In this episode, I ramble and speculate about what the next-generation data architectures look like.

Thanks for Keboola and GoodData for sponsoring this episode.

Keboola: https://www.keboola.com/mcp

GoodData: GoodData.com/resources

Zhamak Dehghani (creator of Data Mesh, CEO of NextData) joins me to chat about what she thinks is next in data - autonomous data products, decentralized data and AI, and much more.

Zhamak is one of the people I most respect in our industry. She's a once-in-a generation phenomenon who will change the trajectory of our industry.

Matthew Scullion (CEO, Co-Founder of Matillion) joins me to chat about the future of data engineering, namely agentic data engineering teams.

What does this new world look like? Matthew shares some ideas of what he's building at Matillion, and the broader context of what agentic AI means for the data ecosystem, teams, and workflows.

Wrapping up the week at Snowflake Summit. As always, the big platform ate away at their partners. If you're a partner, what can you do to shield yourself from platform cannibalization? In this episode, I give some advice from what I've seen in the data ecosystem over the years.

Svetlana Tarnagurskaja (CEO of the Dot Collective) joins me to chat about her entrepreneurial journey in the data space, building a boutique data consultancy, competing with Big Consulting, the challenges of building a team, and the importance of creating a human-centric company culture.

The Dot Collective: https://www.thedotcollective.co.uk

Hannes Mühleisen shows off DuckLake and answers live questions.DuckLake: https://duckdb.org/2025/05/27/ducklake.html

Ash Smith is a data engineer based in Perth, Australia (the most remote city in the world). We chat about data products, interoperability, and the importance of collaboration and incentive structures within data teams.

Regular guest Gordon Wong and I chat about what you should think about if you want to work in data. Spoiler - it's probably not what you think.

Shoutout to GoodData and MonteCarlo for sponsoring this episode.

Imagine writing SQL and getting instant results as you type? Yes, this is reality now. It's amazing!DuckDB/MotherDuck's Instant SQL made a big splash at last month's Data Council. Hamilton Ulmer gives a demo of Instant SQL at the Practical Data Community.----------------------------Instant SQL: https://motherduck.com/blog/introducing-instant-sql/Practical Data Community Discord: https://discord.gg/gNfw5AKWSK

Gaëlle Seret is a data leader based in France. We chat about how she helps large organizations drive change, especially around data architecture and strategy. We dig into her approach to upskilling teams, why data strategy matters, and how to work through the inevitable organizational challenges that come with transformation. We also discuss the AI in learning and work, and some interesting differences in education between USA and France. Enjoy! 🇫🇷