxiety." Why did rapture theology feature so prominently in the American church, where did it come from, and why does it seem so bizarre to Christians today? Then, Russell Moore has a new article on the heresy of Christian Nationalism accusing it of doing to conservatives what the Social Gospel did to progressives a century ago.

Skye then talks to Silicon Valley pastor, Jay Y. Kim, about his book "Analog Christian: Cultivating Contentment, Resilience, and Wisdom in the Digital Age." Kim says social media is designed to produce the opposite of the Fruit of the Spirit in us, and argues we need to "linger longer" in non-digital, incarnate spaces and relationships to combat its affects. Plus, don't take a raccoon into a bar, and one tough Turkish toddler.

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News Segment 00:00 - Intro 2:08- Animal news 9:39 - Rapture anxiety 25:08 - Russell Moore on Christian nationalism Interview with Jay Y. Kim "Analog Christian: Cultivating Contentment, Resilience, and Wisdom in the Digital Age" - https://amzn.to/3e3vaXk 39:51 - Interview intro 43:04 - Technology and cigarette analogy 46:41 - Spiritual formation in Silicon Valley 51:18 - Are mediums really neutral? 56:20 - Love vs. self-centric despair 1:06:04 - Lingering longer Links from news segment: "Woman who brought raccoon to North Dakota bar is charged" (ABC News) - https://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/woman-brought-raccoon-north-dakota-bar-charged-90326390 "Toddler Bites Snake to Death after It Sunk Its Fangs into Her Lip" (Newsweek) - https://www.newsweek.com/toddler-snake-bite-kills-snake-1733553 "For some Christians, 'rapture anxiety' can take a lifetime to heal" (CNN) - https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/us/rapture-anxiety-evangelical-exvangelical-christianity-cec/index.html "Christian Nationalism Cannot Save the World" by Russell Moore (Moore to the Point newsletter) - https://christianitytoday.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=0224cd598e48c5041c7947fd5cb20d53.10884&s=c0745eb8366dc94946b6b980d936ad22 Resources from interview: "Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid" by Jonathan Haidt (The Atlantic) - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/ "When Church Became Theatre: The Transformation of Evangelical Architecture and Worship in Nineteenth-Century America" by Jeanne Halgren Kilde - https://amzn.to/3Rzr9Yn "Analog Church: Why We Need Real People, Places, and Things in the Digital Age" by Jay Y. Kim - https://amzn.to/3SAqHu9 Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

David French is in studio with Skye Jethani and Phil Vischer for a special edition of French Friday. First, they discuss new survey results showing most evangelicals hold shockingly heretical beliefs about the nature of Jesus, but they are absolutely clear about sexual ethics. What does it mean for evangelicalism to make doctrine optional and sexual purity essential?

Then, comments from leading conservative voices appear to contradict core conservative values. Can conservatism still be defined, or has it deteriorated into a reactionary movement to "own the libs" and nothing more? Plus, David and Skye nerd-out about the new Amazon series, "The Rings of Power."

0:00 - Intro

1:55 - Is evangelicalism about Jesus or sexual ethics?

26:24 - Can conservatism be defined?

57:57 - Nerd corner

Links and resources mentioned: The Dispatch - https://thedispatch.com

"Evangelicals Decenter Jesus" by David French (The Atlantic Newsletter) - https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/632df352c5c055002255fa9f/us-evangelical-christian-republican/

"The American right's future involves waging a 'religious battle' against the left, leaders say at a conservative conference" (NBC) - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/american-rights-future-involves-waging-religious-battle-left-leaders-s-rcna48961

Fuller Youth Institute - https://fulleryouthinstitute.org/stickyfaith

"The Evangelical Question in the History of American Religion" by Kirsten Sanders (The Hedgehog Review) - https://hedgehogreview.com/issues/the-use-and-abuse-of-history/articles/the-evangelical-question-in-the-history-of-american-religion

Holy Post episode 526 (includes discussion of above article) - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-526-was-the-constitution-divinely-inspired-with-kaitlyn-schiess

National Conservatism: A Statement of Principles - https://nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

"How Do Christians Fit Into the Two-Party System? They Don't" by Tim Keller, 2018 (NYT) - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/christians-politics-belief.html

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"}}},"VERSION":"8.72.53"}"> The death of Queen Elizabeth has many wondering about the future of Christianity in the UK. The Queen was outspoken about her faith in Jesus Christ, but how will King Charles change what it means for the monarch to be the "Defender of the Faith"? We all know evangelicals are divided by politics, but a new report by Catholic bishops says Roman Catholics are too. What can we learn from one another? Poverty among kids in the U.S. has declined dramatically in recent decades. Liberals say it's the result of government programs. Conservative credit economic growth. Who is right? Then, Anglican pastor Aaron Damiani talks with Skye about his journey from megachurch burnout to life-giving liturgy. His new book, "Earth Filled with Heaven," is written to Christians skeptical about tradition, rituals, and sacraments, but they might be the key to saving evangelicalism from itself. Plus, why you shouldn't drink coffee before shopping or trust ads featuring dogs. Bonus Patreon Interview with Aaron Damiani - Https://www.patreon.com/posts/72516965/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 03:06 - Dog and cat marketing 9:42 - Drinking coffee before shopping 11:13- The Queen's faith and Christianity in the UK 21:46 - Catholic church split by politics 30:36 - Child poverty has declined Interview with Aaron Damiani "Earth Filled with Heaven: Finding Life in Liturgy, Sacraments, and other Ancient Practices of the Church" - https://amzn.to/3Szeaqy Aaron Damiani - https://twitter.com/aarondamiani 43:55 - Background 47:47 - Megachurch burnout 52:14 - Liturgy and sacrament overview 59:38 - Misperceptions about liturgy 1:08:21 - Mitigating celebrity dynamics in the church 1:11:48 - Is this just another novelty? 1:15:08 - Credits Articles from news segment:"Dog owners take more risks, cat owners are more cautious, research finds" by Lei Jia (Salon) - https://www.salon.com/2022/09/04/dog-owners-take-more-risks-cat-owners-are-more-cautious-research-finds_partner/ "Drinking coffee before shopping could make you spend more" by Adam Barnes (The Hill) - https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/3567346-drinking-coffee-before-shopping-could-make-you-spend-more/ "US Catholic bishops' report to the Vatican shows a church split by politics" by Claire Giangravé (Religion News Service) - https://religionnews.com/2022/09/23/u-s-catholic-bishops-report-to-the-vatican-shows-a-church-split-by-politics/ "Expanded Safety Net Drives Sharp Drop in Child Poverty" by Jason DeParle (NYT) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/us/politics/child-poverty-analysis-safety-net.html Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

A court has ruled that a Christian-owned business is not required to pay for health insurance that includes drugs to prevent HIV. Is the ruling a victory for religious liberty, or a case of Christians unfairly imposing their beliefs on others? In an effort to "bring God back into public schools" Taxes now requires schools to display "In God We Trust" signs. But what happens when the sign is in Arabic? Southern governors are shipping undocumented immigrants North. But is their goal to actually solve the immigration crisis, or are they using vulnerable people for a partisan stunt? Then, pastor and culture-watcher Mark Sayers is back to talk about his new book, "A Non-Anxious Presence." He says we've entered a new cultural era riddled with anxiety and uncertainty that Christian leaders relying on the previous era's models are not equipped to handle. Drawing from Friedman's family-systems theory, Sayers argues we must learn to patiently resist the unhealthy people in our communities, endure sabotage, and fundamentally rethink our definitions of success. Plus, annual awards for hilarious scientific achievements.

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News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:52 - Bizarre scientific awards 11:04 - Religious freedom and health insurance coverage 23:13 - Public Christian symbols 38:39 - Southern governors sending migrants north

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Interview with Mark Sayers "A Non-Anxious Presence: How a Changing and Complex World Will Create a Remnant of Renewed Christian Leaders" - https://amzn.to/3f3wRnO Mark Sayers - https://www.marksayers.co 1:00:18 - Mark Sayers intro 1:02:49 - Anxiety in a gray zone 1:06:26 - Friedman's systems theory and culture 1:08:35 - How leaders can bring health 1:15:39 - Comfort and escapism 1:22:22 - Leading with God's presence 1:27:42 - Credits

Articles referenced in news segment: Ig Nobel prize winners - https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/constipation-s-effect-on-scorpion-sex-garners-biology-ig-nobel-70504

"A Texas Judge Just Took Religious 'Freedom' Too Far" (Bloomberg) - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-14/texas-prep-drug-ruling-in-braidwood-case-should-be-overturned?

"Southern governor sending migrants north face a crisis of faith" by Jonathan Merritt (Religion News Service) - https://religionnews.com/2022/09/16/southern-governors-sending-migrants-north-face-a-crisis-of-faith/

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The water crisis in Jackson, Mississippi, was foreseeable and preventable. Did white evangelicalism's anti-government attitude contribute to the catastrophe? Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson has yet another take on the evangelical infatuation with Trump. Do we need any more? And a recent article by theologian Kirsten Sanders says we've entered a new era of evangelicalism where online influencers are shaping the movement more than pastors or institutions. Then, Skye and Kaitlyn discuss the belief held by some American Christians that the Constitution was inspired by God. Where did this view come from? Why is it dangerous? And why is it finding new popularity today? Plus, Phil plops a headline.

News Segment 0:00 - Intro 4:54 - News of the Butt headline 6:10 - Jackson water crisis 17:52 - Another article on evangelicalism and Trump?

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Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess 55:40 - Getting Schooled intro 57:57 - Divine inspiration of the Constitution - overview 1:15:24 - Dangers of holding this view 1:22:54 - Resources

Resources from Getting Schooled: "We the Fallen People" by Robert Tracy McKenzie - https://amzn.to/3qzgkuf

"The Bible in Politics" by Richard Bauckham - https://amzn.to/3U1zQgF

"Every Leaf, Line, and Letter" edited by Timothy Larsen - https://amzn.to/3U9M7ja

Articles mentioned: "Jackson water crisis deepens as state deploys National Guard" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/01/jackson-mississippi-water-crisis/

"Trump should fill Christians with rage. How come he doesn't?" by Michael Gerson (The Washington Post) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/01/michael-gerson-evangelical-christian-maga-democracy/

"The Evangelical Question in the History of American Religion" by Kirsten Sanders (The Hedgehog Review) - https://hedgehogreview.com/issues/the-use-and-abuse-of-history/articles/the-evangelical-question-in-the-history-of-american-religion

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