Jim talks with Tyson Yunkaporta—indigenous Australian scholar and author of Sand Talk, one of Jim's top ten favorite books—about his metaphysics and worldview, the ecology of sex and creation, and how to wear rationalist and traditional knowledge frameworks simultaneously.

They discuss:

 	Jim's editorial endorsement of Sand Talk—"one of the top 10 best books I have ever read"
 	Tyson's trilogy of books
 	Humans as a custodial species—sacred carers embedded in nature
 	Who Tyson is when he wakes from deep sleep
 	Tyson's experience under general anesthesia—ten thousand years of deep dark oblivion
 	How Jim shifted Tyson toward rationality and evidence-based thinking
 	Tyson's reassessment of peer review and collective scientific inquiry as similar to Indigenous processes of collective knowledge-building
 	Tyson's late initiation into the Apalech clan
 	The distinction between "knowledge systems" and "knowledge of systems"
 	Color blindness as a biological advantage in traditional systems knowledge
 	What's missing in people who haven't gone through full initiation
 	Men's "belly spirit" (nenwi) and "spirit womb" in the Apalech tradition
 	Images and ghosts—the shadow spirit as ego, and how infinite self-replication on social media drains the spirit
 	Tyson's cousin Eric becoming a viral meme and TikTok phenomenon
 	Forager social operating systems and mechanisms to prevent dominant individuals
 	Aboriginal law's three core rights
 	Sex as the center of everything
 	Tyson's response to Plato's Cave
 	Dreamtime and songlines as mistranslations
 	Dreamtime as not an altered state but a continuous orientation
 	The irony of mutual influence—Tyson becoming a rationalist skeptic partly through Jim; Jim becoming more open to spirit partly through Tyson
 	The 3D glasses metaphor for wearing Indigenous and rationalist-materialist lenses simultaneously

… and much more.

Links

 	Episode Transcript
 	Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us, by Tyson Yunkaporta and Megan Kelleher
 	Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta
 	Right Story, Wrong Story, by Tyson Yunkaporta
 	JRS EP 282 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Law, Lore, and Learning
 	JRS Currents 032 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB & Protopias
 	JRS EP 65 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Complexity
 	JRS EP 66 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Knowledge
 	JRS Currents 010 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans As Custodial Species
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt

Bio

Dr. Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk; Right Story, Wrong Story; and Snake Talk. His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.

Jim talks with Tyson Yunkaporta—indigenous Australian scholar and author of Sand Talk, one of Jim's top ten favorite books—about his metaphysics and worldview, the ecology of sex and creation, and how to wear rationalist and traditional knowledge frameworks simultaneously. They discuss: Jim's editorial endorsement of Sand Talk—"one of the top 10 best books I have ever read" Tyson's trilogy of books Humans as a custodial species—sacred carers embedded in nature Who Tyson is when he wakes from deep sleep Tyson's experience under general anesthesia—ten thousand years of deep dark oblivion How Jim shifted Tyson toward rationality and evidence-based thinking Tyson's reassessment of peer review and collective scientific inquiry as similar to Indigenous processes of collective knowledge-building Tyson's late initiation into the Apalech clan The distinction between "knowledge systems" and "knowledge of systems" Color blindness as a biological advantage in traditional systems knowledge What's missing in people who haven't gone through full initiation Men's "belly spirit" (nenwi) and "spirit womb" in the Apalech tradition Images and ghosts—the shadow spirit as ego, and how infinite self-replication on social media drains the spirit Tyson's cousin Eric becoming a viral meme and TikTok phenomenon Forager social operating systems and mechanisms to prevent dominant individuals Aboriginal law's three core rights Sex as the center of everything Tyson's response to Plato's Cave Dreamtime and songlines as mistranslations Dreamtime as not an altered state but a continuous orientation The irony of mutual influence—Tyson becoming a rationalist skeptic partly through Jim; Jim becoming more open to spirit partly through Tyson The 3D glasses metaphor for wearing Indigenous and rationalist-materialist lenses simultaneously … and much more. Links Episode Transcript Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us, by Tyson Yunkaporta and Megan Kelleher Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta Right Story, Wrong Story, by Tyson Yunkaporta JRS EP 282 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Law, Lore, and Learning JRS Currents 032 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB & Protopias JRS EP 65 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Complexity JRS EP 66 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Knowledge JRS Currents 010 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans As Custodial Species "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt Bio Dr. Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk; Right Story, Wrong Story; and Snake Talk. His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.

Jim talks with Tyson Yunkaporta—indigenous Australian scholar and author of Sand Talk, one of Jim's top ten favorite books—about his metaphysics and worldview, the ecology of sex and creation, and how to wear rationalist and traditional knowledge frameworks simultaneously.

They discuss:

 	Jim's editorial endorsement of Sand Talk—"one of the top 10 best books I have ever read"
 	Tyson's trilogy of books
 	Humans as a custodial species—sacred carers embedded in nature
 	Who Tyson is when he wakes from deep sleep
 	Tyson's experience under general anesthesia—ten thousand years of deep dark oblivion
 	How Jim shifted Tyson toward rationality and evidence-based thinking
 	Tyson's reassessment of peer review and collective scientific inquiry as similar to Indigenous processes of collective knowledge-building
 	Tyson's late initiation into the Apalech clan
 	The distinction between "knowledge systems" and "knowledge of systems"
 	Color blindness as a biological advantage in traditional systems knowledge
 	What's missing in people who haven't gone through full initiation
 	Men's "belly spirit" (nenwi) and "spirit womb" in the Apalech tradition
 	Images and ghosts—the shadow spirit as ego, and how infinite self-replication on social media drains the spirit
 	Tyson's cousin Eric becoming a viral meme and TikTok phenomenon
 	Forager social operating systems and mechanisms to prevent dominant individuals
 	Aboriginal law's three core rights
 	Sex as the center of everything
 	Tyson's response to Plato's Cave
 	Dreamtime and songlines as mistranslations
 	Dreamtime as not an altered state but a continuous orientation
 	The irony of mutual influence—Tyson becoming a rationalist skeptic partly through Jim; Jim becoming more open to spirit partly through Tyson
 	The 3D glasses metaphor for wearing Indigenous and rationalist-materialist lenses simultaneously

… and much more.

Links

 	Episode Transcript
 	Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us, by Tyson Yunkaporta and Megan Kelleher
 	Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta
 	Right Story, Wrong Story, by Tyson Yunkaporta
 	JRS EP 282 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Law, Lore, and Learning
 	JRS Currents 032 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB &amp; Protopias
 	JRS EP 65 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Complexity
 	JRS EP 66 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Knowledge
 	JRS Currents 010 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans As Custodial Species
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt

Bio

Dr. Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk; Right Story, Wrong Story; and Snake Talk.&nbsp;His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.

EP 345 Worldviews: Tyson Yunkaporta on Ceremony, Skepticism, and Seeing in 3D

In a special edition of the new Worldviews series, Brendan Graham Dempsey asks Jim about his life and worldview using a faith development interview. They discuss Jim's life chapters from growing up through becoming a complexity guy and GameB advocate, his age 11 epiphany that religion is bullshit after researching world religions at the library, the formative influence of his wife and parents who built lives from poverty, his realization that exponential growth on a finite planet driven by advertising and economic systems is destructive, understanding the limits of knowledge through complexity science and rejecting naive Newtonianism, his three core values of human well-being, ecological richness, and preserving humanity's path to bring the universe to life, the belief that humans may be the only general intelligence in the universe, the sacred as high-dimensional experiences that can't be explained scientifically, the importance of humility given how often we're wrong, the decision-making method of studying enough for a bullshitter's understanding then walking until reaching a conclusion, utilitarian deontology, human life as a leaf node on the tree of emergence, language and science as major transitions with AI as a potential third, disbelief in the supernatural, explaining evil through game theory, psychopathy as evil by nature, humans as mesoscale entities, a universe fine-tuned for emergence, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	Institute of Applied Metatheory
 	A God That Could be Real: Spirituality, Science, and the Future of Our Planet, by Nancy Ellen Abrams

Brendan Graham Dempsey is Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory, where he studies the complexification of worldviews and human meaning-making systems across scales. He holds an advanced degree from Yale University, where he studied religion and culture. His books include Emergentism: A Religion of Complexity for the Metamodern World and the multi-volume Evolution of Meaning series. He is Managing Editor of Integration: The Journal of Big Picture Theory and Practice and a founding editor of Metamodern Theory & Praxis.

In a special edition of the new Worldviews series, Brendan Graham Dempsey asks Jim about his life and worldview using a faith development interview. They discuss Jim's life chapters from growing up through becoming a complexity guy and GameB advocate, his age 11 epiphany that religion is bullshit after researching world religions at the library, the formative influence of his wife and parents who built lives from poverty, his realization that exponential growth on a finite planet driven by advertising and economic systems is destructive, understanding the limits of knowledge through complexity science and rejecting naive Newtonianism, his three core values of human well-being, ecological richness, and preserving humanity's path to bring the universe to life, the belief that humans may be the only general intelligence in the universe, the sacred as high-dimensional experiences that can't be explained scientifically, the importance of humility given how often we're wrong, the decision-making method of studying enough for a bullshitter's understanding then walking until reaching a conclusion, utilitarian deontology, human life as a leaf node on the tree of emergence, language and science as major transitions with AI as a potential third, disbelief in the supernatural, explaining evil through game theory, psychopathy as evil by nature, humans as mesoscale entities, a universe fine-tuned for emergence, and much more. Episode Transcript Institute of Applied Metatheory A God That Could be Real: Spirituality, Science, and the Future of Our Planet, by Nancy Ellen Abrams Brendan Graham Dempsey is Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory, where he studies the complexification of worldviews and human meaning-making systems across scales. He holds an advanced degree from Yale University, where he studied religion and culture. His books include Emergentism: A Religion of Complexity for the Metamodern World and the multi-volume Evolution of Meaning series. He is Managing Editor of Integration: The Journal of Big Picture Theory and Practice and a founding editor of Metamodern Theory & Praxis.

In a special edition of the new Worldviews series, Brendan Graham Dempsey asks Jim about his life and worldview using a faith development interview. They discuss Jim's life chapters from growing up through becoming a complexity guy and GameB advocate, his age 11 epiphany that religion is bullshit after researching world religions at the library, the formative influence of his wife and parents who built lives from poverty, his realization that exponential growth on a finite planet driven by advertising and economic systems is destructive, understanding the limits of knowledge through complexity science and rejecting naive Newtonianism, his three core values of human well-being, ecological richness, and preserving humanity's path to bring the universe to life, the belief that humans may be the only general intelligence in the universe, the sacred as high-dimensional experiences that can't be explained scientifically, the importance of humility given how often we're wrong, the decision-making method of studying enough for a bullshitter's understanding then walking until reaching a conclusion, utilitarian deontology, human life as a leaf node on the tree of emergence, language and science as major transitions with AI as a potential third, disbelief in the supernatural, explaining evil through game theory, psychopathy as evil by nature, humans as mesoscale entities, a universe fine-tuned for emergence, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	Institute of Applied Metatheory
 	A God That Could be Real: Spirituality, Science, and the Future of Our Planet, by Nancy Ellen Abrams

Brendan Graham Dempsey&nbsp;is Director of Research at the&nbsp;Institute of Applied Metatheory, where he studies the complexification of worldviews and human meaning-making systems across scales.&nbsp;He holds an advanced degree from Yale University, where he studied religion and culture.&nbsp;His books include&nbsp;Emergentism: A Religion of Complexity for the Metamodern World&nbsp;and the multi-volume Evolution of Meaning series. He is Managing Editor of Integration: The Journal of Big Picture Theory and Practice and a founding editor of Metamodern Theory &amp; Praxis.

EP 332 Worldviews: Jim Rutt

Jim talks with Michael Shermer about his worldview and his new book, Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters. They discuss Michael's self-identification as a monist and realist who believes in a physical objective world, the concept of fallibilism, intersubjective verification of the interobjective, reliance on authorities and institutions, the battle between the book of authority versus the book of nature, balancing rationality with empiricism, the dependence of mathematical truths on axioms, January 6 as an example of people acting rationally on false beliefs, Shermer's journey from born-again Christian to atheist and Jim's opposite journey from Catholicism to atheism, treating religious literature like great literature with deeper truths, the study of consciousness and the hard problem versus the easy problem, separating intelligence from consciousness, consciousness as a biological process like digestion, the question of machine sentience, a critique of Donald Hoffman's interface theory, evidence for veridical perception through mimicry in nature and animals climbing trees, skepticism about brain-in-a-vat and simulation scenarios, minimum viable metaphysics, Thomas Nagel's concept of one thought too many, Jonathan Rauch's constitution of knowledge, the replication crisis in psychology, the breakdown of trust in institutions due to COVID and the noble lie, the problem of scaling laws with followership, moral realism and the survival and flourishing of sentient beings, the principle of interchangeable perspectives, discovering moral values through problem-solving, the evolution of ethics and the expanding moral sphere, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters, by Michael Shermer
 	The Michael Shermer Show
 	Why People Believe Weird Things, by Michael Shermer
 	The Believing Brain, by Michael Shermer
 	Why Darwin Matters, by Michael Shermer
 	The Science of Good and Evil, by Michael Shermer
 	Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational, by Michael Shermer
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt
 	JRS EP 287 - Jonathan Rauch on the Epistemic Crisis

Dr. Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show. For 30 years he taught college and university courses in critical thinking, and for 18 years he was a monthly columnist for Scientific American. He is the author of New York Times bestsellers Why People Believe Weird Things and The Believing Brain, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, The Moral Arc, Heavens on Earth, Giving the Devil His Due, and Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational. His new book is Truth: What it is, How to Find it, Why it Still Matters. Follow him on X @michaelshermer.

Jim talks with Michael Shermer about his worldview and his new book, Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters. They discuss Michael's self-identification as a monist and realist who believes in a physical objective world, the concept of fallibilism, intersubjective verification of the interobjective, reliance on authorities and institutions, the battle between the book of authority versus the book of nature, balancing rationality with empiricism, the dependence of mathematical truths on axioms, January 6 as an example of people acting rationally on false beliefs, Shermer's journey from born-again Christian to atheist and Jim's opposite journey from Catholicism to atheism, treating religious literature like great literature with deeper truths, the study of consciousness and the hard problem versus the easy problem, separating intelligence from consciousness, consciousness as a biological process like digestion, the question of machine sentience, a critique of Donald Hoffman's interface theory, evidence for veridical perception through mimicry in nature and animals climbing trees, skepticism about brain-in-a-vat and simulation scenarios, minimum viable metaphysics, Thomas Nagel's concept of one thought too many, Jonathan Rauch's constitution of knowledge, the replication crisis in psychology, the breakdown of trust in institutions due to COVID and the noble lie, the problem of scaling laws with followership, moral realism and the survival and flourishing of sentient beings, the principle of interchangeable perspectives, discovering moral values through problem-solving, the evolution of ethics and the expanding moral sphere, and much more. Episode Transcript Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters, by Michael Shermer The Michael Shermer Show Why People Believe Weird Things, by Michael Shermer The Believing Brain, by Michael Shermer Why Darwin Matters, by Michael Shermer The Science of Good and Evil, by Michael Shermer Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational, by Michael Shermer "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt JRS EP 287 - Jonathan Rauch on the Epistemic Crisis Dr. Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show. For 30 years he taught college and university courses in critical thinking, and for 18 years he was a monthly columnist for Scientific American. He is the author of New York Times bestsellers Why People Believe Weird Things and The Believing Brain, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, The Moral Arc, Heavens on Earth, Giving the Devil His Due, and Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational. His new book is Truth: What it is, How to Find it, Why it Still Matters. Follow him on X @michaelshermer.

Jim talks with Michael Shermer about his worldview and his new book, Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters. They discuss Michael's self-identification as a monist and realist who believes in a physical objective world, the concept of fallibilism, intersubjective verification of the interobjective, reliance on authorities and institutions, the battle between the book of authority versus the book of nature, balancing rationality with empiricism, the dependence of mathematical truths on axioms, January 6 as an example of people acting rationally on false beliefs, Shermer's journey from born-again Christian to atheist and Jim's opposite journey from Catholicism to atheism, treating religious literature like great literature with deeper truths, the study of consciousness and the hard problem versus the easy problem, separating intelligence from consciousness, consciousness as a biological process like digestion, the question of machine sentience, a critique of Donald Hoffman's interface theory, evidence for veridical perception through mimicry in nature and animals climbing trees, skepticism about brain-in-a-vat and simulation scenarios, minimum viable metaphysics, Thomas Nagel's concept of one thought too many, Jonathan Rauch's constitution of knowledge, the replication crisis in psychology, the breakdown of trust in institutions due to COVID and the noble lie, the problem of scaling laws with followership, moral realism and the survival and flourishing of sentient beings, the principle of interchangeable perspectives, discovering moral values through problem-solving, the evolution of ethics and the expanding moral sphere, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters, by Michael Shermer
 	The Michael Shermer Show
 	Why People Believe Weird Things, by Michael Shermer
 	The Believing Brain, by Michael Shermer
 	Why Darwin Matters, by Michael Shermer
 	The Science of Good and Evil, by Michael Shermer
 	Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational, by Michael Shermer
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt
 	JRS EP 287 - Jonathan Rauch on the Epistemic Crisis

Dr. Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of&nbsp;Skeptic&nbsp;magazine and the host of the podcast&nbsp;The Michael Shermer Show. For 30 years he taught college and university courses in critical thinking, and for 18 years he was a monthly columnist for&nbsp;Scientific American. He is the author of&nbsp;New York Times&nbsp;bestsellers&nbsp;Why People Believe Weird Things&nbsp;and&nbsp;The Believing Brain,&nbsp;Why Darwin Matters,&nbsp;The Science of Good and Evil,&nbsp;The Moral Arc,&nbsp;Heavens on Earth,&nbsp;Giving the Devil His Due, and&nbsp;Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational. His new book is&nbsp;Truth: What it is, How to Find it, Why it Still Matters. Follow him on X&nbsp;@michaelshermer.

EP 331 Worldviews: Michael Shermer

Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about his worldview. They discuss Ben's morning experience of consciousness crystallizing from ambient awareness, his identification as a panpsychic, the concept of pattern being more fundamental than stuff, Charles Peirce's ontology of first/second/third, the idea of uryphysics as a broader notion of physics beyond metaphysics, parapsychology and psi phenomena including remote viewing and Project Stargate, reincarnation-like phenomena and cases from India, experimental design in parapsychology research, the legitimation of both AGI and psi research, the consciousness explosion occurring alongside AI/ASI development, Jeffrey Martin's work on fundamental well-being and persistent nonsymbolic experience, the immense design space of possible minds, human cognitive limitations like seven plus or minus two short-term memory, the single-threaded nature of human consciousness versus potential multi-threaded ASI, scenarios for beneficial superintelligence and options for humans to remain in human form or upload, the question of how long human existence would remain interesting post-singularity, psychedelics as tools for accessing different states of consciousness and insights into mind construction, the absence of shamanic institutions in modern culture, experiences with DMT and heroic doses, holding multiple contradictory perspectives simultaneously, Walt Whitman's notion of containing multitudes, Ben's intuitive sense that consciousness and the basic ground of being are fundamentally joyful and compassionate, arguments for why superintelligence will likely be good based on efficiency of mutually trusting agents, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	The Consciousness Explosion, by Ben Goertzel
 	JRS EP 217 Ben Goertzel on a New Framework for AGI
 	JRS EP 211 Ben Goertzel on Generative AI vs. AGI
 	JRS Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI
 	Evidence for Psi: Thirteen Empirical Research Reports, ed. Damien Broderick & Ben Goertzel

Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.  Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more.

Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about his worldview. They discuss Ben's morning experience of consciousness crystallizing from ambient awareness, his identification as a panpsychic, the concept of pattern being more fundamental than stuff, Charles Peirce's ontology of first/second/third, the idea of uryphysics as a broader notion of physics beyond metaphysics, parapsychology and psi phenomena including remote viewing and Project Stargate, reincarnation-like phenomena and cases from India, experimental design in parapsychology research, the legitimation of both AGI and psi research, the consciousness explosion occurring alongside AI/ASI development, Jeffrey Martin's work on fundamental well-being and persistent nonsymbolic experience, the immense design space of possible minds, human cognitive limitations like seven plus or minus two short-term memory, the single-threaded nature of human consciousness versus potential multi-threaded ASI, scenarios for beneficial superintelligence and options for humans to remain in human form or upload, the question of how long human existence would remain interesting post-singularity, psychedelics as tools for accessing different states of consciousness and insights into mind construction, the absence of shamanic institutions in modern culture, experiences with DMT and heroic doses, holding multiple contradictory perspectives simultaneously, Walt Whitman's notion of containing multitudes, Ben's intuitive sense that consciousness and the basic ground of being are fundamentally joyful and compassionate, arguments for why superintelligence will likely be good based on efficiency of mutually trusting agents, and much more. Episode Transcript The Consciousness Explosion, by Ben Goertzel JRS EP 217 Ben Goertzel on a New Framework for AGI JRS EP 211 Ben Goertzel on Generative AI vs. AGI JRS Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI Evidence for Psi: Thirteen Empirical Research Reports, ed. Damien Broderick & Ben Goertzel Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author. Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more.

Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about his worldview. They discuss Ben's morning experience of consciousness crystallizing from ambient awareness, his identification as a panpsychic, the concept of pattern being more fundamental than stuff, Charles Peirce's ontology of first/second/third, the idea of uryphysics as a broader notion of physics beyond metaphysics, parapsychology and psi phenomena including remote viewing and Project Stargate, reincarnation-like phenomena and cases from India, experimental design in parapsychology research, the legitimation of both AGI and psi research, the consciousness explosion occurring alongside AI/ASI development, Jeffrey Martin's work on fundamental well-being and persistent nonsymbolic experience, the immense design space of possible minds, human cognitive limitations like seven plus or minus two short-term memory, the single-threaded nature of human consciousness versus potential multi-threaded ASI, scenarios for beneficial superintelligence and options for humans to remain in human form or upload, the question of how long human existence would remain interesting post-singularity, psychedelics as tools for accessing different states of consciousness and insights into mind construction, the absence of shamanic institutions in modern culture, experiences with DMT and heroic doses, holding multiple contradictory perspectives simultaneously, Walt Whitman's notion of containing multitudes, Ben's intuitive sense that consciousness and the basic ground of being are fundamentally joyful and compassionate, arguments for why superintelligence will likely be good based on efficiency of mutually trusting agents, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	The Consciousness Explosion, by Ben Goertzel
 	JRS EP 217 Ben Goertzel on a New Framework for AGI
 	JRS EP 211 Ben Goertzel on Generative AI vs. AGI
 	JRS Currents 072: Ben Goertzel on Viable Paths to True AGI
 	Evidence for Psi: Thirteen Empirical Research Reports, ed. Damien Broderick &amp; Ben Goertzel

Dr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.&nbsp; Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more.

EP 330 Worldviews: Ben Goertzel

In the inaugural episode of a new series, Jim talks with David Krakauer about his intellectual formation and worldview. They discuss what woke up as David this morning, his commitments to chance and pattern seeking, his epiphany about the idea of the idea at age 12 or 13, his perverse attraction to the arcane and difficult, evolution as integral to intelligence, the risk-averse character of scholars and the sociology of science, the Santa Fe Institute's attempt to maintain revolutionary science, the Ouroboros concept challenging foundationalism in epistemology, the standard model of physics as foundational versus the view that you can establish foundations anywhere, string theory as a slowly dying pseudoscience, whether beauty is a useful guide in science, emergence and broken symmetries, Phil Anderson's "More is Different" paper, the Wigner reversal and the shift from law to initial conditions, rejecting both weak and strong emergence, effective theories and causally justified concepts, downward causality, micrograining versus coarse graining, the distinction between abiotic and biotic systems, games and puzzles as model systems for complexity, combinatorial solution spaces, heuristics as dimensional reducers and potentially the golden road to AGI, Isaiah Berlin's influence on David's worldview, negative versus positive liberties, value pluralism and historicity, the Fermi paradox and the possibility of alien life, the rational versus the irrational in human life, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	JRS EP 192 - David Krakauer on Science, Complexity and AI
 	JRS EP10 - David Krakauer: Complexity Science
 	The Complex World: An Introduction to the Foundations of Complexity Science, by David Krakauer
 	Worlds Hidden in Plain Sight: The Evolving Idea of Complexity at the Santa Fe Institute, 1984–2019, by David Krakauer
 	History, Big History, & Metahistory, by David Krakauer
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt
 	"More Is Different," by P.W. Anderson
 	The Emergence of Everything, by Harold Morowitz

David Krakauer’s research explores the evolution of intelligence and stupidity on Earth. This includes studying the evolution of genetic, neural, linguistic, social, and cultural mechanisms supporting memory and information processing, and exploring their shared properties. President of the Santa Fe Institute since 2015, he served previously as the founding director of the Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery, the co-director of the Center for Complexity and Collective Computation, and professor of mathematical genetics, all at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

In the inaugural episode of a new series, Jim talks with David Krakauer about his intellectual formation and worldview. They discuss what woke up as David this morning, his commitments to chance and pattern seeking, his epiphany about the idea of the idea at age 12 or 13, his perverse attraction to the arcane and difficult, evolution as integral to intelligence, the risk-averse character of scholars and the sociology of science, the Santa Fe Institute's attempt to maintain revolutionary science, the Ouroboros concept challenging foundationalism in epistemology, the standard model of physics as foundational versus the view that you can establish foundations anywhere, string theory as a slowly dying pseudoscience, whether beauty is a useful guide in science, emergence and broken symmetries, Phil Anderson's "More is Different" paper, the Wigner reversal and the shift from law to initial conditions, rejecting both weak and strong emergence, effective theories and causally justified concepts, downward causality, micrograining versus coarse graining, the distinction between abiotic and biotic systems, games and puzzles as model systems for complexity, combinatorial solution spaces, heuristics as dimensional reducers and potentially the golden road to AGI, Isaiah Berlin's influence on David's worldview, negative versus positive liberties, value pluralism and historicity, the Fermi paradox and the possibility of alien life, the rational versus the irrational in human life, and much more. Episode Transcript JRS EP 192 - David Krakauer on Science, Complexity and AI JRS EP10 - David Krakauer: Complexity Science The Complex World: An Introduction to the Foundations of Complexity Science, by David Krakauer Worlds Hidden in Plain Sight: The Evolving Idea of Complexity at the Santa Fe Institute, 1984–2019, by David Krakauer History, Big History, & Metahistory, by David Krakauer "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt "More Is Different," by P.W. Anderson The Emergence of Everything, by Harold Morowitz David Krakauer’s research explores the evolution of intelligence and stupidity on Earth. This includes studying the evolution of genetic, neural, linguistic, social, and cultural mechanisms supporting memory and information processing, and exploring their shared properties. President of the Santa Fe Institute since 2015, he served previously as the founding director of the Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery, the co-director of the Center for Complexity and Collective Computation, and professor of mathematical genetics, all at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

In the inaugural episode of a new series, Jim talks with David Krakauer about his intellectual formation and worldview. They discuss what woke up as David this morning, his commitments to chance and pattern seeking, his epiphany about the idea of the idea at age 12 or 13, his perverse attraction to the arcane and difficult, evolution as integral to intelligence, the risk-averse character of scholars and the sociology of science, the Santa Fe Institute's attempt to maintain revolutionary science, the Ouroboros concept challenging foundationalism in epistemology, the standard model of physics as foundational versus the view that you can establish foundations anywhere, string theory as a slowly dying pseudoscience, whether beauty is a useful guide in science, emergence and broken symmetries, Phil Anderson's "More is Different" paper, the Wigner reversal and the shift from law to initial conditions, rejecting both weak and strong emergence, effective theories and causally justified concepts, downward causality, micrograining versus coarse graining, the distinction between abiotic and biotic systems, games and puzzles as model systems for complexity, combinatorial solution spaces, heuristics as dimensional reducers and potentially the golden road to AGI, Isaiah Berlin's influence on David's worldview, negative versus positive liberties, value pluralism and historicity, the Fermi paradox and the possibility of alien life, the rational versus the irrational in human life, and much more.

 	Episode Transcript
 	JRS EP 192 - David Krakauer on Science, Complexity and AI
 	JRS EP10 - David Krakauer: Complexity Science
 	The Complex World: An Introduction to the Foundations of Complexity Science, by David Krakauer
 	Worlds Hidden in Plain Sight: The Evolving Idea of Complexity at the Santa Fe Institute, 1984–2019, by David Krakauer
 	History, Big History, &amp; Metahistory, by David Krakauer
 	"A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt
 	"More Is Different," by P.W. Anderson
 	The Emergence of Everything, by Harold Morowitz

David Krakauer’s research explores the evolution of intelligence and stupidity on Earth. This includes studying the evolution of genetic, neural, linguistic, social, and cultural mechanisms supporting memory and information processing, and exploring their shared properties. President of the Santa Fe Institute since 2015, he served previously as the founding director of the Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery, the co-director of the Center for Complexity and Collective Computation, and professor of mathematical genetics, all at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

EP 329 Worldviews: David Krakauer

Jim Rutt interviews Carnegie-Mellon Assistant professor Simon DeDeo. Simon is also affiliated with the Santa Fe Institute and the Cognitive Science program at Indiana University, where he runs the Laboratory for Social Minds. DeDeo and his colleagues combine data from the contemporary world, archives from the deep past, statistical tools from cosmology, and models of human cognition from Bayesian reasoning and information theory to understand how cultures grow, flourish, innovate, and evolve. In this podcast, Jim Rutt and Simon DeDeo discuss the following topics: Introduction to Simon DeDeo, Noise vs. Signal: The Fermi Paradox, Social Media and Blocklists, Remembrances of Murray Gell-Mann, Cultural Evolution, Consciousness and Science Fiction.

EP1 Simon DeDeo – The Evolution of Consciousness

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