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Protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration's immigration policies have turned violent, but will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the President? And Phil asks if there is any way to prevent necessary mass protests from becoming violent. One of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament professor Walter Bruggemann contrasted the world's vision of scarcity with God's kingdom of abundance, but Kaitlyn thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Skye talks with his Holy Post Media colleague, Esau McCaulley, about his vocation as a priest, professor, and podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and brokenness of the culture. Also this week—flying zebras and burning Waymos.

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0:00 - Show Starts

4:30 - Theme Song

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7:20 - Runaway Ed the Zebra!

14:33 - LA Protests, Self-Driving Cars

20:30 - Is Violent Protest Inevitable?

30:38 - Walter Brueggemann's Passing

34:22 - Kaitlyn's Disagreement with Brueggemann

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45:25 - Interview

47:32 - Why Esau's an Anglican Priest

54:30 - Why Esau's a Podcaster

1:04:20 - How Does Esau's Brain Work?

1:12:38 - White Evangelicals Centering

1:19:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Pet Zebra Escaped!

https://apnews.com/article/runaway-pet-zebra-captured-tennessee-54669b2fc2c1dffb87a09f4081d6c135

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Check out The Esau McCaulley Podcast: https://pod.link/1770229436

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In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, "Joyful Outsiders." He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of "asking Jesus into your heart," and pigeons on a plane.

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5:36 - Animal News

13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response

25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War

36:23 - Low Church to High Church

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54:15 - Interview

55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders?

1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders?

1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope

1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living

1:31:00 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Pigeons on a Plane!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400

Gen Z Gender Worship War:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/

Other Resources:

Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT

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Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye respond to questions from the listeners, including whether lay people should go to seminary, how important is attending a church after being hurt by one, and whether Christians should make violent video games. They also venture into theological topics like what pronouns are appropriate for God, what doctrines do we emphasize too much, and why they all think telling kids to "ask Jesus into your heart" is a bad idea. The crew also revisits the topic of Project 2025 and whether they regret their dismissive opinions about it from before the election. Also this week—Skye reveals plans for his new project with Holy Post Media, and one listener's question prompts Kaitlyn to make a big announcement.

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1:09 - Show Starts

2:30 - Theme Song

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5:04 - Is Protesting in Rotunda Illegal?

7:04 - Skye's Next Book?

11:35 - Should Laypeople Go Into Seminary?

16:00 - What Do We Mean "Jesus in My Heart?"

24:00 - Project 2025

32:00 - Clarifying vs Changing Scripture

39:00 - Christians Making Video Games?

49:00 - What Theological Issues Do We Overrate?

55:00 - Church Community

59:33 - Special Question

1:06:01 - End Credits

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Why are more churches rediscovering and reciting the Nicene Creed? And what can the ancient articulation of Christian belief offer the church in these divided times? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the 1700th anniversary of the creed and its place in the modern church. The Bible is critical to our faith, but have we been taught to worship the Bible rather than the God of the Bible? Dave Ripper, the author of "Experiencing Scripture as a Disciple of Jesus," explains how Dallas Willard engaged the Bible and how it can become a source of transformation, not just information. Also this week: What qualifies as anti-Christian behavior, an update on Afghan and Afrikaner refugees, and scientists discover auras are real.

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7:45 - Do Mice glow?

19:30 - Shane Claiborne Arrested

25:20 - The Nicene Creed's Birthday!

31:30 - Why's the Creed Popular Right Now?

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54:32 - Interview

56:55 - How Did Ripper First Meet Willard?

1:03:50 - Jesus is a Genius

1:10:20 - Sin Management

1:22:50 - Memorizing Scripture

1:29:38 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

People Glow Til They Die!

https://nationalpost.com/news/calgary-researchers-discover-that-life-has-a-literal-glow

Shane Claiborne Arrested!

https://religionnews.com/2025/05/05/shane-claiborne-four-other-faith-activists-arrested-while-prayerfully-protesting-gop-budget-bill/

Popularity of the Nicene Creed

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/nicene-creed-anniversary-conference-ancient-christianity-trinity-theology/

Fox News and Christian Refugees

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/afghan-christian-pastor-pleads-trump-warns-taliban-revenge-after-admin-revokes-refugee-protections?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user%2FFoxNews

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Experiencing Scripture as a Disciple of Jesus: Reading the Bible like Dallas Willard by Dave Ripper: https://a.co/d/8oWLI3i

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We have a pope and he's American! Cardinal Robert Prevost from Chicago is now Pope Leo XIV, and his connection to The Holy Post is closer than anyone imagined. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss reactions to the new Pope and the significance of his name. Katelyn Beaty is back to discuss the evolution of the Q Conference, led by Gabe and Rebekah Lyons. Why has an event that started almost 20 years ago with a positive vision of Christian cultural engagement for the common good now shifted to embrace the culture war? And what does it reveal about larger changes within American evangelicalism? Also this week—The Trump administration is accepting refugees into the U.S. again (as long as they are white), the Quakers are on the move, caterpillar flair, and baby girl Bible names.

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3:25 - Theme Song

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6:40 - Bone Collector Caterpillar

12:10 - What Did Tariffs Do?

22:50 - Quakers are on the Move!

27:17 - Chicago Pope!

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48:00 - Interview

52:40 - What is the Q Conference?

1:02:44 - How Has the Q Conference Shifted?

1:12:18 - Ethics vs Pragmatism

1:21:23 - Responding to the Change in Evangelicalism

1:32:55 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Bone Collector Caterpillar!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carnivorous-bone-collector-caterpillars-wear-corpses-as-camouflage/

Quakers on the March!

https://apnews.com/article/quakers-protest-march-trump-immigration-crackdown-af1ae4a3a608e59f97c96c8b7cf660a2?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/religion

Other Resources:

What Happened to the Q Conference:

https://katelynbeaty.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-q-conference-thinq-media-speakers

Quakers March to Protest Trump's Immigration Crackdown

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/11/quakers-march-protest-trump-immigration-crackdown

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The White House is facing backlash for posting an AI image of Donald Trump as the Pope. Was it a careless joke or a calculated distraction? The most extensive study of its kind finds that the world's largest Muslim country far outranks the United States in human flourishing, and also explains why secular elites are discovering a new respect for religion. But is there more than a practical purpose behind faith? Historian Beth Allison Barr is back to discuss her latest book, "Becoming the Pastor's Wife." She says expectations for ministry spouses aren't rooted in Scripture but in a reaction to feminism in the late 20th century, and Barr explains how marriage replaced ordination as the way for women to serve the church. Also this week—listener questions, and a whole new look for Holy Post Media.

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15:10 - Comparing two recent interviews: Gillibrand and Kasich

28:10 - Pope Donald?

34:24 - Human Flourishing Study in Indonesia!

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56:50 - Interview

1:02:24 - Danver's Statement

1:09:09 - Rooted in America, not Scripture

1:19:19 - Honoring Responsibility

1:32:55 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Religion and Happiness in Indonesia:

https://providencemag.com/2025/05/largest-longitudinal-study-of-human-flourishing-ever-shows-religions-importance/

Young People and Unhappiness:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/young-people-global-unhappiness/682632/

Tiktok Trend "Jesus Glow:"

https://www.salon.com/2025/05/05/tiktoks-jesus-glow-trend-exposes-the-emptiness-of-social-media-religion/

Other Resources:

Becoming the Pastor's Wife: How Marriage Replaced Ordination as a Woman's Path to Ministry by Beth Allison Barr: https://a.co/d/7kDNo1I

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A slate of new articles analyzes Pope Francis through America's progressive-conservative polarization, but are they confusing political categories with theological ones? Surprising data show that Gen Z is returning to religion, and belief in an afterlife is on the rise, but what's the explanation? Are young people returning to the church to rebel against their secular parents? Former Ohio Governor John Kasich believes America is on the cusp of a spiritual revival, and his new book, "Heaven Help Us," explores how religious institutions are leading the way. He talks to Skye about how God used tragedy to awaken his own faith, and why he thinks this present era of greed and cowardice will pass. Also this week—a bunny, a Boeing, and a Bible illustration.

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2:40 - Theme Song

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6:22 - Rare Rabbit Strike!

14:10 - Progressive Christians and the Pope

21:50 - What Even is Progressive Christianity?

32:44 - Is Gen Z Becoming Religious?

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53:50 - Interview

56:15 - Kasich's Testimony

1:03:15 - Institutions to Help the Individual

1:11:30 - Religious Division

1:22:00 - What Will Kasich Do Next?

1:28:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Rabbit in a Jet Engine!

https://people.com/rabbit-causes-fire-on-united-airlines-flight-after-animal-is-sucked-into-engine-11716879

The Atlantic Article on Progressive Christianity Post-Pope: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/pope-francis-future-church/682543/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=flipboard&utm_campaign=ideas

The New York Times Article on Progressive Christianity Post-Pope:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/24/us/pope-christians.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=newyorktimes/magazine/U.S

Belief in an Afterlife is Increasing:

https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/belief-in-an-afterlife-is-increasing

Other Resources:

Heaven Help Us: How Faith Communities Inspire Hope, Strengthen Neighborhoods, and Build the Future by John Kasich: https://a.co/d/dKAgkBj

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Pope Francis died on Monday. Will the Catholic Church continue to move in the direction of inclusion and reform, or will it elect a more traditional leader in reaction to the last papacy? Mike Cosper is back to talk about his new podcast from Christianity Today about the Satanic Panic, "Devil and the Deep Blue Sea." In the 1980s and 90s, the FBI investigated 11,000 reports of satanic ritual abuse, but did not uncover a single credible story. So, why were parents throughout the country worried that heavy metal music, board games, and the Smurfs would lead their kids into devil-worshipping cults? Cosper explains how hucksters leveraged fears over cultural change to create mass hysteria, and why lessons from the Satanic Panic are still relevant today. Also this week, Medieval art reveals the sounds and smells of hell.

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3:50 - Theme Song

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12:12 - News of the Butt, Medieval Art Edition

18:46 - Bosch Painting Translated into Music

24:24 - The Legacy of the Pope

32:35 - America vs. The Pope

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42:00 - Interview

46:23 - Why's the Satanic Panic Relevant?

53:00 - What is the Satanic Panic?

1:01:03 - Hucksters Behind It

1:11:09 - Did People Want it to Be True?

1:28:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Reddit Discusses Medieval Face-Butts:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Medievalart/comments/rly22w/can_someone_please_explain_why_medieval_artwork/

Bosch Painting Translated to Music

https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/periods-genres/renaissance/hieronymus-bosch-painting-naked-bum-music/

Other Resources:

Devil and the Deep Blue Sea from Christianity Today:

https://pod.link/1778512810

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It's Holy Week, and an article in the New York Times argues that Palm Sunday wasn't a worship procession; it was a protest march. With that theme in mind, Christians held peaceful rallies over the weekend in Philadelphia and San Diego to protest inhumane immigration enforcement policies, including the order allowing government agents into churches during worship gatherings to arrest people. Skye talks to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) about how her faith informs her politics, what lessons the Democrats have learned from their losses in 2024, and why more religious Americans view her party's brand as "toxic." Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn then debrief the interview and discuss whether the Democrats' struggle is just messaging or something deeper. Also this week: the problem with purple.

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7:15 - Purple Isn't Real?

17:40 - Christians Protesting ICE

25:05 - Was Palm Sunday a Protest?

34:50 - Why're We Interviewing a Senator?

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38:05 - Interview

43:50 - Is the Republican Party Faith-Driven?

53:05 - Is the Democratic Brand Toxic?

1:10:30 - Debrief

1:16:20 - Trump Administration Holy Week Statement

1:28:45 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

World Relief:

https://www.worldrelief.com/advocate

Purple Isn't Real!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a64393667/purple-is-fake/

Faith Groups Protest Ice:

https://religionnews.com/2025/04/07/pennsylvania-faith-groups-build-altar-at-ice-office-in-protest-of-immigration-arrests/?utm_medium=social

Palm Sunday was a Protest, Not a Procession:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/opinion/palm-sunday-protest.html?searchResultPosition=5

White House Presidential Holy Week Message

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/04/presidential-message-on-holy-week-2025/

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Donald Trump launched a global trade war because he thinks America's trade deficit makes us "losers," but does he even understand what a trade deficit is? Phil introduces a new segment full of statistics that make Kaitlyn and Skye groan. And they discuss David Brooks' new article in The Atlantic, which compares this moment in U.S. history to the era of Andrew Jackson, and offers hope for what may come after MAGA. Skye interviews Jonathan Rauch about his new book, "Cross Purposes." Rauch, an atheist, says his antagonism toward Christianity changed when he came to see how vital it is to American democracy and why evangelicals' failure to follow Jesus is putting the whole country at risk.

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3:05 - Theme Song

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7:12 - Stock Market Crash!

15:49 - How Idols Steal from Us

20:36 - DEI Removal

27:50 - Nihilism

41:20 - How Do Things Get Better?

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50:30 - Interview

55:04 - Secularization's Consequences

1:06:22 - Christianity as an Exilic Religion

1:15:20 - Evangelism as Market-Driven Religion

1:26:52 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

David Brooks Article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/05/trumpism-maga-populism-power-pursuit/682116/

Other Resources:

Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy by Jonathan Rauch:

https://a.co/d/8Zl4bvs

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