The Homeboy Way

In the late 1980s, a young social worker in Watts kept hearing she had to meet a priest in Boyle Heights. She didn't like priests. She didn't like religion. But she finally made the call.

What happened in that first meeting, and in the decades that followed, changed how Dr. Jorja Leap saw gangs, research, and her own life.

In this episode of The Homeboy Way, Tom Vozzo, former CEO of Homeboy Industries, sits down with Jorja, a UCLA professor, longtime friend of Father Greg Boyle, and a self-described "Homeboy elder." She takes us back to a time when there was no Homeboy, when a city was afraid, and when almost no one believed in the people Greg did. She shares what she discovered by simply showing up, why funders and government kept Homeboy at arm's length, and what she'd tell any nonprofit fighting for support.

She also gets personal about how Homeboy became her chosen family, a woman who has stayed in her heart for years, and the one time she and Fr. Greg really fought.

Key Takeaways

• Violence is multifaceted, so the response has to be too. 

  Jorja compares gang violence to cancer: cutting out the tumor never worked on its own. She says no single approach, and no "typical" gang member, exists. 

• Relationships were the intervention. 

  Her early research at Homeboy found that no specific strategy explained the results. Community, transferable skills, and seeing other former gang members succeed gave people the confidence to believe they could change too. 

• Relapse is part of the process, not a failure. 

  Jorja prefers "relapse" to "recidivism" and describes people as "struggling," not failing. She advises nonprofits to put a comma in place of the period: "We have an 18-month program, and very few people make it through the first time." 

• Bring in a researcher early, but don't let a rigid funder rewrite your mission. 

  She urges nonprofits to partner with a university researcher early and often. She and Tom also criticize control groups that deny services to people in need, and she argues that if a funder insists on one, "you don't want their money."  

• Homeboy never gives up on anyone. 

  Jorja describes a woman she has watched at Homeboy since 2008 who is still struggling and still trying. To her, that is what Homeboy stands for: hope, not just success. 

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [01:32] Meeting Father Greg before Homeboy existed

• [03:37] The "super predator" myth

• [06:40] Why violence is multifaceted

• [11:40] Pitching Fr. Greg on research

• [14:48] Relapse, not recidivism

• [18:07] What the research found: relationships

• [21:05] The study's results

• [23:06] Why foundations hesitated

• [26:37] LA County, the "bad boyfriend"

• [30:28] Advice for nonprofits

• [31:40] The trouble with control groups

• [35:19] Explaining an 18-month program

• [36:28] How Homeboy changed Jorja

• [41:20] Being Fr. Greg’s friend 

• [43:24] Closing 

Notable Quotes

• "The effectiveness was based on relationships." - Jorja Leap [00:18:18]

• "Homeboy never gives up on anyone." - Jorja Leap [00:39:50] 

• "Greg Boyle has taught me in the purest sense, the meaning of unconditional love." - Jorja [42:32] 

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Jorja Leap

• https://luskin.ucla.edu/profile/jorja-leap/

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorja-leap-a30a451a5/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

What do you do when you're tired of the life you're living but have no idea where to start? Paradise Adamson asked that question in a prayer on a dirt hillside beside the freeway, at what she calls her rock bottom. What followed was an arrest over a missing TAP card, time in county jail and in treatment, and a string of people telling her she should check out Homeboy.

In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Paradise, now a navigator at Homeboy Industries who went through the 18-month trainee program herself. She shares how she went from rock bottom to walking through Homeboy's doors for the first time. She talks about what it meant to be honest in an interview when every past job had taught her to hold something back, and how she learned to treat anger as a signal instead of a flaw. She also explains why she believes healing works best as a toolbox rather than a single fix, and what it takes to guide new trainees through the same fears she once had.

Her story is a reminder that transformation doesn't require a plan. It can begin with showing up, telling the truth, and letting yourself be accepted as you are.

Key Takeaways

• Sometimes the hardest part is finding a starting point. 

  Paradise reflects on reaching rock bottom and struggling to figure out where to begin. Homeboy became the opportunity she had been praying for. 

• Honesty was the game changer. 

  She feared that being open about her past would work against her. At Homeboy it was exactly what was asked of her, and she says being that honest for the first time gave her room to grow. 

• Addiction takes many forms. 

  Paradise learned that anything not used in moderation can become an addiction, including anger, harsh self-talk, and even depression. 

• Grief isn't something to stop; it's something to carry well. 

  She doesn't try to stop missing her loved ones. She focuses on how she represents them. 

• Healing is a toolbox. 

  Rather than expecting one class or one insight to fix everything, Paradise takes what fits from each and leaves the rest. 

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [01:00] A prayer near the train tracks, and an arrest over a TAP card

• [04:24] Hearing about Homeboy in jail and in treatment

• [06:27] Showing up for intake and interview

• [07:10] Being honest about her past for the first time

• [08:38] Celebrating one year of sobriety at Homeboy

• [10:09] What was different about this prayer

• [13:15] Learning through hardship and changing how she prays for her siblings

• [14:42] Advice for avoiding addiction: everything in moderation

• [16:04] Why she vents out loud in the morning

• [17:41] Being tired of the life and having no starting point

• [19:23] Still working on her emotions as a trainee

• [20:58] Understanding anger as a secondary emotion

• [22:01] Embracing grief instead of trying to stop it

• [23:26] Building a toolbox from Homeboy's classes

• [24:15] Working in the Homeboy Cafe

• [26:05] Why trainees should embrace the social enterprises

• [27:11] What keeps her grounded

• [27:48] Why navigator may be the hardest job at Homeboy

• [29:23] Where she sees herself in the next few years

• [30:31] What Father Greg means to her 

Notable Quotes

• "If I'm always pretending, then I can never authentically grow." - Paradise [09:26] 

• "Anything that's not used in moderation could become addiction." - Paradise [15:04] 

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

After surviving a brain hemorrhage and facing stage-four metastatic cancer, Fr. Frank Buckley, S.J. describes the past year as both the hardest and the best of his life. His experience revealed something he had spent years searching for: God was not somewhere “out there.” God was already present within him, and in the people surrounding him at Homeboy Industries.

In this deeply personal conversation, Tom Vozzo is joined by Mikala Rahn, Fr. Frank Buckley, S.J., and Mary Ellen Burton to explore how Homeboy Industries has transformed their understanding of God, faith, and unconditional love. Mikala shares why curiosity protects us from judgment and how loving ourselves is inseparable from accepting God’s love. Mary Ellen reflects on arriving at Homeboy broken, being welcomed into the community, and discovering a God who is “relaxed and smiling.”

Together, they examine faith in action, the relationship between suffering and joy, and the difference between helping people and walking alongside them in kinship. They also discuss spiritual doubt, contemplative practice, cherished belonging, and why Homeboy can feel more like church than church itself. This episode is an honest exploration of what becomes possible when faith moves beyond belief and becomes a way of being with others.

Key Takeaways

• God can be found in the chaos.

  Homeboy Industries may not look peaceful from the outside, but its relationships reveal a deeply present, loving, and nonjudgmental God.

• Accepting God’s love requires self-love.

  Believing that God loves us unconditionally is only part of the journey. We must also confront the barriers that prevent us from loving ourselves.

• Kinship is different from rescuing people.

  The goal is not to fix or save someone. It is to stand beside them and allow both people to be changed through the relationship.

• Homeboy offers a different model of leadership.

  Humble leadership is rooted in relationships, openness, and a willingness to be corrected while staying grounded in the mission.

In This Episode

• [00:00] Introduction to The Homeboy Way

• [01:28] How Homeboy changed Mikala’s understanding of God

• [03:25] Mary Ellen arrives at Homeboy broken and finds love

• [04:18] Discovering a God who is relaxed and smiling

• [08:35] Fr. Frank’s hardest and best year

• [10:58] Experiencing the kingdom of God in a Homeboy classroom

• [11:38] A God too busy loving us to judge us

• [13:05] Finding unexpected joy after a devastating diagnosis

• [14:01] The dream that changed Fr. Frank’s surgery experience

• [19:04] The daily practices that keep Mary Ellen grounded

• [20:19] Finding Jesus in Homeboy’s “secure village”

• [21:46] Why Homeboy can feel more powerful than Sunday church

• [24:40] Mikala receives an unexpected “ticket to heaven”

• [27:13] Why suffering and resurrection belong together

• [28:13] Cherished belonging and the Homeboy model of healing

• [36:38] Fr. Richard Rohr, Henri Nouwen, Rumi, and belovedness

• [38:15] Finding spiritual teachers in everyday life

Notable Quotes

• “All you need to do in this life is take in that you are beloved and support anybody who comes across your path in taking that in for themselves.” - Mary Ellen Burton [05:39]

• “At Homeboy, we learn to meet what Fr. Greg says, ‘A God who is way too busy loving us to judge us.’” - Fr. Frank Buckley, S.J. [11:38]

• “I’m a kinship person. I wanna be with someone so that I’m transformed as much as they’re transformed.” - Mikala Rahn [26:14]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

What does it take to rebuild your life after prison, addiction, grief, and years of being told you will never change? For Nickloos Tate and Washea Beverly, transformation began when they stopped allowing their pasts to dictate their futures and found a community willing to believe in them.

Nickloos shares how a life-changing question inside prison, “Do you want life, or do you want to live life?”, helped him change direction after 14 years behind bars. Washea opens up about recovery, rebuilding her relationship with her son, and using stand-up comedy to find light in painful experiences.

In this episode of The Homeboy Way, Tom Vozzo and Hector Verdugo explore how Homeboy Industries creates second chances through kinship, accountability, laughter, and unconditional support. Nickloos also performs “Drive to You,” an original song he wrote while incarcerated, and explains why his greatest ambition is helping someone else succeed.

Key Takeaways

• Your past is part of your story, not your identity.

  Nickloos refuses to hide his former gang involvement or incarceration, but he no longer allows those experiences to define the man he is becoming.

• Choosing life requires deciding what to do with it.

  A fellow incarcerated man challenged Nickloos to think beyond getting released and seriously consider what kind of life he wanted to build.

• Recovery begins with honest acceptance.

  Washea explains how accepting the consequences of her past allowed her to stop defending herself and begin moving forward.

• Homeboy Industries welcomes people from every background.

  Washea initially wondered whether she belonged because she had never been in a gang or prison. What she discovered was a community built around love, accountability, and personal transformation.

• Accountability is an expression of love.

  Homeboy does not abandon people when they struggle. It offers correction, another opportunity, and the invitation to return when they are ready.

In This Episode

• [00:00] Introduction

• [03:03] Nickloos Tate’s first days after leaving prison

• [03:35] Meeting Father Greg inside juvenile hall

• [04:47] The handwritten letter that brought Nickloos home

• [05:24] Why Nickloos refuses to hide from his past

• [14:01] Washea Beverly opens up about addiction and her legal cases

• [15:01] Arriving at Homeboy and questioning whether she belonged

• [16:06] Working to rebuild her relationship with her son

• [18:07] Why Nickloos chooses to smile after surviving violence

• [20:51] Washea’s decision to choose peace and light

• [23:00] Teaching her son to remain cautious but lead with love

• [30:17] How Washea became a stand-up comedian

• [32:37] Laughter, accountability, and everyday life at Homeboy

• [40:45] Nickloos’ goal of writing music for other artists

• [42:37] Live performance of “Drive to You”

• [48:09] How Homeboy helped Nickloos rebuild his life

• [55:50] Washea explains what brings her joy

• [56:22] Closing reflections

Notable Quotes

• “My past don’t define who I am, but it also is a reflection of where I came from.” - Nickloos Tate [05:24]

• “I choose to choose peace. I choose the lighter side of life, only because we all go through something.” - Washea Beverly [20:51]

• “You be cautious in this world, but you lead with love, and love will follow you.” - Washea Beverly [23:32]

• “A hand up means I’m just pulling you up and showing you there’s another way to do it.” - Nickloos Tate [41:26]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

Technical team: Ronald Dennison and David Carpinteyro

A life shaped by survival can make change feel almost impossible. Mike Tyson knows that world firsthand. So does Jose Arellano, whose childhood in a multigenerational gang family led him into the streets, juvenile hall, and eventually prison. Miguel Tyson’s story takes a different path, shaped by a mother who taught him through her actions that helping others is a way of living.

When Jose returned home after six years in prison, he was carrying trauma and struggling to adjust to life outside. Then he called Homeboy Industries looking for a job. His past could have closed the door, but instead, it opened one. Even after setbacks, the Homeboy community continued to welcome him back. Today, Jose is the organization's Vice President of Operations and an entrepreneur.

In this episode of The Homeboy Way, Tom Vozzo and co-host Jose Arellano sits down with legendary boxer Mike Tyson and his son Miguel Tyson to talk about the mentors who shaped them, the communities that helped them survive and grow, and the responsibility to give others the opportunities they were given. From boxing and incarceration to service, entrepreneurship, and the new Homeboy gym, their stories come together around a powerful idea: sometimes transformation begins when someone sees possibility in you before you can see it in yourself.

Key Takeaways

• Homeboy becomes a place to rebuild.

  After six years in prison, Jose returned carrying trauma and struggling to adjust, eventually finding his way to Homeboy Industries.

• Second chances require persistence.

  Homeboy welcomes people back even after setbacks and relapse, creating a community where people society has written off are given another opportunity.

• Survival can shape what feels normal.

  Mike and Jose reflect on growing up surrounded by crime, poverty, violence, and environments where survival became the norm.

• A mentor can change a life.

  For Mike, boxing and the mentorship of Bobby Stewart created a path beyond the world he knew.

• Giving creates purpose.

  Mike explains that he started the Tyson Foundation because he wanted to use his reach and resources to do meaningful work and help people.

• Belief can unlock potential.

  Mike argues that helping people believe in themselves, while understanding the value of work, struggle, and sacrifice, can change how they see what is possible.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [00:24] Jose's story: three generations of gang life to incarceration

• [03:11] The phone call that got Jose hired at Homeboy

• [04:23] Jose's path from client to VP of Operations

• [04:47] Mike Tyson on his upbringing and the Tyson Foundation

• [07:45] Mike’s "awakening" moment through boxing

• [08:20] Miguel on discovering Homeboy and starting the gym project

• [11:36] Homeboy's reliance on donor generosity

• [12:19] Mike on poverty as a "frame of mind"

• [13:07] Why even a bad mentor beats no mentor

• [14:55] Miguel on his mother's activism and his global mission work

• [16:56] Giving as self-love

• [18:20] Jose's business, Tepito Coffee, and its meaning

• [19:09] Homeboy's mission: healing, community, and job skills

• [20:04] Closing thanks and reflections on family 

Notable Quotes

• "You only keep what you have by giving it away." — Jose [17:09]

• "Even a bad mentor is better than having no mentor." — Mike Tyson [13:12]

• "Poor is a frame of mind... it's all about believing in yourself." — Mike Tyson [12:41] 

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

What if the most effective response to incarceration, homelessness, and economic instability isn’t another temporary program, but a real job? Carla Javits has spent nearly two decades helping employment social enterprises turn overlooked talent into meaningful work, sustainable businesses, and pathways toward a better life.

In this episode of The Homeboy Way, host Tom Vozzo sits down with Carla to explore how Redefine Alliance, formerly REDF, helped strengthen a national movement of purpose-driven businesses. Carla shares the scale of that impact: 350 social enterprises supported, $4 billion in revenue generated, and 176,000 people employed.

Together, Tom and Carla unpack what it takes to build a viable social enterprise, why employers keep screening out capable people, and how government procurement can create thousands of second-chance jobs. They also discuss Homeboy Industries’ transitional employment model, the value of lived expertise, and why belonging and compassion aren’t just good for people; they’re good for business.

Key Takeaways

• Employment creates a pathway forward.

  Support services matter, but people also need the opportunity to earn income, demonstrate their abilities, and build meaningful lives through work.

• Social enterprise requires a real business model.

  A strong mission cannot rescue an idea with no customers, market, or reliable source of revenue.

• Business and social impact must work together. 

  Successful employment social enterprises balance revenue generation with meaningful support, skill development, and opportunity.

• Clear employment goals shape the entire enterprise.

  Organizations must decide whether they are creating transitional jobs, permanent employment, or another specific pathway for workers.

• Belonging is good business.

  Valuing lived expertise, nurturing employees, and creating a genuine sense of connection can strengthen both people and organizations.

In This Episode

• [00:00] Introduction
• [00:25] Welcoming Carla Javits
• [01:00] Why REDF became Redefine Alliance

• [04:34] The business leaders behind the movement
• [08:50] Has society become more open to second-chance hiring?
• [12:21] 350 enterprises, $4 billion in revenue, and 176,000 jobs
• [14:22] The five pillars of Redefine Alliance’s model
• [16:23] Should a nonprofit start a social enterprise?
• [22:11] Homeboy Industries as a transitional employer
• [23:20] Defining business goals and employment outcomes
• [25:36] Bringing government into the social enterprise ecosystem
• [26:28] The $2.23 societal return for every dollar invested
• [28:24] Why government must define employment social enterprise
• [33:26] The Caltrans partnership creating thousands of jobs
• [34:50] Carla’s first impressions of Homeboy Industries
• [38:42] Why lived experience should be valued as expertise
• [39:38] Carla’s next chapter of service and leadership
• [42:13] Helping people take action instead of accepting doom and gloom

• “Do you really want to run a business? There’s a balance when you run a business. You have to balance the social mission with the revenue generation.” - Carla Javits [16:46]
• “People’s life experiences are a big part of what they bring to any job.” - Carla Javits [38:42]
• “Nurturing people and making them feel that sense of belonging is a good way to run your business.” - Carla Javits [39:19]
• “We need each other. We need the reflection of each other.” - Carla Javits [41:02]

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

For thousands of people, the hardest part of leaving gang life behind isn't deciding to change. It's carrying visible reminders of a past they're trying to escape. Every day at Homeboy Industries, people walk through the tattoo removal clinic hoping for more than a treatment. They're hoping for another chance. Behind that work is a team of 36 volunteer doctors who donate their time to help remove more than 12,000 tattoos every year, making it one of the busiest free tattoo removal clinics in the world.

In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Marvin Kelly, who arrived at Homeboy fresh out of prison and entered its 18-month trainee program before working his way up to lead the organization's tattoo removal department, and Dr. Troy Clarke, a volunteer provider who has spent more than two decades helping people rewrite their futures one tattoo at a time. Together, they share why the clinic has become one of Homeboy's signature programs, how a simple tattoo appointment often opens the door to counseling, education, and employment, and why removing ink is only one part of the healing process.

Their stories reveal that the real transformation isn't what disappears from someone's skin. It's what begins to grow in its place: confidence, dignity, hope, and the belief that the future no longer has to look like the past.

Key Takeaways

• Homeboy opened Marvin's first door. 

  Fresh out of prison, one conversation with Father Greg Boyle led to Marvin's first job and eventually to leading Homeboy's tattoo removal clinic.

• Success comes full circle. 

  Troy says the greatest reward is seeing former clients return as managers, employers, or donors who help the next generation.

• Removing tattoos helps people move forward.

  The goal isn't simply fading ink but removing reminders that keep people tied to their past.

• Healing is a process. 

  Every treatment requires patience, honest conversations, and ongoing support through discomfort and change.

• Change is bigger than appearance.

  One mother shares she's removing her face tattoos to create new opportunities for herself and a better example for her children.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [00:46] Ashley’s story of removing tattoos for herself and her children

• [03:10] Why tattoo removal became one of Homeboy's signature programs

• [04:09] Marvin's journey from prison to leading the clinic

• [05:38] Inside one of the world's busiest free tattoo removal clinics

• [06:39] Troy on why he joined Homeboy more than 20 years ago

• [07:47] Creating a place where everyone feels welcome

• [08:39] How tattoo removal introduces people to Homeboy's other services

• [10:33] Why removing one tattoo can change a life

• [11:45] "It hurts more to keep it on."

• [13:05] The emotional process of deciding which tattoos to remove

• [14:55] Success stories that keep the team motivated

• [16:01] Why every treatment is completely free

• [17:22] Working with court-ordered youth

• [19:49] How laser tattoo removal actually works

• [23:59] Why Homeboy's clinic is different from private providers

• [26:03] Former clients helping today's participants

• [26:32] What gives Marvin and Troy hope 

Notable Quotes

• "You realize it's more than just taking the tattoo off; it's helping them move forward their life." — Tom [28:47]

• “It hurts more to keep it on."—Troy [11:46]

• “We mainly focus on the visible and like gang-related tattoos. Not no girlfriend, boyfriend name.”— Marvin [12:21]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

Tom Vozzo arrived at Homeboy Industries from the corporate world expecting to bring his experience, solve problems, and help stabilize an organization facing a financial crisis. What he didn't expect was how much Homeboy would change the way he understood leadership.

In this episode of The Homeboy Way, Daniel Martinez and George Nunez turn the tables on Tom, asking about the transition that forced him to slow down, listen, and learn from the people around him. Tom reflects on sitting in Homeboy's daily council meetings and realizing that the answers he would have given in the corporate world often looked completely different from the solutions rooted in kinship, grace, and care.

George opens up about initially judging Tom when he returned to Homeboy after 11 years in prison, only to change his mind after watching Tom's actions and seeing how deeply he cared about the people at Homeboy. Daniel recalls the quieter ways Tom showed up, including helping Father Greg Boyle during the pandemic.

The conversation also explores faith, burnout, family, taking time away from work, and Tom's vision for Homeboy Media. At its heart, this is a story about showing up without needing the spotlight and letting your actions prove why you're there.

Key Takeaways

• Coming to Homeboy to help.

  Tom left the corporate world and came to Homeboy during a financial crisis, knowing decisions had to be made before he fully understood what made the organization successful.

• Leadership without ego.

  Tom saw the timing of his arrival as an advantage. He wasn't there to make a name for himself. He was there to help.

• Learning from your mistakes.

  After returning from 11 years in prison, George reflects on judging Tom and the importance of holding himself accountable for his thought process.

• Finding faith at Homeboy.

  Tom says his spirituality deepened at Homeboy through listening, asking questions, and learning from Father Greg.

• Carrying the work home.

  The care, stress, and trauma involved in helping people at Homeboy can make it difficult to leave work behind at the end of the day.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction and role reversal

• [00:39] Transitioning from corporate to Homeboy

• [01:54] Learning the Homeboy way

• [04:25] Accepting a new leader

• [05:34] Overcoming initial judgment

• [07:05] Tom's motivation and perspective

• [09:26] Navigating the pandemic

• [11:42] Tom's upbringing and values

• [12:32] Finding spirituality at Homeboy

• [13:17] Work-life balance challenges

• [16:00] The importance of taking breaks

• [17:03] Health and favorite foods

• [17:43] The future of Homeboy Media

• [19:12] Closing gratitude

Notable Quotes

• “The transition was hard. I didn't know what I was getting myself into.” — Tom Vozzo [00:57]

• “I came to Homeboy to help.” — Tom Vozzo [05:23]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

Joey Ray, (Joseph Raymond Lucero), never expected his life to take him from a California Youth Authority facility to a Hollywood film set. But a chance encounter with Father Greg Boyle in prison, and a program called Criminals and Gang Members Anonymous, set him on a path toward Homeboy Industries, sobriety, and eventually an acting career.

In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Joey to explore the long road from prison to purpose. Joey reflects on how Criminals and Gang Members Anonymous helped him understand gang life as an addiction, why becoming a father gave him the courage to confront alcoholism, and how learning to love himself transformed every relationship in his life. He also shares the unexpected path that led him into acting, the lessons he's carried from Homeboy Industries, and why being transparent about his past has become one of his greatest strengths.

Together, they discuss redemption, recovery, and the power of radical kinship, revealing how lasting change begins when someone believes in you before you're able to believe in yourself.

Key Takeaways

• Gang life was an addiction, not just choices. 

  CGA treats it as a lifestyle addiction rooted in craving respect he lacked at home.

• Change came from refusing to hurt loved ones.

  His son bailing him out of jail after his last drink in 2015 was the real turning point.

• Presence matters more than perfection. 

  He still bumps heads with his daughters, but now he shows up, including finally making   amends to Tom.

• Survival instincts explain behavior, they don't excuse it. 

  Hustling and stress from tough circumstances shape actions, but real harm still needs accountability.

• Fatherhood forced honest change. 

  He admits he'd grown okay with chaos until his son's existence pushed him to stop.

• Faith survived hardship. 

  After being shot four times and stabbed, he never blamed God, believing Homeboy was his purpose.

In This Episode:

• [00:02] Introduction

• [00:45] Joey makes amends to Tom

• [02:19] Meeting Father Greg in prison

• [03:28] What is CGA, and gang life as addiction

• [07:37] Getting hired by Father Greg

• [08:42] Moving to LA, becoming a father

• [09:26] Early days at Homeboy in Boyle Heights

• [11:13] Balancing two families, two cities

• [11:38] Becoming a public speaker for Homeboy

• [15:39] Continued struggles with alcohol

• [16:36] The moment his son confronted him

• [18:01] Learning to love himself

• [22:25] Loss within the Homeboy community

• [24:28] How he broke into acting

• [26:22] Getting "discovered" on set

• [29:02] What he loves about acting

• [33:37] Being named Homeboy Hero at Lo Máximo

• [36:26] Spirituality and faith

• [39:20] What he's hopeful for

Notable Quotes

• "You gotta love yourself before they can love others." — Joey Ray [19:48]

• "The moment you really start living for yourself, you're actually able to be there for everybody else." — Joey Ray [18:01]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media

Kabira Stokes never planned to become an entrepreneur. After 9/11, she became an anti-war activist, searching for ways to create meaningful change. That journey led her from city government and criminal justice policy into an unexpected realization: instead of waiting for policy to create opportunities, she could create jobs herself.

In this episode, Tom Vozzo sits down with Kabira Stokes to explore the intersection of justice, business, and community. Kabira shares how founding Isidore Recycling eventually became Homeboy Recycling, why hiring people returning from incarceration isn't charity but smart business, and how entrepreneurship can become a powerful vehicle for second chances.

Together, they reflect on the evolution of Homeboy Recycling from a small startup generating $650,000 in revenue to a thriving, multimillion-dollar enterprise that creates meaningful employment for people rebuilding their lives. Kabira also discusses why local action creates lasting change, how community gives people hope, and why businesses have a responsibility to see potential where others only see a criminal record.

Key Takeaways

• One conversation can spark a movement

  A simple conversation about recycling eventually became Homeboy Recycling, proving big ideas often begin with small moments.

• Partnerships create greater impact

  Homeboy helped scale the business with funding, wraparound services, and a shared commitment to second chances.

• People deserve opportunities, not labels

  With the right support, people returning from incarceration become dependable employees and future leaders.

• Business can be a force for good

  A successful company can deliver excellent service while creating meaningful employment for people rebuilding their lives.

• Transformation is the real measure of success

  The greatest achievement isn't revenue, it's watching employees build lasting careers, stability, and hope for the future.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [01:10] First Homeboy encounter

• [02:05] 9/11 to activism

• [04:25] Faith and justice roots

• [05:15] Inside city government

• [07:10] Studying prisons and reentry

• [09:10] Launching Isidore Recycling

• [12:15] Joining forces with Homeboy

• [15:30] Social enterprise realities

• [18:00] Hiring stories that matter

• [21:00] How to hire returning citizens

• [22:15] New York and the next chapter

• [25:15] Local change and community

• [28:05] Why recycle with Homeboy

• [28:50] Closing thanks and farewell

Notable Quotes

• "I guess I could go work for the state and create policy that will create jobs, or I could just create some jobs." — Kabira Stokes [00:10:04]

• “If you're gonna work hard at something, it might as well have real impact.” — Kabira [15:46]

Resources and Links

Homeboy Industries

• https://homeboyindustries.org/

• https://www.youtube.com/@HomeboyIndustries_LA/videos

• Donate: https://homeboyindustries.org/donate/donate-online/

Homeboy Media 

• https://homeboyindustries.org/social-enterprises/homeboy-media/

Thomas Vozzo

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvozzo

• The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X

Credits:

Hosted by: Tom Vozzo

Produced by: Podify, and Alexa Rousso and Melody Carter of Homeboy Media