Slate’s L.V. Anderson interviews Kevin Fanning, VP of Talent & Culture at Cogo Labs, a startup incubator in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and the author of the job search guide, Let's All Find Awesome Jobs. Kevin talks about the difference between recruiting and HR, why he believes people have trouble dealing with problems in the workplace, and the process of firing people.

In a Slate Plus extra, Fanning explains the potential dangers of not having an HR department and the kinds of policies he would implement if money were no object. If you’re a member, enjoy bonus segments and interview transcripts from Working, plus other great podcast exclusives. Start your two-week free trial at slate.com/workingplus.

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